/balding/ and /finasteride/ general - hair is love, hair is life!Sticky: http://tuxbell.com/index.php/BaldingReminder that if you can clearly see down to your scalp when your hair is wet, your hair is thinning, lots of small new hairs sprouting at the hairline or crown is a sign of hair recession.Holy trinity:Tabs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FinasterideLotion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MinoxidilShampoo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KetoconazoleFinasteride/Dutasteride are 5-alpha reductase inhibitors that prevent free T from being converted to DHT, a byproduct of testosterone that serves no purpose after puberty but to choke out your hair follicles and make them thin out and die in a few short years, a condition known as androgenic alopecia.5ar inhibitors prevent your hair from getting any worse, mild regrowth is expected, rapid onset diffuse thinners see a significant recovery on fin alone. Can be taken orally or topically.5ARIs are not dosage dependent, taking as little as as 0.2mg daily fin can reduce serum DHT by 68%, while 5mg reduces by 72%.0.5mg daily dut reduces serum DHT by 95%, but is considered a second line treatment, and can be more expensive and harder to get prescribed. Start with fin.Fin has been used to treat benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH) for 30+ years, it's very well studied and is tolerated well in almost all men, however, there's a 1-2% risk of erectile issues in controlled studies.These can be avoided by reducing dosage, spacing out dosage, or stopping the drug. Fin takes days to fully bio-accumulate, the half life of fin is about 8 hours, adverse effects occuring within minutes of starting fin or persisting long after stopping fin are not real and have no basis in reality. Please note that dut has a much higher half-life of 5 weeks, if you're prone to fin sides, dut may cause them for far longer.Refer to https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3481923/ before responding to PFS trolls.(continued on next post)
Minoxidil (liquid and tabs) is a vasodialator that opens potassium channels and widens blood vessels bringing nutrients to your hair follicles, stimulating them into thickening, accelerating growth and elongating the growth phase. Min is taken with fin to restore your hair to it's original hairline, thickness and vigor when hair loss is caught early enough, (pre-NW2). Can be taken orally or topically.Topical min does not work in 1/3 of men because they lack the required enzymes in their scalp, all men have this enzyme in their liver so the oral route is a good fallback.The FDA formulation for 5% liquid minoxidil is food safe (vape juice, ethanol and water) and can be safely taken orally if oral min tabs are expensive or rarely prescribed where you live. As a general rule, ~4 drops (0.1ml) = 5mg minoxidil.There's a 1-2% risk of fluid retention with higher oral dosages, start with the lowest dosage possible and work your way up when you're sure it's well tolerated.Ketoconazole is an anti-androgen and antifungal that inhibits DHT on the scalp and used to treat fungal infections of the scalp that may be making your hair loss worse such as seborrheic dermatitis, a condition where you exhibit severe greasy, flaky large dandruff flakes with dried yellow crystals (blood plasma) embedded in the scalp. Some people may only have traction alopecia (hair loss from scratching or friction), but it will not cure androgenic alopecia on it's own. Can only be taken topically.Do not use spirolactone. Spirolactone is a diuretic which, in large doses, inhibits testosterone and, by extension, DHT.It is regularly prescribed as an anti-androgen for male to female HRT, and thus, comes with an astronomically higher risk of sexual side effects in men including ED, gynecomastia, and can cause potassium toxicity.Previous thread: >>18542218
>hair feels thicker and healthier after 4 months on dut+min than it did nearly 2 years on fin+minSome men have way too much DHT for their own good, dut should be a first line treatment, period.
