>>18579322
>>18580262
>might stop doing melatonin myself
So far this has not gone well... acne's actually gotten worse since I stopped taking melatonin. All I can hope is that it's some kind of transition period due to the hormonal change, but I didn't think it stayed in your system that long from supplements. Otherwise, then there's no correlation or maybe melatonin was actually helping and I should take more, lol, I fucking hate my life

repoasting this golden tidbit routine for anyone who is intermediate/advanced with their skin care and wants to take it up a notch. if you are a noob ignore these things, this is only for the big dogs!!

AM:

Pyunkangyul low pH cleanser
Nineless azelaic acid 10%
Illiyoon ceramide ato cream
Dokdo birch juice sunscreen

PM:

Roundlab dokdo oil cleanser
Pyunkang yul low pH cleanser
(2-3 times a week) Cosrx BHA let dry for 15-20 mins
Cosrx propolis toner
Skin1004 pro-bio cica ampoule
Illiyoon ceramide ato cream

MICRONEEDLING EVERY 4 WEEKS:

Derminator 2
9-needle cartridge
0.75mm for the face
1mm for scars and expression lines
1.25mm hairline and scalp
0.25mm undereye

NEEDLING SOLUTIONS USED:

BCN Tranexamic Acid
Dermaheal HSR


will poast skin pictures when i take a shave sometime this week and show the insane reflection/taughtness

Guys, rate skincare routine. How bad is it? 30y old fag

Morning:
CeraVe Hydrating Cleanser
La Roche-Posay Pure Vitamin C12 Serum
??? The Ordinary Niacinamide 10% + Zinc 1% - not sure
CeraVe Daily Moisturising Cream or CeraVe Facial Moisturising Lotion SPF50
Optional - Maybelline Poreless Jelly Primer

Evening:
Micellar water on a cotton pad to remove makeup followed by CeraVe Hydrating Cleanser
Retinoids - La Roche-Posay Retinol B3 serum - use every other night
Acids - The Ordinary Mandelic Acid 10% + HA (use only on non-Retinol nights)
??? The Ordinary Niacinamide 10% + Zinc 1% - not sure
CeraVe Skin Renewing Eye Cream
As face moisturizer - CeraVe Skin Renewing Peptide Cream + The Ordinary 100% Organic Cold-pressed Rose Hip Seed Oil
Nivea, Moisture Lip Care

Weekly:
Sheet Mask or Hydrating Mask (hydrating sheet mask or a cream mask)
Facial Exfoliation with a glove(no retinoids this day and day after)
Clay Mask for nose and T-zone - Beplain Mung Bean Pore Clay Mask

>>18582198
since you're 30 i'd recommend retinoids as opposed to more expensive cosmetic retinol products. Build up tolerance slowly of course.

everything else looks fine

>>18582206
Thank you

On an unrelated note - DAMN! I still can't believe I hit that age already

Can you recommend any products to reduce the sunspots I already have on my face?

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>>18581374
sorry to hear that anon. have you been to derm?
>>18582198
its pretty good
>??? The Ordinary Niacinamide 10% + Zinc 1% - not sure
i would drop this as im pretty sure there is niacinamide in other products you already use. keep in mind only 2-5% concentration was clinically tested, 10% is often times a bit too harsh
>La Roche-Posay Pure Vitamin C12 Serum
>La Roche-Posay Retinol B3 serum
id get cheaper equivalents (but thats just me) though i know some people are willing to pay extra as they feel nice
>The Ordinary 100% Organic Cold-pressed Rose Hip Seed Oil
the oil at the end of pm routine is pretty good idea. i would switch it to some kind of mix of oils though than a single one (potentially more benefits) unless you dont tolerate some of them or you simply really like the one you use.
i used to get a cheap jojoba, macadamia, almond and raspberry seed oil with squalane (from a local company) but its not available anymore and been looking for something simialr
>Sheet Mask or Hydrating Mask (hydrating sheet mask or a cream mask)
id drop this, maybe slug with vaseline every now and then on exfoliating nights. i always thought hydrating/moisturizing masks are a scam selling a one-time use moisturizer but idk. up to you
>Facial Exfoliation with a glove(no retinoids this day and day after)
id drop this or replace with 30% aha peeling solution from the ordinary instead. again thats just me, i prefer chemical exfoliation. but if its too much and it works for you, leave it as is
>>18582946
alpha arbutin, retinoids, niacinamide, vitamin c serum, glycolic acid exfoliator and obviously sunscreen to prevent further damage

>>18583100
>alpha arbutin, retinoids, niacinamide, vitamin c serum, glycolic acid exfoliator and obviously sunscreen to prevent further damage

Thanks anon, do you recommend any particular brands? I used to use vitamin C serums, but they irritated my skin.

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>>18583841
>vit c serum
geek&gorgeous or timeless
>retinoids
if you never tried any, cerave, olay24 or neutrogena were usually recommended. id go with cerave personally since it has niacinamide and other ingredients that helps
>alpha arbutin
the ordinary or whatever is available from your local market. just make sure its like 2% or something not 0,000000000000000000000000001%
>niacinamide
just make sure its in another product as an ingredient
>glycolic acid
the ordinary makes 7% and 30% concentration but i would look for something like 10-15% from different company if its your first one
>sunscreen
cerave am if you never had one, then try other ones

there is also this thing called faded cream which was shilled by doctorly on yt which is bretty gud and packs a few good actives. they also have a few vids on this topic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3yc9NMeGjk
i think dr dray also had vid on this so you can check what everyone is recommending and make an educated purchase

>I used to use vitamin C serums, but they irritated my skin.
maybe start with faded, a retinoid and a sunscreen in that case. give it 2 months of consistent use and see how it goes

>>18584070
Thanks again. I've looked for Faded cream, but it's very expensive here. For now, I'll start with CeraVe's retinoid cream and an alpha arbutin serum. I'll wait and see how my skin responds before trying vitamin C, as it's quite sensitive. I've also heard about hydroquinone, which I saw mentioned in the video, but it's only available from pharmacies here.

I've used moisturisers and serums from various brands. I really liked the Clarins moisturiser, but right now I use Neutrogena moisturisers and sunscreen. Honestly, they work pretty well for me and are reasonably priced.

>>18580755
>want to use tretinoin every night for anti-aging purposes
>also want to use dha tanner for a glow
>tret and dha tanners cancel eachother out. Can’t use both

What the solution to this?

