WATCH THREADWATCH THREADWATCH THREADIf you post a Citizen or a Seiko in this thread, your mom will be raped by a pack of black gentlemen tonight.The place to actually discuss watches, free of avatarfagging drama, including bittercelposting, pics of food or drinks, or long-ass stories about your lives.>Your budget>Preferred brand or manufacture>Watch type, e.g. dress, diver, pilot, etc>Movement, e.g. automatic, hand-wound, quartz, etc>Desired features, e.g. water resistance, day/date, chronograph, etc>Preferred strap option, e.g. leather, nylon, bracelet, etc>Wrist size or desired watch sizePrevious thread: >>18587914
Can this make a good daily?I feel like the dial layout and color scheme make it seem a little cold.
>>18590671Not sure if adding more earthy tones in the strap helps
>>18590671Sure, as long as it fits your wrist. Those are pretty big watches and wearing a dinner plate on your wrist every day would get annoying.
>>18590671Yes, patrician choice but it won't be a crowd pleaser
>>18590671yes, but it also looks like a $2000 Longines mallwatch
>>18590684Anything can look like a mallwatch in pics. Pic very related.It's almost always extremely obvious irl when a watch is actually high end.
>>18590682>but it won't be a crowd pleaserIn the sense that it'll fly under the radar, right? If so, that's a good thing.It's a straightforward minimalist design, so I can't imagine it actively putting anyone off.
>>18590695>In the sense that it'll fly under the radar, right? If so, that's a good thing.Yeah exactly. That's why i got an IWC as well, i can wear it even in short sleeves in summer and retards in the streets won't even notice, but people into watches or with money will think it's tasteful.
>>18590698Which one do you have? Pics?
>>18590695>>18590698It's a 42mm watch with an almost non-existent bezel (so a huge dial opening) and a thickness over 14mm. It won't fly under the radar.
>>18590702I'm a wristlet, i have the 36mm pilot
>>18590705That’s what >>18590676 was referring to.As for the “crowd pleasing” part? That’s almost entirely irrelevant. Outside of a few websites and some insufferable annual gatherings, no one in the world cares what you have on your wrist. Even if they know the brand, they still won’t care. They’ll only even notice it if it’s something like a huge obnoxious Hublot or something.Even people who care about watches don’t surreptitiously check out people’s wrists. That’s only a small subset of watch perverts.
>>18590705The vast majority of wristwatches I see on people around me these days are smartwatches and Garmin watches that are 50mm across and 16mm tall.A 42mm watch is positively dainty by comparison.That particular IWC is exactly 13mm tall btw.And the movement looks like pic.>>18590707Nice, real nice.One thing I don't get is IWC has legit Flieger heritage, but literally none of their Flieger hands are heat blued.For me, a Flieger dial is so sparse that it needs a little bit of organic soul like that.
>>18590695the only thing that can fly under the radar is a plastic casio or something 39mm / 9mm
>>18590722Among half a dozen guys with Garmin hockeypucks, a plastic casio fw stands out.
>>18590712>The vast majority of wristwatches I see on people around me these days are smartwatches and Garmin watches that are 50mm across and 16mm tall.>A 42mm watch is positively dainty by comparison.That's a stupid comparison. The IWC is in stainless steel, has a lot more heft, comes on a leather strap. If you want a watch that "flies under the radar", this won't be it. Have you even tried it? I have and that thing is fucking huge.
>>18590712Not all WW2 Fliegers had blued hands. Some were painted white. I agree that the heat bluing adds a nice aesthetic touch, but a Flieger, first and foremost, should be about legibility. Anything that improves legibility is within the spirit of the form.
>Répétition des phases de lune>aiguille centrale du chronographe>date centrale>remontage semi-automatique>Affichage 48h>temps + compteur semaine>Montre de poche sur bracelet en métal>côté vitrine>Couronne à l'avant>phase de lune numérique
>>18590727>That's a stupid comparison. The IWC is in stainless steelSo are Garmins.>Have you even tried it? Yes, in the Dune colorway.First thing I noticed was that it wears a lot smaller than expected. I do have a pretty flat wrist so I can get away with a lot.>>18590729True.The heat bluing is a personal preference really, a shame IWC don't do it.
I think Seiko should bring back Jean Lassalle just so the weebdrones can buy old ones and pretend they're underrated gems that were highly desirable all along and not one of Seiko's biggest flop.
>>18590732Last thread was historic.
>>18590482It wasn’t a Perseo. It was some Swiss gold watch that someone gifted him (possibly someone in the Hitler’s crew?) but which he actually didn’t wear. He wasn’t interested in watches, he wore that only for the photoshooting.And by the way, Perseo was (and still is) an Italian company. The movements and cases were produced by Cortebert (and occasionally they even used Universal Geneve parts), but the company was led by Italians and it had Italian headquarters. It was super common at the time to have national companies that used entirely foreign parts and foreign factories to produce. Germany had them, UK had them, France had them. That doesn’t make those companies Swiss companies.
>>18590754>memorializing your own attempts at being funny>distinctivefilenameHey Bittercel.
>>18590764>something slightly funny happens for once instead of endless Rolex vs GS "debates">nooooooo this must all be the work of my made-up enemyand you call others bitter kek
>>18590764I honestly don't know who is bitterceling who anymore. The complication-posters are bitter?
>>18590773>retrograde PH indicator to spot acidity and by extension bitterness
>>18590769This thread is for serious discussion only. If you want to post watches or meme you should go to one of the other threads.Show some class and cease this childish behaviour.
>>18590764>your ownAt least two, if not three anons have contributed. You seem to know everything, so why do you even need to ask anything anymore?
>>18590769>slightly funnyEven that is an exaggeration.You think spamming lists of green text terms constitutes comedy?