>literally every magical dut rebound on r/tressless is met with disbelief and accusations of trollingdude even posted a video to prove it wasn't fakehttps://www.reddit.com/r/tressless/comments/1o0p08z/200_days_on_dut_min_what_do_you_think/
>>18557168i thought it was recently shown that dutasteride does have long term effects on sperm mobility
>>18557175it doesenjoy your broken ballsthis is the way:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yehk_h_Uj6k
Use spirolactone. Spirolactone is a diuretic which, in large doses, inhibits DHT.It is regularly prescribed as an anti-estrogen for female to male HRT, and thus, comes with an astronomically lower risk of sexual side effects in men.I’ve been on spiro for a few months now and the results are nothing short of legendary. Spiro is the ultimate anabolic tonic that sends test levels skyrocketing. I have >thicker, fuller hair: my temples which had been thinning are filling back in rapidly>facial hair renaissance: patchy beards are a thing of the past. Spiro turbo-charges follicle activity The science is settled: spiro cranks up test production and unleashes it directly at the follicular level. Dermatologists call it “anabolic follicular supercharging.”If you’re ready to stop playing with bullshit like minoxidil and want to grow a mane worthy of a Norse god, you need to buy spiro. Just don’t forget to get a bigger comb.
>>18557207Post your hairline you osteoporosisized cuckwad.
>>18557207stop spamming my picsi regrew my hair with massages and vitamins not medicine. full diffuse thinning recovery without fin without dut without spiro or any other pharma meds.botox is proven to cure hair loss (pic) without taking castration drugs for your entire life. this means that hair loss is primarily caused by scalp tension and inflammation. minimizing both with lifestyle, diet and nutrition changes and regular scalp massages or even botox injections can have amazing results.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yehk_h_Uj6k
>>18557268i don't take spiro or any hair loss drugs. its a kike shill trying to talk you into going on castration meds.the studies on botox and hair regrowth in the last decade prove that you do not need to take tranny drugs or minoxidil to get your hair back.
>>18557274Tell me about Botox for hair regeneration.
>>18557277watch the video i linked. there's multiple theories as to the exact mechanism of hair loss and recent studies are starting to show that the current dominant theory and the way we treat hair loss with drugs instead of holistically is not the best answer. the dominant theory until recent has been that low oxygen environments in the scalp favor conversion of free testosterone to dht. however there's a lot of research that's also showing it could be inflammation caused by scalp tension that causes oversensitivity/production to dht, and clinical studies are starting to find that if you inject botox into the scalp to relieve tension it regrows hair pretty dramatically. if botox works it also means massages probably work the same as long as you're consistent with them.its good to be aware of this stuff because- you might not need fin/dut/min if you catch things early enough- if you're on fin/dut/min you can get even better results by hairmaxxing in combination- these things work on people who have different kinds of hair loss than male pattern baldness who fin/dut won't work on- no side effects- no lifetime subscription to big pharmathese two videos are good:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yehk_h_Uj6kthis one i only agree with maybe 70% of, there's some quackery/speculation but a lot of it's just common sense. this covers a lot of the things you can do to min/max hair regrowth or reduce your chances of balding:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBG0EfoQTrcit'll at least get you on the right track of taking a holistic approach to regrowing your hair, meds or not. alsoDO NOT sleep on a synthetic filled/cased pillow. buy silk or cotton pillowcases. wash daily.i also think everyone with hair loss should do a water only fast for 3-7 days once to twice a year, or a 1-2 day dry fast every once in a while. two things are proven to reduce and even _reverse_ fibrosis: fasting, and scalp massages.you can even get 'scarred' follicles back sometimes.
>>18557277if you want to get good natural results you have to do everything. fix all nutrient/mineral deficiencies. zinc iodine copper selenium silicone iron and sulfur especially. get enough sunlight or get on vit d and k2 mk-7. don't sleep on a plastic pillow. don't sleep on a dirty pillow. get shampoo with minimal ingredients and not overly strong cleansers or make your own. nopoo or lesspoo works for some people. get rid of sources of inflammation in your diet, for instance if you drink homogenized cheap milk switch to the hippie cream top glass bottle shit. stop eating seed oils. etc etc. that's just the very tip of the iceberg.take better care of yourself and your hair will come back.i was 90% diffuse thinned on the whole side of my head and now i look like a norse god like the jew shill said, without any meds.
>>18557207Spiro saved my hairline.
>>18557303>orange hair>blonde hairnot even the same person. try harder jew shill.
