/balding/ and /finasteride/ general - hair is love, hair is life!Sticky: http://tuxbell.com/index.php/BaldingReminder that if you can clearly see down to your scalp when your hair is wet, your hair is thinning, lots of small new hairs sprouting at the hairline or crown is a sign of hair recession.Holy trinity:Tabs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FinasterideLotion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MinoxidilShampoo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KetoconazoleFinasteride/Dutasteride are 5-alpha reductase inhibitors that prevent free T from being converted to DHT, a byproduct of testosterone that serves no purpose after puberty but to choke out your hair follicles and make them thin out and die in a few short years, a condition known as androgenic alopecia.5ar inhibitors prevent your hair from getting any worse, mild regrowth is expected, rapid onset diffuse thinners see a significant recovery on fin alone. Can be taken orally or topically.5ARIs are not dosage dependent, taking as little as as 0.2mg daily fin can reduce serum DHT by 68%, while 5mg reduces by 72%.0.5mg daily dut reduces serum DHT by 95%, but is considered a second line treatment, and can be more expensive and harder to get prescribed. Start with fin.Fin has been used to treat benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH) for 30+ years, it's very well studied and is tolerated well in almost all men, however, there's a 1-2% risk of erectile issues in controlled studies.These can be avoided by reducing dosage, spacing out dosage, or stopping the drug. Fin takes days to fully bio-accumulate, the half life of fin is about 8 hours, adverse effects occuring within minutes of starting fin or persisting long after stopping fin are not real and have no basis in reality. Please note that dut has a much higher half-life of 5 weeks, if you're prone to fin sides, dut may cause them for far longer.Refer to https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3481923/ before responding to PFS trolls.(continued on next post)
Minoxidil (liquid and tabs) is a vasodialator that opens potassium channels and widens blood vessels bringing nutrients to your hair follicles, stimulating them into thickening, accelerating growth and elongating the growth phase. Min is taken with fin to restore your hair to it's original hairline, thickness and vigor when hair loss is caught early enough, (pre-NW2). Can be taken orally or topically.Topical min does not work in 1/3 of men because they lack the required enzymes in their scalp, all men have this enzyme in their liver so the oral route is a good fallback.The FDA formulation for 5% liquid minoxidil is food safe (vape juice, ethanol and water) and can be safely taken orally if oral min tabs are expensive or rarely prescribed where you live. As a general rule, ~4 drops (0.1ml) = 5mg minoxidil.There's a 1-2% risk of fluid retention with higher oral dosages, start with the lowest dosage possible and work your way up when you're sure it's well tolerated.Ketoconazole is an anti-androgen and antifungal that inhibits DHT on the scalp and used to treat fungal infections of the scalp that may be making your hair loss worse such as seborrheic dermatitis, a condition where you exhibit severe greasy, flaky large dandruff flakes with dried yellow crystals (blood plasma) embedded in the scalp. Some people may only have traction alopecia (hair loss from scratching or friction), but it will not cure androgenic alopecia on it's own. Can only be taken topically.Do not use spirolactone. Spirolactone is a diuretic which, in large doses, inhibits testosterone and, by extension, DHT.It is regularly prescribed as an anti-androgen for male to female HRT, and thus, comes with an astronomically higher risk of sexual side effects in men including ED, gynecomastia, and can cause potassium toxicity.Previous thread: >>18542218
>hair feels thicker and healthier after 4 months on dut+min than it did nearly 2 years on fin+minSome men have way too much DHT for their own good, dut should be a first line treatment, period.
>literally every magical dut rebound on r/tressless is met with disbelief and accusations of trollingdude even posted a video to prove it wasn't fakehttps://www.reddit.com/r/tressless/comments/1o0p08z/200_days_on_dut_min_what_do_you_think/
>>18557168i thought it was recently shown that dutasteride does have long term effects on sperm mobility
>>18557175it doesenjoy your broken ballsthis is the way:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yehk_h_Uj6k
Use spirolactone. Spirolactone is a diuretic which, in large doses, inhibits DHT.It is regularly prescribed as an anti-estrogen for female to male HRT, and thus, comes with an astronomically lower risk of sexual side effects in men.I’ve been on spiro for a few months now and the results are nothing short of legendary. Spiro is the ultimate anabolic tonic that sends test levels skyrocketing. I have >thicker, fuller hair: my temples which had been thinning are filling back in rapidly>facial hair renaissance: patchy beards are a thing of the past. Spiro turbo-charges follicle activity The science is settled: spiro cranks up test production and unleashes it directly at the follicular level. Dermatologists call it “anabolic follicular supercharging.”If you’re ready to stop playing with bullshit like minoxidil and want to grow a mane worthy of a Norse god, you need to buy spiro. Just don’t forget to get a bigger comb.
>>18557207Post your hairline you osteoporosisized cuckwad.
>>18557207stop spamming my picsi regrew my hair with massages and vitamins not medicine. full diffuse thinning recovery without fin without dut without spiro or any other pharma meds.botox is proven to cure hair loss (pic) without taking castration drugs for your entire life. this means that hair loss is primarily caused by scalp tension and inflammation. minimizing both with lifestyle, diet and nutrition changes and regular scalp massages or even botox injections can have amazing results.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yehk_h_Uj6k
>>18557268i don't take spiro or any hair loss drugs. its a kike shill trying to talk you into going on castration meds.the studies on botox and hair regrowth in the last decade prove that you do not need to take tranny drugs or minoxidil to get your hair back.
>>18557274Tell me about Botox for hair regeneration.
>>18557277watch the video i linked. there's multiple theories as to the exact mechanism of hair loss and recent studies are starting to show that the current dominant theory and the way we treat hair loss with drugs instead of holistically is not the best answer. the dominant theory until recent has been that low oxygen environments in the scalp favor conversion of free testosterone to dht. however there's a lot of research that's also showing it could be inflammation caused by scalp tension that causes oversensitivity/production to dht, and clinical studies are starting to find that if you inject botox into the scalp to relieve tension it regrows hair pretty dramatically. if botox works it also means massages probably work the same as long as you're consistent with them.its good to be aware of this stuff because- you might not need fin/dut/min if you catch things early enough- if you're on fin/dut/min you can get even better results by hairmaxxing in combination- these things work on people who have different kinds of hair loss than male pattern baldness who fin/dut won't work on- no side effects- no lifetime subscription to big pharmathese two videos are good:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yehk_h_Uj6kthis one i only agree with maybe 70% of, there's some quackery/speculation but a lot of it's just common sense. this covers a lot of the things you can do to min/max hair regrowth or reduce your chances of balding:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBG0EfoQTrcit'll at least get you on the right track of taking a holistic approach to regrowing your hair, meds or not. alsoDO NOT sleep on a synthetic filled/cased pillow. buy silk or cotton pillowcases. wash daily.i also think everyone with hair loss should do a water only fast for 3-7 days once to twice a year, or a 1-2 day dry fast every once in a while. two things are proven to reduce and even _reverse_ fibrosis: fasting, and scalp massages.you can even get 'scarred' follicles back sometimes.
>>18557277if you want to get good natural results you have to do everything. fix all nutrient/mineral deficiencies. zinc iodine copper selenium silicone iron and sulfur especially. get enough sunlight or get on vit d and k2 mk-7. don't sleep on a plastic pillow. don't sleep on a dirty pillow. get shampoo with minimal ingredients and not overly strong cleansers or make your own. nopoo or lesspoo works for some people. get rid of sources of inflammation in your diet, for instance if you drink homogenized cheap milk switch to the hippie cream top glass bottle shit. stop eating seed oils. etc etc. that's just the very tip of the iceberg.take better care of yourself and your hair will come back.i was 90% diffuse thinned on the whole side of my head and now i look like a norse god like the jew shill said, without any meds.
>>18557207Spiro saved my hairline.
>>18557303>orange hair>blonde hairnot even the same person. try harder jew shill.
>>18557303go away shill
>>18557141how can tell whether I suffer from diffuse thinning with long hair?
>>18557419you'll see you lost density just like with any other hair length, lol?
>>18557429but that means I'd need a before/after photo.OP says that seeing your scalp with wet hair is an indicator you're thinning, but long hair you'd have multiple layers disguising the thinning
>>18557419by how often you need to unclog your shower drain
>>18557460uh, you lose about a hundred hairs a day without balding already. I (and all non-disgusting women) unclog the shower drain after every shower
It's blackpilling seeing a guy use just fin and grow back two Norwood stages in 6 months. Meanwhile I've been on dut, 5 mg oral min, RU and ket for 2+ years and I've regrown zero hair. I've looked at some of the upcoming treatments and they all have an effect equal to or lower than fin, so I've got nothing to look forward to.
