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Minoxidil (liquid and tabs) is a vasodialator that opens potassium channels and widens blood vessels bringing nutrients to your hair follicles, stimulating them into thickening, accelerating growth and elongating the growth phase. Min is taken with fin to restore your hair to it's original hairline, thickness and vigor when hair loss is caught early enough, (pre-NW2). Can be taken orally or topically.

Topical min does not work in 1/3 of men because they lack the required enzymes in their scalp, all men have this enzyme in their liver so the oral route is a good fallback.
The FDA formulation for 5% liquid minoxidil is food safe (vape juice, ethanol and water) and can be safely taken orally if oral min tabs are expensive or rarely prescribed where you live. As a general rule, ~4 drops (0.1ml) = 5mg minoxidil.
There's a 1-2% risk of fluid retention with higher oral dosages, start with the lowest dosage possible and work your way up when you're sure it's well tolerated.

Ketoconazole is an anti-androgen and antifungal that inhibits DHT on the scalp and used to treat fungal infections of the scalp that may be making your hair loss worse such as seborrheic dermatitis, a condition where you exhibit severe greasy, flaky large dandruff flakes with dried yellow crystals (blood plasma) embedded in the scalp. Some people may only have traction alopecia (hair loss from scratching or friction), but it will not cure androgenic alopecia on it's own. Can only be taken topically.

Do not use spirolactone. Spirolactone is a diuretic which, in large doses, inhibits testosterone and, by extension, DHT.
It is regularly prescribed as an anti-androgen for male to female HRT, and thus, comes with an astronomically higher risk of sexual side effects in men including ED, gynecomastia, and can cause potassium toxicity.

Previous thread: >>18638290

What conditioners does everyone who uses Ketoconazole shampoo like to follow up with?

>>18650461
CeraVe Gentle hydrating conditioner.

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>>18650456
thoughts on beemaxxing? are we working this in alongside the big 4 now? did china run a trial on its safety and efficacy yet?
https://x.com/ephraimwindex/status/2020035205374017941

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Want to try the nizoral shampoo but here in the netherlands i can only find the pic related one, have any of you tried this one? Which one do you guys use

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>>18650546
that's even stronger than the one sold OTC in the US, they only sell it as 1% ketoconazole here
still works either way, one drop every few days lathered up in the scalp and my dandruff has stayed away for years

>>18650457
Weather report is great

>>18650501
is the cerave shampoo good for the days you dont use ketoconazole shampoo?

How far away is slow release min? Fin and topical min aren't giving me the results I want but I'd rather not nuke my heart with oral min. Still on the fence on dut considering sides are more likely to appear on it.

>>18650775
If you tolerate Fin then you will likely tolerate Dut. Most of the time you need to be on Fin for at least a year for your doctor to clear you for a Dut prescription though.

>>18650523
I thought he was going to eat that, and then he did.

ISNT THIS THE SHIT THAT KILLS YOU PEEPEE STOP SHILLING THIS

>>18650692
I tried this shampoo and it made my seborrheic dermatitis worse, the back of my scalp was literally stinging when I scratched it, just went back to T/Sal.

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Does this wagie hat make you go bald?
What's your experience with wagie hats in general like this one or construction site helmets?
I'm trying not to wear it too tight but my forehead still feels like ass after a long day. Any tips other than not being a wagie?

>>18650854
Blood flow restriction = bald is a very outdated theory, the only thing that will stop your male pattern hairloss is blocking DHT.

>>18650854
get a bigger hat

>>18650865
That doesn't have anything to do with the blood flow theory retard. You can lose hair from tight bandanas, hats etc. It's called traction alopecia. Of course if you have AGA your hairs are weaker and more susceptible as well.

>>18650546
I use Ketozolin and Terzolin Losung, both imported from Germany via my sister. Gotta say I will most likely drop the shampoo because it fucks up my hair and I’ve seen the biggest difference with the solution.

>>18650725
Yes, I really like them. The shampoo and conditioner are really hydrating and good for scalp health but they don’t have perfume.

>>18650800
literally raises your free T, stop falling for the grifters who sell you fake ass supplements and red light helmets and transplants

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>it's just hair bro, shave it and embrace being bald
How do you respond to these people usually?

>>18651395
i don't, they're the kind of people who treat you worse for having better hair than them while being male

>>18651395
It's best to NEVER divulge your hair treatment plan to anybody unless they are on the same path as you are. Unless you know for certain they are taking steps then don't even bother it always ends badly.

>>18651469
what's the worst that can happen?

>>18651471
Jealousy and resentment. If it's at a workplace they will probably spread rumors about you being trans or gay. I've tried before and now at least 25% of my friend group think I'm impotent and my balls are going to fall off because of it. You basically get to introduce the PFS crowd into your life.

>>18651474
I should add one person eventually became receptive after reaching a NW3 but it was 2 years of slandering me first.