>>18590783The only thing anyone needs to know is that the same bitter bitch that ruins every thread is trying to fuck this one too. The only fucking peace we get is when he’s banned or asleep.
>>18590732>>18590754>>18590769Go back to fucking Reddit you faggot millennial shit
>enter thread>criticize the level of discussion>contribute nothingAnyway check out this MG movement.
>>18590788Go kms yourself.
>>18590791I miss the good old days when you could knife-hand and shout like this. Now everything has to be educational.
>>18590769>Immediately responds to being called out>all lowercase punctuated by a kek, lmao, or lmfaoYou’re not doing a very good job of disguising yourself, Bittercel.
>>18590790One overlooked detail on these movements is that their construction is pillar based.
>>18590792I dunno, man. I went through Boot Camp in 2023 and we got screamed-at, smoked and physically struck by the DIs plenty. Boomers and neverserveds have always whined about things being too easy because they worry that they, in fact, were the ones who had it easy.
>>18590790Let me guess, they put that movement in a 43mm “dress watch”.
>>18590794I'm curious to see if they feel noticeably lighter than a Lange because of their different construction.>>18590796Makes me happy.>>18590797No, 37mm! That's why I'm interested.
>>18590797That's the small movement, 26mm.And their 40+mm aren't "dress watches", they're simply modern versions of some of the OG wristwatches which were either converted pocket watches (see welded lugs) or wristwatches designed around pocket watch movements. Which were inherently far more accurate in timing.
>>18590799>I'm curious to see if they feel noticeably lighter than a Lange because of their different construction.Don't think there will be much weight savings.Pillar based movement construction is from a time before precision milling and computers.Much like the chatons, they allowed for the need for precision to be isolated to separate components, instead of the entire plate having to be made precisely.
>>18590804The two things that really sold me on Lange in person were the subtle textures of the dials and the weight. As someone used to steel shitters, a white gold case filled with German silver feels immense. The 37mm MG with the carved dial does have a steel case thoughbeit.Also does anyone have experience with buying used? Now that I'm seriously looking into an expensive dress watch, the potential of getting two for almost the same price is tempting me. A used Lange 1 + a used Czapek versus just one of the two.
>>18590785>samefag believing in Bitter Santa trying to call others out for low quality postso i am laffin
What's the most one should pay for a good cosmetic quality VC 7813? I've seen some for about 3,000 EUR on Chrono24, is that too much?https://eu.arbitro.shop/products/vacheron-constantin-7813-rectangle-yg
>>18590807Hey Dubai Anon.With regards to the question of buying used, it’s fine if you do your homework and exercise patience. Don’t buy the first example you come across, or the cheapest one one C24. For that matter, if you plan on flipping it eventually, used makes more sense since you won’t have to pay the depreciation (Or, rather, your rich uncle OilSheik McCamelfucker won’t have to).If it’s going to be a precious piece that you keep forever, then new is the better option.>CzapekYou should get this brand out of your head. It’s just a marketing exercise. The watches aren’t even that impressive. You’ll buy it and be happy with it for about six months before you realized how much you overpaid for a watch that you bought to impress others.
>>18590814>You should get this brand out of your head. It’s just a marketing exercise. The watches aren’t even that impressive. You’ll buy it and be happy with it for about six months before you realized how much you overpaid for a watch that you bought to impress others.I'm probably seconding this.I mean if Chr. Ward can shit out a Royal Oak knockoff that looks just as "good", then what's the point.
>I'm probably seconding this
>>18590818IIRC, the same guy designed both those watches.
all these years itt. not a single good watch. just shitters..youre all poor with the exception of the fatass mort and you all have shit taste.
>>18590819I am absolutely seconding this.
>>18590814When I go on C24 and look at new (last 15 years) watches I feel I can judge pretty fairly if they're acceptable for purchase. But just now I was looking at VC dress pieces from the 70s, and I just have no idea what is original or what is made in someone's garage. I'm talking about watches that have a completely blank caseback, no listed model number, and seemingly no way to verify how it looked when it left the factory. How does one even begin to investigate whether VC made a specific dial in a specific case shape from the era when every company was making seemingly interchangeable tanks, ellipses, and calatravas?>>18590818Yeah I generally dislike the integrated look, but I'm a dialfag and the green meteor czapek is a sight to behold. That dial could be on literally any watch and I'd like it. When you tilt it, the different sections shine with a sort of holographic effect, boosted by the green lacquer. I did some research into meteor dials: A) they all come from the same meteor called Gibeon which landed in Namibia 80k years ago. B) you can buy a big piece of this beautifully textured meteor on ebay for less than a thousand USD. So actually it's not that special, there's literally tons of it available.
>>18590754>>18590732cringejust end yourself
>>18590838Sincerity and authenticity are dead. We must conform to whatever the fuck you call your nightmare world.
>>18590831I really don't get the point of natural stones and minerals for watch dials.I like watches for their human craftsmanship. Enamel dials are made through kiln firings, traditional silverplated dials require manual rubbing of a powder into the raw brass, guilloche dials require a pantograph and a skilled operator, etc.Even those textured GS dials require a ton of skilled steps, and they feature designs created by humans to mimic nature.I like natural textures in stones etc. too, but for very different reasons.If I wanted to admire that, I'd just get a pebble or a paperweight of it.
>>18590831>How does one even begin to investigate whether VC made a specific dial in a specific case shape from the era when every company was making seemingly interchangeable tanks, ellipses, and calatravas?You can either accept that you can never know the truth, or you could start doing research and become an expert in case makers, movement makers, VC production in the era. It’s all very dry and all of it is in French.
>>18590845>Even those textured GS dials require a ton of skilled stepsNah, they’re just stamped. They’re not actually that impressive.
