Why did male fashion undergo debimboification and how do we fix this tragedy?
>>18560651we already did, those who want to dress like this can dress like this if they put their mind to itbut the thing is, what Beau Brummell did for mens fashion shouldn't be discounted as making it "boring", he democratized mens fashion for more men, and eventually men from all classes, and began a codification of rules, standards, and tropes that evolved into what we now understand as 21st century menswear, which is a broad palette with a large enough pool of cultural signifiers, contributed by all social classes and corners of the world, that one can communicate nearly anything they wish to about themselves with the right choice of clothing.That isn't to say I'd be against a "re-bimbofication" of male fashion that doesn't veer into outright crossdressing, but personally, I like the elegance of a 21st century formal suit, and I think that style of clothing paired with makeup, wigs, and a more effeminate but not gaudy sensibility towards colors, patterns, and hairstyles is a lovely aesthetic that I'd love to see more of in the world.
>>18560651https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Male_Renunciation
>>18560723>one >themselvesHimself. We're talking about men here, not trannies.
>>18560778You fucking idiot, do you know anything about engli-...wait a minute, I don't have to waste my time getting angry over bait posts. I don't even like 18th century fashion!
>>18560846The topic is about men you filthy tranny. When you're talking about men even when using the word "one", you say himself, not themselves which itself is a plural. Fucking tranny brained subhumans can't even speak basic English anymore.
>>185606514 is best tbqh famalam
>>18560651The sword and walking stick should be reversed. 1 lived in a time of real duels to the death and can and did kill people in them, by the time of 5 you used pistols and it was lame and gay.
>>18560852thissimpler yet still playful
>>18560858> real duels to the deathThe only thing (you) have ever duelled with is somebody else's penis
>>18560846lel
>>18560651I'm not sure what happened can be fixed, fashion is at the mercy of the few which imbue to the fifthly masses
>>18560989
>>18560849Do you also cry because "you" went from plural to singular back in the 17th century?
>>18561032I do
>>18561032Are you too much of tranny to speak proper English, especially as a man, when addressing another man? What kind of a tranny dilator compelled you to do the they/them tranny routine when normal men say himself when using "one" with reference to a man?
>>18560849>NOOOO ENGAGE IN MY RAGEBAIT I NEED YOU TO BE AS MISERABLE AS I AM
>>18561040Why do you speak bastardized English and not proper English from centuries ago?
>>18560956yeah because I'm not a cool old timey fop who actually killed people while peacocking better than any modern man. When I say we must retvrn to tradition this is what i mean.
post more feminine men in suits
>>18561177Why do you insist on talking like a subhuman tranny?
golden age
>>18561657Nice curtains.
>>18561638
>>18560651beau brummell was right
I really wish it was still fashionable to wear capes. You know what, fuck it. I might just start wearing a cape. I'll bring it back.
>>18560651>bimboificationthis made me think, you associate dressing in expensive and delicate clothing with stupidity, but to me it's the opposite. if you put no effort into your appearance and wear something like a gray tshirt and a pair of dirty overalls, you're like a child or an animal. it also takes more mental capacity to succeed at life enough to be able to wear expensive and intricate clothing and accessories.
>>18561823I was thinking more in terms of being "slutty and flamboyant". Good to know you have an insanely dim view of common people though
were i a noble backwhen i would dress like descartes or spinoza. all black, black stockings, hits of white and silver on my cuffs and buckled shoes respectively. i never knew why some of them went for this. maybe they were chuds and didnt like the feminine fashions of the day.
>>18562417It's a good look, still
>>18562431
>>18560723>what Beau Brummell did for mens fashion shouldn't be discounted as making it "boring", he democratized mens fashion for more men, and eventually men from all classes, and began a codification of rules, standards, and tropes that evolved into what we now understand as 21st century menswear, which is a broad palette with a large enough pool of cultural signifiers, contributed by all social classes and corners of the world, that one can communicate nearly anything they wish to about themselves with the right choice of clothing.yeah no it's super boring
>>18562417if youre a noble make sure you can fight in battle.