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Went to the GP to switch to oral fin after a month of using topical prescribed by my dermatologist (it's so fucking expensive).
He doesn't know anything about AGA.
He googles it.
I had to tell him there's a 1mg dose for hair loss.
Then he tried to scare me with the side effects.
Then he says he's bald and it doesn't bother him (he's in his 60s).
Then he says I'm only 20 and it doesn't look that bad.
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>>18651713
go to a new doctor. that's retarded

>>18651727
I'm from a small town. I'll keep going there as I can only go from one old and bitter fart to another.

>>18650692
I think I'll use this one for maintenance once a week then once I'm done with the 2% one I'm using, does that sound like a good idea? I'm currently gonna be using the 2% twice a week and once the bottle is finished I'll use the 1% once a week forever

>>18650456
this is going to come off maybe strange but I shit you not I think being on Duta for 1.5 years now has actually masculinized me further
my t shot up from 780 ng/dL to over 1500 ng/dL on it consistently (multiple tests) and during that time I'm seeing a more prominent jawline, more masculine eyes, easier to put on muscle mass, etc. and I'm 34, I'm not some young buck going through puberty

>>18651736
Telehealth

>>18650456
Uncle Leo, Hellloooooo!

Costco Pharmacy isn't showing up on Dr B anymore.

>>18650461
Nizoral conditioner is cheap and works very well. It's meant for hair that is dried out by using their shampoo which I also use since I haven't ever been to a dermatologist for a script.

Is Minoxidil cream worth it? There is zero literature on it but I can get it with 16% minoxidil and in theory it should work better than either foam or solution due to staying long term on your skin, no?

>>18652357
The systemic absorption would be approaching/exceeding 3mg with such a concentration. Just take oral if your results have you seeking out a stronger version.

>>18652366
I already take 5mg/day and wanna uprate to 2x5mg/day in the future. 5mg doesn’t do shit shit I feel like, meanwhile tazarotene + 5% minoxidil foam gave me results only after 2 weeks of use despite not even using it daily.

>>18652378
It's biologically impossible in relation to the hair cycle to show results in 2 weeks. Are you sure it wasn't oral results coinciding with your new topical schedule?

>>18652383
Unlikely because only the hair around my hairline has become really dark and thick and there are now growing not many but a few small, darker vellus hairs. I recently switched Oral Min brands tho and the new ones contain 2 times the lactose the old Pfizer ones did (tablets are also really big)

>>18652398
It's probably related to increased blood flow (which carries min) to the scalp. You could try without the topical min and just the retinoid to see if the results continue.

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Started Minox+Dut+Keto, but is it even worth it anymore? Should I start looking for a HT? When I comb over it doesn't look this bad but still

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How much of a difference will Dutasteride make? I've been on Fin and (oral) Min (2.5mg) for about a year and I've had little to no regrowth, yet It doesn't appear to be getting worse.

Will Dutasteride really be enough for regrowth to start kicking in? I'm asking because I'm going to the dermatologist soon, and I want to know if I should ask for dutasteride or to increase my dose of minoxidil.

>>18652729
When did you start?
>>18652730
Technically if you are not losing anything then finasteride is doing its job, some regrowth is nice with finasteride but in general it isnt used to reverse all the loss, but just freezing the loss of hair. it might give you some regrowth but minoxidil is what thickens it and might recover your loss. Also maybe worth mentioning: I did sometimes hear that some people did not see a lot of progress from finasteride for about 9-12 months but started getting results after 15 months. But its up to you if you want to keep this routine for 6 more months before making adjustments.

>>18650546
I use this one, it's good stuff

>>18652946
Last week

fuck fin just get on dut unless you caught your hair loss very early then use fin

>/fa/ggots prefer losing hair at a slightly slower rate to having erections
Niggers, even just head massages work better and won't turn you a limp fag in the process

>>18653033
fuck off back to your snake oil stand gypsy

>>18653088
I'm not selling stuff, you're the one who advertises castration pills

Ran out of fin last week and now I like large breasts

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Should I be concerned if I get an itchy/burning feeling around my crown randomly through out the day?
I've been on 1mg fin daily for a couple of weeks now and whenever I get this feeling, I'll do a very light hair pull and usually pull a single hair out with a very tiny white bulb at the end of it.
Rarely I'll pull one with a thicc juicy bulb at the end of it

Anyone know any (trustworthy) online pharmacy in europe that sells finasteride without prescription?

>>18652965
Give it some time, it will take a while before its visible if it will work or not. You have to stay consistent for at least 6-9 months before you can actually see if it will work, sometimes earlier if you are lucky. Now is a good time to take photos so you can check out way later if there is a difference. Losing hair does not happen in one day and building it up will not happen in one day as well. If you are considering a HT down the road you at least want to know if things are a bit stable. In the past some people would jump the gun and get a transplant but because of later regression it would look weird.