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Who /baxter/ here?

>>18580755
So I've been going through the OP and read this
>Do not use soap, made from "saponified" vegetable/animal fats. They are generally far too alkaline for your skin, and dries your skin out and irritates it.
>You should use a cleanser that is not soap, that is non-irritating and with a somewhat skin-neutral pH. Use a cleanser based on only synthetic detergents ("syndet"). Not all of these synthetic cleansers are good, but most of them are.

Does this apply only for the face? Or should I also replace my normal hand soap with it?

rate my half assed skincare routine
night:
cerave cleanser for acne prone skin
the ordinary zinc+niacyminide
cerave miosturizer + spf50

might get vitamin C from the ordinary

>>18580755
Thoughts on using urine?

>>18584434
Eat a lot of carrots.

>>18584637
well hands are different than face, so you're fine. if the hand soap is drying the hands too much just use a hand cream

>>18584538
Whenever I bought a whole bunch of stuff from the same company, I've never had the experience where one single brand made good multiple stuff, it was always just one good thing and the rest were subpar.

Do you think porn actors use moisturizer on their genitals, butts, breasts or nipples?

I'm constantly looking dehydrated in my face because no matter what I do my side sleeping on my cotton pillowcase just undoes everything I put on the previous night

fuck my life

Best korean introductory hydrating toner?

>>18585409
Yes, without a doubt they use products on those areas, some even use makeup during shoots on the less intimate non face areas.

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Fasting gives me silky smooth skin with no blemishes, avoiding carbs and blocking DHT has done more for my skin than any amount of expensive serums and retinoids.

>>18586870
Do you use them? Should I use them? Does normal body stuff work or is there something special for those areas?

>>18586978
Depends really on what skin problems you are trying to address. I had discoloration and rough texture so I use drunk elephants glycolic acid toner.

It worked well to fix some of the discoloration and just make my body softer. I wouldn’t use my face products down there not because they won’t work but because of the packaging size.

Basically my routine for body:
Shower every day
Use AHA/BHA (SomeByMi AHA/BHA/PHA 30 days) wash along side Hibiscrub (I have hidradentis suppertiva so this helps against the outbreaks)

Scrub my body with that mix using a African net sponge (I rotate them out every third wash to and sanitize them on Saturdays)

Dry myself off with a clean towel and use my hairdryer (the og Dyson hairdryer) just so I am dry af.

Coat my body in a very thin layer of the drunk elephant stuff while I do my face routine.

>>18586997
>Dry myself off with a clean towel and use my hairdryer (the og Dyson hairdryer) just so I am dry af.
Drying body with hairdryer? Damn, that's some next level skincare routine.

When I clean my skin with a light cleanser, I get dry flaky skin. When I apply a light moisturizer, I get oily skin after about 30 minutes. I have tried less and I have tried using the cleanser once a day, once every 2 days and even less. What kind of skintype do I have? I struggle figuring this shit out.

>>18587007
It’s really not needed but I find that any being slightly humid makes my HS flare up so I just quickly woosh my body on max heat, speed and with the focused nozzle

Hey guys, consummately ignorant person here.

Is there some kind of non-shampoo hair care product that is designed explicitly to moisturize the scalp?

>>18587708
Do you want to use it during a shower? If so look up “cowashes” they are sort of a mix of conditioner and shampoos but not having any cleaning agents. They certainly won’t strip your scalp.

If not you could use jojoba oil on the dry spots. I have a middle part and when I was on accutane my middle part scalp would get insanely dry so a few drops there moisturized my scalp

>>18587708
I'm in a similar situation where I'm in sort of need of that but there doesn't seem to be any dedicated products that are easy to absorb in the scalp and don't build up in hair.
Here's two methods I found so far
1. Wash your head only with conditioner. It kinda worked for me at some point, there's some guide on a reddit called "the curly girl method". I had long curly hair, but I started balding so I had to cut my hair, and I started using Minoxidil which triggered sebhoreic dermatitis and now I'm forced to use shampoo regularly so that's out of the question now.
2. Apply MCT oil to scalp after shampooing. I actually started this some days ago so I can't vouch for it yet, we'll see.
If you find something else, post it in the thread, I'll appreciate.

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Anons, my skin is not getting smoother, I've been trying this chemical exfoliatior
>pic related
for about a week every night, in the hope that the small acne scars would smooth out, and they look unscathed. I've never applied an exfoliator before and the only results seem to be a dry skin when I wake up.

It might take time, I'll report back in another week or so. I consider "The Ordinary" as a good producer as I've fixed my dark circles when I used their eye serum, so to this other product I give the benefit of the doubt.

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>>18586583
heard good thing about black rice toner (i think it was from haru haru or something) but never really used it
>>18587132
idk but sounds like worst of the two worlds (oily and dry)
perhaps mixed
>>18587708
>>18587802
i am in process of finding out routine for my scalp as well though i have normal hair. basically i realized that anti dandruff shampoos (all 4 kinds i went through) caused dandruff for me (the irony) and the more i look into moisturizing my scalp the less dandruff i have. i had moisturizing shampoo from petal fresh which was pretty cool and gave good results but pretty sure i can find something better. currently i wash with conditioner every second wash. realized my hair simply needs this so it does not smell as bad the next day.
also i was on the lookout for non foaming shampoo (thought there is equivalent of non foaming face cleansers but for hair) but not sure if such thing exists
lastly i had a period where i added a few drops of oil serum i had which extended the lack of bad smell to 2 days without washing which was cool
>>18588050
hmm post the rest of routine
>I've fixed my dark circles
congrats

Is there any point in using a moisturizer if my skin is oily by nature?

>>18586583
Pyunkang Yul Essence Toner.

>>18589715
Sometimes it will help make it less oily. But skincare is ymmv thing. Do whatever you want. Chances are you will not get what you expect anyways.

>>18586539
Wait until the skincare got absorbed.

Literally just started today. Got the blue cerave moisturizing cream, does it have spf in it or do I need a dedicated sunscreen?

>>18589715
you can still benefit yes
>>18589916
>blue cerave moisturizing cream
there are too many of them to guess
and then you have various markets in different regions where they have different things

>>18580755
Is switching from adapalene to tret worth it if my goal is anti-aging?

