>spend $850 at Suit Supply and get all the alterations done>look like shit>spend $1500 at Proper Cloth for "custom" suit>still end up looking like an absolute clownDo I need to charter a jet and fly to naples or what in the FUCK is the problem? I just want to look normal. Not baggy, not skinny. Just fucking normal.
>>18610912No, you just need to stop being a fucking pathetic retard. Shitsupply and Nigger Cloth? Seriously? Bro you either go thrifting or take a plane to Naples and get your tailoring shit done there. It’s an art, not a fucking videogame you play after being on reddit. If you look like shit it’s your fault. Grow the fuck up.
>>18610915>go thriftingPost your 1970s polyester suit with pit stains so we can laugh
>>18610912If that photo is you, you had them cut the suit in the faggiest way possible.
>>18610920If I knew how to cut the suit myself do you think I'd even be here? Obviously I would cut my own damm suit, I thought they were supposed to be pros. How do normal people do this?
>>18610917Stupid fucking clown. I gave you two options. If you’re poor you go thrifting. If you have the money you fly to Italy. There is no middle solution that will look acceptable. Thrifting bad? WRONG YOU FUCKING TARD. I GOT THREE SPORT COATS MADE IN ITALY OF PURE VIRGIN WOOL AND CASHMERE FOR 15 BUCKS EACH, ALL OF THEM MY SIZE. JEALOUS, MOTHERFUCKER? LEARN WHERE TO LOOK. Or back to meme sites and keep looking like a clown.
>>18610922>no pic
>>18610912>Proper ClothIs this a chain? If yes you fucked up.Just go to an independent tailor and ask for on-body pictures of recent suits he’s done
>>18610912It doesn't help that you keep dressing like a fag. You wear a collar chain, a jacket chain, no socks, and a DB waistcoat with a skinny necktie. You dress like a millennial circa 2011.
>>18610912You have the wrong body type for that cut. There's nothing wrong with the suit itself. Next time you pay for an expensive service, and yes it is expensive even at an entry point, talk to the people doing it more. Tell them what kind of shape you want to have and so on and so forth before you ever pay or have alterations done. It might be that you're simply trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.
>>18610912I have an ectomorph body with low upper body mass (lifting to correct it). My problem with suits is that they make me look small, with a small head between two large jacket shoulders. This happens even in "slimfit" ones. If I take the jacket off I look great. Does anyone know what style would fit better?
>>18610921You should do some research on classic menswear. You'd have learned a few things:1. You've no business getting a burgundy suit as your first purchase, and the colour makes your skin look like the skin of a pig,2. Peak lapels are outdated and out of place unless you're in black tie or morning dress,3. Your trousers are too skinny and the cuff is too high, which makes you look like a 2010 throwback,4. Your waistcoat is cut comically deep. It looks retarded.
>just get it tailored>go see a tailorHave you people never bought a suit before? You can't buy a suit anywhere, ANYWHERE, without having a tailor do something to it. That isn't useful information. It's like saying "make sure to tap the credit card to the credit card tap thingy", yes, that's how purchasing works, you aren't contributing anything useful.The question is how do you get a suit that looks like a normal ass BORING suit that fits, without spending $15,000.>but you did it wrong, you should tell them to use different measurementsYes that's why I'm asking, can YOU tell me how many millimeters to use? No, you can't. And neither can I. So how do I find someone who can?
>>18610939Yes of course it looks retarded, I am trying to not look like a retard, I don't need to be told I look like a retard because I can see that. I need to know WHERE to go, so that I can pay someone who knows what they're doing and won't just sell me some shit that makes me look like a teenager going to prom.
>>18610946>I need to know WHERE to go, so that I can pay someone who knows what they're doing and won't just sell me some shit that makes me look like a teenager going to promYou can't rely on the MTM/bespoke company to make these choices for you. Have you ever walked into a shop, asked for advice, and realised you know 10x more than the employees? That'll be your experience with any non-luxury suit seller in 2025. You have to go to the really high end (think Savile Row) if you want someone to dress you properly. You need to do the research and provide instructions to the company.Start here: https://www.permanentstyle.com/the-guide-to-suit-style
>>18611046Yes I know how to read the art of manliness, I'm not asking about no brown in town, I'm asking where normally dressed males who don't look like they were dressed by the internet go for suits. Trying to learn how to cut and stitch your own suits is not an option. This is like asking where can I find a good place to eat and /ck/ recommends either Noma or going to the CIA, and if those aren't acceptable answers they spam "fallow" youtube slop, clearly it is possible to get good food without being a retard about it, so what's the deal with suits?