>>18653273
Fine, I'll keep being consistent, I was just curious if I was at the point where this whole thing would be pointless. Hopefully not.

>>18653224
I need this but for accutane

is a 'maturing hairline' an actual thing or a cope? my hairline has receded to like a norwood 2.5, without any thinning besides the temples. is it possible it stays this way or is the progression usually linear until you go completely bald?

>>18653358
it depends for everyone. some people get a mature hair line and then keep it for a very long time or their whole life, others gain it and then it stays for a while then worsens later, others lose it fast. i guess just because most people's temples are more sensitive to androgens.

>>18651474
Your "friend group" is apparently a bunch of morons if that's how they think. Do better.

>>18651727
Yes, just go to someone who will tell you exactly what you want to hear. Beats the truth.

is "temple thinning" synonymous with hairline recession or is a different part of the scalp?
when i think of temples i think of like immediately to the sides of the forehead

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>>18653358
It's cope. ANY recession of the hairline in an M shape is due to AGA aka genetic balding. Your hairline is creeping up at the temples? You have AGA. Hairline recession before 30 should be a red alarm, as you are guaranteed to end up NW3 or worse over the course of your life. Nobody actually "holds" onto a mature hairline indefinitely, they have weaker AGA so they give the illusion of remaining a NW2 for decades, but they are still losing ground. (Or they recede to NW2 and then hop on Fin.) Eventually it will progress further, someone like Henry Cavill had a NW2 for over a decade but now is approaching NW3 and his crown is next.
What the talk of mature hairlines should tell you is that NW2 is the furthest you can recede and remain socially normal, so get on Fin or Dut if you're there or try and gain ground back to NW2 if you're past it.
>>18653385
Fronto-temporal recession is the first stage of balding. A non-receded hairline will have temple corners that form a right angle and the hairline from edge to edge appears straight across or gently rounded, dipping downwards at the corners. A receding hairline forms an M shape with or without a genetic widow's peak like Chris Hemsworth has.

>>18653033
>baldoid seething out of nowhere award

Is microneedling a scam? I will most likely do a hair transplant in the future but I did read that microneedling causes micro scarring making HT impossible or at least very hard to do with shit hairlines.

>>18653387
What about diffuse thinning recede where your hairline looks NW1 but the horseshoe sides are thinned?

>>18653489
im not sure but i dont think theres any cases of not being able to have a transplant due to microneedling. i think it was just some theory by haircafe that has 0 evidence

>>18653489
Microneedling is good for enhancing penetration if you use topicals. Anything else (raw microneedling) is questionable especially if you are bleeding each time.

>>18653165
Overthinking it don't make hair pulling a habit

>>18653358
Mature hairline is a psyop and doesn't exist. It's early stage balding. IN SOME MEN IT DOESN'T RECEDE ANY FURTHER BECAUSE THEY TAKE FINASTERIDE TO STOP IT. All the while telling you that it's just a mature hairline bro you shouldn't worry about it. And if you listen to them and do nothing you just go bald. Basically it's a strategy/psyop to reduce competition.

>>18650456
Received my minox last week but still too scared to take it. Is there not even the slightest chance it might kill me? I think I have a NW3 vertex pattern, is it even possible to regrow at this stage? I’m also on fin and considering switching to dut on my next refill. Being ugly, short and now balding sucks so fucking much.

>>18653572
Oral minox can absolutely kill you in the worst case scenario, if we're being honest. Especially if you have prior heart conditions

>>18653600
I had a balloon valvuloplasty to treat aortic valve stenosis when I was a kid but have never had any further heart issues.

>>18653572
better dead than bald anon, take it.

>>18653572
Topical? basically 0% chance unless you are literally pouring it on, even then unlikely. With oral the doses for hair loss are between 2.5 - 5mg which is too low to cause any kind of life threatening scenarios. You might get a rapid heart beat combined with a panic attack and end up in the hospital but anything more serious you would need upwards of a 20mg dose. Someone here took 50mg at once and didn't die, you will be fine with your dose.

>>18653610
Yeah no you definitely better not take it then unless you want your heart to explode

>>18653572
Topical is very safe. If it were even slightly dangerous, it would be prescription only because medical regulators don't take male-wellness seriously. Oral is safe enough for most people, but dangerous enough that I wouldn't personally do it or recommend it to anyone. If someone were to use it, I would highly recommend working with an IRL doctor to monitor yourself since it's not like finasteride where you can write one sentence to a shady telehealth company and be perfectly okay.

Since you mentioned in >>18653610 that you had heart issues in the past, I definitely wouldn't if I were you. If you do use it, please make sure to work with an IRL doctor who can monitor you for any signs of trouble.