>>18561638you have to be utterly deranged to think this aesthetic.
>>18562865nah
>>18563015If he didn’t have that hair, he would look like a pedo magician. His hair is like 50% of his outfit.
>>18563016and?
>>18562329common people used to dress in a way that would probably be considered flamboyant by today's standards, even if it was considered basic back then. nowadays the masculine default is a beerbellied skinnyfat man wearing a graphic t-shirt, a faded half open zip up hoodie, cheap jeans and old dirty sneakers.
>>18563262You're joking, right? Common people wore shitty earth-toned stuff, because colors before synthetic dyes and all that weren't affordable at all for the common man and like 99% lived in what today would be considered poverty. These days it would be considered a larp, not "flamboyant" lmao.
>>18560651If you want to dress like this then you should. I wear a kaleidoscope of colors, silks, and 10lb of jewelry every day and I get endless compliments. Women especially love it. I'm not a cute twink either I'm a large, overweight, bearded man with the hair of a homeless guy. Throw on a ruffle, drink often, and carry yourself confidently, then this style will be better for you than any of the retarded bullshit you'll hear on this board.
>>18564886>Common people wore shitty earth-toned stuff,That's bullshit fantasy history peddled by (((hollywood))). Medieval people wore plenty of colorful clothing, not just in Europe but the entire world. Natural plant based dyes weren't all that expensive in the medieval times because people were surrounded by nature and farms. The expensive ones were usually mineral dyes.
>>18560723if moids crossdressed, they'd be hotter. but moids dont wanna be hotter, they wanna whine>>18560989howd he make his hair do that lmfao
>>18565196Retard, everything women wear today was originally men's clothing. They've been doing nothing but cross dress for decades.
>>18565196>howd he make his hair do that lmfaoOne heavy strike from a firepoker.
>>18560651>debimboificationGoogle "The Great Male Renunciation."
>>18560858>can and did kill people in themand would then be charged with murder
>>18565196>howd he make his hair do thatwig
Somewhat related fit for my bro's wedding. Was going for a bootleg red carpet fruitlord look with a Western hint. Ended up looking a touch funereal as everyone was in tans and blues
>>18565213only if the cops could keep up with them
>>18565429you need to mew and get down to like 8-10% bodyfat, or start working out. depends on where you want to go with this look. but you can't stay here.
>>18565429i'd recommend some proper high waisted dress pants, or some lower rise jeans, the middle ground doesn't work here>>18565818yeah what he said
>>18565429How much do you mourn the fact that your bro is getting married?Don't wear black for celebrationsI don't like what's going on at the knees and above of your pantsthe length is fine though.
>>18567887>>18565907>>18563015>>18561638hazbin/vivziepop brainrot bullshit
>>18560852Indeed. Shortening the waistcoat/vest was the right idea that just made it all come together perfectly.
>>18560651I assume dressing like a flamboyant faggot had more to do with aristocrat men wanting to flex their wealth? So the modern equivalent to that would be shit like gangsta rappers wearing expensive clothes and jewelry.
>>18568052obesity speaks. dandies fuck hotter women than you ever will, toad.
>>18568179i'm fit and I don't like to wear heavy clothes because they hide my gains plus it's hot as fuck the whole year where I live
>>18568189you're fat.
>>18567896i was just getting to that, as it happens
>>18568412
>>18560743I'm bringing it back, homies.
>>18568414I'm with you. Fuck boring clothing.
>>18565196>whining about whiningVery boomer minded.
>>18560989>fashion is at the mercy of the few which imbue to the fifthly massesThe lost of colours and volume in mens' clothing is 100% the fault of Geroge Brummell and George IV.
>>18565429Wrong shirt size, those sleeves are WAY too long.
>>18568950its literally fine what are you on aboutdo you think picrel is the correct length?
>>18560651Because everyone hated Louis he was a fucking weirdo faggot that got too tyrannicalim glad it changed because coat napoleonic military inspired drapes are where its at, its masculine and cool and edge how a man should be. Not a faggot that gets easily triggered and attempts to kill the opposition then masculine men raise against you and kill you, rightfully so, for being a faggot.