Just turned 33 years old and I was outside and felt a little draft on my crown that I never felt before. I went home and looked in the mirror with a makeup compact and sure enough, I've lost like half my crown and could see scalp a bit. I actually cried for 10 minutes. I am only 33 and barely starting to get my life together while everyone else is buying houses and getting married, I still post on 4chan 3 hours a day. I am not ready to be an unc when I've only had 2 girlfriends before. Tell me what to do. Tell me how to fix this. I have got no time left and life just keeps shitting on me bros. :(
>>18557303>>18557303lmfao norwood5 cuck it saved nothing
>>18557496you're going to learn the hard way that the pharma jew just wants to sell you a lifetime subscription to pills. have you tried to improve your health in any other way? >>18557529indian shill. burn in hell jeet.
>>18557559>have you tried to improve your health in any other way? I've seen homeless drug addicts in their 50s with perfect hairlines and Olympic athletes in their 20s with thinning hair. Androgenic alopecia has nothing to do with general health.
>>18557617homeless drug addicts get a ton of sunlight and eat less food and get a lot more exercise than you. you're balding and just taking the pills and trusting the plan isn't working.
>>18557631stop posting my pics and shilling spiro, sadeep. thank you!
we don't care
>>18557642stop shilling spiro with my pics ranjesh. you are not a doctor, you need to stop roleplaying as one in the balding thread.
>>18557659Spiro saved my hairline althoughbeit
>>18557674Thoughts on my hairline? Saved it with spiro. Ignore my ftm physique, I recently transitioned.
>>18557688janny pls
>>18557714>dickless>tiny narrow shoulders>feminine face>chud jaw>smooth philtrum>thin upper lip>misshapen smile>beady, soulless eyesftm transsexual, mom drank when pregnant.
How will American Norwoodbros cope when he bans Finasteride & Dutasteride?>B-b-but Trump is on fin! They won't ban it!Rules for thee, not for me!Tick tock, baldcels.
>>18557685we don't give a shit about you either
>>18557141>be balding>take min>take fin>do microneedling>get turkish transplants>rub indian cow shit on your head>have a voodoo priestess exorcise your scalp>buy into the "forbidden health" poster and follow his advice and drink bleach>do everything and anything to restore and maintain your hair>still have a stupid short normie haircut where it literally doesn't matter if you're balding or not.fellas why are you like this? why not grow it out?
>>18557719I would kill you in a single strike albeit.
>>18557797Ok and?
its feminine behavior to worry about balding. when have men ever worried about this except in modern era?
>>18557808practically every ancient civilization has records of not just women but also men wearing wigs.Granted most of it was due to shit hygiene so they would shave their heads and wear a wig on top, but if you're talking about the "modern" revival of men in the Western world wearing wigs to cover up their baldness - it goes back to King Louis XIII in 1624 when he he was a balding 23 year old and setting the trend from there.There was like 200 years of men in France and England and even America just walking around with giant white wigs and fake ponytails.
>>18557808back then you would just get an arranged marriage with your neighbor when you were in your teens or you could just rape a woman. right now if a man has no hair it's fvcking over
>>18557821>please to doe the needful of arrange marriage of I will redeem the rapebrappesh, please
>>18557822>oh noooo you said the R word!!! you must be a jeet!reddit is right over there bro
>>18557162>>18557168dut is literally a miracle drugused to shed nearly 500 hairs each week when washing it with shampoo and conditionernow? just about 20-30 per weekmy hair density has also gotten better after about a year of 2.5 mg duti was diffuse thinning btwand yeah, it's expensive af
Hey boys! I'm not bald yet but I'm 23 now and have started losing hair at a fast rate. I've also recently become single and I've realized that if I go bald before I get married my life is over basically.I've heard about finasteride, looksmaxing incels on various websites have shilled it to me. Can you spoonfeed me with anecdotes on your routine? How to buy it, take it, when, etc?Thank you kindly
Thoughts on topical Dut, Pyrilutamide, or RU? Oral fin seems to mess with my erections (could be psychosomatic) and also seems to kill my motivation and overall mood (didn’t know this was a side effect, so it can’t be psychosomatic since I wasn’t anticipating it)Any other options? Trying to get into pp405 study, but who knows those odds haha. I’ve heard oral Dut has fewer sides than oral Fin for some people, but idk how that could work. Saw Palmetto is also an option, it’s supposed to at least freeze progression, even if it’s mostly too weak for re-growth. Or do I just rock it out for a bit longer and then get a wig?
>>18557855I got my fin prescription online through walgreens. $33 for the "appointment" which was a questionnaire and sending in three pictures of my hair (thinning and receding was obvious). I could have asked for topical fin if I wanted but I was fine with pills. Then a three month supply was like $30 no insurance.The whole thing took an hour for the appointment and a couple hours to fill the prescription down the road. I procrastinated on this shit for almost a full year.I specifically didn't use hims or any of that bullshit because their data use policies were shit. Walgreens was acceptable and as far as I can tell they haven't sold my info (I still used my burner phone for it).Minoxidil 5% I get from walmart about $25 for a three month supply.
Do hairlines mature via miniaturization?
>>18557855Look up on google how to get prescribed it in your country. Most countries will have online options where you never need to visit a doctor in person. Best way to take it is orally, 5mg pills split into quarters will be the absolute cheapest legit way depending on how your country handles prescriptions otherwise go with the cheapest off brand 1mg pill as they are all the same. You would be taking it once a day every day for as long as you want to keep your hair. As long as you are not living in western europe the process is very simple.
>>18557996how else?
>>18557998>Most countries will have online options where you never need to visit a doctor in person.literally only the anglosphere
>>18558073Looking at posts online most say that hairlines mature without miniaturization and that miniaturization on the hairline is the first step towards mpb
>>18558075false, third worlders have copied that business model already because it just werks, no one wants to depend on some tard doctor to prescribe you the thing you need, people just want to send a picture that shows they're balding and get the fin prescription
>>18558076Mature hairlines are just mpb that appears rapidly and then halts around NW2, basically some people's temples are significantly more sensitive to DHT than the rest of their hair.My maternal grandpa and I went NW2 at <20 (with my younger brother nearly NW2 at 21) and I've had minimal further recession up to 27... I don't think it can be anything other than miniaturization.>>18558121the Anglosphere and the EU are the only relevant countries on the internet1000000000 jeets and brapzilians can suck my fat uncut cock
>>18558075Europe hates finasteride and everything related to male cosmetics. I think they want people to be bald and unhappy. It's actually a lot more accessible and encouraged in Asia than the anglosphere bar the US
>>18557507post crown so we can see what we are working with.bottom line though, if you want the hair loss to stop, get on finasteride, otherwise no matter what you do, it will only get worse. after you are on finasteride for a while, you can gauge if a hair transplant is an option for you. you might be fine with an appropriate hairstyle and using hair fibers.I wouldn't get on minoxidil unless u absolutely have to. you will basically have to be on it for life.
why arent you guys shilling dutasteride?
>>18558436I try to, the only realistic route for a legit prescription in the US is Dr.B and cost plus, $132/year after shipping and consults.Some countries won't prescribe it to you at all and some countries will confiscate them if you just gray market them from India.
>stevia increased effectiveness of min in miceInfo is brand new. Does rubbing stevia on your head have any potential negative sides? I assume nobody has tried this yet but I'm about to buy a shitload of stevia. Im min only and progress is really slow.
does rice water + red onion work?
>>18558849dont do onions trust me it's absolutely horrible. your hair will smell like it for a month and it will be strong enough that you will be able to smell it non-stop by proximity and so well everybody else. if you sweat it or shower again it will reactivate the oils and your eyes will burn even weeks after.
Been on min for 1 month and finally noticed my hair shedding, so I guess it's working.
SMP is so underrated for diffuse baldingIf you combine it with a hair transplant the results can be unreal. Look at this guy he didn't even get an HT but the results are significant.
>>18559020That clearly isn't the same head/hair.
>>18558995I started fin and min at the same time and noticed shedding at one week. Are you min only?
>>18559020spirals going opposite ways
Does anyone use min to grow a beard. I'm sick of my thin patchy facial hair. I was getting some gains in the first few months but seems to be plateaued. I started derma rolling too.
>>18559076yeah and it helps but I've always had a good beard... now I actually have reverse patchy beard where I have to thin it out in spots because it's too thick
>>18557141I'm 45, I started balding when I was in HS, been shaving my head for 25 years now.... thank the gods I look decent with a bald head
10 ish weeks at caloric surplus, shedding has 100% stopped and patches seem to be filling in.I'm saved for now, it definitely was Telogen Effluvium, but MPB will raise its head eventually looking at my family tree.But I probably get a decade, and by then I can use cloned DHT resistant hairs and not have to take DHT blockers.
>>18559333/thinspo/ wants to know how low your calorie intake has to be to start losing your hair, did you simply not eat anything for weeks?