>>18653358
Maturing hairlines are a thing, but so is balding. I developed an awful hairline as a teenager, but wasn't full on balding at that point.

Remember that you don't need to wait to start balding to start treatment, especially if you know balding runs in your family. Fin and min are safe enough to use prophylactically.

>>18653841
>I developed an awful hairline as a teenager, but wasn't full on balding at that point.

Yes you were it has to start somewhere.

>>18650456
I've been on fin for the past 9 months. Is there any reason not to switch to dut instead of getting another year's fin prescription? I was doing just fin to see if I responded really well to just that (nothing miraculous), so I'm about to add in topical min and see if it can help.

>>18653843
Is there a reason someone would get a really bad recession in their teens only for it to wait several years before progressing further?

>>18653845
It just means the hairs lost during that stage were the most susceptible to DHT, they were your first line of defense but also the weakest link, a warning of what was to come if you will. If you are predisposed to lose any amount of hair to DHT then by all accounts the rest will follow suit in time.

>>18653610
MD here. Not medical advice though. But seriously don't take minoxidil. In your case finasteride is way safer.

>>18653489
Use a derma stamp instead of a roller, it's much better

>>18653490
That's a different pattern of hairloss (notice it a lot in asian dudes) but it's still AGA, although it's weird to have your donor area thin. But your hairloss pattern keeping your hairline intact is in no way a bad thing, if you're early with fin+min as a diffuse thinner you can go back to your original density AND hairline, which a lot of dudes who started even early NW2 can't hope to get back.

>>18653769
no, theres case reports of people taking one small dose and developing a heart condition when they were healthy prior

>>18653489
i'm pretty sure they can transplant hair into scars anyway

I haven't been to a doctor since I was really young. Who do I need to go to to get prescribed fin? Regular doc or a dermatologist? Telehealth? If so is there a preferred company?

>>18654002
All of them can prescribe fin. Doctors and derms are generally stingier with dut (dermatologists are more likely to prescribe it) but most people say try fin for a year anyway since it's cheaper and might work just as well for you.

>>18654006
Thanks, anon. Do I need to get referred to a dermatologist? Sorry for the basic question, I don't really know how the healthcare system works.

>>18654008
Nah, just call and say you are noticing hairloss and are interested in a consult + prescription for propecia (finasteride).

>>18653980
Sure but you won't. That is so incredibly rare you may as well replace minoxidil with any other drug and claim the same incidence rate.

>>18654118
i was having side effects just from 1.25mg from one dose

>>18653572
I take 2,5mg 4x a day and I’m fine, but given your condition I would try low dosing first (depending on what size your tablets are) and see if you get any side effects + regularly get your body checked by a cardiologist.

>>18653919
I wanna get myself the Derminator 2 since a lot of people say it’s the best micro needling device you can buy but as mentioned I fear not being able to get a hair transplant afterwards. Fuck I hate hairloss

how well does trooning out work against balding? I wanted to start doing so in a couple of months and i wondered if i need anything besides E to stop or maybe even reverse a bit of balding.

>>18654233
Estrogen both protects your hair from AGA and fattens the hair shafts/lengthens anagen. Women have high E and minimal T. This is why most women only experience hairloss AFTER menopause and even then the pattern is usually diffuse thinning. Ironically enough FtM transgenders who take exogenous T without blocking DHT can expose themselves to their hidden genes for MPB and go bald exactly in the typical pattern for a male.

>>18654237
so i assume that there is noting needed on the DHT side of things but minoxidil and shampoo is still a good idea?
At least that is how i imagine things.

>>18653505
Yeah, you're right anon, thank you

>>18653844
If you are happy with what finasteride does then stick with it. If after 12-15 months (sometimes results start creeping in later) there still isn't any progress or it does not seem to help then you can always switch. Its not some magic potion, but it might work for you.

>>18654158
You shouldn't be able to use topical then as a single 50mg (1ml) topical dose results in 1mg being absorbed into your bloodstream, be careful if you do it twice. Maybe you just have anxiety and depression.

>>18654243
NTA but you should still use a DHT blocker if you haven't gotten bottom surgery which you shouldnt consider based on a 4chan post

>>18654233
Ngl I’ve seen some posts on tressless that make me want to consider trooning out against hairloss. A few months ago a tranny posted his results after MtF HRT and he regained all his hair, even the temples.

>>18654417
yeah every single norwood comeback I've ever seen was from someone who trooned out and made their farewell post with a thick head of hair, I don't even care if it's a psyop at this point, I'm fucking jealous

>>18654450
Yeah, trooning out doesn’t mean you have to be a pedophile or cut your dick off. I genuinely think it’s worth it as a last stand since it’s also reversible.

>>18654513
ok how do you reverse breast tissue growth and subcutaneous fat and skin texture recomposition?


also i really don't know where that projection came from

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Is it over for me?

>>18655283
It never began for you.