>>18590754you touch my monopussoir
CAN OMEGAY JUST REVEAL THE NEW PLANET OCEAN ALREADY GOD DAMN STOP WITH THE EDGING
>>18590855>they’re just stampedThe stamping process alone involves 7 individual stampings, with each step involving a risk of failure and rejection.After stamping, the dial is brushed to add the fine texture, and this too involves multiple passes.And then there's the 15 layers of coating to make the surface flat so it can hold the printing and furniture.But all of that isn't the point; what everyone loves about the dial is it's a human design that mimics a natural texture that doesn't actually exist in nature.In other words it's intentional, artistic. Rather than the result of natural coincidence.
>>18590855True. And the definitive proof of that is all the dials are identical. They all come from the same die. That's industrialization larping as craftsmanship. Dishonest watchmaking.
>>18590860I think a lot of the perceived value with natural material dials comes from people being misinformed. Lapis or onyx or meteorite are readily available and inexpensive materials (compared to a dial that takes a specialized craftsman many hours to produce).>>18590862lol, as someone who has put many hours into airbrushing small things with transparent layers of paint, I can tell you there's value in a GS dial. They're beautiful.
Junghans or Seiko chronograph?
>>1859086299.9% of all watch dials ever are "identical" and pressed with the same die, textured with the same grinders, printed with the same pads, cut with the same pantograph, ...
>>18590860>this mass produced quartz shitter I just bought is ackchyually a work of artGSfags are genuinely mentally ill.
>>18590869The texture of it is the result of an artistic endeavor.It's not actually a texture found in nature, someone made it up.
>>18590871Look anon, they've put a picture of a katana next to a Grand Seiko. That means Grand Seikos are made just like katanas are made. You should buy that one too. That's arts and shit.
>>18590860An industrial process that takes multiple steps and has QC performed after each step? Surely this must be a new innovation.Stop treating GS dials like they’re the same as grand feu enamel or turned on a rose lathe. Those require skilled labor. GS dials are industrialized.
>>18590875Those dials mimic the texture of ironsand, the raw material for katanas.>>18590877>Surely this must be a new innovation.Who said this is a new innovation?>Stop treating GS dials like they’re the same as grand feu enamel or turned on a rose latheI didn't do that at all.After listing those processes, I added the examples of GS dials and added "EVEN gs dials require skill". Clearly indicating that this is not on the same level as enamel, friction plating, or guilloche.Why are you faggots getting triggered so much kek
>>18590845Maybe they're better in more simple watches, like a little time only calatrava type design with a simple case.Like in Japanese food, so much of it is just about letting a few simple natural ingredients speak for themselves. In sushi 90% of the skill involved from the chef is just cutting. Everything else that could possibly be good about it is just the inherent quality of the ingredients and the combinations they're paired in.
>>18590882>Maybe they're better in more simple watchesTrue.One of the only stone dials I do like is unironically from Hublot, probably because of the simplicity of the case and lack of indices.
>>18590880>Those dials mimic the texture of ironsand, the raw material for katanas.Don't care, didn't ask.
You can fight me on this, but Rolex is better than Grand Seiko.
>>18590886Piaget did a lot of stone dals like this in the 70s and 80s. Maybe they're the kings of this. But I usually prefer markers because I want to know what time it is. Maybe the smaller and simpler the markers the better. I think Rolex did a good job with the daydates historically.
>>18590890I concede.
>>18590890Anon I shit you not, I'd buy a Frederique Constant before a Grand Soiko.
>>18590895
>>18590895>>18590898
>>18590897FC unironically has a couple good things that they're charging about half the price of an equivalent higher end brand watch like from JLC or the like.
>>18590890I, a notorious Rolex hater, must agree.It took some serious effort but GS simps have managed to become even more annoying than Rolex brandwhores.
>>18590905... On the other hand, look at the profile on this quartz shitter LMAO
Let's see Rolex' latest movement innovation.
>>18590911This used to be a good point, unfortunately they just released their Memeapulse escapement.Do not let this distract you from the fact that it is taking Rolex 50 years and counting to invent red paint.
>>18590911Okay I'll be honest with you, all memes and bs aside. Rolex doesn't even come close to this kind of quality. It's basically the Supreme of watches at this point.
>>18590905This is a pretty cool watch for the money, but for that same money wouldn't you rather save up more and get the JLC Master Ultra Thin it's trying to imitate?
>>18590916No because it's a JLC and every JLC dial I've seen in person bored me to tears.But that's besides the point, I get what you mean and agree. FC is too much of "I'll settle for this, it's good enough" brand since most of their designs are very derivative of Patek or JLC.
>>18590845What about wooden dials? I'm a bit of a sucker for some rich wood from the old luxury limos.
In the world of horology, there rarely is ‘right’ or ‘wrong’. There’s opinions, matters of taste, directions, specifications..These take us towards our personal goals in life. Your watch tells more about you than you might think.Imagine a man, wearing a Grand Seiko Spring Drive UFA (Ultra Fine Accuracy) and another man wearing a Rolex Submariner.What can you infer from the men based on this information? The Rolex owner is probably not into horology in general, for him the watch is a symbol status or some achievement. He wears it for the sake of other people. It is his ID badge, his entry to the fancy part of the mall. If he is into horology and has an extensive collection it probably is just his daily beater.The man wearing a Grand Seiko has made no compromises on the other hand. He went out of his way to seek out and acquire this particular watch. A novel movement technology, which wont be apparent to passers by. A watch focused on quality and perfection. Only he himself appreciates this, knows what it is and wears it solely for himself. The man with the Grand Seiko has clarity, his own lane. He is focused and confident in himself, without any external validation.
>>18590895>>18590898Tissot as well.