>>18559365Between 1500-2000 calorie deficit a day.Neet who did 3-5 hours of cardio everyday on 1500 cals.
>>18559391Also maintained this extreme deficit for around 8 months.Went from barely class 3 obese to normal weight, I'm currently a few pounds overweight tho from going to surplus for my hair. No loose skin because good skincare routine and good skin genetics.
>>18559029>>18559066same person lol, and same spiralhttps://www.instagram.com/p/DAQ94i_xVdm/?img_index=3
>>18559399I fasted the same way but I ate normally 1-2 days a week so I never experienced telogen effluvium.
>hair follicles have estrogen receptors that elongate the anagen phase and massively amp up growth>every mtf comes out the other end with a full head of hair even if they were approaching NW5 beforebeing male is suffering
>>18559505His DHT levels are 0 with fin and HRT + diffuse thinning recovery standards. It's impressive but totally doable without going off the deep end.
>>18559505This needs further research and testing. Why doesn't every men's shampoo have estrogen added to it? Can estrogen even be applied topically?
>>18559505has anyone tried spironolactone mesotherapy?might actually do something without trooning you out
>>18559733If it’s in a pill form I don’t see why someone can’t turn it into a paste or ointment. Maybe inject it into the scalp.
>>18557141I'm not balding but I'm way too lazy to take care of my hair so I became a skinhead and never looked back.I don't trust (((shampoo))) so when I shower, I just rinse my head with water. I like it so far. It's a peaceful life.
>>18559733I know there's topical T some MtFs use to prevent penile atrophy and retain secual function. Dunno if there's topical E tho.
>>18559771if you're bald/shaved all you need is conditioner like 2x/week and a clarifying shampoo like once a month and nothing else
>>18559803What happens if I only use water?
I still have a full head of hair but I started finasteride/minoxidil because my dad went bald. I read a reddit thread (I know) and they were all saying they wished they started earlier. I have no side effects but it is kinda expensive bros. Been on it about a year. Do you guys have a cheaper source I could consider?
>>18559781there is>>18559840don't start minoxidil if you have no hair loss, you're simply wasting money
Just realized people think fin works better on vertex than hairline because of different standards for what is considered bad hair loss depending on the area. Thinning on the vertex is considered worse than slight hairline recession because it cosmetically looks worse, but any amount of recession is objectively more advanced balding because the recessed area is slick bald rather than just thin. If you track places around your hairline that are still just thinning rather than fully recessed, I bet you'll get the same fin results there as with a thinning vertex.
What does it mean when I'm diffuse thinning on my head and armpits/pubic hair?
>>18558158>uncut cockfalse again, look at the circumcision statistics, insane delusion lmao
>>18559955the prevalence of circumcision where I'm from is 1.3%, I don't understand what you're getting at
>>18559936Autoimmune condition possibly even in conjunction with male pattern baldness
>>18557141Why does every general have a resident schizo who aggressively ruins every discussion?
>>18560539youre on 4chan retard, what did you expect? le wholesome comfy :3 talk about balding????
Hey guys i'm 31 and i've been NW2 diffuse thinning for about 2 years. It happened overnight due to emotional stress but since then it has been completely stable. I use hair fibers where my hair parts to disguise it a bit. I don't get any shedding. I haven't started taking finasteride because i'd really rather avoid it if I can. I don't want to risk a shed when i'm not losing any hair currently and can manage with fibers.
>>18560383My sides aren't receding I'm just losing hair all over my head, the sides, back, and top.
>>18560719You need to see a doctor ASAP. The hair loss is only a symptom of what could be a potentially dangerous disease
>>18560622Stress can temporarily accelerate mpb, but the fact that it stabilized doesn't mean you're good, far from it. You'll continue balding, albeit at a slower pace. That makes it all the more insidious. One way you'll wake up, see through the cope and realize the frog has been boiled. In any case, the fact that you're already using fibers means that you're quite far along. Now's the time to decide if you want to get on the meds or not. The later you start, the less you can salvage and the more you'll pay for treatment. Btw I think both choices have pros and cons, it's just that the pros of finasteride diminish the longer you put it off. On a longer timescale, the decision not to use finasteride now might as well be the decision not to use it at all. You don't want to be the guy who starts using it to maintain a nw4 lol.
I lost some hair a couple of months due to medication after a surgery, they are growing back now, it feels goodOk thats all.
>>18560746Thanks that's a reasonable response, didn't expect that on 4chan. I just don't want to be on it for long enough to get a shed but not long enough to get results if I can't tolerate the sides. Right now i'm thinking if I see any sign of it worsening i'll hop on immediately. I only need hair up to early-mid 40s, after that i'll either have a wife and kids and it won't matter, or i'll be a forever alone incel and it won't matter. Are you on a 5AR inhibitor?
>>18560750nta but when signs of it worsening become apparent you have already done significantly more damage which may not ever fill back in
>>185607501mg topical fin daily. Very modest gains but no shed or sides aside from some initial testicular discomfort (disclaimer: that I know of, so far). Honestly idk much about shedding on fin. If I were you, I'd look into whether it can lead to permanent thinning unless you stay on it until it regrows or if it regrows even if you stop using fin.
>>18560750To add to the previous anon, Finasteride side effects disappear once you quit the drug very quickly.Also, sheds are normal, hair follicles have a cycle of growth and shed, that's part of it, the problem with male pattern baldness is that each cycle the follicles get minutiarized, to the point that they can't go back to their normal size, that's what DHT does, in fact, with Finasteride you get a shed very soon because it accelerates this process, once they grow back they grow stronger.It is a lifelong commitment or for as long as you want hair. If you want more info check out Hair Cafe on youtube, he saved my hair ;)
What product can i use to style my medium long hair? I use water cause hairloss but the friction makes the hair fall even more. Need something more oily that wont make my hair fall
Balding is not fashionable. Please kys baldlets.
>>18560719Sounds like a thyroid disorder >>18560747Sounds like you had telogen effluvium, did you take anything to make it grow back faster? Vitamins, rosemary oil, horsetail, etc.?
>>18560881not true
>>18559505hence why the anti-spiro schizo shill is a retard. literally just take spiro for a year, get your hair back then jump off. it's that simple ffs
>>18560940Yes, the doctor told me i have nothing to worry about and that it will grow back, so i only used rosemary oil, but i used it before my surgery aswell, i dont know if it helped and if, how much. I have long hair so i can see the short ones all over my head growing back, especially while tying them together.
super bummed. im on finasteride for 3 years, just went to get my haircut. got a really nice one too, everything looked good then he handed me the mirror to see my crown and idk if its the hairstyle but it looked so thin. there is still hair there it is just thin and bunches up with nearby curls so it exposes my scalp.
>>18561293get on dutasteride
I’m about a couple months in with fin/min (1mg/3mg tablet), libido has dropped noticeably. Should I be concerned?
What does low libedo mean?Like you can't get a boner anymore, you don't find women attractive anymore?Or you just never get aroused?
>>18557808"calvo turpius est nihil comato"the combover dates back at least to roman times
>>18561293Did you have this bald spot prior to taking finasteride? It could just be a shed which is not out of the ordinary even 3 years on.
>>18561419yeah i did. it could be. i also have the habit of running my hands through my hair to push the hair over on my thinning spot, which im sure leads to more hair loss too. I've also been putting on a quite a bit of muscle, i imagine my testosterone is higher than usual, and it was already remarkably high before even taking finasteride, so that might be making things worse also.
On month 4 of Finasteride. I won't jynx it, but I think the shedding has started to slow. I wonder if it can be anything other than the Finasteride. I cut down on coffee last month. Switched shampoos from one that is being sued for causing hair loss in July (used it around the time this started). I guess there is no loss in just continuing to take Finasteride either way. I wonder a lot about the shampoo though.
>>18561439Its just a seasonal shed i am 99% sure. Finasteride doesn't lose efficacy.
>>18560746Do you really not get any regrowth from 5ar? I’ve kinda got the Woody Harrelson NBK hairline where it’s NW3 but with thin patches starting up.I don’t mind the widows peak, but I’d really like those thinned areas to come back. I still have baby hairs almost down to where my 19 year old hairline was, so the follicles aren’t dead, they’re just really miniatureGonna do topical dut or something, I’ve had not-so-great experiences with orals on a couple of occasions, although no permanent issues.
>>18561795>>Do you really not get any regrowth from 5ar?Most people do get some as far as I know, even if minimal. the earlier you start treatment the more likely you're to regrow hair.>>Gonna do topical dut or something, I’ve had not-so-great experiences with orals on a couple of occasions, although no permanent issues.Regular dutasteride isn't absorbed well through the skin because of the 500 Dalton rule, the molecule is too large.Permanent issues with 5ar inhibitors do not exist so do not worry about those. You should try a lower dose or/and frequency of dutasteride instead of giving it up entirely as it's efficacy is too great to pass on.