>>18610912just use poshmark or ebay and get vintage wool suits you pathetic retarded faggot
>>18611081I don't want suits where the trousers have piss stains in the lining
>>18610912Why did you get a gay ass skinny suit if you didn't want a gay ass skinny suit? OP stop asking for gay ass skinny suits that might solve your gay ass skinny suit problem
>>18610917I have brioni, Armani, and oscar de la renta suits from thrifting.
>>18610921They tell the tailor not to make them a gay ass skinny fit suit. Are you being obtuse?
>>18610945They are called "tailors"
>>18611080What are you even asking? "Where do I get a regularly cut suit?". The answer is "where they sell those". If youre asking "where do I get advice on what a suit should look like" then the answer is "a good tailor". Are you not able to ask your father these things anon?
>>18610912Planet Fitness is $120
>>18610912HOLY FUCK THIS SUIT
>>18611080i have two MTM stores i go to. i also used Suitsupply to get something made in a hurry. as another guy said, you should have some knowledge of what you want before going and guiding the stylist to fit you properly. if the OP is you from suitsupply, you simply got done dirty by your stylist. the colour, the lapel type and width, the vest, the overall fit, it's all wrong. when i go to these places, i already know what fabric and color/pattern and what lapels i want. then it's just about finding the cloth they have, and once that's done, i tell them how i want it to fit, how much room i want in the legs and how wide i want my lapel to be. essentially i give them all the info they need i'd be curious to know how your fitting sessions went
>>18611102I told them that, it didn't work. Are YOU?>>18611103The guys who made me look like a clown are called that too, apparently there's no certifying authority that gatekeeps the title.>>18611107Where do they sell those? The guy who did my father's suits is dead and he hasn't bought another since he retired.>>18611150You apparently have to have more than "some" knowledge, like knowing in advance the specific number of millimeters in the back rise, front rise, waist, bicep, forearm, etc. "Don't make me look like a retard in a skinny suit" doesn't work. As any of you ought to know if you actually had a suit, which, I'm starting to realize, none of you do. Oh well. It's 4chan. Wouldn't expect a michelin starred chef on /ck/ either. The frustrating part is that I would have expected a men's suit seller in real life to understand enough about suits to get a repeat customer but so far it hasn't happened.I think the real answer is men don't wear suits anymore so the expertise just isn't there unless you fly to naples and spend 15 thousand euro bucks. Does anyone actually wear a suit in anger anymore? No. Wearing a suit to work is career suicide. No wonder it's impossible to buy one now.
>>18610939>2. Peak lapels are outdated and out of place unless you're in black tie or morning dressWhat? You're spot on with your other points but dead wrong here especially with classic "golden era" looks coming back. Now, if you're talking the business world where everyone wears sport coats I'll agree as peaks don't belong on sport coats, but the only thing offensive about them here is they look shit in skinny form. OP doesn't seem to be buying a suit for business (who even does these days?).>>18610946If you want to do decent research read up on "Dressing the Man" by Allen Flusser. As for where, if you want almost guaranteed good results you need to find a proper non chain menswear shop in your area that does MtM. Evaluate what the the shopkeeper and his associates in the shop wear, as well as the examples on their mannequins. If you like their style find out more about their options and set up an appointment and be prepared to spend up to a few hours talking details. You will need to know fairly well what you want but that point otherwise you are wasting your time and the shop's time. >>18611436>Naples That's where the skinny suit meme began, you're better off going to London if you want to throw down stupid amounts of money.As for measurements you need to do your homework and guide who you are working with. Want very high rise pants for use with suspenders, just tell them you want it up to your navel and they take the measurements for you. They will probably have you try on a suit that is approximately the way you want then use that to base their measurements off of.
>>18611459I don't understand why it should require HOURS of talking, and I feel that you must be making things up. Alan Flusser's look is pretty nice, I wasn't really looking to spend 5 thousand buckarinos though. I am not buying a suit "for business" but I'm looking for a suit that *could* pass for a business suit. Certainly not planning on wearing it to the next clothing-optional beach party at Jacob Riis Park though I know most people on /fa/ would, if anyone invited them to one.Regarding naples memes, are you sure you're not just talking about stuff like less shoulder padding than what armani popularized in the 90s? Picrel is attolini's current collection, it's not baggy by any means but I wouldn't call it "skinny" either. If I could walk out of a shop with a fit like this I'd stop complaining but I don't have attolini money to throw around.