>>18590916The epitome of the cuckold mentality. Are you even still capable of telling which you like the most if you see two watches? Jesus fucking Christ.
>>18590924Tudor is the same.I once met a man who carved his way through hardships in his life. The journey was long and sometimes it seemed there was no hope. With enough persistence he succeeded and rewarded himself. His choice? A Tudor Black Bay ceramic. Why, might you ask? He wanted it for himself, without any of the Rolex baggage, but with all the quality and engineering behind it.It is these kind of men, who are brace enough to live for themselves, that take us forward as a species and civilization.Even Vincent Van Gogh would have faded into history if he only painted church murals..
A Tudor is a poet's watch; a Rolex, a salesman’s pitch.
>>18590927Fuck off retard. Take your cringe elsewhere. You’re also as ignorant as a fourth-worlder.
>>18590911>can only been serviced by Grand Soiko>Grand Soiko itself doesn't bother fixing the regulator, they just replace it>if GS stops making the regulator, your watch is pretty much unserviceable and worthlessYeah I think I'll stick with traditional mechanical watches.
>>18590933Don’t forget that Seiko does not guarantee service on watches over ten years old. If they don’t have the parts, you’re shit out of luck.
>>18590933>Can't spell>Compared GS to Apple LOL>Uses bs out of her ass as an argumentYeah, I think I'll just accept your concession. Go seethe else, bittercel.
>>18590924>The man with the Grand Seiko has clarity, his own lane. He is focused and confident in himself, without any external validation.And you know it because he will post it, every single day.(Meanwhile, the Rolex owner just wears his watch and doesn’t care what others think. That’s why there are so few Rolex owners here. Almost makes it seem like the Soikosimps are projecting.)
>>18590754kek
>>18590933That’s a dumb comparison. Normies consider Apple products to be well-made, fashionable, and luxurious. Normies consider Seiko to be a watch you buy at a gas station.
>>18590932>>18590943The feeble, ape-like mind, of the bittercel instantly devolves into slurs and schizo crap as soon as his ethos ins confronted. Do you feel like you're in charge of yourself; are you winning? Bear in mind this is a public arena and you're basically soiling yourself every single time you see something you don't like.
>>18590933Just buy a donor watch then? How do you think parts for obscure vintage watches are sourced?
>>18590924If anything GS is overdesigned for the sake of being overdesigned, trying to go out of their way to look like a high end piece with design choices that don't actually improve the functio n of aesthetic of the watch. You can see that in the picture you posted>Every surface has to have some kind of superfluous facet or bevel with a different finish on it compared to the surrounding facets and bevels, complicating the finish for the sake of complication. >Even the bracelet is an oyster bracelet with extra steps - the center links have a shallow line etched down either side of them. Why? Because. Because why not?>Indexes and hands are just more facets on facets on facets.>Pattern stamped into the dial, people cope "no it's not just one stamps it's SEVEN STAMPS so it's notally different." Nah, kid, it's a stamped dial. The pattern is otherwise a nice effect, but all of the geometric patterning in the dial creates tangents with the overly faceted markets and handsI'm excited for GS that they finally came up with an automatic spring drive movement that can fit in smaller watches with the power reserve indicator on the back so they can focus on the star of their show, which is the dials. But as far as the cases and bracelets and all the alternating finishing it's still a mess. A mess that takes technical ability to create, but still a mess.
>>18590958Yet, they don’t do the things that would actually make them better at being watches, like a making them thinner or adding a tool-free micro adjust to the clasp, or machining bracelet end links that actually fit the case.
>>18590938You seem abnormally concerned about other people's watches and their well-being. That's nice of you and all but i think we're knowledgeable and experienced enough to be able to care for our watches ourselves.
>>18590957>ten year old watch>company you bought it from just laughs at you>”guess it’s time to start scavenging like an animal.”This is the GS “luxury” experience?
>>18590933>>18590938Unironically GStards can't even understand any of that."SERVICING A WATCH??? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN DUUURRRRR"Anyone with half a brain can understand why a quartz regulator in a mechanical watch is a stupid idea. It's "anti-horology" since they just got rid of the escapement (the most interesting part of the movement, the one where there's room for innovation) and replaced it with some quartz shit. There's a very good reason why zero watchmakers or collectors care about Spring Drive, they just don't see the value.If you want to larp as a snob cunt just get an Omega co-axial and throw the names of George Daniels and Roger Smith at every opportunity you get. Or get a mechanical Grand Seiko. They're alright.
>>18590958>>18590924Maybe that's actually my problem with Grand Seiko and I never had the words to describe it before. When I look at a Grand Seiko I feel like a 2d figure observing and trying to make sense of a 3d figure.
>>18590962So, you consider watchmakers less than human, animals even? Pretty weird for someone posting in the watch thread.
>>18590957>don't buy one Grand Seiko, buy two! Grand Seiko's marketing team is desperate.
>>18590966>Or get a mechanical Grand Seiko. They're alright.You absolute cretin of a man. Spring Drive IS mechanical.
Fuck this shit. Bittercel comes to every thread, drops the GS - Rolex bomb and just leaves, and you people can't help yourselves, you drop everything and start bickering like a bunch of housewives..
>>18590972It's a quartz movement larping as a mechanical one.Spring drive is the tranny of the watch world.
>>18590975>oh my god it is not regulated by an oscillating wheel with a tiny spring but with a flywheel with a magnetic brake. It is not mechanical!!!!Oldest fucking cope in the book, come up with something new you fucking retard.
>>18590974There is no GS vs Rolex. It’s GS screeching to themselves while Rolex is off somewhere being productive.
Thoughts?
>>18590983It’s unique. That’s the best you’re going to get.
>>18590981This. ROLEX guys are having ROLEX SEX (ROLSEX) WHILE A Tardor guy fixes their drink and the GS simp is jacking off in their mother's basement!