>>18561795you need to try it otherwise it's just getting less likely to recover the longer you put it off. if you didn't get regrowth from fin after a year then you are better off adding min (oral ideally) than you are switching to dut. these are life long medications don't expect results next week.
>>18562105Not worried about permanent issues at this point, more concerned about finding a regimen that I can tolerate while I’m on it. Oral fin gives me very abrupt onset issues with arousal response, mental drive and depression symptoms, pelvic muscle discomfort and erection quality, and watery cum. Some of those things are likely psychological, but the cum thing really can’t be, and I hadn’t realized that it was known to cause issues with depression/motivation, so I don’t think that’s something I thought my way into. Disappointing to hear that topical dut doesn’t work well, I’d heard that the molecule size was beneficial because it kept the compound localized in the tissue rather than floating around in your other body areas or crossing the blood-brain barrier. Maybe I’ll try RU or pyrilutamide as a stop-gap measure and also look into treating my depression issues. Ive been on and off Wellbutrin for a while, seems like it sometimes helps some of my social and mood issues, and sometimes it just makes my anxiety way worse.
>>18561293I'm sorta in your shoes rn.2 years on fin and never looked back there, kind of scared to look actually. My frontal hairline drastically improved in terms of density though so that's a relief. But my crown still feels less thick to the touch when I run my fingers through it than nearby areas of the scalp so I just keep my hair on top longer and slick it back to hide any imperfections, and I'm terrified of cutting it short even though I really want to get a fresh cut, I'm just deathly scared of it not being thick and dense enough to look good short. God I wish my hair loss was just at the temples, bald spots are so gross looking
>>18557930you're saying you can just go to walgreens and not a doctor to get prescribed fin? how the fuck does that work
>>18563707some walgreens have cash only clinics for uninsured poors
does the erectile disfunction that comes with some of these medicines actually due to the medicine severing your connection to your dick or is it all psychological
Is a maturing hairline a real thing or a cope? I just noticed my corners have started to recede.
>>18563723It's completely psychological.The incidence rate for ED in finasteride trials was 2% which matched up with the ED incidence rate in the control group.
>>18563724Hair loss is hair loss, it's only a "maturing" hairline if the hair loss just suddenly stops at the temples, but it hardly ever does.
>>18563723Mostly psych. In a few cases, if you are suffering from e.g. sedentary lifestyle, being overweight, it might tip you into ED territory, but then the first remedy you should try is obvious
In the exact middle of month 4, how do I know if I've stopped shedding or if I'm being clinically retarded?I do not get as many hairs anymore and the ones that do shed are thin. I used to shed a lot of telogen hairs just last week. Now, I pull occasionally and I get occasional thing long strands. Often in the crown/temple.I used to get 90 telogen hairs in 5 minutes before. I'm scared right now, guys.
Almost 7 months on fin, and less than a month on oral min and I think I'm starting to see a bit of improvement. The diffuse thinning just doesn't seem so bad.
>>18557141hims chewables any good?
>>18563945you never ever really stop shedding. maybe it slowed down but itll be back.
>>18564037I'm like 2 years in and I still get twice annual noticable sheds.
>>18563945lol literally over
So I went to the doctor, complained about my symptoms, got my blood checked. Turns out, I have hypothyroidism, but, how do I know if the hair shedding is being caused by the thyroid disorder, or by DHT? Or better yet, how do I know if I don't have both thyroid and DHT hair loss? My temples aren't receding but I have been diffuse thinning. Help me hair loss experts.
>>18564339Only a dermatologist can tell you for certain. If you are a man and worried about balding you should be on a prevention dose of fin anyway so this doesn't happen.
>36 yo>front thinning probably before I even noticed>take a haircut 3 years ago>scalp is visible>front is clearly thinning>start taking some vitamins and other suplements>no results>after a while start taking topical minoxidil and dutasteride>move to oral minoxidil 6 months later>hair stills falling>absolutely now growth>stopped taking everything like two months agoI give up. The stress I'm getting over this is probably worse than being bald. I'm not even going to shave, I'm just going to get an electric shaver and use on on my face and head and simply stop caring.
>>18564680Its not possible to go bald while on dutasteride. Both of those medications cause several shedding phases where your hair gets absolutely blasted. You don't quit at this phase. I'm sorry but I don't think you were properly informed and you need to restart while waiting at least a year for improvements. Otherwise its not male pattern baldness.
>>18564722Your hair doesn't get "absolutely blasted" but you might see 10-25% of your hair volume go depending on how norwooded you are.
>>18564722I took this for over a year, and my hair wasn't "blased", I kept losing hair at more or less the same pace.>Otherwise its not male pattern baldness.That's what I suspect. Mabye stress or some other thing.
>>18564737Lol I went to a NW5 diffuse from a NW2 during the shedding phase. 25% density is fucking huge.
https://old.reddit.com/r/tressless/comments/1o78zti/pelage_pharmaceuticals_has_secured_120_million_in/company behind pp405 secured $120 million for phase 3 trials
>>18564922It'll be nice if I can go back to a NW1 without flying to Turkey or spending 21k in NYC.
>>18564339I got prescribed glycopyrrolate for my hypothyroidism recently. Also suffering from hair thinning on the crown. Weirdly enough, My hair looks somewhat fuller now? But I'm also using min and taking nutrafol. Not sure if the glycopyrrolate is doing anything for my hair
>>18564980lmao oh sorry I thought you said Hyperhidrosis, my bad
I have a bald spot in the left side of area 1 of pic rel. It was kind of self inflicted (accidentally). It's where my parting separates and it sort of got pulled out over a long time of me brushing furiously (Trichotillomania). It happened about 4 months ago. I have some fine hairs there still, but it is all uneven and the way my parting falls is weird now.I've been massaging it, using caffeine shampoo, as well as rosemary oil to try and stimulate growth. I contemplated using 5% minoxidil, but I've read it would causes what's left to fall out before regrowing. I don't know if there has been regrowth yet. Should I book with a dermatologist and see what they can do or just keep treating myself and see what happens?
This is what the reaper took from me. From us.
>>18564922shiet, looks like 2030 is actually going to be the decade of the baldingcels>>18565088my hair would be exactly a dark version of that if it wasn't for the fucking reaper
It's been 2 months on oral min, my hair has stopped shedding but my hairline isn't growing back and now I have to shave every other day
On my fifth month of fin. Have noticed essentially nothing. My sexpenis still works. No gyno (but I am paranoid about that LOL). My hair hasn’t gotten worse. Honestly I can live with my hairline (approximately Norwood 3) but I’d really like to get some thickness back on top. Here’s hoping.
>>18564922So is pp405 any different from finasteride, or will nothing really change?
Hot take incoming.99.999998% of all the before and after pics of [insert your pick of hairloss drug here] are just a before pic with their hair short so that thinning is obvious, and the after which with their hair much more grown out and styled in a more flattering way to hide the thinning
>>18565374No, you can clearly see new growth even it they have longer hair in the after pics.
>>18565348More like the new minoxidil but significantly better. I believe it will be used like this for the majority: Use PP405 to restore density. When the density is restored and you are pleased with whatever it is capable of you hop on fin to maintain as it will be cheaper. If it works as speculated it's like a cheat code to go back to the optimal stage to start fin so you're a NW1-2 instead of maintaining a NW3-4.
>>18565518It could go as far as making you a NW0 or not be all that more effective than minoxidil, likely though somewhere in between as we simply don't have the data yet. My post is leaning on the ideal outcome of continue trials.
>>18561418Deep cut, man
>>18565433He’s right. Also, minoxidil foam is basically mousse.That’s not to say remedies don’t work, but there’s also a lot of bullshit photos. Biggest clue is if it’s a Jeet scalp.
Why doesn't someone go to the Amazon rain forest and ask natives if there's a cure for baldness because I bet they would know since they are surrounded by all types of natural holistic remedies still undiscovered by the rest of the world
>>18565374there are plenty of pics where the hair is at the same length, also you can't fake temple regrowth, you can only fake diffuse
>>18565720I bet they practice eugenics or cope with silly haircuts
>>18565542Why do people think minoxidil foam works?It literally gets wicked up the hair shaft into your hair and away from the scalp.Meanwhile the oral route regrows your temples.
>>18565881are you stupid or dumb?