>>18557303go away shill
>>18557141how can tell whether I suffer from diffuse thinning with long hair?
>>18557419you'll see you lost density just like with any other hair length, lol?
>>18557429but that means I'd need a before/after photo.OP says that seeing your scalp with wet hair is an indicator you're thinning, but long hair you'd have multiple layers disguising the thinning
>>18557419by how often you need to unclog your shower drain
>>18557460uh, you lose about a hundred hairs a day without balding already. I (and all non-disgusting women) unclog the shower drain after every shower
It's blackpilling seeing a guy use just fin and grow back two Norwood stages in 6 months. Meanwhile I've been on dut, 5 mg oral min, RU and ket for 2+ years and I've regrown zero hair. I've looked at some of the upcoming treatments and they all have an effect equal to or lower than fin, so I've got nothing to look forward to.
Just turned 33 years old and I was outside and felt a little draft on my crown that I never felt before. I went home and looked in the mirror with a makeup compact and sure enough, I've lost like half my crown and could see scalp a bit. I actually cried for 10 minutes. I am only 33 and barely starting to get my life together while everyone else is buying houses and getting married, I still post on 4chan 3 hours a day. I am not ready to be an unc when I've only had 2 girlfriends before. Tell me what to do. Tell me how to fix this. I have got no time left and life just keeps shitting on me bros. :(
>>18557303>>18557303lmfao norwood5 cuck it saved nothing
>>18557496you're going to learn the hard way that the pharma jew just wants to sell you a lifetime subscription to pills. have you tried to improve your health in any other way? >>18557529indian shill. burn in hell jeet.
>>18557559>have you tried to improve your health in any other way? I've seen homeless drug addicts in their 50s with perfect hairlines and Olympic athletes in their 20s with thinning hair. Androgenic alopecia has nothing to do with general health.
>>18557617homeless drug addicts get a ton of sunlight and eat less food and get a lot more exercise than you. you're balding and just taking the pills and trusting the plan isn't working.
>>18557631stop posting my pics and shilling spiro, sadeep. thank you!
we don't care
>>18557642stop shilling spiro with my pics ranjesh. you are not a doctor, you need to stop roleplaying as one in the balding thread.
>>18557659Spiro saved my hairline althoughbeit
>>18557674Thoughts on my hairline? Saved it with spiro. Ignore my ftm physique, I recently transitioned.
>>18557688janny pls
>>18557714>dickless>tiny narrow shoulders>feminine face>chud jaw>smooth philtrum>thin upper lip>misshapen smile>beady, soulless eyesftm transsexual, mom drank when pregnant.
How will American Norwoodbros cope when he bans Finasteride & Dutasteride?>B-b-but Trump is on fin! They won't ban it!Rules for thee, not for me!Tick tock, baldcels.
>>18557685we don't give a shit about you either
>>18557141>be balding>take min>take fin>do microneedling>get turkish transplants>rub indian cow shit on your head>have a voodoo priestess exorcise your scalp>buy into the "forbidden health" poster and follow his advice and drink bleach>do everything and anything to restore and maintain your hair>still have a stupid short normie haircut where it literally doesn't matter if you're balding or not.fellas why are you like this? why not grow it out?
>>18557719I would kill you in a single strike albeit.
>>18557756you're shorter than your little sister (who found your dildo) and you fucked the family dog.
>>18557797Ok and?
its feminine behavior to worry about balding. when have men ever worried about this except in modern era?
>>18557808practically every ancient civilization has records of not just women but also men wearing wigs.Granted most of it was due to shit hygiene so they would shave their heads and wear a wig on top, but if you're talking about the "modern" revival of men in the Western world wearing wigs to cover up their baldness - it goes back to King Louis XIII in 1624 when he he was a balding 23 year old and setting the trend from there.There was like 200 years of men in France and England and even America just walking around with giant white wigs and fake ponytails.