>>18590979You see this piece of shit right there?It goes into the trash every time a Grand Soiko is serviced.
Imagine your on a plane.ROLEX guy is fucking his side bitch in the shitter.tudor guy is sitting next to the shitter and listening to it, wishing it was him doing the fucking.The steward is politely trying to ask ROLEX guy to vacate the restroom, his wearing a CWard.Wild card: the pilot is wearing a Breitling, he is sketchy.
>>18590994Wilder card: the pilot is wearing an F91w and you’re about to crash into a building.
>whoretamerdaFucking KEK. Turk REKT once again.
>>18590693I disagree, the 6119 I tried on didn't look its price tag up close.The finishing was great, but nothing stood out and the hands looked cheap and flimsy.
Anyone ever heard of a Chesterton? Got a call from a TD that who should be thanking me for putting his kids through college, thought it was gonna be for this Patek I've wanted for awhile but he said he had something better? Said it was called a Chesterton..?
>>18591051Did it have a heatsink caseback?
>>18590732>>18590754>>18591051>>18591058Millennial "humor" is unbearable.
Have we been sleeping on Mathey Tissot senpai??Having swiss made on the dial of my cope master is a nice change - but the branding on a lot of their models sucks ass.>WORLD WIDE WATCHES>VINTAGEI swear these companies would sell more watches if they didn't degrade them with tacky text.
>Heres your Rolex bro that'll be $10K for the restorationWill watches ever recover from youtube?
>>18591101Nice.
>>18590657Is this an ok daily? Is it /fa/?
>>18591066Are you 12 years old? Every sort of humor is unbearable to the generation that comes after it. Zoomer humor will be equally cringe and unbearable to the people who are now children. Stop referring everything to muh generations, you fucking brainwashed ape.
>>18590895>I usually prefer markers because I want to know what time it is.The nifty thing about the Hublot is that the bezel screws act as hour markers.The OG Hublot had twelve screws for this purpose, see pic.The new ones skip every other hour, leaving out all the odd hours. You can still easily tell the time.
>>18590886These really are classy.I wish they'd get Unico to make movements for these.
>>18590886>>18591114>>18591125puke-inducing shitters
I miss omegadrunk bros..
>quartz chronograph>no pushers
>>18591173Hey, so that's where GS got that bracelet>>18590924
This is the person who makes 60% of the posts in these threads
>>18591193He also takes 60% of cocks in his ass.
>>18591195Then I guess 60% of gays love dirty ass
>>18591173>>18591189I love how they copied the inner links
>>18591196How are you going to be gay and not tolerate dirty ass? How would that work?
>>18591213Idk, I guess femboys have a clean sugary ass
>>18591110i think you need a round case
>>18590657What type of watch strap would you recommend for this?Also which decade would you date this?
>>18591254Milanese - also, wet sand that crystal and polish it with a capecod cloth.
>>18591212Stolen valor.
>Slowed + reverb cover of Time by Pink Floyd starts playing>THIS SUMMER>Footage of a man crying outside a watch boutique and pounding on the glass.>RYAN GOSLING IS>Quick cuts between a man screaming in front of a laptop in a dark room and the same man wearing a dirty hoodie forcing his way through the crowd at Seiko fan event.>BITTERCELComing soon.
>>18590657I saw that watch in aliexpress
>>18591253Is this better ?
>>18591338Forgot pic
>>18591339ye but why is it on your wrist
>dual monopusher chronograph>rattrapante pointer date>single hand jump hour>skeletonized quartz movement>see-through bezel
Why are the Germans so incapable of making good and tasteful wristwatches?The Americans got there, the Swiss got there, hell even the japanese got there, but the Germans keep falling behind crafting gold tacky shitters thinking if they just cartoonishly exaggerate some features it'll make their product better.
>>18591034As Calatravas go, the 6119 is very elaborate, with the hands being triple surfaced and lots of dial furniture details.If that didn't immediately strike you as very high end, you need some new glasses.
>>18591368>Americans make tasteful wristwatcheshuh?
>>18591407>No zaratsu / Sallaz brothers tin wheel?Fucking lol, dogshit polishing.
>>18591425GS dial furniture isn't polished using zaratsu/sallaz.They're placed on wheels and turned against diamond milling tips.Then they're repositioned for each individual facet.
>>18591430
>>18591430>>18591431That means it's even easier for Patek to copy. God damn the Swiss are so lazy. If nuLange hadn't come along they'd still be putting European NH35s into overbuilt cases and charging 50k.
>>18591443>What must the tolerances be on the axle of this wheel, and the bearings, and the wheel itself?Pure insanity.>does that mean that the top surface of the markers is not flat but curved?Undoubtedly, but you'll never notice. Each marker is like a single degree of the circumference.You'd need some high tech measuring equipment to even notice any curvature.
What are your favorite watches posted ITT so far?For me it's >>18590657>>18590742 (the Explorer)>>18590898>>18590921>>18591101
>>18591450I hate watches.
>>18591450I really like >>18590898 I love the look of lapis lazuliI was pretty disappointed when I looked it up only to find out it's 31mm diameter.
Can someone help me ID this watch?I tried using keywords like Seiko SWR + gold + tank + solar but can't find this exact one
>>18591450I want to bury my face in her model weights if you know what I mean.
>>18591462SUP252 is the model number
>>18591450Is coffee good for you?
>>18591478Coffee lowers testosterone, increasing the likelihood of gyno.
Does /wt/ have a grail watch?
>>18591508I used to, but now that I have a couple of watches that match my personal A E S T H E T I C, I'm starting to lose interest in "muh horology" and I find the concept of a "grail watch" to be utterly retarded and very R*ddit.