>>1856473725% would take me from the Matthew Mconaughey mugshot to Larry David lmao>>18562244I was on a super low dose, trying to duck side effects. 0.5mg EOD, if I remember rightI didn’t see regrowth, but it did pause my loss - I know because I quit and had a big shed six months later. Still can’t tell if it was making my depression worse, it definitely seemed to be fucking with sleep and morning wood. Think I’m gonna try topical for the peace of mind, the add in oral min and supplements/peppermint/etc. My scalp is frequently kinda red and irritated, so I’m using keto shampoo again and seeing if that’ll help. Problem is that it’s honestly bad enough now that idk if I even care. Like, pausing it here is still gonna look kinda ass. Although I said that back when I was 24 and just a NW2, and I wish I was a NW 2 today :( Granted, I was a solid responder when I used minox for like six months 3ish years ago. Dropped it because I have pets and don’t want to put them in danger, and people weren’t talking about topical yet. Goal combo is probably topical fin, dut, or RU, maybe oral minox, and maybe a topical stack of cetirizine, essential oils, etc. Maybe pyrilutamide?If that doesn’t go, I guess I’ll either get a hair system or just rock it out. I think I look better with hair, but I’m tall and have cheekbones, so it is what it is.
>>18562244Biggest Q at this point is if it’s bad enough that I should just buzz it down while I see if treatment works, especially with the fin shed being a possibility Might try and get into the PP405 study, depends on how soon they’re starting P3
>>18565876They've never introduced the balding genetics into their gene pool due to being so isolated. Pure blood native americans are the same way. Probably originated somewhere in the near east.
>DUDE DHT DOES NOTHING AFTER PUBERTY YOU NEED TO NUKE THAT SHIT RIGHT NOW BEFORE YOU LOSE MORE HAIR>DUDE NO DHT IS NECESSARY FOR YOUR DICK AND MUSCLES YOU'LL LOSE YOUR DICK IF YOU TAKE DUTwhat should I listen to? my hairline has started receding and i'm only on min
>>18565374Go to /r/tressless and see results for yourself. Or keep being a retard and irreversibley losing hair.
>>18566178those dudes are on masculinizing HRT
>>18565909You could get by with oral min for a while if you're hair loss isn't super aggressive if for whatever reason you can't tolerate a 5ar inhib. Its a gamble but essentially you would be holding out for pp405 and just cycling it for life.
I got prescribed 2% ketoconazole shampoo. It reduces inflammation and DHT on the scalp. In clinical studies, patients saw their hair grow back after using it on the scalp 2-3x a week.
>>18566178Muscles matter very little if you don't have hair
>>18566492The 'zole did help me 10 years ago, I had some hardcore dandruff with big scales and blood all over my head, my hair started collapsing I was shedding like crazy, after getting on 'zole and then head and shoulders it disappeared completely. I'm 33 now and my hairline and density have barely changed
>>18566503i believe my hair loss was mainly due to scalp dermatitis rather than being due to genetics so I have high hopes once the inflammation goes down on my scalp, my hair follicles will have a chance to breathe and grow again
>>18566492>>18566503>>18566506growing up i had pretty bad dandruff until i was around 16 or so but my hair thinned on my sides and forehead pretty poorly. im 25 now and rarely see dry skin fall from my scalp but do you think ketoconazole shampoo would help with regrowth?
>>18566508It reduces inflammation and DHT on the scalp. You should 100% try it. I got it prescribed to me via Teledoc which is an app that lets you have virtual appointments with doctors. Took 3 minutes to have the RX strength version prescribed to me.
>>18566506>>18566508my dermatitis/flaking stopped once I started shaving/buzzing. It’s really as simple as no long hair = no oil build up. Otherwise do the keto shampoo.
>>18566178dht isnt that big of a deal for muscles. desu i felt more of an effect on my mental health than libido or physical.nuking DHT increased my anxiety and makes me feel more neurotic.
I-i think the shedding has stopped... I was very disillusioned. I've lost 80% of my hair since 2023, suddenly, at age 33.I hopped on Finasteride on June 1st. I never stopped shedding.On month 4 now and after 2,5 years of chronically shedding, I think it might have stopped. Pulling my crown gives me no strands... I'm scared guys... I don't want to jynx it...
>>18566513Keto reduces DHT?
>>18566658Yes, ketoconazole can help reduce DHT levels
>>18566506>>18566658>i believe my hair loss was mainly due to scalp dermatitis rather than being due to geneticsinflammation and DHT are correlated, if your scalp is inflamed with dermatitis it'll have increased DHT which will cause androgenetic alopecia fasterniggas underrate inflammation a lot when talking about balding, it'll definitely speed things up significantly and will make fin/min less effective. this is why people with obvious inflammation like dermatitis or acne should also solve whatever is causing inflammation in their body (fungus, shit diet, shit water, etc)
>>18566708What anti inflammatories would you folks recommend? First time using keto shampoo and I’m crazy impressed just on my first wash. Also was given a tube of 2% keto from a relative.
>>18566414those dudes are blasting every single steroid under the sun
I'm starting off oral min by taking 1 drop for a couple days and then planning to double that until I reach 5mg. Is this right? 4 drops a day and I'm taking a high enough dose for results?
>>18566883>scared of mindude it takes months to see any results from min if it even works for youstart at 2.5, wait 3 months, then ask again
Is it a good idea to only use topical min to address diffuse thinning without using a 5ARI?
>>18567167it's like filling a leaky bucket, you're not addressing the root cause of diffuse thinning.
>>18567150I'm not scared I'm planning to start today. Just looking for clarification on dosage I should stick to
>>18566178It's paracrine. mostly prostate. you're not even inhibiting type 1 but only type 2. those guevedoces niggas were jacked with perfect NW1 the only thing they lost out on is facial and body hair which is not bad when compared ot losing hair on your sclap.
>>18567167It's better than doing nothing. You might buy yourself maybe an additional 3-5 years before you reach the shaving it point. It will also make recovery harder if you do decide to add fin later, due to years of additional damage being done.
3.3 months into min and fin. I have started to shed shorter and very fine hairs.
Alright i've decided to take the plunge. I've been watching videos of two Australian doctors who routinely prescribe lower doses like 1mg fin three times a week and they recommend it. I figure a lower dose is better than nothing and if I don't try now i'll 100% regret it later.
>>18557141im coming up on a year of fin from age 20-21 and my hair hasnt gotten any better.ive seen a lot of people post results within 6 months... and it seems like im still losing ground even. what gives?im gonna add 0.5mg dut once a week and see how that goes for a while and ive got oral minox if i really want to force results.I wanted all my hair that I had at 17 to grow back in but i guess not.
Been on 1mg fin since Nov 2024 and Topical Minoxidil Since Feb 2025. I've recently started applying tretinoin right befere topical minoxidil application in case i am missing the enzyme needed to actually use minoxidil. I've tried to use RU58841 at times but I don't know if it's placebo but every time I would wake up in the middle of the night and my heart would be beating rapidly and skipping beats, so I stop. >Around months 2-4 of minoxidil I saw some regrowth, lots of tiny hairs. They all fell out. >Then months 7-8, I saw some smaller scale regrowth, they all fell out too. >Now I'm in the worst spot. As you might be able to see, the corner and temple hair is continuing to thin out and recede. Thankfully I have no scalp diffuse thinning, just on the hairline. I bought oral minoxidil but I don't use it. I'm very much afraid of permanent gross amounts of body hair so I want to keep giving topical minoxidil a shot. I have not much body hair now and I'd like to keep it that way. But at a certain point I might give up and use oral minoxidil. The left corner receding makes it incredibly difficult to style my hair and it's very demoralizing.Nonetheless please feel free to ask me anything about my journey. I have everything really well documented up to a year basically.
>>18557141What should I do at this point? My anxiety is getting my hair thinner and thinner and I got an appointment with a dermatologist in 5 days. Are the pills going to make it better? I'm getting desperate.Should I also go to a hair clinic?
>>18568066It's demoralizing because I did everything right. I caught the recession early, I wasn't in denial too long (everyone has some denial), and I began application. And I'm only rewarded with continued recession I'll have to stick with it though. Maybe minoxidil is promoting hair growth with a temporary shed. I have no other choice.
>>18568069You need to stabilize your condition first. Yes that means finasteride 1mg every day to start, and combine it with topical minoxidil application.That is the most standard set up. Whether it actually works, you'll have to try it and see for a year at least. Once the condition is stabilized, you can consider something like a hair transplantBut one thing is for sure, doing absolutely nothing (or equivalently coping with shit like red light therapy/pumpkin seed oil/head massages) will continue the hair loss, especially if you are younger and receding, that means its more aggressive.
>>18568072But what do I do during the time that my hair is like this? Do I just hide it?
>>18568079First of all, are you experiencing hairline recession or diffuse thinning on your scalp? Hairline recession can be hidden with longer hair that you use some product on so it stays that way. Not much can hide diffuse thinning. If it's really bad, can use some hair fibers, but that's a VERY temporary solution. Can wear a hat as well if you're conscious about it. I think there's a good chance it gets worse before it gets better, so either way you need to be prepared.