>>18650456
I can't believe the Pat Riley thread is gone!!

>>18655283
Could be worse. Growing it out + maintaining it there is passable

anyone else here just shave it bro? i use a leaf razor and it's not perfectly BBS every time but i'm very happy with it, i've gotten down to 15-20 minutes for the head and face. was wondering if anyone has tried the new razor 2 and if it's a worthy enough upgrade to justify the cost or if i should just stick to what i got

>>18655321
Nah, I switched to Dutasteride and my hair is finally regrowing. For my face I use an electric shaver

>>18655283
what if i look like that at 20?

Pharmacist said 5mg Finasteride tablet shouldn’t be quartered because Finasteride distribution might be uneven across the whole tablet, so you end up taking more than 1.25mg one day and nothing or very little the other.
Anybody quarter 5mg anyways?
It’s a lot cheaper

>>18655689
The effects are cumulative dose discrepancy doesn't matter at all. 5mg quartered is the gold standard for cost efficiency and anybody with access is doing it.

Europe needs to be like South Korea when it comes to hair loss. Dutasteride is way too hard to get prescribed.

>>18655739
Ok I got the 5mg but idk
>cumulative
Rly I though it’s out the system after like 24hrs
The saving is big though, 36€ for 1 year+ vs ~250€/year

Where do you get your oral minoxidil? HimsHers starts you on 1.25mg but I need 5mg.

>>18656515
i buy generic 5% minoxidil liquid and put 9 drops in a glass and wash it down with water, which works out something like 12mg probably.

None of the bottles come air-tight so you should probably not buy more than 3 bottles at a time because they'll expire before you can finish them,

>>18656106
At first but you build up levels of the drug in your cellular tissue

If I'm still getting shedding in the shower almost a year on fin, and almost 6 months on oral min, that's a good sign right?

>>18656583
are you getting regrowth?

>>18656586
I'm not sure, I think the diffuse thinning doesn't look quite so bad around my hair line, but I'm not sure if that's just how I'm styling it these days, or I'm deluding myself.

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>>18650456
is it too late for him?

>>18656580
Yeah but I been taking it for a long time already so.

Has anyone switched from Finasteride to Dutasteride here and seen hairline gains? I started at NW2 years ago and I'm still NW2 on Fin.

>>18656864
Yeah me, but nothing ground breaking. It’s mostly vellus hair turning terminal, iirc the hair on your hairline is more sensitive to Type I 5 alpha reductase.

Has anyone had success with regrowth on oral min by itself? Fin and dut are on Red Cross's banned meds list, so I'd prefer not to take them, but my hairline is starting to recede at age 38

>>18656991
isnt fin and dut on the list because it could cause problems for the baby during pregnancy?

>>18656997
Yeah, so they don't want your blood if you take either, because they might give it to a pregnant woman

>>18656998
anyway, maybe oral min can help by itself until better treatments come along. you'll still lose hair eventually with just min most likely based off a bunch of anecdotes i've read. 2% ketoconazole shampoo helps a little too

>>18656997
It’s not like you can breed being bald anyways.

>>18656991
It would be temporary since the underlying cause of your hair loss is not being addressed and will gradually lessen the effects of min until you visually resume balding. You realistically might be able to see 2-5 years max before it's no longer enough at which point dropping the min will reveal even further loss so you'll be stuck on it despite it no longer working optimally. Maybe if you were to take some off label massive dose it might be enough to last you though you are risking serious health complications and at that point just take fin, hair is more important than whatever is restricting you anyway.

>>18653165
What the fuck are you doing here with a crown and hairline like that dude go enjoy your life

You guys know your stuff so I’ll ask yall. I’m NW2-2.5 hairline, but I have 2 whorls on my head and I’m thinning from both of them. I tried finasteride in 2024 for a month and got side effects so I stopped. It definitely wasn’t nocebo because I didn’t know what the side effects were. I tried oral min which was ok at 1.25mg but when I got moved up to 2.5 mg i got chest pains so I stopped. I tried topical min and got worse chest pains so I had to stop that too.

I tried finasteride again recently and it really fucked up my body. I was on 0.25mg 3 times a week and got worse side effects than before. I tried to push through but it kept getting worse, so after 3 weeks I stopped. It’s now been 3 weeks since I stopped and the side effects haven’t gone away yet and they haven’t lasted this long before. I’m certain they’ll go away because I don’t believe PFS is real. However I do have some low dose topical finasteride that I’m planning on using once I stabilize. Do you guys think I should try this, or should I try dutasteride? I know that Dut is stronger, but I’ve talked to several doctors who told me that they’ve seen people tolerate Dut when they couldn’t tolerate fin.

>>18657243
Could you describe some of the side effects you were having on oral fin?