>>18591508No, but we have a mini-grail.
>>18591508
>>18591508I have a micro-grail.
>>18591508>>18591513I’ve never liked the idea of a “grail” simply being something that is expensive.A grail does not necessarily need to be expensive, but it should have personal meaning to you and require a lot of effort and research to find. It’s reasonable for a grail to be possibly non-existent. If you want Alberto Santos-Dumont’s personal Cartier, for example.For me, my grail is my grandfather’s Breguet Empire. It was made back when those watches were all bespoke. My retarded uncle ended up selling it. If it’s still out there, I will find it.
>>18591530Yeah I think there's a difference between a true grail which can have historical and sentimental considerations versus a "lottery watch" you'd buy if you had unlimited money. If I had unlimited money I'd a Richard Lange PLM with tourbillion and fusee and chain. That watch is too big and not easy to read, but it sure is cool.
>>18591530That’s pretty unbased of him. Unless, of course, he bought a Rolex instead — now that would be pretty based, actually.
>>18590657What is this watch called and how much is it
avaturdello pls go
help me pick between these two.just looking for something nice for the officei enjoy both looks but i'll be honest i don't know a whole lot about watches
>>18590657For me is the 39mm tag heuer carrera. Maybe oneday if I get promotion ill treat myself. Actually, I wamt to try that on before ordering one. That's spensive.
>>18591584Cartier Tank NormaleBetween 7k and 50k $/€ depending on the model, year, movement, condition, etc.
>>18591474thanks
I like ball watches. I have a chinese watch with tritium tubes but a real swiss watch with tritium would be the bees knees
>>18591407>irl it's extremely obvious when a watch is high end>I disagree, I didn't think this watch looked high end up close>then you need some new glassesHad it been so obvious how high end the 6119 is I would obviously have noticed.>>18591443>tolerances on the shaftScarcely relevant because of the very short distance between the bearing and the wheel, even a general purpose shaft found in a good quality electric motor could be used.>tolerances on the bearingsABEC-9 is more than likely enough, you can buy a pack of 20 swiss made bearings with these tolerance for some 120USD on amazon.>tolerances on the wheel.1um to .01um, though the wheel can be re-finished in house if the rest of the system has tight enough tolerances.Producing and finishing an accurate movement's parts is a lot more difficult and requires much finer machinery.
>>18591615There is nothing swiss about balls.
Honestly if your watch isn't a>Rolex>Cartier>JLC>Patek>VC>AP>MAYBE Omega and a few other brandsThen I'm not interested in what you have to say about horology. Or anything else really.I'm sure you're a great guy and all, but we don't belong to the same world you and I.
>>18591552His dad (my grandfather) had just died and he was the one responsible for getting rid of all his stuff. My father and my aunt didn’t want anything. People don’t think clearly when a loved one has just died. Some people want to keep everything, others just want to get rid of everything.I was just 16 at the time so no one asked me if I wanted anything.Every Breguet Empire in yellow gold that comes up for sale, though, I check out because the caseback is engraved. If it ever comes up for sale, I’m buying it.
>>18591666Now that I know this I'm going to buy every Breguet Empire with an engraved caseback and record videos of me inserting each watch in my anus and then post the webm here.
>>18591644How do you mean? Its a swiss bramd in in house movements
>>18591644Oh is it because of ball using ETA and sellita movements? With due dilligence one can find a chronometer certified, in-house made ball movement..
>>18591676No it literally is not swiss, it was an american brand that used to buy watches from other brands and sell them as their own and now it is owned by chinese and made in china.
>>18591605Nigga only a retard would spend that on a watch yall niggas stupid lmao lol
>>18591661So you at least get one interaction in your life before dying unloved and alone ill throw you a (you), out of pity.
>>18591681They’re usually 35mm, but because they were all made to order, they can be found in a variety of sizes and configurations.
>>18591704What if 50k for me is like 5 for you? Would I still be retarded? Uh?
>>18591715Yea "what if" buddy roflmfao
Kofe time.
>>18591101Keyed
>>18591784
>>18591776It's whisky time.
Yeah pretty much the same
>>18591799Cool watch, nice stepped case. Too bad about that big ass JB at 12.
>>18591802I quite like the B thing desu
>>18591799(You) bought a new watch. Sorry (You) haven’t been getting as many (You)s as you wanted. Maybe the posters here don’t appreciate how nice the watch (You) bought is. If it’s any consolation, I don’t think (You) have a bad watch and, considering Blancpain’s poor value retention, (You) probably got a really good deal. I can’t think of a better way (You) could have spent (You)r 4 grand.
>>18591839s-s.. so many (you)'s... I-.. I can't...hold it a-anymore *mnnghh*
ngl this is my new grail. and it's not even that crazy expensive. to me this is THE luxury tool-like dress-y watch I would wear every day
>>18591699Its not made in china..
>>18591632Wow I sound super autistic here.But I still stand by the part about noticing a high end watch.
>>18590657>99% perfect watch>ugly crownits over
>>18591704can confirm>t. retard
>>18590657A Cartier edition. Nice. This is my beaten up Cartier which I need fixed. My birthday wish was that it be fixed up and working.
>>18590657name a more early 2000s watch. 50k retail btw
>>18591857Ah yes the Neptune. The Cubitus of its time.
>>18591784Open heart immediately makes a watch look like cheap mall shit.
>>18592090Surely 2x certified would be enough?
>>18592093I don't actually care about the certification, but the design is superb. There is also a 39 mm "common" variant but the dial and hands are a bit simpler.
Seeing pictures of the Santos de Cartier really didn't do anything for me at all. But I went to an AD to check some JLCs out and tried one on because they were there, and kinda liked it.Then I went to another AD to look at other watches and tried one on again, and fuck me I found myself really liking it. Specifically the medium size, I think the two tone model was my favorite. The titanium was cool but it's damn near the same price as the two tone, and I can't help the fact that something so light just feels cheap.