>>18610912nigga wtf you doing posting on 4chan go back to 2fort
>>18611436>. As any of you ought to know if you actually had a suit, which, I'm starting to realize, none of you doi have 5 suits and 4 blazers. you don't need to every dimensions by heart, but you should know where the jacket falls, where the sleeves end. the rest is figured out by the tailor by you trying a suit and see where they need to make adjustments. again, you might have gotten a bad tailor or didn't specify properly what you were looking for. that happens with every professional service. even if you flex to Naples and didn't know what to ask or by bad luck got a bad tailor, you might end up with an ill fitting suit. when you don't understand what makes a suit look good or bad and you hope to god that the person helping you does and fills all the gaps, you're taking a big risk.as for your lapels, peak lapels are very formal and typically belong on double-breasted suits where the lapels will be wider. imo they look out of place on single breasted suits. maybe it'd work with a pinstripe power suit, but not on a burgundy skinny suit
>>18611588So every customer should be a DIY artisan who knows how the fabric ought to drape in advance of walking into a shop? They should be able to look at the 5 different angled mirrors they're standing inside, and instantly be able to tell that the weird divot in the forearm is caused by the elbow being the wrong angle? The top of the lapel puckering in that unfortunate way is caused by the shoulder slope being 0.5 inches too far to the front? This is your take?Yeah uh. This is going to sound crazy but maybe people shouldn't be cutting clothes for a living if they can't provide this kind of advice. Just give the customer a pair of scissors, a needle, and some color matched thread, and let them take care of the whole thing at home. Otherwise it sets the expectation that they're actually receiving useful advice on the fit rather than just inputting proportions using a random number generator.
>>18611601i don't get why you're mad at me for telling you how to shop intelligently for an expensive item. yeah, if you invest money into something expensive, you should do your homework beforehand. the average person doesn't know how to dress and how a suit should fit, so most people have ill-fitting suits. they don't know that it looks bad because they don't know how it should look in the first place or simply don't care. they have a suit and think "good enough"again, you didn't say how the fitting session went and what you told them. the "standard" is slim-fit, so if you didn't specify the fit, they went with what you have now. since i don't like slim fit, i'm more specific in my requests
>>18611611Does it seem reasonable to expect the average person to understand tailoring better than a professional tailor?And what are some benchmarks representing "standard" and "slim fit" to you? Can you post a pic or two (not a drawing)? Another poster (I assume not you) said that naples style tailoring is "slim fit". Is this >>18611478 slim fit? If it is, and if I specifically said I didn't want slim fit, and nonetheless got something substantially slimmer than >>18611478, then what word should I have used instead?
>>18611614>Does it seem reasonable to expect the average person to understand tailoring better than a professional tailor?how about you tell me how the fitting session went? they usually ask you questions to guide you to your final product, so i'm really curious to know how they did their job Suitsupply also has a guide on their fits. https://suitsupply.com/en-ca/journal/jacket-fit-guide.htmlalso they you get it off the rack w/ adjustements or did you make on from scratch?
>>18611436I own 10 or 15 suits. I've never had this "I told the tailor not to make me look terrible and then he made me look terrible and I still paid for the suit and worn it" problem. Do you not talk to the tailor?
I always tell my guy to make them look like 80s suits
>>18611683i do the exact same lol. looks dope every time
>>18610912You probably do not have a normal body
>>18611683I go in asking for 30s cuts, but 80s shares a lot of stylist cues. I think the 80s powers it look is a bit much but I'll take it any day over skinny shit.
>>1861175180s powersuit look*
How about suits like this? What cues do I hive to the tailor?
Also a big fan of the suits featured in the Anime “Monster”. Are these all 90s suits?
>>18611885you show the tailor a bunch of photos.But don't be a fucking retard: go comb second hand shops. Should be a ton of 90's shit in lots of them now.Unlikely you're going to find a tailor who can do this anymore.
>>18611885a relaxed fit/going for a casual look. little more room in the pants, full break with no hempretty sure that's seersucker and patch pockets.
>>18612072natural shoulders too
>>18611680considering he went to Suitsupply, im pretty sure he picked that suit directly off the rack and the tailor made minor adjustements. and now he's pissed about it even though he chose the fit
>>18612093That makes sense. And your explanation of Proper Cloth producing a shit result is....?
>>18612097you're on a board with 99% flyovers and canadians, no one ITT has a proper cloth showroom near them
>>18610912>I just want to look normalno amount of money or cloth will make that happen
>>18612097never been to Proper Cloth so not sure how they work. if he went in for a consultation and didn't know what to ask, he got fucked. and if he bought it online, then it's even worse. but if it's like other MTM stores, it's still OP that has to select the fabric, fit and details on the suit. if you have no idea what you're asking for or let the stylist make all the decisions, you could end up with a shitty suit. if OP ever explained how the consultations went, we'd have a better idea on what to do in the future, but he hasn't answered yet.