>>18568066>>18568070>I bought oral minoxidil but I don't use itThe efficacy rate of topical min is about 60-70%.Some people don't have the receptors in their scalp that respond to topical min, so you're basically just rubbing alcohol into your hair.It sucks, but it is what it is.I've been taking oral min for 2 months after switching from topical min and it hasn't really done much yet. My body hair still is slow to grow but my facial hair grows a bit faster and I find myself having to shave every 2-3 days instead of 3-4.
>>18568112How much are you taking and did you taper off topical? Shed? I started with 1.25mg yesterday and looking to work up to 5mg.
>>18568115>How much are you taking2.5mg/d>did you taper off topicalyeah I did topical for 3 months (the foam shit from costco)I saw a bit of regrowth but nothing crazy. >ShedYeah I was shedding like fucking crazy on weeks 3-6, I still have visibly diffused hair from that. My hairline is a bit worse than >>18568070, but it's improving.
>>18568084I experience of diffuse thinning on my scalp. The problem here is that my hair color might be uncommon and I haven't found any hair fibers that are similar to it.I might start using hats
>>18568117>>did you taper off topicalalso forgot, I was applying topical 2-3x a day, now it's once every other day. My hairline hasn't gotten worse.
>>18568112>The efficacy rate of topical min is about 60-70%.>Some people don't have the receptors in their scalp that respond to topical min, so you're basically just rubbing alcohol into your hair.Yeah I basically said this but I also mentioned that as of the past month I've been using tretinoin before minoxidil to promote the sulfotransferase enzyme. So I will try that for some time before switching to oral. Even that may not be enough though, the pathway for your body to use minoxidil is complicated, and you're right, it's either you respond to it, or you don't at all. The thing is I do have SOME response to minoxidil. I have random hairs on my fine temples and around my eyelids that weren't there before. My eyebrows are thicker. This can be due to systemic absorption of minoxidil, but not necessarily scalp effectiveness. > I've been taking oral min for 2 months after switching from topical min and it hasn't really done much yet. My body hair still is slow to grow but my facial hair grows a bit faster and I find myself having to shave every 2-3 days instead of 3-4.Interesting. I'm just worried about the permanence of it, I heard once minoxidil establishes the blood flow to a body hair follicle, it's there to stay without DHT affecting it. Basically, additional body hair is permanent. >>18568117Unlucky that you still had a shed despite tapering it off.
>>18568121If you don't have a gay alien skull shape you can consider a buzz cut. It makes the appearance of thinning not as bad. But if that's not an option then yeah wear a hat. Thing is minoxidil treatment WILL cause a shed especially for diffuse thinners, before it gets better. Be mentally prepared.
>>18567983just do 0.25mg every day, it blocks like 69% of DHT and 1mg blocks around 72%
>at barber >get my long hair cut short >notice that a lot of the barbers kept looking at the back of my head as they walked by >barber cutting my hair positions me in a way where the barber next to him can see the back of my head >later barber shows me the back of my head with a mirror and it looks fine think I'm overreacting >go home, take shower, dry off>3 hours later decide to take a pic to see if it's bad>see pic related Ooffff well there goes my confidence, gonna have to see a derm and hope it's something else first and foremost.
>>18568314Its not something else. Start fin asap and make a full recovery. You will cope your way into a bald spot for life.
man the PP thing is moving pretty fast now, if I had a few millions I'd invest. the promise of reactivating dormant follicles is super appealing since the worst thing about meds right now is having to pray it regrows some shit
>>18568753I'm the anon from the previous thread who said I had a thyroid disorder, posted pics of my long hair but parted some of it to show how I've lost a lot of density and everyone said I was just imagining it. Got my haircut to make sure and bam, it's just a shocker that it happened so fast, was losing so much hair from the side, back, top and I've lost some eyebrow hair as well, armpit hair, pubic hair, etc. I just hate how the barber did my dirty like that instead of just straight up telling me my crown was fucked. Here's another pic. And just as I was in the middle of getting some cute girl to fuck with me. Jesus....
>>18568781if it is a thyroid disorder, why would it primarily be affecting your crown, where MPB is known to affect the crown (and temples). Also wouldn't it heal after you go on meds and you stabilize your thyroid? or are you a self diagnosed thyroid disorder kid?
>>18568829>why would it primarily be affecting your crownIt's not, it's affecting my entire head, as well as my body hair. Armpits, pubic hair, leg hair, etc. I'm not completely blaming it on the thyroid disorder, hence why I'm worried it could be AGA combined with TE, which I won't know for sure until I see a dermatologist. As for my temples, they haven't been affected, I've been gradually diffuse thinning over the years, but apparently, that's supposedly normal for someone with thyroid disorders? But the thing is, that also happens with AGA. >Also wouldn't it heal after you go on meds and you stabilize your thyroid? I was taking levothyroxine at 75mcg for a couple of months but I began experiencing bad side effects and dropped it, as soon as I did that my hair began falling out again....which sucks because the back of my head was feeling a lot thicker compared to before, I started rapidly diffuse thinning in October 2023 and that's when I began taking the meds. Recently got my blood work done but I have to wait 10 days before I can see my results which sucks.>or are you a self diagnosed thyroid disorder kid?Absolutely not, the reason I ended up with a thyroid diagnosis to begin with was because my blood pressure was at 190 when they checked it, and the doctor somehow immediately recognized that it could be a thyroid disorder. Unfortunately I didn't take the illness seriously at first which is why it ended up getting worse over the years. Apart from that I had the fatigue, the dry skin, muscle weakness, they even said I was deficient in vitamin D3 and calcium, I've taken the supplements but I really can't tell the difference. Pic related to your first point, I'm diffuse thinning all over my head, I've lost density and volume all over. Hopefully it is just my thyroid and once I start taking my new meds (which I'm hoping will be better tirosint since I've heard they absorb better), if not, I'll hop on fin.
>>18568314Is this even considered thinning? Unless you’ve got otter fur on the rest of your head, that’s a cowlick within the range of normalAt the same time, yeah, I wish I’d hopped on fin earlier than I did and just rode it out. Almost feels worthless now, I’ve got diffuse thinning all across the top of my head and hard nw3 pattern temples Well, maybe pp405 will save my shit
>>18568889Crown looks like it's suffered a bit of diffuse thinning, I'd say he's in the very early stages of balding. Assuming he's not coping with the whole thyroid thing, it should grow back once he gets on his meds, either that or he'll wait like every other idiot out there did and more of his hair follicles will die due to DHT.
>>18568961What’s the most far-gone you can be and still have it be worth it to try medication? I don’t have slick-bald areas that I need to recover, but I would need density to come back in thinned areas, and some parts that have gone to 99% vellus hair to “de-miniaturize” if that can even happen As far as that other dudes scalp, yeah, he might have some mild thinning depending on what he looked like 2-3 years ago, but if that’s seen as bad enough that women care, zoomers are completely rotted by social media. Hadn’t realized it’d gotten that competitive
did you ever stop to think that maybe it's because you're so paranoid that you would use a burner phone to get a medication from walgreens is the reason you've become a stressed out little cretin who is losing his hair?if the rules you followed lead you here, of what use were they?
New study just dropped on Finasteride https://studyfinds.org/finasteride-suicidemissed-warnings-hair-loss-drug/>Finasteride — used widely for male pattern baldness — is linked to depression, anxiety, and suicidal behavior.>Evidence of these psychiatric risks appeared as early as 2002, yet regulatory and manufacturer responses were significantly delayed.>Between 2017 and 2023, at least eight large studies (four using global adverse-event databases, four using large medical records) reported elevated risks for mood disorders and self-harm among users.>The drug works by inhibiting a key enzyme (5-α-reductase), which disrupts production of neurosteroids like allopregnanolone that regulate mood — offering a plausible biological mechanism for the psychiatric effects.>Although the drug is marketed as “cosmetic” for hair loss, researchers argue the benefit-to-risk balance may be unacceptable given the potential for severe harm.>The review strongly criticizes both the original manufacturer (Merck & Co./Organon) and regulators (especially the FDA) for failing to initiate adequate post-marketing safety studies or issue timely warnings.>With millions of users worldwide, researchers estimate that hundreds of thousands may have experienced depression linked to Finasteride and hundreds more may have died by suicide — though the numbers are speculative.>Regulatory action was slow: depression was added as a side effect in 2011, suicidal ideation was added around 2022 in the U.S., and the European Medicines Agency only recently confirmed suicidal thoughts as a side effect.>The review calls for urgent reforms — suspending cosmetic use until safety is re-evaluated, mandating post-approval studies, including medication history in suicide investigations, and enforcing transparency between regulators and industry.