>>18582195
>Cosrx propolis toner
how do you like it? i was thinking abt getting this but i have more oily/combination skin and ive heard heard its mostly for dry skin so im not sure anymore

my doctor's telling me i should get off tret and do 15% azelaic acid instead. issue is that he's not gonna prescribe anymore tret (i've got 1 tube left). the issue was redness and irritation after shaving. i'm thinking of getting adapalene or tret from that greek site (i forgot the name)

>>18590745
Adapalene 0.1%/differin is not OTC in your country? Btw the greek boderm sells adapalene now, both 0.1% and 0.3%. Unfortunately both in cream form, not gels.

Not sure how expensive the shipping is to your country.

After a few testing, I think my azelaic 20% gel irritate my skin or at least trigger some dermatitis/eczema on certain parts of my face. FML.

I want to import skinoren one day, but looks like there are a lot of fakes.

>>18590758
no. literally nothing is OTC here, just the cosmetic brand retinols and azelaics
does gel vs cream actually play a big role?
i mean im not sure what shipping costs are but can't be more than 20 euro.

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is this routine okay? im still dealing with breakouts and whiteheads around my chin and jaw, but i think my face has been getting more calm since i added the serums

haven't tried the paulas choice toner for long, just a day. swapped the TO glycolic acid toner out coz i think i need some more BHAs. any recs? ive had persistent acne on my lower third for years now . thinking of getting on accutane or smt if i cant figure it out soon idk

How do I stop my skin being so dry? Also I have this red patch on my forehead, I'm not sure if it's acne or rosacea but how do I get rid of it?

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>>18591331

>>18591331
apply thin layer of petroleum jelly after moisturizer (before going to bed)

What kind of face towel do you use?

>>18590766
Having more choice is always good.

>>18591122
Switch to the boj aqua fresh. Much much better for sensitive and acne prone skin. Less drying too.

>>18591122
What are the serums in Treatments supposed to do?

has anyone here tried microneedling with exsomes? is it worth the money or is it a meme?

I can't take it anymore bros
My whole life I never really had acne problems, not even in my teens, but this summer in my mid twenties I got an absolutely biblical acne breakout on my forehead
I've been washing my face twice a day and started using benzoyl peroxide twice a day as well but it's had no effect, been washing my pillowcase every week as well
What else can I do

>>18592054
ty anon o7

>>18592091
the one on the right is for protecting against pollution and smog, the left is some multi ingredient thing for blemish prone skin

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>be me
>acne breakouts
>use a salicylic acid scrub + hydroquinone cleanser + non-thick lotion combo
>doesn't work
>use bar of soap on face + quitting garbage food
>acne disappears.
please explain this phenomena /skeegee/

>>18592824
>have problem
>treat symptoms
>symptoms don't go away
>treat problem
>problem goes away
idk mane

>>18592824
Idk, but the most effective topicals for acne are benzoyl peroxide, salicylic acid, and tretinoin/adapalene. If they don't work, you can try isotretinoin which is the most effective acne medication.

this gotta be the lowest IQ thread on this board lol.

>>18592343
See a derm. Obviously hormonal.

>>18592824
Seed oils.

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Will this become a permanent scar? Slightly indented on the temple. Came after a pimple.

i have acne across basically my whole upper body, arms shoulders back chest neck lower face etc
how do i fix this without covering myself in some lotion? i dont eat dairy and i finish a 2.4 liter bottle of water twice a day

>>18593702
>Will this become a permanent scar
Already is

>>18588050
Azelaic Acid is not a chemical exfoliator. You want AHAs/BHAs for that.

>>18593753
a salicylic acid body wash could help

>>18593753
there is a little more to it than drinking water and not eating dairy. check archives. maybe its one of the detergents you use or too hot showers

>tfw still have persistent acne at 24
Im giga acne scarred which i couldnt care about now. But my pimples that still come out are fucking killing me man.

>>18593753
Might be hard water or too much chlorine, or too much hot shower.Water filter for the 1st two. Other than the usual body wash, you can try octenisan antibacterial wash.Seem to help my itchy skin.

Started skincare. Bought retinol, cleanser and moisturizer. If I shave daily, do I shave then cleanse and then retinol then moisturizer, or how does that work? Which order is best? How much time in between each facet of the routine?

Can I Yolo Accutane without medical supervision or do I have to go by the books on it? I just want my face and back to be completely clear at this point, I'm sick of having it still in my mid 20s. I'm currently in SEA. Can I take a lower dose of it to get the same benefits as higher doses?

>>18594729
Just shave in the morning and retinol at night? But I don't seen an issue doing them in the same routine.
>>18594738
Don't be an idiot.

>>18594729
cleanse then shave then retinol (only pm) then moisturizer. also get a sunscreen if ur using retinoids

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mid 30s i have never used any skin products outside of sun screen.
i just bought this. i has vitamin C.

>>18586959
How do you block dht? I only get acne after sex or jerking. I think its dht related

To what extent do retinoids improve acne scarring? Although I'm probbaly gonna grow out my hair which will cover up the areas I do minorly have it (to the sides of the eyebrows). Also, do shorter or partial courses of Accutane work well for stopping acne if yours is relatively mild? Say I only did 3 months instead of 4

>>18595374
Sounds like coincidence. Make a notebook and record it.

>>18595717
Unlikely to have massive improvement for athropic scars.

>>18595717
its like asking how sweet an apple is
depends on the apple

How do I, as a poorfag, dip my toes into korean skincare products without breaking the bank or letting the product go to waste. I've been on a barebones cerave-based routine for the past couple years and my skin is still shit. I still get acne, skin still dry, closed comedones, uneven texture, etc. I just use the cerave hydrating cleanser, the cerave tub, and some sunscreen but I don't feel like it's enough. I was on tret for a few months and I did enjoy it but I was too broke to renew my Rx.

Are there any websites that offer samples or smaller sizes of popular korean skincare products? I'm mainly interested in milky toners, hydrating cleansers, and sunscreens.

And what's your protocol for products that don't work for you? I've been too poor to venture out and try new stuff so I don't know what I'd do if I bought a massive bottle of toner and it made me breakout. I don't know anyone personally who is into skincare. Do I just facebook marketplace that shit? Do people really buy used skincare products?

>>18596012
Why not buy third-world tret? Like from india, turkey, china, SEA countries. Either online, or make friends that go to those countries.