>>18561333Checked, at least you didn't deny it, respect anon, for being proud of your hobbies
>>18568948Is it really still his fault? Nobody dresses like that anymore, most people dress like homeless people. Actually I take that back I've seen homeless people better dressed than half the population.
>>18569584Too short, actually. They're sized for each other but your wrist shouldn't be so far away from the cuffs. Get your jacket altered and get a new shirt. Make sure to get the last cuff button moved to the front. Do MTO/MTM on the shirt if you're in between sizes. Your collar points are way too small in general so you need a new shirt anyway. You have the same issue RFK has with his collar. The points should reach your lapels.
>>18568948Men were wearing plenty of colors and patterns throughout the 1950s-2000s. It's only zoomers and millennials who stopped wearing colors in the name of "muh minimalism". Now the only thing these cucks wear are white, grey and black, and navy blue if they were feeling a bit bold that day.https://youtu.be/1u5Gkh2t1ZI?t=5
>>18569584What the fuck is that collar, genuinely baffled at how small it is, the tie doesn't fit underneath it, never seen something like that beforeWhen bending your arm at the elbow at 90 degrees the edge of the cuffs should cover your wrist bone.while the balance of shirt sleeve to jacket sleeve is correct, they are a size too smallThe pants are still too short even though you're wearing heels which follows a bit different rules.
>>18571875>>18571879i was posting this in jest to make fun of the idea the sleeves were "too long"this isn't my fit, i saved it from another thread ages ago
>>18571878I sometimes like to wear red. It's like you say "I am here for the Sex."
>>18571878The Peacock Revolution happened once; we can make it happen again!
Would it be too gay to get a suit with shoulder pads and a snatched waist?
>>18573826depends on gay you're okay with looking
>>18573826Gay? Nah. It just sounds fun and bold to me.
>>18573812Yes. Say no to zoomer and millennial cuckold fashion. Boomers had more style and balls than all the succeeding cuck generations combined.
>>18573879 >>18573812this style but with cute pale feminine twinks with anime hair is what i wanna see in the world
>>18573922David Bowie core.
It looked like shit and it was a shithole period.
male fashion is pretty gay today, not because of the clothes, but because men aren't men anymore. you can dress androgynously and still be manly, it's just how you present yourself. look at someone in the realms of mick jagger, later era david bowie, new wave artists and even prince. people nowadays just don't know how to dress therefore, they have no realm to experiment. fashion is about balance and creativity.
>>18573879Unironically true. I wish men still dressed like this.
>>18573879the 60s was cringe>>18568948this can work but combined with modern pants, coat open, make it a frock coat, make the boots non-horse riding boots regular solid color t-shirt underneath or a button up and a tie, you cna keep the neckerchief just another style more cowboy western maybeand thats it u are wokstar, modern dandy
>>18574389Boomers were based when they were young.
This is what peak male fashion looks like.
>>18560651the average male became poor>No eyelashesRich men stopped showing opulence just to be relatable>"It's okay anon, money is gay"
>>18574803YES
>>18575092became Protestant*which means "totally sans-serif / beyond stale / anti-aesthetics / anti-beauty / anti-style"
>>18561813
>>18567896I looked it up, why did you know this?You must be gay if you knew this was a thing
>>18574803That lazy bastard sits on a throne all day, if he were to do any work the outfit would get in the way
>>18576476no, just under the age of 30
>>18574351too much>>18574225>>18573935>>18573879too normie and boringJust do modern dandy style with napoleonic inspired styles
>>18568948>the fault of Geroge Brummell and George IV.didnt it actually start in franace?
>>18562417>>18562431so kind of like the blackadder? seems really fitting for a chud of that time
>>18576516>didnt it actually start in franace?It started in America with the puritans and Revolutionary war.
>>18568414>What is looksmaxxing?
>>18565183>Brown men with afros and white womenwth i thought medievel people were based?
you don't
>>18578191I don't need to know who this is to know that he is most certainly French.
>>18578371the most spanish looking man ever
>>18578405That's Cardinal Richelieu; the most French man ever.