>>18569106>“This paper is dedicated to the memory of a healthy person who started taking finasteride several years ago, ‘just’ to improve his hair,” writes study author Dr. Mayer Brezis. “Within a week, he developed severe neuropsychiatric symptoms that did not abate after stopping the drug. Treatment attempts by the best specialists did not help, and a few months later, he died by suicide.”damn
>>18569008It's impossible to say everybody responds differently and in rare cases people have come back from some truly devastated hairlines. That being said it's always better to have hair up to a point, even if it's not perfect, versus going slick bald.
At what month do people typically start noticing improvements from Finasteride alone?
>>18569113so this jew has a chip on his shoulder.
>>18569243~6 months to a year+ is not uncommon. It's gradual unlike minoxidil so you've probably already improved but not enough to notice just yet.
>>18569243I noticed miniaturization and the DHT itch stopped around the 4 month mark on fin and after 8 months was the first time I felt like my hair was above baseline, seasonal sheds continued twice a year but with minoxidil, you get over them quickly, like in 2 weeks.However, I have to note I felt my hair density improve more on 3 months of dutasteride than nearly 2 years on fin, because on fin, a lot of my weakest hairs had grown back but kept falling out after only a few inches and refused to thicken anymore.
what's the canonical starting dose for oral minoxidil?
>>18569008I'm the scalp you're talking about and my hair uses to be more much more plentiful and thicker than this which is why I'm worried. And according to Gemini, thyroid hair loss is gradual, which is why I can't tell if I'm dealing with AGA or TE considering they both manifest in the same ways, the only thing I have to go by is losing density all over my head, as well as losing body hair, which is not seen in AGA as far as I know, only time will tell really. I did start using rogaine but it caused some major irritation and would not stop itching so I guess that might not be the best option.
>>18569106now study the effects of balding at an early age and depression/suicide, it's probably even worse
>>18569443you can reverse hair loss with botox and a low inflammation diet lmao
>>18569106these retards don't understand cause and effect, balding is suicide inducing, nobody likes to talk about it but cis men saving their hair can be just as life affirming as a trans girl preventing their male puberty, you ever notice how before after pics in both examples have the guy looking unkempt in the before pic?They had already given up on themselves.
>>185694142.5mg if you're a wimp, 5mg is a normal dosage.I do 10mg personally, you could probably go higher but it'll turn you into a werewolf.
>>18569008That other guys crown is experiencing some very early signs of thinning and miniaturization, only discernable to a dermatologist or a victim of the norwood repeat, or just simply a very acute observer, he still has time but he needs to act fast.
Been on oral fin and min for about 3 years now, crown looks like this.Is it time to switch to dut?
>>18569727Am I missing something here? It looks fine.
>>18569727It's time to visit a psychiatrist.Your problem isn't ON your head.
>>18560906You need hairspray
Did anyone have decent regrowth from fin only? Minox tablets aren't available where I live and the spray bottle is a hassle I don't want to put up with it, so wonder what to expect without it in the regime when it comes to reversing diffuse thinning
>>18569727just get some smp and get on with your life fuck my god
>4,75 months on Finasteride 1mg dailyI'm not shedding anymore, kings. How can I know if it is the Finasteride, the shampoo I changed one month after starting the Finasteride which verifiably made my hair worse or the coffee I stopped drinking 2 months after the Finasteride which is obviously not good for stress and TE?
>Be me>Don’t cum for a day (unprecedented)>Cum buckets on the following dayIs it the finasteride?
>pic relWHAT DOES THIS MEAN? DOES THE LITERATURE TALK ABOUT THIS? AT WHAT POINT DO YOU GET STUCK ON MIN? DID HE LIE FOR NO REASON!?
>>18569414start low (0.5-1mg) and check for sides first and then titrate
>>18570556You can't get stuck on that shit.
>>18570644why would he lie
Should I take min before fin? Don't think theres many drawbacks since idk what is causing balding
>>18570556Basically you might be stuck taking both not knowing which one actually stopped your hair loss and now you can't afford to drop either one.Min is hella cheap though, if you drink the topical liquid.
>>18569776>>18569799hes a victim of that jew who sits in here LARPing as a doctor and telling everyone they're balding. the janny got doxxed a while ago and his jewish dad owns a pharmaceutical company. connect the dots. >>18569473you sound like a salesman trying to sell me a used car.>just as life affirming as a trans girl preventing theirfor the readers: this is a troon who isn't balding, because he's on troon meds. but he's reading and commenting in your balding thread and giving you medical "advice."there is a discord or paid jeets with an agenda to feminize and castrate men who sit in this thread trying to convince men who aren't even balding to take fin/dut. take everything you read in here with a grain of salt. these are troons and indians playing doctor. none of them should be giving out medical advice.
>>18570655If you have androgenetic hair loss, the cause would most likely be DHT related. Maybe go to a dermatologist and get a scalp biopsy if you really want to know.
>>18570556if you're a non responder you'll notice that your eyebrows/lashes didn't change at all, and then you can stop min just to confirm if you start shedding
>>18557141i think jacking off has nothing to do with baldingbeen on nearly a year of 2.5 mg dutasteride, i masturbate like 2-3 times a week, sometimes more, sometimes lessmy hairfall has gone down by more than 95% since i started shedding last yearit's just scalp dht, and anything else that gets accumulated by sweat/sebum on your scalp, so wash your head like 2 times a day with regular water as well on top of blocking dht
>>18571352>i think jacking off has nothing to do with baldingI mean, you're losing vital minerals when you ejaculate which have to be replenished by your body, putting strain on your thyroid and other parts of your endocrine system which regulates DHT and stuff
>>18571352If it doesn't do anything why are you suggesting washing your head 2x a day? The consensus is that it does do something, the question is rather does a dht blocker mitigate enough of it or not in chronic cases.
>>18570652No. He's just a retard.
>>18571352yeah we know you're on 2.5mg you remind us every 2 days
>>18571409Is there a consensus? Elaborate.
>>18571352>so wash your head like 2 times a daythis is going to increase oil production, you tardalso if you masturbate 2-3 times a week that's nothing compared to actual addicts that fap 2-3 times a day
>>18571469Anything which activates the sebaceous glands will cause DHT to be produced topically on the scalp as it mixes with sweat. It's not limited to masturbating either. It hasn't been directly studied but you can sift through countless studies which attribute DHT production to sebaceous glands and all of the activities which stimulate them. Chronic masturbation will accelerate hair loss in people with a predisposition to MPB
>>18571620this seems absurd, simply exercising will make you go bald?
>>18571649No it won't make you go bald. It will accelerate the process in someone who already has follicles sensitive to DHT. We don't measure DHT directly on the scalp yet so the increase is still unknown but there are plenty of anons here and across the hair loss world who can attest to decreased hair density following chronic masturbation.
>>18571663chronic masturbation goes hand in hand with slob behavior like not showering regularly, maybe it's the mechanism of masturbating a lot of letting the DHT sebum stew on your scalp for days that accelerates hair loss?
>>18571666Regardless you are still increasing the topical DHT levels through these activities. Not removing the sebum will only compound the problem. Better safe than sorry when it's hard enough as it is to maintain a decent head of hair.
>>18559505Yes but HRT gives you breasts and cellulite and flabby arms.
started fin at nw1 about 8 years ago. currently nw2. growing it out one last time. inconsistently used generic fin for 2 years then started paying for propecia
>>18571366it's a negligible amount
>>18571352I'll take it one step further:Smoking has nothing to do with balding. It's a psyop to get people to quit smoking.
>>18571782>smoking doesn't.. -ACK!
>>18571786just means smoking increases testosterone
I think it’s pretty damn unlikely that 1mg daily fin is gonna be enough to stop my balding, much less give me any restoration. Am I wrong? I started at about nw3 a few months ago and haven’t noticed anything yet. It just seems like a lot of you guys end up needing to start adding other shit or switching to dut or whatever. Doesn’t give me a lot of hope that fin alone will get the job done.
>>18557141None of these fags are balding. The camera lens is so close, it's making a fisheye effect and they're all larping faggots not knowing what real emotional pain is.
>>18572068As a nw3 you most likely won't gain back significant ground without a transplant. 1mg fin is enough to stop your balding and maintain what you have left with maybe a norwood 2.5-2 after a year if you get lucky. Still its better than maintaining a norwood 4 or 5. Diffuse thinning cases are the ones that make crazy recoveries unfortunately not usually hairline recession.
What’s the usual timeline for people who saw significant diffuse thinning recovery from 1mg fin alone? A year? I will be so stoked if I bounce back from diffuse thinning ad my hairline holds steady. >>18572288
>>18572295Yeah if you want to play it safe about a year and onwards. I can tell you from my own experience that it took about 6 months until I noticed I was gaining back ground after shedding terribly up until then. By the year mark I would say my bald spot had increased density by about 60%. I'm almost at the 2 year mark now and it's at about 90% recovered with my natural hair whorl even making a return as the only area which you can see the scalp from.