>>18596016
Was not aware of grey pharmas at the time of purchase

I've been using an American made sunscreen and think I want to switch to an Asian one. Are there any brands in specific I should look at? The Beauty of Joseon one looks pretty popular.

Has anyone tried cutting out sugar, and how did it change your face?
1. Does cutting out sugar for just 1 week change your appearance noticeably? I'd use this if I want a boost on a specific day, then go back to eating what I want.
2. Do you just not eat desserts, or do you have to try hard and track the sugar content in everything you eat?
3. Does cutting back on sugar, but still eating desserts semi-regularly, over a period of time really help out your looks?

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anyone into looksmaxing message me on disc at orfvn, i really wanna have someone i can show progress or ask advice to. i’m currently on reta,minox,dut,cialis,meletonin, and acutane

Some dweeb posted some shit about Accutane being neurotoxic on twatter, as someone considering getting on it soon, is this guy being a divisive faggot or actually telling the truth?

https://x.com/NoahRyanCo/status/1991509852410040517?t=y3p3uOOUYgBs_bzsHkI_ew&s=19

>>18596204
Shisido Anessa. A lot of fakes though online. Like a lot.
Skin1004 is ok. I suspect they astroturfed skincare subreddits and other online communities a lot though. Same with round lab.

i get small breakouts on my face because I can't sleep without putting my arm across my eyes/upper face. all this hard work and money spent to turn my face into porcelain ruined by this ridiculous habit

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>>18590466
google studies on both. i think adapalene is comparable for anti aging but dont remember exactly how many studies says so and how many praise tret instead
>>18590759
maybe check some educational materials about shaving (for example shave after shower or apply hot towel on shaving area before shaving etc) to ensure you are doing everything right first
20% is pretty strong and gives me irritation too so maybe try lower concentration or some other mild exfoliation (bha for example). urea creams could help too and there is pretty wide range of concentration (5%-70%). try some of these out and see how it goes. unfortunately skincare is trial and error
>>18591122
dubadubs checked
>Drying Lotion
interesting, pretty cool for spot treatment. have not seen it before
>the ordinary mutli-antioxidant
idk i think i would rather go with simple vit c + e + ferulic acid formula (i think thats enough antioxidants) which also may boost collagen production as a bonus. you have some antioxidants in your moisturizer too
>The Ordinary - Balancing & Clarifying Serum
kinda expensive so i would ensure it really works for you
>collagen mask
skippable, collagen does not really penetrate your skin. so the only part left is moisturizing properties. just get a heavier moisturizer - perhaps lrp lipikar baume ap+m (good value for money)
>any recs?
i dont see retinoids anywhere in your routine. get retinol or adapalene (if its otc where you live). or go to derm. i dont think they will put you on accutane on first visit anyway
>>18591331
understand what could cause that (hot showers, environmental effects, your shower gel) and fix it
>>18591966
soft and clean

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>>18593753
sa body wash or panoxyl
>>18594738
significant cancer risk
>>18595345
>Alcohol Denat is 3rd on INCI
straight to trash it goes
>>18595717
depends on the scarring. i had some improvement on my atrophic scars. but for that there are better things like dermarolling. for others type of scarring it depends. i squeezed a pimple once too hard and i had a mark for 6 months+ on my back
>>18596012
post routine. have you ever used retinoids? if not i would save up for retinol and see how it works. look for local companies (they are usually cheaper) or join some facebook groups for cheap recs in your area
>dip my toes into korean skincare products
>while being poor
just keep in mind they can be expensive.
>Are there any websites that offer samples or smaller sizes of popular korean skincare products?
its suprisingly quite often that there is smaller/travel size options but they are not particularly great in terms of $ per ml
>Do people really buy used skincare products?
well you can try looking for a used retinol but i would expect 2nd hand skincare to be traded on a dedicated facebook groups (like with perfumes). if not, perhaps make some skincare friends and exchange
>what's your protocol for products that don't work for you?
use on body, gift it, leave near trash bins for someone else to pick up

other than that review your diet in terms of slop/dairy intake. this is more important than anything above. there are certain parts of the world where being poor means you have to buy slop to survive which is really sad and unfortunate. also ensure your lifestyle/habits/environment/elements are not significantly affecting you like working in harsh conditions, smoking/drugs or stuff like hot showers (they dry you out), fresh pillow cover (or use old tshirts), allergy to laundry detergents. or perhaps your shower gel irritates you and you need something sls free or hard water etc. check archives for more tips

hope it helps

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>>18596204
just look at kbeauty sunscreen reviews and see which finish you like the most and basically if the reviewer says there is a residue left on their face that they hate etc. then ask chatgpt to analyze ingredients list and filters used to see if everything is fine
>>18596274
lmao
>>18596336
he seems to be generating traffic for his website (where he writes about shredmaxxing, really?) by these posts to monetize his paid articles?
its really weird for a "health person" to post such a hot take without source. as for the post accutane symptom i cant say much as i never used it but perhaps majority if not all of these symptoms are listed as side effects on drug information leaflet or whatever it is called?
i can understand certain drugs that are old can be found to cause side effects years later as technology improves (like propranolol for example) but this is first time i hear about this

>>18596396
New long-armed tshirt every night? Perhaps even a washable cotton gloves/mittens?

>>18596448
>go with simple vit c + e + ferulic acid formula
does the TO ferulic acid serum cover enough bases? saw that it doesn't have vitC/E and im not about to spring for the skinceuticals one :S
>i dont see retinoids anywhere in your routine
im actually kinda scared of rets ToT tried some olay retinol24 thingy a while back when i had even less of a clue as to what i was doing w my skin and it made me worse so ive been wary of them ever since. any product recs? im an amerifag so whatevers available here
also i did go to the derm a couple months ago and they wanted to put me straight on accutane :/ haven't started it yet, ive been trying to fix my skin on my own and keeping that as a last resort

i did strip down my skincare routine some, stopped using the TO multi antioxidant serum, and the collagen mask coz it felt kinda gimmicky and i have noticed less irritation. also started using the paulas choice toner in the morning too and i think that helped + switching to my roomates biore watery essence sunscreen. tyyy for the advice <3

>>18595374
Thats prolactin issue, not dht.
>>18596336
The pathways of these drugs are usually the same for humans but due to genetic and everyone having different lifestyle and diet, some will have different reaction to it. I just wrote some no shit stuff but that twitter dude wasnt wrong though a lot of these long form posters will try to shill brands, some brands are good, some bad gotta research further yourself. Before going on accutane, try looking for anti acne diet first, people usually add more zinc, vit c, vit a (accutane is derived from vit a),vit e, less dairy, if you need it, use a2 milk or goat milk, more fish for omega 3/6, and our highly processed diet will have omega-6 overloaded already, so you need to add more omega-3 high food to balance shit out . Youre already on twitter, you can look shit up.For diet stuff you can track food using myfitnesspal or cronometer.