>>18657250
ED and loss of libido, plus bad sleep disturbances and testicle pain that while not horrible, hasn’t gone away. What made me stop was how depressed I got, and I developed gyno super fast. Within the second week I noticed my chest getting bigger but there was no itchiness or sensitivity, and I thought maybe it came from me working out, but the second I my nipples got sensitive I stopped. They can still be sensitive now. It’s not severe at all since I caught it early but I’m hoping these side effects subside soon because the bad sleep is still really getting to me. I’ve rebounded before, I’m hoping I can rebound again.

>>18657257
>>18657243
>>18657257
There's a story Dr. Rassman (inventor of FUE transplants) told of a guy who got prescribed Finasteride and on the ride home he calls the doctor and says he's impotent. There are powerful psychological factors that can make 5AR inhibition a stumbling block. FWIW, Topical Fin still goes systemic so you can't avoid that. Topical Dut theoretically doesn't due to its molecule weight.
>gyno
You might have a fucked up balance between T and E already and the extra T Fin gives you is being converted into Estradiol.

>>18657259
Psychological factors are probably at play. I’ve been going through a lot lately outside of hair loss and maybe that’s why I’m still feeling these effects. Should I just mentally prepare myself to go bald? Do I still have options?

>>18657243
If you are certain that the side effects can't be caused by some psychological factors, then you are probably out of luck with fin. Side effects do happen for some men, you just might be in that very small percentage that really can't tolerate fin well.
You can try topical, but if you already tried oral at 0.25mg 3 times a week, that is already a very low dose and since topical fin goes systemic anyway, it might not make a difference.
Like you mentioned, once fin is fully out of your system this symptoms should go away, but if you do decide to try dutasteride, keep in mind that if you end up developing side effects with dut as well, it will likely take longer for them to go away, since dut stays longer in your body.
I would give dut a try, for some reason some men tolerate it better than fin. Better to know for sure, than to wonder what could have been.

>>18657283
I think I am just in that unlucky percentage. I’d like to try dutasteride once I feel better but I’m really feeling like shit still. I’m really hoping the rebound comes soon because I’m really tired of my balls hurting all the time. Quick question though, the topical one I got is 0.005%, there’s no way that suppresses serum DHT as much as the higher topical doses right? I also read that 0.25 mg of fin reduces almost the same amount of DHT as 1mg so maybe trying that small dose was pointless

>>18657243
Get your hormone levels checked. You need to fix what is more than likely a severe imbalance, fin just happened to give you a glimpse into your future as your estrogen increases and test drops even more with age. If it's a relatively benign cause you may even be able to safely take fin after getting things under control.

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On Fin/Dut since a young age or just good genes? He's 30 and has a teenage hairline.

>>18657426
Good genes aka half Jewish. Same thing happened with Michael Douglas for example.

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>>18650456
>>18650456
Is it normal to already be seeing increase in growth/density after only 3 weeks on fin/oral minox? For reference, I'm a black male with 3c/4a hair. Already seeing a noticeable increase in density and growth everywhere when I have a hair loss pattern similar to LeBron. I don't have a before/after pic but attached is a reference to how it was looking before. The only other thing I've been doing is brushing my hair for 30 min-1 hour daily to maintain my waves along with the oil/conditioner I've been using for them (jojoba oil, curl enhancing smoothie etc).
Also, no side effects yet.

>>18657426
His entire existence hinges on his looks so yes he's on fin at the very least.

>>18657472
Depends could be a hyper responder and the hair was miniaturized past the point of noticing it shed. Remember the thin hair must fall out so that a thicker one may replace it.

>>18657485
I did notice shedding for about 2 weeks. My fingernails are also growing noticeably faster. If I am a hyper responder is there anything I need to worry about?

>>18657489
Definitely a hyper responder then. Nothing to worry about its actually the best case scenario. Just expect further sheds for the first year or so and not to freak out thinking you've lost ground.

>>18657472
oral minox? possible. fin needs at least 3 months to work due to how it synchronizes the hair cycle as the hairs that were being choked by DHT get a release from it
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLU1CrF6x3RztggfNIB6_sgDTWP090OIh2

>>18655283
hit the sides with a 1 guard and shave the stupid mustache and you'll be ewan mcgregor from trainspottingmaxxing in no time

>>18650456
I've been using minoxidil on my slowly diffuse thinning hair for 4 fucking months now and there has been zero increase in density. what gives?

>>18655283
we're alright

>>18657534
to be desu it's not really worth using min if you aren't going to also be using fin.
fin stops the actual loss (the thinning), min helps regrow hair.
i say this as someone that used min for like 3 or 4 years before hopping on fin. and i regret that because now i'm not sure if i am a min responder at all (many guys simply just aren't, i've seen estimates that it might even be a majority) or it just wasn't having a noticeable effect because the rate of loss was greater than whatever min was growing back. but i don't wanna stop and risk going bald again to see.

