quality/value? better alternatives?
>>18559204Just get a pair of Scafora and stop being a fucking retard who ingurgitates whatever fucking meme is trendy right now on jewtube and lemen’sgazette you pathetic internet-addicted idiot. Always remember: your parents did not give you any education and you are walking among the ruins of civilization.
>>18559204It's a reputable shoemaker. TLB Mallorca is another Spanish maker and usually a bit cheaper, but considered one of the best price/quality value.
>>18559204That vamp is too long. Looks like literal shit.
>>18559204bite the bullet and go for the gucci
I've got a pair. The sizing is absolutely absurd. I'm a full 1.5 sizes down and they're still too big unless I wear thick socks and add padding. And this is after a brief store try on (then had them order the color I wanted).If you buy a pair make sure you know how loafers should fit, don't take the sizing numbers seriously at all, make sure you spend a lot of time in store. Don't order them online.If I had to do it over again I'd probably have just gotten AEs even though they're not as "nice" and they're not known for loafers. At least they have a generous exchange policy and the store staff are autistic about getting the fit correct. Carmina store guy wasn't helpful at all, it was just like "how's that feel, ok? ok!" and then goes on to hover over other customers who aren't even acknowledging him but I guess they looked chinese so he figured they were going to buy one in every color. I've literally gotten better help at Foot Locker.
>>18559368>AEs even though they're not as "nice" and they're not known for loafersNot even remotely true.
>>18559371What part did I get wrong, the "nice" part, or the loafers part? I've got a lot more AEs (lost count but probably had close to 10 pairs in my life) than Carmina (2 pairs including the loafers). The AEs are just more workhorsey-type shoes, to me. And I don't have a single pair of AE loafers, so there's some ignorance on my part there.
>>18559371Something tells me I'm not getting an answer on this.
>>18559376>The AEs are just more workhorsey-type shoesWhat do you mean by that? That they are resistant and durable?>And I don't have a single pair of AE loafers, so there's some ignorance on my part there.What I meant is that I disagree that they're not known for loafers. AE loafers are very widespread in the preppy tradition and they seem to have a popular and distinctive shape.
>>18559412Nice timing. Yeah by "less nice" I mean they're just more like everyday shitkickers. My leather sole carminas had, if I recall correctly, brass nails in the toe and closed-channel stitching. The heel area feels like it's got some extra shock absorption, not sure what it's made from, that I have never gotten in any pair of AEs.AEs are still comfortable mind you but Carminas are a step above in that area.As far as the AE loafers are concerned, what model would you consider to be the quintessential AE preppy loafer? To me the only really iconic loafers in preppy land are Gucci (for people who don't have a problem with the strong brand image) and Bass (neutral in terms of expression of financial status). Sure there's iconic brands like AE and Alden but I don't think of loafers when I think of those brands.
>>18559420>AEs are still comfortable mind you but Carminas are a step above in that area.Yeah but just in a sense that they feel like luxury (and not even that much to be frank, they're certainly not Italian handmade loafers) vs. actual long-lasting quality of the American shoe-making tradition. Carmina merely hovers in that middle ground that I mostly despise.>what model would you consider to be the quintessential AE preppy loafer?AE Kenwood, and to a lesser extent Cavanaugh and Randolph. In general I don't feel like horsebit loafers are really preppy. Exactly because they scream luxury (especially if they're Guccis) they don't match that casual vibe of vintage everyday fashion. Damn, even a pair of Rancourt loafers can look more preppy than Gucci's. What other brands do you think would work for that classic aesthetic?
>>18559204I own two pairs, including those exact ones you posted in dark brown Carmina is very good. You could get shoes from them and be set and never feel like you need better If you are wanting their horsebit loafers, they're very narrow, just FYI
>>18559442based info poster, thanks. how is the sizing in terms of other shoes? i wear a US 10 in normal sneakers, what do you think i should get? above poster said the sizing is fucked up
>>18559458I only own loafers from them and so I can't chime in on sizing for oxfords or derbies I am 8.5D US on a brannock and my horsebits are 7UK. So I converted from US to UK and then down half a size. That other faggot complaining about the size doesn't realize US/UK sizing is different and that's why the sizing is so far apart. US to UK is a full size apart I originally didn't size half down and they were too big, so I moved them on on eBay and got another pair half size down and they do fit, but they are narrow! I don't know if Carmina does wide sizes but if I were to get them again I'd go wider if they offer it. They're not too tight in the toes, but in the instepMy other pair of loafers is their Genova last which I believe they discontinued, so I won't comment on them Pic is my pair
>>18559319they recently changed sperries to look like this too. idk, some how someone got the idea this looks better. probably meant to appeal to jeets
>>18559475thanks fren, very helpful. also lmao at the sizing issue just being a uk->us thing.