>>18561813Do it. It needs to happen.
>>18580224I fucking called it.
>>18560651In my attempt to be flamboyant, I bought a pair of burgundy, almost red brogues. I have now been informed that there is a conspiracy theory tying pedo shit to wearing red shoes. I guess now we see if a schizo is going to shoot me in the head over this.
>>18580234I've never heard of that. It sounds like something only the most terminally online people would believe, and they'll never go outside and see your shoes anyway. Red brogues sound awesome, by the way.
>>18580234What now, little man?
>>18574803You dweebs definitely been playing too much elden ring or castlevania
>>18561032It is actually one of the greatest tragedies of the English language, along with the disappearance of þ, leading directly to ersatz abominations such as "'y'all" and "you guys" and such. Just tragic.
>>18580595I've been playing Ender Magnolia, thank you very much.
>>18580537Peak male footwear.
>>18576477Cope and seethe, peasant.
>>18560651only the very rich dress frilly like thatcoat shirt trousers had been the standard for the everyman long before the great renunciation
>>18561813i know some old redneck who wears one hunting, uses a flintlock toonever seen him in blaze orange though, i guess sometimes you have to break the law to stay effay
I wore these today. I was thinking of replacing the laces with ribbon laces, because I refuse to renounce the right to be beautiful. Fuck the notion that men only exist for our "utility".
>>18560651Here's an idea. A lot of male fashion comes from military clothing. Now, after the Renunciation, clothes became more muted, but military dress did not. We can steal certain things from military dress and give it our own little code of things that they mean, things like cords, beret and flash, and colors. Depending on the style, tights, high heels, and feathers are a possibility. We just have to tweak it.
>>18581750>ZOMGGG IS THAT A COLOR AND NOT JUST WHITE OR GREY???!1!! THATS FLAMBOYANT AS FUCK NIGGA
>>18581754No, anon. I just like how that particular Soldier looks because it's the odd military uniform that is tight. It was designed by Franco's wife, by the way. But Soldiers have cords that mean certain things depending on their country, their flash on the beret is their regiment and so on, so why can't we go with baroque meanings of things like flowers used to have? Have rings on your jacket? How many? That can mean something. Have a cord? What color, what shoulder? That can mean something too. We can even do tights, anon.
>>18581750The Sixties has you covered.
>>18583547Groovy, baby.
>>18560743>inspired by the ideals of the Enlightenmentreason #25613 to hate the ""Enlightenment""
>>18583579The "enlightenment" was more like enkikement of western culture by shoving materialism, utilitarianism and commie degeneracy into everything. Anglokikes were the biggest peddlers of it.
>>18560743It's time to renounce the renunciation.
>>18584280I love this
>>18560651Only wealthy men dressed like this. Now rich people like to cosplay the poor so this would never happen again.
>>18584292Nah
>>18584294No he's right. Society got rich enough that men couldn't distinguish themselves by being able to afford purple, so the fashion had to change
>>18584309I like to wear dark purple, you can't stop me.
>>18584324no but I can laugh at you
>>18584362I will reciprocate
everything modern is better than everything before and after.
>>18584964>dude, weed.Degenerate scum
Embroidery is cheaper than ever these days. Why don't we get more beautifully embroidered clothing?
>>18585805Honestly, that is something to start doing fucking now, man. I would like patterns on my sleeves, collar, and back.
>>18585805I do think embroidery will return with a vengeance once it's just a little bit cheaper
>>18585805Because most people are boring and just want cheap shit
>>18585812True, but that's not going to stop me from wanting something better.
>>18565900>like hell he went to Harvard, the man wears a pink suit!
>>18585855I didn't go to Harvard either. Therefore I reserve the right to wear a pink suit.
>>18584284
>>18586304Is that car huge or is that man very short?
>>18586440Robert Redford is 5'10", so I'm guessing that the artist just drew the car huge to make the magazine cover more dramatic.
>>18584280>It's time to renounce the renunciation.Aryan chads never needed to.
>>18561640Imagine being so mind broken by trannies you can't engage with anyone's talking points. You are a lost cause Anon. You're no help to any side.