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>>18596614
>vit c recs
there are a few in the archives with this formula. geek&gorgeous or timeless from top of my head
>im actually kinda scared of rets ToT tried some olay retinol24 thingy a while back when i had even less of a clue as to what i was doing w my skin and it made me worse
purge is often times expected, some people experience it even with moisturizers or just new products in general
>any product recs?
id use up the olay one if you still have it. if not, cerave resurfacing retinol serum is pretty mild and good for acne (also contains niacinamide and licorice root). either that or adapalene which is a bit stronger. perhaps go for adapalene once you use up full bottle of retinol first
just remember to use it every few days at the beginning and work it up to every 2 days or every day if you tolerate it. first weeks of usage can be bad because its pulling the bad stuff out. retinoids purge is pretty well covered on the internet
>they wanted to put me straight on accutane :/ haven't started it yet, ive been trying to fix my skin on my own and keeping that as a last resort
hm i would probably do the same. but he saw more than any of us here in this thread so you might want going to some other derm for 2nd opinion

what's a good greatest pre-shave and post-shave routine?
right now I do nothing but cleanse prior and use serozinc + cicaplast afterwards.

Is there any purging associated with starting azelaic acid?
I discontinued tretinoin 0.025 last Sunday because of it having antibiotic (couldn't do more than 12 weeks on it). I started azelaic 6 days ago and now I see some of the ingrowns returning (as well as a pimple popping up again) after shaving yesterday.

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>>18580755
Has anyone here tried the new "Epicelline / dihydromyricetin" serums?

It's a new technology, Nivea makes big claims all over the news and all the reviews are over the top.

>It supposedly inhibits the DNA methylation processess of the skin cells in a way that causes them to behave younger than they actually are.
>The Patent: https://patents.google.com/patent/WO2022096195A1/en
(copied from reddit, don't come at me)

I just ordered it, thoughts?

>>18597482
They effectively banned tret in EU just to push garbage like this. I believe a good part of the reason why it’s so difficult to get tret in EU is because the corrupt skincare industry bribed the EU decision makers.

Hi, not really sure if this is the right place for this, but my friend wanted to know how to deal with (and ideally prevent) strong body odour, I recommended basic things like shaving around the pits, using anti-bacterial soaps and all that, but is there anything else I should tell him about?

>>18597518
Except that this is the next step in skincare + there's not breaking period

>>18597524
- eat less meat
- eat no onions, garlic, and the like
- eat a lot of vegetables
- drink a lot of water
- wash everything in hot water and bleach, get new clothes if necessary
- that includes the sheets and towels
- get those strong antiperspirant that stops armpit sweat, instead of just deodorant
- clean and ventilate the room

>>18580755
newfag here, any recs for nonjewish moisturizers? A solid moisturizer would be ideal, because you can't use 100% of the product with lotions.

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>>18580755
My new fav

Adapalene 0.1 vs 0.3, what's the real difference ? My skin is fairly tolerant of strong actives, but there's not really a lot of problems. I'd just like to smooth out the texture.

>>18597668
kys, nazi

>>18597677
>gluten-free
Lmao. It’s hard to get vanicream outside the US. A lot of fakes too.

>>18597806
One is more difficult to get outside the US and India. Those shady indian retinoid stores that ship overseas don’t tend to sell 0.3 adapalene.

>>18597889
I'm looking at the greek pharmacies that sell Boderm. 0.3 seems to be fairly common there.

>>18597893
Why not use taz? So many people praise boderm taz 0.1. Well, they could be astroturfing. But better than trying new product with no reputation.

>>18597899
i dont like that taz has alcohol but it's slightly more irritating. i dont need massive gains, its just prophylactic use pretty much.

>>18597909
>that taz has alcohol
what? where?
https://incidecoder.com/products/boderm-tazarene-cream-for-oily-skin

I tried Etude House Whip Cleanser. And I don’t like it. It leaves some weird residue. I fell for it again, reddit says that this is the best minimalist cleanser for sensitive skin.

>>18597932
my bad, I was thinking of gel. taz gel always has alcohol in it.

>>18597887
>t. coats ximself in seed oils daily

Finally decided to try Korean skincare. Wish I did sooner. I wanted a new retinol product since the ones I keep buying irritate the hell out of my skin and make me break out like I'm 13 again.
I previously used
>neutrogena retinol
>RoC retinol
>Cerave retinol
All made me a dry mess, the breakout phase was never-ending, and made my face crazy red.
I am now using "By Wishtrend vitamin a-mazing bakuchiol night cream". It's greatly improved my skin without the flaking, redness, and acne. I've only been using since July too. My bumpy skin is now smooth, I have no redness. Wish I took before and after pics. It's much less expensive at least where I live compared to the western products. Only con is that is has a very chemical smell. Posting in case anyone had the same issue as I did with retinol products and want to try something new.

>>18589883
Seconded. Makes my face soft as a baby's bottom. Great after shaving too.

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Is it bad to not use conditioner with shampoo? I know it's necessary if you shampoo daily, but I shampoo 1x a week and my hair gets oily halfway through the week which conditions my hair for me.

>>18598426
if you've got an oily scalp wash your hair two times a week.

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I've officially made it bros. The same asian aunt who straight up pointed out how much acne I had months ago just complimented me on my skin

>>18598570
Lol, that happened to me many years ago when I was eating retarded amount of vegetables and got clearer skin. I’m still trying to get back to that state.

Adapalene 0.1% gel gives less redness, but creates more painful cystic acne on jaw, neck, and ear lobes. Also my cheek is rougher. Not sure if purging.

Tretinoin 0.025% gel I used to use gave good result until it doesn’t. It gave me scary redness at some point.

Tretinoin 0.05% gel smoothes the rough skin I got from adapalene. And is reducing my cystic acne also from adapalne. And my skin got brighter. But the general redness also came back. Not as severe as when I used 0.025%.

