I dont know if this is the right board but it is the only board with fashion heads that have enough sense to think about this question. ive noticed men online tend to be 50/50 over this subculture and view it as either :>disgusting pedo fashion>tradwaifu fashionI wear it myself, i am into lolita fashion from the late 80s to 2010 and i am curious if people actually do find it attractive/nice to look at on people. if you do, feel free to reply with why / whatever specific substyle u can think of , questions are okay too, i just wanna hear it from a mans point of view
I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with it and it can look good. it's just that liking a style of fashion and making a hobby of it doesn't mean you actually have a good sense for aesthetics, so with lolita most end up looking like the female equivalent of an autistic guy in an ill fitting suit and tie trying to be "classy" and failing horribly.as to specifics, I think virtually every lolita dress I've seen using graphic prints looks tacky as hell, solid fabrics work much better. and a well defined waist can make a nice silhouette, a lot lolita outfits look like a big A and are kinda shapeless. makes you look fat.
i honestly cant think of any other fashion style that is more obviously by women for women and more or less completely sex-less. so yeah 90% of men will find lolita unattractive or weirdly off putting and the remaining 10% will probably troon out in the next 5 years. sorry but that's just how i feel as a man and this is coming from a guy that's into fashion and even knows what the fuck BTSSB is.
>>18568023i appreciate your honesty anon ! it is a pretty sexless fashion to look at unless your looking at ero lolita... ( even then i think ero is ita in style not in concept, i hate 99% the looks within this substyle ) ( `д´*)
>>18568016yeah, i agree , too many lolitas stick their noses and be all hoity toity about this stuff when its just cute skirts and dresses at the end of the day when it comes to prints, I hate graphic, they are soulless , early commercial prints are the best imo >picrel is 99 emily temple cute s/s releasetoo many modern lolitas rely on a line jsks ive noticed because they r fat ! its unfortunate because a-line usually looks great with a sinched blouse. . .that and poorly fitting taobao pieces.
>>18567997I don't know why but anyone I've met so far with this fashion style either is mentally unstable and insane or out of shape slobs, or both.
>>18567997Lolitas are all universally whores. Show me one, and I will show you a girl that has cheated on her relationships, sold pussy to get the next dress, and is all-around a shitty person. Do not wear that shit if you want to be a respectable member of society.
>>18567997i was friends with a couple that wore full lolita outfits they made themselves every day back in high school. everyone thought they were lesbians but the one with shorter hair was a boy. they used to sit at my lunch table and never socialized with anyone other than each other but when i finally got them talking they were pretty chill. i'll always remember these people because their fits were cool as hell.
>>18569049brand whores will do anything to get brand so im not surprised by what your saying, japanese lolitas were known to sell themselves for the fashion too (in niche spaces)
>>18569053i am so jealous, i feel like that time period for lolita fashion, between 1995 to 2015 at the latest was just perfect, i was too young for it at the time but looking back at the communities that existed and the effort that people used to put into these subcultures makes my heart swell
>>18567997yes, it is attractive. by modern standards, any fashion that doesn't involve covering yourself in horrid tattoos or copying your basic bitch uniform from instagram is very attractive.
>>18567997it is if you learn to combine it with normal clothing. they call it ita i think some shit like thatjust dont go to casual places looking like dorothy of a frilly dress all socially retarded missing the point
>>18568865>modern comms in a nutshell
>>18569869i think you would like casual lolita if you hate girls wearin frilly stuff day to day :Pwearing a t shirt with a skirt n calling it a day is great . oldschool casual is best casual, modern is ugly to me . also nice pic bury smart ! I like the jacket's buttons
>>18569866good to know anon !
>>18567997men don't really work like that, if you're not fat and super chopped they'll probably find you attractive, obviously they're not going to lust over you as much as they do someone barely wearing anything, but that's a givenmen don't like clothes, they like womensome feminist types will also view you as sad an abused into becoming a doll for pedophilic men, but personally i think it's less objectifying than a lot of modern clothingi like it, but im a troon and part of that 10% in the other anon's posti don't wear it, obviously, since id look disgusting and probably get arrested
>>18567997Why did nips look so ugly in the 00s compared to today?
>>18567997
>>18567997I like classic and some gothic, stuff that leans more into the "Elegant" in "EGL." Not into frilly pastel cupcake bullshit. My ex wore lolita (not on a regular basis though, just for events) and had good taste in it, and it's one of the few things I miss about her. >>18569049 is right about the cheating, at least with that girl. As for why, I just have a taste for classy aristocratic-looking aesthetics and historically-inspired fashions in general. It's not really a sexual thing and definitely not a pedo one, though it can be hot if paired with something sexy underneath.
>>18569997aa i think so too when it comes to objectification ! its apart of why i wear it desu , and ur right on about feminists, either they coddle you or look at you funny because hyperfemninity can only be presented through a sexual lense nowadays.