>>18585812Most people are such boring NPCs that they don't even want to wear colors and patterns, let alone embroidery. Look anywhere and all you'll see is hordes of NPCs dressed in plain whites, grays and blacks, and not even in proper clothes but gym clothes.
>>18586457Holy Based that's fine. If I tried to wear that I'd look like Justin Trudeau doing his dumb cosplay though.
>>18586461That's only because they've been conditioned to believe that there's no alternatives. I think a lot of men secretly want to be flamboyant but are scared of standing out from the herd. If we start dressing with more flair, then these men might realize that they can dress up too.
>>18586456So, what can a white Aryan learn from my Indian cousins? I'll look like an absolute tool if I just straight up wear traditional Indian clothing. Is there anything that I can tastefully incorporate into my wardrobe?
>>18586605Honestly, m8, a bit more refinement, and it could work. Maybe not the whole garb, but what about a couple of pieces?
>>18586614Damn, the Sixties were the best. I wish I could have lived in Swinging London.
>>18586614Where 2 cop poncho on left
>>18586614someone make this pic into a wojak
>>18586440>>18586454It really was that big. That's pretty normal with high-end cars of the era, they were basically built like today's trucks since they hadn't really figured out unibody construction yet, engines were extremely inefficient so they needed to be gigantic to have decent power, and most roads sucked back then so they needed big tires and lots of ground clearance.
>>18587209Very aesthetic, even though I tend to hate large vehicles
>>18587209Interesting. Thanks.
>>18572010>>18571875Lol you lot are fucking gay
We are so back. Let the Great Return begin!
>>18588834If all men looked and dressed like this there would be no fertility crisis
>>18560651Shifting societal views basically - men were meant to be entirely rational and ascetic in appearance. There are multiple movements challenging this but it’s probably unrealistic to have a mass return to something like the grand styles of dress in the 1730s; people are simply too stuck in their ways.
>>18563015>>18565907this dude wants to be david sylvian so bad LOL>>18565429is it me or do you have a long neck, makes your shoulders look narrow
>>18590396There actually will be. Most men will be too busy raping the bussies of other men dressed in these zesty outfits because they'll think they are women. There will be chaos and madness everywhere. So careful what you wish for.
>>18565900How does he look so masculine wearing pink? I think this is the true test. Wear something batshit insane and still look masculine in it and you're good to go.
>>18593122Pink was originally a masculine color until the 1800s.
>>18593177It still is if you're not a bitch about it
>>18592127Okay but why is black and blue rational?
>>18594498NTA but it's because black and blue (and even brown) aren't flashy colors. They don't screaming for attention. They're subtle and understated, so the focus will be more on you, your character and your behavior instead of being stolen by your clothes. You could also use something like white or beige, but they get dirty easily. So darker colors are the logical choice and why whites are usually worn on the inside, like the shirt of a suit.
>>18594523I see. Lets hope we can fix that in the modern era
I needed to get a new scarf and winter hat lately and mum was like buy grey or black son but I thought I don't want black or grey because they are boring and everybody wears them and I am a bit gay anyway so I got a white comfy beanie and beige-brown patterned scarf did I do good brosI think she wants me to wear more masculine stuff but in her mind masculine equals dark and muted blacks and greys
>>18594567Yes. You did good. Fuck the pathetic NPC trend of wearing only grey and black. You could have gone even further and bought a red, blue or a multicolored scarf to add some highlight and a contrasting piece to your outfit.
>>18569890what is this materiallooks comfy
>>18560651>how do we fix this tragedyWe already did: Sexcore. Hve sex.
>>18594673those are the worst pants I've ever seen
>>18594648Looks like velvet.
>>18581724cute>>18584280luv it>>18586457Nice outfits, unless the ethnicity matches you look like a cosplayer though>>18588834nice>>18594673terrible, makes the legs look incredibly scrawny
>>18560846>i don't even like 18th century fashiondoes your mom know you wear panties that match your sandals and socks>>18560651when male peacocking became less in fashion and being a "good member of society" became more valuable then being a western kabukimono