Aza 20% gel severely irritates certain parts of my face, like the left/right sides of my nose. But it seems to reduce deeper hyperpigmentation immediately. There is still general redness though.

Now what? FML lol. Adapalene is definitely doing something, but I really don’t want to deal with the cystic acnes. But I’m also afraid that my tret gels don’t actually dig out the deeper sebum plugs. Only small whiteheads or very mild acne, no stronger acnes like from adapalene.

I will try Tazarotene in a few months while trying to change my routine a bit.

>>18598426
try the conditioner after shampoo. simple as
if nothing changes, just wash your hair twice a week - first time (eg monday) with shampoo, and the other day (eg thursday) with conditioner only (google co-washing)
>>18598570
well done anon
>>18598608
idk, have you been to derm? maybe he will suggest something else than accutane

>be 33
>STILL get zits

come ON

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>>18580755
What the fuck is this bullshit? Bottom one on chin is a pimple, it's gone by now, other bits are still here, and they're not painful

>>18580755
Documents in FAQ are reaching 10 years old, is this still reliable information?

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Please help me with my lips
I use aquaphor every morning and night but my lips still peel in these large pieces like pic related. I use Nivea with aloe lip exfoliator that doesn't seem to do much of anything. I use a chap stick with 30 spf and use it frequently. I drink water like a maniac. I work in a very dry environment and cannot use a humidifier there. I have eczema on my face at the sides of my nose but I don't think it's worsening the lips. Anything I should change, remove, or add?

>>18599394
Look like boils and whiteheads.

>>18599441
Get your blood and allergy tested. Imo get a humidifier at home. You don't work all day. And vaseline/aquaphor is good enough during the day.
There are many possible causes, and doctors/derms tend to be dismissive about this unless it looks really bad. Like swollen, bleeding.

How do I use facial products with a beard? Do I still apply them to my entire face, or only to the parts not covered by hair?

Depends on your beard. You can try and if it does not work for you there are dedicated beard products.

>>18595761
I did rekord it for 6 years. When and was single adn when I got gf. Always the same problen

>>18596954
>Thats prolactin issue, not dht
How can I deal with prolactin then?

>>18599441
which aquaphor product are you applying? i use the lip repair and then put a thin layer of vaseline over top. lip repair is a balm, it provides moisture but does not seal it in. vaseline is an occlusive it does not provide moisture but it will seal it in.

>>18599628
i would apply to entire face. there is still skin under your beard. thats why i apply products over my eyebrows too.
Captcha: DAY44

>>18584538
No, but how do you like it?

Anyone have any recommendations for treating and preventing blackheads?

ordered adapalene 0.3 from a greek pharmacy on monday and they got here on thursday. i honestly wasn't scared at all of the customs since they shipped with DHL express. really smooth process, only thing that sucked was the DHL service point worker thinking that the greek letters on the box was hebrew and asked me if I was jewish kek
i'll start using it tonight

>>18599488
>you don't work all day
h-hahah
>just finished a 16 hour shift and 12-hour shift in the past 3 days

>>18601087
I am using the healing ointment that has vaseline, mineral oil, ceresin, lanolin, panthenol, glycerin, alcohol, and bisabolol in it.

sunscreen? need something that is non smelly and doesnt leave a cast. are spf drops a meme?

>>18602582
>spf drops
dont bother
>sunscreen?
look into asian sunscreens, better formulated than western sunscreens. buy from reputable sites like stylevana not amazon because there are many fakes on there. i am using haru haru wonder airyfit sunscreen and it has been great. no white cast and has replaced my moisturizer during the day.

>>18596954
Nihha that's way too much bullshit, I've already tried salicylic acid and benzoyl peroxide and nothing ever worked since I first got the damn thing in my teen years. I'm just Finna do accutane,, my body ain't no bitch

>>18603576
accutane literally shrinks your brain and makes you retarded doe

>>18603576
I understand, sometime you just need to try it because nothing else does shit Just mention to your derm saying you read about some worrying stuff and ask them if they can check your liver enzymes level periodically when youre on it.

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Is this eczema? I have scalp psoriasis which i get on my eyebrows and beard too sometimes? Any permanent solution? I try to stay moisturised at all times. Lather double the lotion on cold nights

>>18601346
check out pore care by tina tanaka on youtube
or go to derm and get epiduo
or do salicylic acid and double cleanse
>>18602582
>need something that is non smelly and doesnt leave a cast
check sunscreen reviews on youtube. cerave am or isntree hyaluronic sunscreen one would be my first choice but ymmv
>>18603578
>living makes you live shorter
>>18603732
go to derm
>double the lotion
is it oil-free? maybe use it once and then slug with vaseline in pm routine for now
>I try to stay moisturised at all times
do you live in dry climate, if yes then - if there is hyaluronic acid in your lotion it can dry you out even more because it has nowhere to pull moisture from so it takes it from your skin (funny huh?)

>>18603764
>do you live in dry climate, if yes then - if there is hyaluronic acid in your lotion it can dry you out even more because it has nowhere to pull moisture from so it takes it from your skin (funny huh?)
what the fuck? is this true?

thoughts on co2 laser treatment for acne scars?

>>18603732
Looks like just fungal/dandruff or dry flaky skin or mild sunburn to me, since psoriasis or eczema would have red irritated/inflamed skin as well. Use fungal safe moisturizer.

>>18603732
poo festival aftermath, grim

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Picking up tretinoin 0.1% tomorrow up from 0.05%, what am I in for? How dry is my face going to be I'm scared

>>18584645
>spf at night
I've seen a lot of autism in my life, but this right here...

>>18604904
Do you have acne? If not, 0.1% might be overkill. Lower concentration is enough for anti-aging.
I did not experience much change when switched from 0.05% to 0.1% taz in terms of side effects, though I had to be more careful with the amount.
>>18604939
Surely he lives somewhere in the South Pole lmao

>>18605206
Yes I have acne that wasn't being handled by 0.05%

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i constantly get a few tiny pimples on my face what should i use besides the usual cleanser/moisturizer/sunscreen combo and a bp gel for spot treatment to actually prevent that

i am a neet and i get ingrown hairs sometimes, yet i have never shaved a single hair on my legs and i dont ever wear tight clothing or anything
all the stuff i find online is for people who have just shaved, are there any techniques for preventing ingrown hairs if you don't shave?