>>18611459>especially with classic "golden era" looks coming backI'm happy to be corrected. I'm not seeing that in my sector in England. >>18611080>Yes I know how to read the art of manlinessYou're too obtuse to just grasp what everyone in this thread has told you. Modern tailors and retail staff cannot help you. You have to get the knowledge yourself. You get it online from people who look good and know what they're talking about, or you go to a high end tailor that you probably can't afford. I sent you the link to a decent beginner resource. You turned your nose up at it. I hope you drown in your soup and get buried in your burgundy suit you total faggot.
>>18610912bumping so people can still see what a retard OP is
>>18614463Thanks for bumping because the first time I saw it I knew it was weirdly familiar. Fucking Irish dancing suit he even looks like he's doing a little jig kek
>>18614463thanks anon
>>18614468it was close to getting pruned. imagine deciding to buy a custom suit and those were the choices you made topkek
Wait, did OP take the suit that was horrible? Like did he not try it on before he paid for it? I don't understand what happened here at all, did he get bullied into buying that horrible suit?
>>18614499he thought the "tailor" knew what he was doing and was too fucking dumb to ask all the right questions.I'm still partially of the thought that this is all just an elaborate troll, because no one who hangs out on /fa/ would have picked that fabric or that cut or that vest or that shapeless tie or those shoes or that vest or everythingthere's not a single redeeming feature of OP's pic. not one.
>>18614521I don't why he spends the thread calling other people retards when he wore that outside in public.
>>18614521yeah I was right. we got playedhttps://bojoni.com/products/louis-slim-fit-burgundy-suit
you can see he is in the store when he takes that pic. And he's posing in the pic like a little girl, like you can see he likes the suit. This is just odd.
>>18614525oh thank the lawd. Why is the model posing like that though? So many questions. Bojoni what are you guys doing?
>>18614529At least that trash is only half the price OP claimed. Also as always, OP is a massive faggot.
>>18614529you know why:because like >>18614531 said, just like OP... poser is also a massive faggot
>>18610937yeah just don't wear a jacket. It's not a necessity. I work weddings all the time and many men forgo jackets or wear them for 5 minutes before it goes to their gf or gets hung on the back of their chair.Just because an outfit CAN include a certain garment doesn't mean it has to. You don't always need a jacket the same way you don't always need a hat.
>>18614525Or he saw this pic and liked it, bought it off the rack then brought it to a tailor to get cut. I really want to see what it looks like on him now
>>18614543>just wear a waistcoat>without a jacket
>>18614543are you fucking retarded
>>18614588Have you ever seen a person wear a suit outside of a still imageOnly social situations call for a full suit incl waistcoat. Lots of people in a room with drinking and likely dancing.Full suits get fucking hot. People remove jackets off for comfort or just leave them at home. It's entirely common.
>>18614654>Have you ever seen a person wear a suit outside of a still imageyes. have you ever been to a decent restaurant or a club? have you ever gone out to the opera or a show? have you ever been in a bank or seen a live jazz band play? have you ever been to a company party? have you ever been to a wedding or a funeral?do you ever leave your house?
>>18610915>>18610922>memes and reddit, clown! Get on my level. I'm right and you're wrong and that's all!I hate anons like you. Your insulting posts are helpful to no one.
>>18610945My sister went to China and got amazing fitted clothes for the whole family for really cheap. They have different levels of quality but it would all seem cheap to us. The people with the best fabrics and tailors and equipment are still less than half the cost of even entry level for everyone else. They can make you stuff from scratch, including knockoffs. Or you can buy things off the rack that they then quickly hem to your proportions. And they have all levels of pricing and quality. You can get designer quality from some of them. So before going to Paris or Milan or something, go to China and spend 1/5 on equal quality.
>>18614543#Florida
>>18612101lol, Pat Riley.
>>18614654you must be a ghettonigger or poojeet in Mumbai if this is what you believe
>>18614671Pat Riley was /fa/ af
>>18614671https://www.instagram.com/p/DOQowFVkkCy/?img_index=12https://www.tiktok.com/@elliot_duprey/video/7350410425709727019
>>18614654A good suit jacket, blazer or sport coat is comfy. It's like wearing a hoodie for people with class.
I married an italian woman in italy. Her father's friend was a tailor, son of a tailor who himself was a son of a tailor. And his wife was a seamstress. He tailored my suit for the wedding as a wedding gift. It was kino as hell. Unfortunately he passed a few years later and his wife a few years after that.