>>18592090Nice Junghans.
>>18592096Woman's watch... Don't do it... No......
>>18590875A pussy is just meat and bacterias.Everything needs a story to sell.
>>18592161I liked the grey dial large model but the date window ruins it.
>>18591857Do you like it because it’s a Patek? Because I guarantee the if it said Movado on the dial or something, it wouldn’t be as attractive.The indifferently printed dial, the default font choice, the poorly placed subdials, the bezel that’s too wide and too flat.Patek’s attempt at a 90s style sports watch is nowhere near as coherent as something like the Vacheron Phidias, for example.
>>18592173The Cartier Santos Large looks horrendous and I dare (You) or anyone else in this thread to post a wrist shot that looks good. And before you do, ask yourself if the Medium would look better. The answer is always YES.
>>18592181Truth nuke.
>>18592181Modern Movado would never make a watch like this, so we'll never know.
>>18592088Annular Bearing Engineering Committee.It's a common scale for ball bearing tolerances; it goes from 1 to 9, with higher numbers meaning tighter tolerances.
Thoughts on new Timex x Noah shitter?
>>18592267Noah.
>gf wants a watch>decide to buy her one for Christmas>3-5k€ budget because things are getting serious with her>spend hours looking for the perfect watch from various brands, new, vintage, etc>read articles and watch hundreds of videos about womens watches>can't find the right watch, almost become insane>gf just texted me picrel saying "Anon can you pls get me this one? I love it so much lololol">mfw it's a 100€ shitterFuckin' women, amirite?
>>18592295a watch is a cool accessory to most people out there btw. 0.(0)1% of actual humans you see on the street care about shit like movement and whatever watchfags obsess over
>>18592298The general rule is to never buy a [thing] to someone who has a deep interest in [thing].If the person doesn't care that much about watches, I think it's better to buy one you like (based on the taste of the person who receives it, obviously) and maybe have it engraved or whatever. It's much more personal that saying "buy whatever the fuck you like".
So... I haven't been paying attention for a while... is there some reason the FPJ Chronometer Bleu costs 5x as much as it used to now?
>>18592339Horology is a hobby of acquiring Veblen goods in the first place, and the western world is increasingly segmented into the 0.5% for whom money is essentially meaningless because they have more than anyone could spend, 9.5% who do well enough but can't afford that many splurges (like FPJ), and 90% who have to keep expenses in check just to get through the month. FPJ (and others in that tier whose prices have also gone up significantly) are really now trying to target that 0.5% consumer instead of the 9.5%.
>>18592352
>>18591508Idk, but if I ever were properly wealthy I'd pay Sinn to rebuild my 856UTC with some random complication that would be cool, maybe a microscopically tiny world time ring.
>>18592339>>18592347There's a theory that says Journe's gray market price are manipulated by Govberg/1916 Company.
>>18592347>is a hobby of acquiring Veblen goods in the first placein less smart words, watch fags only care about the price tag
>>18592347I think you’re really overestimating how much money someone in that 90-99% has.
>>18592362Based bad faith argument maker churning up the waters again.
>>18592364veblen goods are literally that. i understand you're trying to sound smart by saying big words but google the meaning of them
>>18592365>smart words smart words!!Sounds like you might be a little insecure if you’re worried about others using “smart” words.It’s okay, though, little buddy. We’re all anonymous here.
>>18592367nice damage control fella
>>18592363I honestly debated the 2nd tier being 95-99.5%, but honestly someone at the low-90s of income percentile *could* afford a 5-figure watch if he was otherwise thrifty, just as he can afford a new 'luxury' mass-market car (i.e. BMW, Mercedes, etc) once every 8-10 years.
>>18592362The other folks replying to you aren't me, fwiw. That said, you're two-thirds of the way there, but Veblen goods can still have other qualities besides price that people care about, but along with those qualities is an increase in demand that corresponds with an increase in price.Not trying to put on airs with the language, it was just the first way of describing the phenomenon that came to mind.
>>1859237090th percentile income in the US is about 200k pre-tax these days. If this person has no other expenses, he could potentially afford a 10k watch, but that’s not realistic. Between the typical expenses of house, car, student loans, kids’ schooling, retirement savings, spending 5% of your annual income on a trinket seems unlikely.If he’s single, no kids, zero debt, owns his house, then obviously he can buy what he wants, but guys like that are relatively uncommon and are usually too socially maladjusted to care about watches. They’re probably just buying crypto or something.
>>18592373>The other folks replying to you aren't me, fwiwDoesn’t matter. Bittercel is mad at everyone in the thread at all times.
>>18592339Journe has leveled up his alcoholism so he needs more booze money.
>>18591632>Had it been so obvious how high end the 6119 is I would obviously have noticed.Well no because you need new glasses, remember?The 6119 is about the same quality of external finishing as a JLC, dial texture alone is unlike anything you'd see on a mallwatch.
>>18591799>Yeah pretty much the samelol
>>18591857Nice but I'd rather this
>>18592431This has to be one of the ugliest Patek ever made.
>>18592433You know, it you really scan their back catalog, most Patek’s are actually ugly as sin.
>>18592433If they announced it was coming out today it wouldn't even be the ugliest Patek this year.
>>18592434>>18592436Just to be clear, I was thinking of pre-Thierry Stern Patek.
>>18592352So close yet so far
>>18592448Maybe in person or in higher resolution video it would look good, but the pattern makes it look busy and crazy
Leak of the new Omega Planet Ocean (42mm).
>>18592467
>>18592467That leak is over a month old but at least now we know how bad it will look when it’s mounted on the wrist of some fat Arab.