>>18570057less makeup and photo filters, :P
>>18570145classic is an underrated subculture, i like gothic but i tend to lean 4 a gothic sweet look mostly , i look strange trying to go full spooky mode. That dress reminds me of the mallory op by victorian maiden , i think u would like that brand anon
>>18570938Yeah Victorian Maiden is really good too. They and Mary Magdalene are related, former people from one created the other though I can't remember which came first. I'm not a big fan of the full spooky white makeup etc. stuff either for what it's worth, not sure "gothic sweet" is the way to describe it but I prefer a more subtle, natural look as well. Sadly unless things have changed they have very restrictive sizing, both of the girls I've dated who wore lolita were in shape but those brands basically only work for tiny flat Asian girls.
Suspicious bread.
>>18571353i feel grateful for being short , i own plenty of vintage pieces from jap brands that tend to run small, bury beautiful pieces !!!!!!!!
>>18567997I'm married to a woman who likes lolita fashion. Sometimes she'll send me a picture like the one in OP and I think it would look awful on her, especially since she is taller and thicker than the Japanese women and I think she looks best in dresses that don't hide her waist. I think that clothes like >>18570145 and >>18570938 are far more flattering.
>>18572429>I'm married to a woman who likes lolita fashionYou poor sod.
>>18572429aaaa sweet !!! yeah I think pieces that highlight the waist tend to look better on tall women
>>18567997ime as someone who also wears old school pretty much daily, alt guys and weebs tend to be into it. it definitely depends on the substyle (modern ap sweet will probably attract ddlg creeps, trad larpers might be into classic, etc) and if you're thin/attractive in general. a big portion of the western lolita community is made up of fat genderspecial itas unfortunately.
>>18572429>>I'm married to a woman who likes lolita fashionHotdoes she make japanese girl noises when you rub her cooch?
>>18569940thanks thats a super old fit, i can do one way way better with similar concepts that one is literally from like 10 years ago when i was a teen
>>18574380oldschool twins!!!!!! i avoid ap sweet like the plague, its just so tacky to me especially when it comes to the printsAlso...the genderspecial itas....true......its the main reason why I dont engage in comms because half of them are middle aged cross dressers
>>18574539man ....you were so cool I wish i had photos from my experimentation stages, although im kinda glad i looked fugly
>>18575718when you are young you just do random shit and you are just discovering what you like. I have found out that a modern (NON-AUTISTIC) version of Dandy is what suits me. Basically keep the classic focus of of the Coats of the Napoleonic and Industrial Revolution Era but don't wear anything else like that because it will be too ill fitting or look too gay and uncool. A fit needs to have some edge. So keep the same concept, Frock Coat type lenght, dark shades, curdory pants, you can even wear it with black jeans if they are dark enough, t-shirt or button up, add some rockerish accesories like a neckerchief tied on your wrist or your neck, some accesories if you want skull rings, edgy shit, a steel chain collar, whatever you get what i mean. Fusion of: Napoleonic, Edgy SLP styles and Dandy in a modern context. You will look elegant but try to not overdress for the place you are going. It's a nice fit for dates during Winter.>Pic RelatedYes looks autistic but I want you to look at it, then ditch the dumb autistic looking ideas of the fits here and adapt it to Modernity, you will figure out how, it aint hard. The main idea is basically something like that.
this is closer to what i mean in >>18576515
>>18567997the vast majority that wear the stuff don't look good and would be better off wearing a normal outfit. also they're usually mentally ill
>>18577266>also they're usually mentally illThats the best part though
>>18576515I tend to just stick to cardigans w a blouse + jsk/skirt or duffel coats and same formula, I think blazers can only be pulled off in matching sets and it is hard to get matching sets within lolita nowadays. especially second handi tried a blazer look once and looked like a child wearing business wear, its a shame because the blazer was brand :[I wear jeans sometimes aswell, i have some normal clothes however I try to make lolita look as normie as I can.
>>18569664>>18569049All women who are into fashion are like this, in the late 70s in Japan, there was another fashion trend which I forget the name of, it ended with "zoku" though I know that much, but they were notorious for selling their bodies so they could afford to buy the outfits they wanted, of course STDs skyrocketed because of that but it was mostly contained within that particular scene as far as I know.
>>18577703I just find it funny how western lolitas have a habit of denying it and treating the subculture like a chastity belt despite the fact japanese lolitas literally fetishised the fashion for fun>picrel is lolita pub bondage show from 2003
Never in my life will I be able to get over>tfw no EGL gf
>>18577720you will get one soon anon im sure! i believe in you
>>18577721Nah, there's probably fewer than a hundred of them in the entire country and none in my shitholy neck of the woods.And I am far too autistic and socially incompetent to get a gf in the first place.Oh well.Good for my wallt, that burando is expensive.