>>18572326Granted the hairline didn't move much at all, it got thicker where it was and my temporal points got sharper and more defined compared to being rounded. I wasn't expecting much at the hairline because I'd left it in that state for many years and only took the plunge after the diffuse thinning started at the crown. I went from a NW2 to maybe a NW1.8 but a hell of a lot healthier looking.
Nizoral shampoo and keto cream is a fucking miracle.
>>18571786merely a coincidence
Would it be worth it to move for the VDPHL01 trial?
>>18572735fuck no, you could get a chink lab to press you a batch of generic min xr pills
>>18571594oh fuck im an addict
redpill me on drinking caffeine
>>18573391helps with appetite suppression, most drinks with caffeine taste good, the stimulant effects taper off very quickly if you make a habit of drinking caffeinated drinks everyday, more than 2 cups of coffee a day can trigger withdrawal symptoms and a pot a day office coffee drinkers can have have protracted multi-day withdrawals that feel like bad hangovers.
>>18573392greatbut I meant if there's a connection between caffeine consumption and hair loss
>>18573393supposedly they stimulate the hair follicles and block some DHT from binding to the follicles but there's very little evidence that this would be effective if you ground up caffeine pills into your shampoomany skincare products use caffeine as a vasoconstrictor to reduce dark eye circles caused by blood vessels so make of that what you will
>fin 1.25mg every day for almost a year>crown clearly had major regrowth>by the beginning of september there's days where I physically cannot see my scalp in the mirror>shed for 3 weeks>can see my scalp again>fuck me sidewaysIt's frustrating, anons, I almost had it back, why is my scalp testing my patience?
>>18573403It'll come back soon, get used to the sheds, they always happened but now you're acutely aware of them, you can get over them faster with oral minjust remember that the hair will always come back stronger
>>18573407Yeah obviously, I'm just bitching man. Also, bit of a problem, only place which sells oral min here is a hair clinic, and sadly, I bet they actually do want a prescription, unlike the shitty pharmacy I get my proscar from. If it wasn't for pharmacies here not giving a shit, I'd be fucking bald right now, because all dermatologists here are assholes.
>>18573414do you have rogaine or 5% topical minoxdil OTC where you live?You can just take it orally, read the OP.
>>18573417Oh right, that's a thing. Thanks anon, I thought I would need to resort to some retard on tressless and get a heart attack, thanks a bunch.
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6 months on 0.5mg Duta and 0 regrowthFin didn't work. Duta likely won't either. Shit sucks, bro.
>>18573482If duta doesn't stop your hair recession then your problem isn't hormonal.
>>18573580I never talked about recessionhair has been the exact same for 10 years just no meds work on it
been a year on min+fin. seems I maxed out my "regrowth" potential. in other words by crown got more dense but that was it. disappointing but guess that was to be expected. gotta save up for a transplant and hope I dont fall for a shit clinic i guess.
I'm around NW5 and shave my head bald. Have been on fin for the past 8 years just because. Is there any point in trying for regrowth with minoxidil? I feel like my balding is pretty far gone and I don't see the addition of minox really making a difference - my crown area is pretty much smooth and shiny. Thoughts?
>>18573696wait for pp405 in the next 3 years
>>18573696minoxidil is cheap and you could be a hyper responder
>>18573696a turkroach can give you back your hair for ~4k. just ave up a bit.
>>18572331similar here but I've mild to no diffuse thinning, probably regained ~1/3 of what I'd lost on my temples and temporal peaks (approximately NW2>NW1.5)
>>18573696You probably need dutasteride
>>18569243I'm a diffuse fag that looked like a worse version of pic related with more receding on the temples. I saw improvements in around 4 months. Even my temples slightly filled in. I use topical min as well.>>18569414I'm too afraid to do this. Doesn't it make you hairier everywhere as well? I have enough of a hard time with my unibrow, I don't need even thicker eyebrows and body hair.>>18570556I did the opposite. Started with topical min, it did wonders but hairs kept falling over a year in, so I added fin as reinforcement and to stop the receding hairline.>>18571352>jacking off has nothing to do with baldingThe body has no way to tell if it is experiencing masturbation or casual sex. >>18571366>>18571409Anyone thinking masturbation has anything to do with health issues is a guaranteed virgin. If masturbation is bad, how come sex havers never experience anything?>muh love hormonesAh, so the love hormones magically clean up the evil goo that sexual stimulation shits up your scalp with?
>>18557141>dht serves no purposeYou are a cretin. Kys.
>>18574191it doesnt, sorry youre retarded
>>18574214>it doesnt, sorry youre retarded
>>18574188Because sex havers aren't typically fucking 3x a day for years on end you twisted littlr freak.
>>18574241my experience is that sex havers are generally bigger coomers than virgin incel types which cope with nofap and other pathetic shit
>>18557496maintain with fin/dutrestore with hair transplantthis is basically 95%the other 5% of rewarded effort and money comes with minoxidil and tretinoin if you don't respond well to minoxidileverything else is overhyped by autistic looksmaxxers don't overthink this shit I'm assuming you have a life to live as well
>>18559076>I started derma rolling too.don't take this stupid riskyou can seriously fuck up your skin
rate the line, how over is it for me? im 29
>>18557732ermm dood it's self esteem and shit long hair is heckin feminine, now off to get pegged by my wholesome affirming trans gf
>>18574454looks finewhy do you fags always want to show off the entire hairline anyway? 99% of you don't have the face to pull it off
>>18574090also realized it's been 6 months a few days ago so have a proper progress pic
>>18574471my gf hates my hair being long. i have no idea what i should do lol
>>18574443forgot to mention ketoconazolebut yeah that's pretty much it
>>18574496She hates the fact that you are a fat piece of shit - no haircut will ever look good on you unless you start eating healthy and exercising. Keep growing your hair out.
>>18574504Weak spot detected
>>18574504he's still balding but hides it with his hair
>>18574504she loves me tho
>>18574521he's slavic they have those 40 year coal miner hairlines when they turn 10
>>18574504no chance that's the same person
Why are redditors on balding forums so retarded? The majority of them literally have zero clue of what they're talking about. Saw someone with clear signs of alopecia areata being told by some idiot that he had AGA, I also saw some tranny tell some young dude to get on spirolactone to cure his baldness, of course I told him that spiro is used by women and trannys and that it contains estrogen and to go for fin or dut instead. Literally retard central over there.
>Me 35, Hair that looked like pic related.>Brothers and dad lost hair in their early 20s, grandad on mums side had hair lush and full though and looked like mine.>Literally women would come up to me in public and ask what I was doing for my hair>Women coworkers would also tell me that girls pay hundreds if not thousands to try get hair like mine>Hit 36>2 months later >Norwood 4Genuinely nightmarish, doing microneedling and topical fin but doesn't seem to be doing shit. I can't believe I lost so much hair so fucking fast it's unreal.
>>18569473Let the retards go bald, fin has drastically improved my life I was depressed as fuck when I started going bald and even stopped the gym. I still have a bald spot but it's much smaller now thanks to fin which gave me the confidence to start lifting again and just take better care of myself because my hope returned.
>>18575438trolls are not exclusive to 4chan
>>18574504This guy is an absolute retard schizo who tells people to only wash their hair with raw eggs and that he reversed his balding with no meds when all he does is hide his recessed temples with his hair, lmao.
>>18575980guy also said he's going to slow down his aging process and look 20 years old at 27 simply because he believes he's stuck at 20 years old hard enough (and no, calling yourself schizo in the same video you say something like this doesn't invalidate how fucking dumb you sound)All of these looksmaxxers seem legit when you start listening to them but they eventually say something so pants-on-head retarded that you realize he's just another fraud that tries to sell you google documents on gumroad for $50. Every single one.All of these people are the modern equivalent of turkish snake oil merchants.
>>18575855It's honestly the microplastics and the hyper-genetically manufactured food supply that's cause your rapid hairloss, and why zoomers look late-30s in their 20s.
>>18557141Do you guys think it's worth starting oral minoxidil if I'm maintaining NW1 on fin and plan to wean off minoxidil in 2-3 years, slowly decreasing doses and then using dut?I know min has a different way of stimulating hair thickening and growth, but if it's not being blasted by DHT it shouldn't be an issue, right?This guy seems to think it's a good idea, but he's not Haircafe so idk.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfWqMDeix0c
>>18574504>>18574471lol judging by your other video, your forehead seems to be a sensitive issue?No wonder you'd say that to other people when you got a whole airstrip going
>>18575980>>18575990every youtuber needs a grift to sell bullshit or become a "cult" leader, the part about every male looking better with long hair (down to your hips hair) is true.
>>18576171I thought plastics had an estrogen effect