>>18592467Polished center links on a “tool watch”. Another classic Omega fuckup. The Jeets and sandniggers will love it though.
>go to Omega website>select Aqua Terra>select available now>select bracelet only (to get rid of the duplicate entries)>84 results
>>18592491Oh yeah, Omega puts out tons of SKUs. They’ve been that way for decades. It’s a real trip the first time you peruse their catalogue.
>>18592491Omega's line up is a fucking mess.>the new RAILmaster belongs to the SEAmaster collection>the Constellation collection has two models: the Globemaster... and the Constellation>The DeVille collection is just a bunch of low tier watches that don't fit anywhere else (including their tourbillon)>a shit ton of random models like the Seamaster 300 in platinum with a malachite dial on alligator strap
>>18590933Just get their normal mechanical or their quartz and Wallah (as they say in Europe).
>>18592503DISSSSSSGUSTING.Not a fan of their meteorite dials either. This stone fad needs to die.
>>18592503>Omega's line up is a fucking mess.Always has been.Then again, does it really matter? You can only wear one watch at a time and, if you like it, you’d have to be three different kinds of autistic to care about how their catalog is organized.
>>18592473>its okay when Rolex does it
>>18592527Who are you quoting? Or is this one of those “rent free” situations?
>>18592375>too socially maladjusted to care about watcheslolwutbecause people in online watch communities seem incredibly well socially adjusted lmao
>>18592503This is a weird cringe configuration but the seamaster 300 heritage is quietly one of the best watches in the line.Can we get a list of decent watches currently in production at omega?>Seamaster 300 Pro>Seamaster 300>Any speedmaster that's not a weird busy mess with extra complications and all blacked out hands and markers.>Aquaterra>Railmaster(it's just an aquaterra)>Milano Cortina SeamasterI think that's it? Everything else is just a forgettable bloated shitter.
>Ferrari-91w
>>18592530how is it a classic omega fuckup if Rolex been doing it for decades
>>18592545Because Omega always fucks something obvious up. This has nothing to do with your Rolex obsession. Even Rolex owners dislike PCLs.Within Swatch’s own brands, GO changed the bracelet of its diver from polished to brushed center links. If anything, that suggests that Swatch does not exert such tight control over its brands.
>>18592375>90th percentile income in the USThe world moron not US.
>>18592467all they had to do was make the 39.5 PO thinner lol
>>18592564>my unimportant country matters too!lol, no it doesn’t
>>18592181I like it because it's a Patek I like. Sue me. It's got the right size for my baby wrists, it has this roughness in the bezel that reminds me of the rigged Brando GMT, it has that satisfyingly think Patek crown. I love the dynamic dial, and that it has a moophase. It's delightfully ecletic.>>18592081This however... ever since you pointed it out---I think I'll have to rethink my grail.Maybe I'll just need to break into goldbergers home before the next watch convention and steal his green dial platinum nautilus. heh. if you can't beat the elitists join them.
>>18592375Do you honestly think someone who makes $200k a year would struggle to buy a luxury swiss watch? Some people who make half that will spend that much on vacations in a year, maybe more. If you really enjoy watches spending $10k on something you enjoy that's going to last you decades really isn't that much. Some people spend thousands of dollars a year on golf equipment or Warhammer figures or whatever else. It's okay to put money into stuff you enjoy.
>>18592587>Do you honestly think someone who makes $200k a year would struggle to buy a luxury swiss watch? Yes. You’re not there yet, but when you do, you’ll realize how expensive shit can be, especially if you live in the part of the country where getting a 200k job is possible.I know people who make that much and are living practically hand to mouth.
>>18592587By the time you’re making 200k, you’re probably married and have at least one kid. At that point, expenses become obscene.
>>18592593If you're living hand to mouth on $200k you're an absolute degenerate mongoloid retard.
>>18592361How would they do that?
A sales assistant that was helping me a couple weeks ago posted this on his WhatsApp story.
>>18592512>Then again, does it really matter?Offering too much choice cheapens the brand so yeah.
>>18592537In the current catalogue I like>Moonwatch (black or white dial)>FOIS that has been released last year>Railmaster>Ploprof (although I don't know if it's discontinued or not)The Aqua Terra Shades are alright if you like the over polished look, but I hate the date window at 6. I'd get a Railmaster before an AT.And that's pretty much it. Their divers don't do anything for me.
>>18590887>Don't care, didn't ask.lol you're the one who brought up those dials retard
>>18592753You're literally me.
>>18592713why do the logos look AI generated loldid he fucking ask grok to make this
>>18592753>rich bitch watch sponsor events
NEW THREAD>>18592794>>18592794>>18592794>>18592794>>18592794
>>18592713>A MANGE & SOHNEAI slop
>>18592295didn't even know there were cheap clones of Cartier Crash. that's kind of cool
>>18592713>BS Grand SeikoYup, seems about right.
>>18592090I'm in love
>>18592090>>18593314150k smackaroonies, holy hell.This has to be the ultimate under the radar HH piece.The watch is 39mm, so the movement has to be something like 36mm.Pic related is the more mainstream equivalent.>minimalist white Bauhaus dial with subdial(s)>almost bezel-less round case>blued furniture>massive movement that fills the entire case (38mm on the IWC)
>>18592713>Glashuiue TorreuurBy far my favourite HH brand.
What happened? This thread had 310+ replies. Some faggot got banned?
>>18593674first time on /wt/?
>>18593314Bump.
>>18592713Mange should be in its own higher tier.Wiitingauer needs to be higherPiaget deserves to be higher but Piaget whould be at least one tier below.Clopord belongs on the same tier as TAG Reuoo.Fireegfkome Constunt needs to be one or two tiers higher.
Bump.