>>18657294
Yes, smaller doses should suppress less DHT. Trying 0.25mg instead of 1mg makes perfect sense and is often recommended by doctors for people who do get side effects, so it wasn't pointless to try it out.
Also like some other anons mentioned, you might want to check your hormone levels by going to an endocrinologist.

>>18657543
I thought the same. I added oral minoxidil and saw insane regrowth, like it was a completely different drug. Dropped the topical after tapering for 3 months, saw no shed or loss. This way for certain you can know oral minoxidil is actually working, and I certainly don't miss the application process.

>>18657761
What dose and brand?

>>18657761
Topical minoxidil only works if you have the inflammatory issue with your scalp taken care of. I was wasting product for almost ten years until I was put on antibiotics. However, I also use the oral tablets now.

Protip: foam is just a glorified mousse. I mean, it’s a great mousse, but doesn’t really work unless you had derma stamps from a clinic. The liquid works, however, and like I said, only after inflammatory issues are treated. Works even better alongside pills.

>>18657788
5% liquid taken orally 2.5mg in the morning 1.25mg at night

>>18657801
I really don't think it works well regardless. I would bet a vast majority only see results from the systemic absorption equating to low dose ~2mg oral when done twice daily, this would also explain why I never shed after introducing oral. The hyper responders to topical are just regular, but actually responding purely to the topical moa and not relying on the secondary absorption into bloodstream.

>>18657809
How long have you been taking it? I began to shed toward the end of the second month.

>>18657881
Topical for 5 years until 6 months ago when I tapered off into oral. Significantly above baseline, also on fin ~2.5 years.

>>18650800
For 2% of users, yes, it can cause lower libido and erectile dysfunction that goes away a week after you stop taking the drug. Just take the fucking pill pussy if you get any sides and they really bother you then stop.

>>18650854
My father wore a cap for an entire summer while working as a pastry chef and got a scalp fungal infection so bad parts of his scalp fell off in chunks. He still has a full head of hair at 54. It's literally all genetics, everything else is cope.

>>18652730
Fin only causes regrowth if you catch your alopecia early enough that your miniaturizing hairs haven't lost connect to the erector muscle, sorry bro.

>>18658138
That takes 10+ years to happen even after the spot goes slick. If you're below NW4 that hasn't happened yet. What you need is something that will stimulate the follicles to stay in anagen (Min) so they grow thicker and fuller + each follicular unit produces more follicles, and to nuke scalp DHT 100%; only HRT can do 100%. Closest if you still want to be a male is 2.5mg of Dut which lowers scalp DHT by 80%.

>>18658135
Finasteride doesn’t do any of that. That’s a scare tactic by people who already had hormonal imbalances. Dutasteride on the other hand may actually cause it.

>>18658148
People are generally incredibly ignorant to just how easy it can be to mess up your hormonal balance and attribute it to fin. If I eat a carb heavy diet for a week or two I definitely start to experience some ED and general overlap with the PFS (excess estrogen) symptoms. Combine that with OCD, anxiety, depression etc.. and it's a recipe for disaster.

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the entire world is making fun of us baldbros right now. why are we treated like this?

>>18658220
Because you’re ugly.

can dutasteride somehow reduce the size of your penis? im taking 0,5mg three days at week for almost a month and i dont know, it looks smaller and thinner

>>18658224
No that's not biologically possible. It can appear smaller due to lack of blood flow aka erectile dysfunction. Blasting HRT can't even reduce the size on it's own, that comes from lack of erections over a long time aka atrophy.

>>18658220
Balding is common enough and also an issue mostly young men go through that it becomes a cosmetic disfigurement which is okay to mock. Especially if you ever get caught frauding.

>>18658232
But does dutasteride directly influence blood flow or does it primarily affect libido? Also, do medications like tadalafil resolve the side effects of dutasteride?

>>18658241
It can affect libido albeit rarely. Go to a doctor in a month or two if it hasn't resolved itself. Yes but it would be better to find out first if dutasteride is the cause before you attempt to treat it yourself.

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If Dutasteride is so much more effective, why is it always Finasteride that's advised to be taken first?

Wouldn't it be bad to get on fin, find its not working and then have to switch to dut? Because your bodies hormones are having to adjust twice.

>>18658263
My guess is because it's not FDA approved and has a very long half-life, so side effects will persist for longer than if you quit taking Fin

>>18658263
Dutasteride is like a hero dose of finasteride with a greater chance at side effects.

>>18657434
jews do not have good balding genetics

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Hang in there bros. Clascoterone will buy us time, GT20029 will cure AGA.