>>18557808back then you would just get an arranged marriage with your neighbor when you were in your teens or you could just rape a woman. right now if a man has no hair it's fvcking over
>>18557821>please to doe the needful of arrange marriage of I will redeem the rapebrappesh, please
>>18557822>oh noooo you said the R word!!! you must be a jeet!reddit is right over there bro
>>18557162>>18557168dut is literally a miracle drugused to shed nearly 500 hairs each week when washing it with shampoo and conditionernow? just about 20-30 per weekmy hair density has also gotten better after about a year of 2.5 mg duti was diffuse thinning btwand yeah, it's expensive af
do the needful and flush this shit thread
Hey boys! I'm not bald yet but I'm 23 now and have started losing hair at a fast rate. I've also recently become single and I've realized that if I go bald before I get married my life is over basically.I've heard about finasteride, looksmaxing incels on various websites have shilled it to me. Can you spoonfeed me with anecdotes on your routine? How to buy it, take it, when, etc?Thank you kindly
Thoughts on topical Dut, Pyrilutamide, or RU? Oral fin seems to mess with my erections (could be psychosomatic) and also seems to kill my motivation and overall mood (didn’t know this was a side effect, so it can’t be psychosomatic since I wasn’t anticipating it)Any other options? Trying to get into pp405 study, but who knows those odds haha. I’ve heard oral Dut has fewer sides than oral Fin for some people, but idk how that could work. Saw Palmetto is also an option, it’s supposed to at least freeze progression, even if it’s mostly too weak for re-growth. Or do I just rock it out for a bit longer and then get a wig?
>>18557855I got my fin prescription online through walgreens. $33 for the "appointment" which was a questionnaire and sending in three pictures of my hair (thinning and receding was obvious). I could have asked for topical fin if I wanted but I was fine with pills. Then a three month supply was like $30 no insurance.The whole thing took an hour for the appointment and a couple hours to fill the prescription down the road. I procrastinated on this shit for almost a full year.I specifically didn't use hims or any of that bullshit because their data use policies were shit. Walgreens was acceptable and as far as I can tell they haven't sold my info (I still used my burner phone for it).Minoxidil 5% I get from walmart about $25 for a three month supply.
Do hairlines mature via miniaturization?
>>18557855Look up on google how to get prescribed it in your country. Most countries will have online options where you never need to visit a doctor in person. Best way to take it is orally, 5mg pills split into quarters will be the absolute cheapest legit way depending on how your country handles prescriptions otherwise go with the cheapest off brand 1mg pill as they are all the same. You would be taking it once a day every day for as long as you want to keep your hair. As long as you are not living in western europe the process is very simple.
>>18557996how else?
>>18557998>Most countries will have online options where you never need to visit a doctor in person.literally only the anglosphere
>>18558073Looking at posts online most say that hairlines mature without miniaturization and that miniaturization on the hairline is the first step towards mpb
>>18558075false, third worlders have copied that business model already because it just werks, no one wants to depend on some tard doctor to prescribe you the thing you need, people just want to send a picture that shows they're balding and get the fin prescription
>>18558076Mature hairlines are just mpb that appears rapidly and then halts around NW2, basically some people's temples are significantly more sensitive to DHT than the rest of their hair.My maternal grandpa and I went NW2 at <20 (with my younger brother nearly NW2 at 21) and I've had minimal further recession up to 27... I don't think it can be anything other than miniaturization.>>18558121the Anglosphere and the EU are the only relevant countries on the internet1000000000 jeets and brapzilians can suck my fat uncut cock
>>18558075Europe hates finasteride and everything related to male cosmetics. I think they want people to be bald and unhappy. It's actually a lot more accessible and encouraged in Asia than the anglosphere bar the US
>>18557507post crown so we can see what we are working with.bottom line though, if you want the hair loss to stop, get on finasteride, otherwise no matter what you do, it will only get worse. after you are on finasteride for a while, you can gauge if a hair transplant is an option for you. you might be fine with an appropriate hairstyle and using hair fibers.I wouldn't get on minoxidil unless u absolutely have to. you will basically have to be on it for life.
why arent you guys shilling dutasteride?