>>18605439
gotta soften the skin to allow hair go out. they are probably just some new ones. try salicylic acid, azelaic acid or urea cream
>>18605427
any slop in your diet? dairy perhaps? or products with added sugar?

>>18605446
thank you for the recommendation anon, is it still efficient to apply cream when i have a ton of hair on my legs? i always assumed you only did that if you shaved because the hair would steal all the cream

>>18605446
>slop
i mean like once or twice a week yea
>dairy
my breakfast is yogurt + latte is that actually bad
>products with added sugar
been eating no added sugar chocolate lately but in the past yea

>>18604904
More of the same.

Is cleanser and moisturiser every night and exfoliating every 3-4 days good enough for someone who frequently gets dirty at work? My skin looks better than before I started this but I need deep pore cleaning on my nose, under my eyes and between mouth and chin.

Also I frown a lot so I've got bad legs eleven. Any way to reverse that?

>>18605446
i also forgot to mention but, can i really use salicylic acid if my skin is dry? after i shower my chest gets all flakey so im just scared of using anything on my body

Is it true that led lightbulbs emit blue light, which photoage your skin?

How often do you need to apply tretinoin, adapalene and all of these medical grade retinoids for preventative results? I don't have acne, acne vulgaris, blackheads or anything of the sort, but I want to make sure that it won't happen. Would you do like 3 months of daily until you've built a solid skin cell turnover and then do twice or once a week?

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>>18605459
>>18605756
>is it still efficient
idk maybe get a body lotion with urea. hopefully 10% or more. it is actually moisturizing at this concentration iirc
>>18605466
well change it for a week or two and see if thats what causes it before you spend loads of money on expensive serums
>>18605745
>cleanser and moisturiser every night
good
>exfoliating every 3-4 days
good although i tried both once a week and twice a week and keep coming back to once a week but thats just me
>deep pore cleaning on my nose, under my eyes and between mouth and chin.
ah yes, tina tanaka pore care vids on youtube for you too sir
>Also I frown a lot so I've got bad legs eleven. Any way to reverse that?
you mean frown lines? impossible to fix unless you get some kind of fillers
>>18605878
they might, we will all die anyway
>>18605998
id use them 5 days a week, something low concentration. thats what multiple derms reported they do in various yt vids i think exfoliate once weekly on a day off

>>18606111
you're the best

>>18605756
Sounds like fungal infection honestly.

>>18606187
it could be, but im not sure how id know/treat it

whats a good moisturizing toner that has gel consistency? basically i dont want water like thing

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>>18580755
27M, I tend to have more oily skin, and I don't really break out, maybe a small pimple every two or 3 weeks, but for the most part I'm blessed, no scarring and pretty healthy skin. I do have some slight dark circles under my eyes I'm trying to address. I'm thinking of upping my routine.

Right now, my routine is pretty simple

AM
Round Lab 1025 Dokdo Cleanser (In the shower)
Beauty of Josen Revive Eye Serum: Ginseng + Retinal
La Roche Posay Toleriane Double Repair Facial Moisturizer With SPF 30

PM
Wash my face with water

I'm pretty happy with the products I currently use, and after consulting with ChatGPT, it recommended I add an oil cleanser, a vitamin C serum, and a night cream. Told me to move my under-eye serum to the evening, and use a vitamin C serum in the morning.

My primary problem is that when I look up products, I can find 100 positive and 100 negative reviews for literally anything, plus 60/100 of the positive reviews will be sponsored. So I'm at the point where trial and error will be the only gauge.

ChatGPT recommended me Vitamin C 24 Surprise Serum by TIAM.

Also, I do get those routine tiny blackheads on my nose. Any way to address that?

>>18607215
Just get one of the (mucin) essence?

>>18607273
I mean you buying stuff like Round Lab and Beauty of Joseon already mean you fell for fake marketing/astroturfing.
And of course you ask chatgpt for skincare recommendations. Literal sheep.

>>18580755
Is water+soap enough ?

>>18607959
if it works for your skin, sure.

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my turn to get rated
my skin is normal, a bit oily at times around the nose but nothing dramatic nor shiny

morning :
fresh water
pic related

at night
cerave foaming cleanser
1 every 3 night : the ordinary sal acid
when no acid night : nia 10% from the ordinary too
finish with moisturizer in pic rel

I'm too autistic and suspîcious of spf so Id rather not, I always wear a cap anyway and there is no sun here

should I add something like vit c? I tried the loreal revitalift vit c orange mask, and I'm not gonna lie I could feel a difference on my skin, maybe it was just hydration? I would use the mask once, and the two following nights apply the rest of the serum I would squeeze from the mask

>>18607801
Oh god this one's disgusting. Any other one you can rec?
>>18607959
What are your goals? No goals - no need for even water and soap.

>>18608129
UV is not visible to human eyes, you fucking retard.

>>18608339
whats your point

Any recommendations for a fat guy trying to prevent a lot of loose skin while losing weight? Started at 120kg/265lbs, 178cm/5′10, now at 108kg/238lbs.

>>18606203
head and shoulders shampoo works for a lot of fungal infections

>>18608817
bio oil

>>18608129
>morning :
>fresh water
>pic related

Wait, can I do that? I always thought you had to use a cleanser before moisturizer to get its effects.

>tapered down my tret and benzoyl peroxide usage
>started getting pimples again
okay, I understand

>>18608817
see a derm

>>18608922
no plenty cleanse with just water
it's less harsh, so especially if you have dry skin and you was at night, morning you might not really need much.

>>18608817
Former fatass here, I did a bunch of fasting and I have no loose skin at all.

>>18609170
Cold water/warm water or does it make no difference?
My skin might be too oily but I guess I'll see how it feels. If I can cut my cleanser usage in half I could maybe buy a more expensive, higher quality one.

>>18608817
>prevent a lot of loose skin while losing weight?
pray that you have good genes, build as much muscle as you can, avoid fasting and drastic weight loss methods. I went from ~110kg to sub 60kg and nothing really helped, still ended up with some loose skin.
remember that having some loose skin is MILES better than being fat, and if you can get even slightly leaner than the average (a particularly low standard), you'll still look really good.

I hope you'll reach your weight loss objectives anon, I believe in you!

>>18609639
Thanks man, really appreciate it. What was your height and how long took it?