>>18614745I forgot to mention, part of their gift was that his wife tailored my wife's dress as well.
>>18614654yes nigger i wear a suit everyday, I have a big boy business. If you wear a waistcoat / vest then you definitely need a fucking jacket. Youre argument that the jacket is the dispensable garment in this set up is retarded dog shit. It belays a lack of understanding. You may take your jacket off at a wedding and at that point be wearing your vest, sure. But to forgo a jacket entirely and then wear just the vest is barbarian tier shit and disgusting, frankly.
>>18610912Just try on a few fits from BB or RL and then take it to a tailor.
>>18611081>>18611085I got this 90s french suit for 60 euros off the second hand market. It could've done with a bit of tailoring to look even better, but I'm happy with it and there certainly aren't any piss stains I've spotted.Just look for 100% wool suits that look to be in good condition. It's not rocket science.
>>18616148french culture sucks, its studying for exams for 25 years
>>18616210university admissions in the US are based a lot less of exams than their european counterparts, leading to a more relaxed education. instead they're going to judge based on race, genitalia, and jewishness which you can't do much about
>>18610912You could spend a million dollars trying to tailor a suit for an anorexic or morbidly obese man, but they will still look like shit no matter what. Sometimes the problem isn't the clothes.
>>18616773oy vey!
Should I fall for the vintage armani suit meme?
>>18614669>just spend 4k on flights and hotels bro it's way cheaper
>>18616820Yes. Pay thousands of dollars for a glorified bathrobe.
>>18614673>>18614677you'll never get one of those mtm chinese/indian/wherever companies to cut a suit like this. the "get it tailored" meme is literally just a meme. all those companies will cut the suit based on their own style, which apparently is still the 2010 slim/skinny fit. imagine if you owned a company and you outsourced something to china/india, they'll say "yeah yeah we can do that" but in the end they just give you a product that they know how to make. this is why all those suits look off, they reflect the geographic region they came from. if you want an italian style suit, you just go to a store that sell's italian suits. it will be expensive, everyone at the store will be old and the clothes will actually look really boring on the rack and on you if you're not wearing the whole outfit to go with it.
>>18616148That's an impressive find anon.I haven't got it anymore. But my first sport coat was a green tweed jacket in my size that I found in an abandoned, waiting for demolition old folks home that I was exploring with my friends.
>>18610912The standard has always been if you want a good a suit you need to spend an ounce worth of gold.
>be me>lawyer>get all my suits from suit supply>always tell the tailor not to make me look like a gay faggot and give me a straight leg pants with no taper and a slightly loose fitting vest so I can actually raise my arms above my hips with out my suit folding in a million places>live in a big city i can wear double breasted fuck offWow OP so fucking hard. They literally make the suit exactly how you tell them. Guess you asked to look like a gay escort.escorts.Also ignore the bottom I edited out my gfs underwear from the foreground
>>18617247> Also ignore the bottom I edited out my gfs underwear from the foregroundWHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU DO THATpost underwear
>>18617250There's already a decent chance she'll find this post and complain at me about not censoring the dog, which i dont care he's cool let people see him.Point i was making is that OP 100% specifically asked for his suit to be made like that. They literally ask you how you want it made every step of the way.
>>18617114thanks anon, there's plenty of high quality stuff out there if you know what to look for. people get rid of suits all the time.and it's always nice if a piece comes with a cool little story of how you got it
>>18611751What's the difference between 30s, 80s, and whatever else you're contrasting them with? You don't have to write it out, but if you have a good resource I could read for this stuff I'd appreciate it.
>>18617806So some similarities between the eras is that they had wide, usually peaked lapels and wide shoulders, also double breasted was a very popular option. Both utilize drape cuts, however 80s suits utilize soft tailoring (pretty much the default these days) which leads to somewhat less refined silhouette but is supposed to be more comfortable. Has to do with internal construction. I believe there's also less waist suppression in the 80s, and the shoulders are more padded for a built up presentation (think football linebacker look), vs the more natural shoulder level of the 30s. Fabric in the 30s was also much heavier generally than in the 80s affecting drape. Braces were commonly worn for both eras and pants are high and full cut. There's probably some stuff I'm missing admittedly.Decent resources are Gentleman's Gazette and Vintage Dancer, but the latter won't tell you much about 80s suits as suits were well out of being normal wear by that point.
He's a similar angle with someone wearing a vintage suit from the 30s. The differences are pretty subtle but there's a few if you look.