>>18558436I try to, the only realistic route for a legit prescription in the US is Dr.B and cost plus, $132/year after shipping and consults.Some countries won't prescribe it to you at all and some countries will confiscate them if you just gray market them from India.
>stevia increased effectiveness of min in miceInfo is brand new. Does rubbing stevia on your head have any potential negative sides? I assume nobody has tried this yet but I'm about to buy a shitload of stevia. Im min only and progress is really slow.
>>18557295>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBG0EfoQTrcI just washed my hair with a egg yolk, honey and water as shampoo and rinsed it with watered down apple cider vinegar after. Holy shit my hair has so much more shine and bounce than with aveda and it feels like there's no 'residue' on my scalp after showering.
does rice water + red onion work?
>>18558834i've heard red onion's a meme, but i might try it just because. i'm trying to find a middle ground between commercial shampoo and nopoo that actually works for me. if you ever deal with sebderm and start reading about all the common ingredients in shampoos you realize there really isn't much/anything off the shelf you can get that isn't bad for your scalp and by extent a lot of them are likely a contributing factor to hair loss. if i can't settle on a natural method that works, i found out there's websites you can order the raw ingredients for cosmetics from without paying shipping a bunch of different places. i'll try making my own really basic cleansing shampoo omitting the preservatives since i can mix it in batches, and the other various things i don't like. anyone know an off the shelf shampoo that's really simple with the ingredients?
>>18558849dont do onions trust me it's absolutely horrible. your hair will smell like it for a month and it will be strong enough that you will be able to smell it non-stop by proximity and so well everybody else. if you sweat it or shower again it will reactivate the oils and your eyes will burn even weeks after.
Been on min for 1 month and finally noticed my hair shedding, so I guess it's working.
SMP is so underrated for diffuse baldingIf you combine it with a hair transplant the results can be unreal. Look at this guy he didn't even get an HT but the results are significant.
>>18558935kek good looking out, i barely have a sense of smell so i could have easily not noticed how rank it is.
>>18559020That clearly isn't the same head/hair.
>>18558995I started fin and min at the same time and noticed shedding at one week. Are you min only?
>>18559020spirals going opposite ways
Does anyone use min to grow a beard. I'm sick of my thin patchy facial hair. I was getting some gains in the first few months but seems to be plateaued. I started derma rolling too.
>>18559076yeah and it helps but I've always had a good beard... now I actually have reverse patchy beard where I have to thin it out in spots because it's too thick
>>18557141I'm 45, I started balding when I was in HS, been shaving my head for 25 years now.... thank the gods I look decent with a bald head
10 ish weeks at caloric surplus, shedding has 100% stopped and patches seem to be filling in.I'm saved for now, it definitely was Telogen Effluvium, but MPB will raise its head eventually looking at my family tree.But I probably get a decade, and by then I can use cloned DHT resistant hairs and not have to take DHT blockers.
>>18559333/thinspo/ wants to know how low your calorie intake has to be to start losing your hair, did you simply not eat anything for weeks?
>>18559365Between 1500-2000 calorie deficit a day.Neet who did 3-5 hours of cardio everyday on 1500 cals.
>>18559391Also maintained this extreme deficit for around 8 months.Went from barely class 3 obese to normal weight, I'm currently a few pounds overweight tho from going to surplus for my hair. No loose skin because good skincare routine and good skin genetics.
>>18559029>>18559066same person lol, and same spiralhttps://www.instagram.com/p/DAQ94i_xVdm/?img_index=3
>>18559399I fasted the same way but I ate normally 1-2 days a week so I never experienced telogen effluvium.
>hair follicles have estrogen receptors that elongate the anagen phase and massively amp up growth>every mtf comes out the other end with a full head of hair even if they were approaching NW5 beforebeing male is suffering
>>18559505His DHT levels are 0 with fin and HRT + diffuse thinning recovery standards. It's impressive but totally doable without going off the deep end.