I don't know how to explain this, but if I rub my finger over a certain place on my cheek, i feel like there's a pimple but under the skin. it's almost like a bump but there's nothing visible on the outside

>>18610114
sounds like cystic acne. used to have problem with these every now and then. now, with my retinoids regimen, they dont even get to reach the outer layer of the skin. they disappear while still deep

>>18610133
is it normal to have only one. can't feel or see it anywhere else on my face.

>>18610182
yeah absolutely, i had two at the same time at most and it was during summer when im more acne prone. but usually if it happens (3-4 times a year) i only experience one

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How do we feel about Obagi, fellow /skg/roomers? Mom is a doctor and is ordering some tretenoin from here and other products.

>>18592343
I had the exact same problem as you. I went from having porcelain skin to having rough, dull, and acne-ridden skin in about a year-ish. I went to see a dermatologist, and they got me on tret, and I've been on it for about three months. The derm recommended me to see a doctor since my skin changed so starkly and suddenly. I'm getting back to my old skin, slowly but surely. I am eventually going to see a doctor to get my hormones checked.
>>18592854
This is probably right.

>>18580755
Any updated recommended products to start with since the pastebin is from 2016, or just go with Cerave/Cetaphil anyway?

>>18610724
id go with cerave, cetaphil is shit these days, smells awful and texture got worse. they probably reformulated judging from the reviews.
or whatever cheap drugstore/pharmacy products from your local brands. germany has some great stuff in their pharmacies, cheap af too

>>18610724
If you're in the US, Vanicream.
If in EU, one of the French pharmacy brands. Avene, Bioderma, LRP.
If in Asia, Korean or Japanese brands. Too many to mention. I like Pyunkang Yul and Illiyoon.

Fucking finally emailed my doctor...

any moisturizer recs for sensitive oily skin?

>>18611839
Probably really minimal ingredients Avene or LRP. But they kept changing formulations. Kinda annoying.

cba with tret. cba with anything more than spf and moisturizer

>n-no it's not your skin barrier being disrupted causing you acne
Actually, it is.

You're a pseud if you disagree btw.

>>18611839
look for something oil free and recommended for eczema.
you can also paste inci to incidecoder or chatgpt to see if it has something sus in there but i would rely on reviews.

scheduled for genesis and fraxel laser in february
my derm is prescribing hydroquinone to help reduce any reaction to the heat from the lasers

any recs on routing around laser treatment? this is my first time? i assume moisture is key.

Anyone try a rice mask thats been going around korean skincare tiktok lately?

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Guys, skincare is not enough for my ugly face. Unfortunately. What clinic treatments can you recommend?

>>18613370
post routine, you're skins not bad

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>>18613371
I posted it before here - >>18582198

But I still need to fix other problems. Like wrinkles on the right side, huge pores around nose and "post acne pits". Forehead and frown wrinkles, and of course the dark circles under the eyes.

>>18613370
Mewing

>>18613373
you should try bumping up from retinol to a proper retinoid like tretinoin or tazarotene. that should help out with pore size. i would drop the mandelic acid

i'd also drop the eye cream (doesn't really provide anything)

you may also want to try a cleansing oil instead of micellar water

for the acne scars and wrinkles there are lasers that can soften those, but age comes for us all.
you should see a dermatologist for a consultation on the best lasers to use for your issues and skin type. (assuming us this is probably covered by insurance)
fraxel is very typical for this

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>stop using azelaic acid
>redness gets worse

>>18614721
Sounds like addiction/dependence.

can you fix nasolabial folds with skincare? I am too young to have them

What can I use to help strengthen my nails? They are always breaking. Vitamins, topical, pastes, anything.
Does anyone have specific products or brands that help with nail strengthening/hardening?

>>18615100
Biotin, you need to look up the co-factors as well, just put in chatgpt. Its similar to how you would supplement for your hair health.

>>18614977
stop being fat

>>18614977
Unlikely. The different people online saying it improves vs worsens vs does nothing.

>>18613370
>ugly face
You shut right the fuck up, faggot. It looks like a normal face. Stop using edited pictures on social media as a reference for what a face should look like.

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not my pic, but my face has visible pores like this
is this normal and im just retarded, or is there something i can do to reduce it
also, any retinol recs? i was using the cerave retinol serum but found it didn't do much, got recommended the ordinary retinol but heard ordinary is kind of a meme

>>18616642
normal, some people have larger pores. they can still be reduced in size.
instead of a retinol you should get a prescription for tretinoin or tazarotene.
for sunscreen look for something matte, like CeraVe Ultra-Light Moisturizing Lotion SPF30
there's also laser procedures that can reduce them - see you dermatologist.

if I work a messy kitchen job getting my face covered in grease and oil (smashing hamburger patties) but naturally have dryish skin, would you suggest cleaning my face with a cleanser and everything more frequently (twice a day?) or just rinsing the work gunk off and sticking to a daily/every second day schedule?
noticing a decline in skin quality recently and thinking of actually taking care of my skin properly for the first time in my life

I think one of the Cerave Foaming Cleanser or PM Lotion I bought this week is breaking me out :// I'll give it some more time to see if it gets worse, but oh well. What could even be the problem here?

>>18616998
I mean, cerave is known to break people out. At least, the internet says so. Also in my experience. Got a bunch of whiteheads after 1 usage lol.

Any reccs for textured skin on face? I also think i have strawberry nose...is that the term?? Recently got my long hair routine down, now wanting to focus on skincare

what can i do about acne scarring?
i'm finally acne free after several months of accutane but i hate how my face look
man am i gonna have to keep my hair long for the rest of my life just to hide the scarring a bit?

>>18617232
Tret. May worsen things though. Have some courage and take chances.

>>18617630
Ask the derm that prescribed your accutane? I've been fighting acne for decades. So I've been in many forums and subreddits. And honestly I still haven't seen truly impressive acne scar repair result. People blame the doctor or practitioner, but people on acne.org kept going to the meme doctors in other countries, and got meh results.

>>18617673
i'm killing myself
goodbye

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Need help by tomorrow please.

Ordered high molecular weight HA supply from owndoc (derminator 2 supplier) but due to holidays this is likely not coming until January. I need a proper substitute HA with at least 1.5m daltons in the next few days.

What are some prominent examples I can easily get from Amazon or nearby drug stores?

>>18618406
just get torriden

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