Maid outfits are just workwear for women.
>>18577718on one hand i get the kneejerk reaction of completely divorcing the fashion from any fetishy elements because we have the issue of ugly old agp trannies trying to insert themselves into our spaces, but it's really annoying that most of the western community will completely infantilize japanese women with the whole "noooo they didn't know about the book when they coined the term lolita" tirade and so on when you have a brand named after de sade characters, artists like trevor brown featured heavily in the gothic and lolita bible, the fashion stemming from gothic and fetish clubbing scenes, lolitas at the time being stereotyped as self harming edgelords, etc. the oversanitization of everything these days kills a part of the charm for me. today's lolitas would have an aneurysm if they saw this kek https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IWD7tlFABI
>>18578086you know game nona/anon...... that issue of glb is my favourite I love trevor brown too much + YES INFANTALISATION OF THIS FASHION IS ANNOYING, at the end of the day its clothes, im not a nun for wearing cute dresses, sanitization is the worst, I love seeing street snaps of lolitas featuring fetish wear, it inspires my own coords sometimes whenever I go out clubbing/drinking 4 normie funI just dont get how these feminists are unable to see how anti choice this mindset is for people who preach freedom all the time
>>18567997this thread is probably better suited for /cgl/ just a tip
>>18578179no offence but cgl is full of moid haters and I specifically wanted a male view, whats the point in asking women if lolita is attractive to men when they will screech about it from a womans pov?
>>18578086Ageplay/ABDL etc. wierdoes are a big issue too. That said though, I think the much bigger factor is that a lot of the most dominant voices in the Western lolita community are middle-aged women who've had bad experiences with men and responded with extreme misandry and generalizing the entire sex (if you ask me, it's because they can't admit to themselves that they got tricked or ignored red flags or whatever), and making the entire fashion/subculture/hobby into some kind of WGTOW thing and interpreting any attention or interest from men in the worst possible ways, like a guy can't possibly just like an aesthetic and instead it has to be driven by some terrifying predatory psychology and so on.
>>18578111Prove it. Marry me now. Im >>18569869>Inb4 ur already married
>>18578179posts like >>18578086 and >>18578111 would not fly with the gulls over there. This is the place to have an actual conversation about the fashion and get non-idealized perspectives. >>18578217they would absolutely shit on you for "seeking male validation" lol
>>18569666this was during the 2000's and the amount of effort they must have put into their outfits, hair, makeup etc every single day was insane. even the kids who thought it was weird would always follow it up with some sort of comment about 'but i respect how dedicated they are' and all the kids who would normally bully the weebs furries etc left them alone.
>>18578496Lolita fashion works casually just not over the top. I believe its called Ita
>>18578408>white women going full misandry because they failed to spot red flags in previous relationshipIMAGINE MY SHOCK
>>18578408thats exactly it anon, im sick of everything being politicised and turned into some pseudopsychology shit
>>18578496they seem unable to understand that you can talk to men through a purely neutral lense, for women who hate men they are very moid centered, i do not understand them nona
>>18578504do you like this coording anon?
>>18578217>>18578408Is /cgl/ that specifically toxic and gatekeepy, or is it just US/EU lolitas in general ?Hard to get much of an idea. I like the style a whole lot but good luck showing interest in this as a male without being gatekept because "ew creeps, chasers and fetishists" I just wanna party like it's 2008 and watch Vampire Knight and Rosen Maiden
>>18578700the western lolita hemisphere tends to be like that, especially on /cgl/, lolcow , comms ect its really lame and boring to me, somehow they will allow crossdressers but god forbid your boyfriend wants to look up your burando skirt! its blasphemyu get it anon....I just wanna loiter around areas for no particular reason as an excuse to dress up....
>>18578700you arent really allowed to show interest in anything as a moid or tranny in this country without women immediately jumping to thoughts of you jerking off to/raping them, it's very sad! even with something not like lolita fashion you WILL be seem as a pervert and creep simply for the circumstances of your birthyou will have it beaten into you that you are worse than trash
>>18578700It's pretty universal in the online lolita community. It is worth saying, though, that I've known quite a few lolitas IRL (and dated a couple, for that matter) and none of them were like that.
>>18578682Yes
>>18578111right, it's just my normal everyday clothing, i don't feel the need to moralize over what i do when i wear it and those who do come off as larpers who only wear it occasionally for social media or events imo.>>18578179hardly any lolitas even post on /cgl/ anymore tbf>>18578408casual lolita is just casual lolita. ita is lolita slang for a shit coord, looking unkempt, low quality pieces...
>>18579245oops last reply was meant for >>18578504
i like it. but i'm also a weeb cosplay guy so i've spent a lot of time on /cgl/ and have come to appreciate it.