>>18559560Almost anytime you hear someone complaining about sizing being crazy and "going 1.5 sizes down" it's because they had to convert US to UK
>>18559475Those ones in the pic are goodyear welted?
>>18559576Blake stitched. I wouldn't want GYW horsebit loafers they'd be too stiff and heavy
>>18559204>>18559213Get Gucci Loafer.
>>18559213You probably thought this was so funny and edgy
>>18559689Funny and edgy is constantly and actively ignoring stuff because you only gobble down like a NPC whatever on the internet gets more attention, whether that is "views" or "comments". Handstitched loafers from brands that have been existing for more than half a century are objectively better than >le indie newish brand talked about by my tiktokers of reference, and often cost only a hundred bucks more or so. You spoke like a retard: many such cases.
>>18559696>Gucci >hand stitched loafersthey cement the soles on and don't even line them with leather1k for a $150 shoe
>>18559701I wasn't talking about Gucci, you FUCKING RETARD. A real loafer is a Scafora, a Meccariello, a Bemer, or something by the F.lli Rossetti. I'm not saying Carmina is bad, but their reputation has grown solely and exclusively through internet marketing. They lack tradition, they're just some indie dude brand and as such it's far from being the highest quality.
For me its doc marten Adrian tassel horsebit loafers in oxblood
>>18559475>>18559560>That other faggot complaining about the size doesn't realize US/UK sizing is different and that's why the sizing is so far apart. US to UK is a full size apart Other faggot here again. I thought I said before but I see I merely implied it indirectly, so let me say more directly: I have Carmina oxfords with a leather sole, and Carmina loafers with a rubber sole. That's what I'm comparing, not multiple Carmina loafers (which everyone-is-stupid-except-me did), or some random Nikes to some random Carminas.Now, it's possible that Carmina themselves changed their numbering, since these were purchased many years apart in two different stores (old Carmina store in the Roosevelt Hotel vs the new one on Madison across from Jeffries). But in favor of the sizing being just weird:1. My habit has always been to tell store people my EU size and let them figure the rest out, precisely because it skips the inevitable "what brand" or "is that US or UK"2. Carmina to Carmina, as mentioned, and3. For the loafers, which were purchased years later, I remember the guy having to return for ever smaller sizes many more times than normal, and even he seemed surprisedAnd just to prove that I have no life and I'm arguing over shoes on 4chan on a Friday night, I went and put them next to each other, and, just as I remembered, the loafers are quite a bit smaller.I look forward to your reply tomorrow since you're probably at a club doing coke and banging hot bitches right now.
>>18559754not reading this shit. fuck off retard
>>18559751You know Carmina has been making shoes since 1866 right? Longer than those brands you mentioned
>>18559779nta and no dog in this fight but brands claiming to be ancient should always be viewed with skepticism, safest to assume it's all like "house of creed since 1066 AD" when in fact it's only been around since like 1991
>>18559329why exactly? as someone in this thread said their quality does not match the price, but is he even correct? I am asking, because I intended to get a pair from Gucci actually
>>18560251Yeah you're a fucking retard
>>18560436Would you care to buy a bridge?
>>18560440What?!
>>18559204carmina is very good. meermin is like 1/3 of the price and, while not quite as good, is better value and still very high quality for the price.
>>18560523Meermin is on the same level as Scarosso. Get Myrqvist or Morjas, if you want to stick with those brands.
>>18560523Meermin is good but not great. If you're just looking for some good GYW shoes, then Meermin is totally fineBut to GYW and nice shoe enthusiasts, Meermin will let you down. The leather isn't that great, the finishing is laughable, the hard plastic heel stiffeners are unacceptable But the someone just wanting a nice pair of shoes to wear to the office, Meermin is totally fine
>>18560549What are the good quality alternatives to their taupe suede penny loafers? AE Randolphs in Pewter suede? Rancourt beefrolls? Carmina shoe shapes are dogshit.
>>18560553you're not gonna get anything similar for cheaper. meermin is the floori'd just get the meermins if you really like the color and the suede
>>18560576Based retard
>>18560595Okay what is GYW with leather insoles for sub 200? Go on, we'll wait
>>18560739interesting how anon was so adamant calling people retard but then ran away scared