>>18658295
im half jew half white and no one on my jew side has any hairloss at all and i started balding when i was a teenager cuz of my white side

im a 100% jew and all my immediate family had balding problems, grandfathers and grandmothers, mom and dad. not my fault. i wanna rape the matrix cunt

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justin bieber went from this

Caucasoids (the whiter the worse it is) are the most prone to balding followed by blacks, then asian, then finally mexican. The only race I've seen that seem to have anti-balding genes are the native americans, their genetics somehow even block the balding genes in their white admixture.

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to this. what did he do to his crown? i'm sure that dark spot is not a shadow.

>>18658568
He had a transplant sometime in the last 1-2 years. I never knew about the crown but he's 100% had work done to the hairline.

Black people bald more, you just can't tell because so many of them shave their heads anyway

>>18658583
It's about equal in adulthood whites just edge them out when you see teenage balding

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sup chooms, anyone had significant improvements from upping the dosage of dutasteride? taking 0.5mg and I have a lot of intermediate hairs that won't grow long but look alive. I'm on oral minoxidil as well (5mg) and recently started using topical minoxidil once per day with a weekly microneedling session of 0.6mm. I would add RU58841 if I could find it in my country but I can't. dut isn't too expensive right now but upping the dosage 5 fold would certainly make it expensive.

>>18657801
How do you know if you have inflammatory issues?

>>18658640
Can you just buy Avodart in Italian pharmacies? How did you get 2?

>>18658680
That's Portuguese, I reside in Brazil. You can buy it without a prescription here but I have one. Having a prescription makes it much cheaper, close to 1000 bananas a year.

People who fall for hair greed and want to jump on higher and higher dosages of dut even when 0.5mg suppesses like 95% serum DHT are like one year away from jumping on feminizing HRT.

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>>18658733
it's 2026 and the only dramatic timely results come from ppl who drop fin and jump straight to HRT, it's like a cruel joke.

>>18658741
>lose hair
>get gender dysphoria
>take estrogen
>get gender dysphoria

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>>18658565
This is the guy who said nobody should go bald because Propecia exists back when he was a teenager. I also thought I would just "take fin once I noticed a problem" but I waited until I was NW2 instead of starting it at 18 and keeping my NW1 forever. It's tragic...

>>18658767
he probably fell for the "it makes ur dick fall off" psyop

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>>18658733
Yeah, I think Haircafe showed a study where the amount of DHT in the follicle on Dutasteride was undetectable. What we really need is a growth stimulant as good as estrogen without, er, the side effects.

>>18658775
what about estrogen with SERMs to prevent breast tissue growth?

>>18658780
You wouldn't want to take SERMs indefinitely. If the hair growth could be maintained after ceasing hrt then maybe if you're that desperate.. I think you would lose your gains regardless if dut + min wasn't cutting it.

I heard that whacking off while on HRT feels amazing

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sharp, right angle temple points are the most aesthetic part of a male hairline
but also the first to go, and the hardest to get back
life is so cruel bros

>>18658689
You’re right, sorry. Had a low IQ moment not seeing the ção. How much do you pay, less than 1000 Brazilian real?

>>18658956
The whacking off is important, your dick loses function if you don't use it on estrogen, the morning erections go away because no testosterone and it's like a muscle, use it or lose it

>>18657351
I definitely should get my hormone levels checked. The problem is I’m moving cities soon and idk when the best time to do that is, very overwhelmed

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>>18659175
For what I'm paying now, roughly 1000 bananas (BRL) per year for 360 capsules.

>>18658775
>>18658733
>0.5mg suppesses like 95% serum DHT
He's made one or two videos talking about higher dosages of dutasteride and in one of them he notes that despite the serum DHT levels not being much different when comparing 0.5mg to 2.5mg (92% vs 96% respectively), the scalp DHT is significantly reduced, from 51% to 79%, and that's what actually matters for AGA.

Can't help but feel hair greed if the only downside is monetary and it isn't even severe, the side effect profile is the same as the standard dose.

https://youtu.be/rCXByxgBrn4

>>18659048
Prime Colin Farrell was hot af.

>>18659537
>the scalp DHT is significantly reduced, from 51% to 79%, and that's what actually matters for AGA.
But even at 0.5mg of Dutasteride, the scalp DHT in the hair follicles themselves is so low that it cannot be measured.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM68p8ofPps

how real is the 'shedding phase' of minoxidil? i suspect a lot of people call it shedding as a cope when it just doesn't work and they continue to bald.
i'm asking, because my hairline has receded, but it's not too terrible and i just want to ensure it stays the same. topical min without prescription is the most accessible, but i wouldn't want it to make things worse.
also, how expensive would topical min end up being if i only apply it to like 1 cm along the hairline? can the supposed shedding affect areas where i do not apply the min?
all in all, which of these meds is best to take 'just in case'?

>>18659537
Interestingly that’s as much as Avodart costs here in Germany (90 pills á 43€). Wish I could get more than one prescription at a time like you.

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>>18659668
>á
I dont think you are German anon.

>>18659645
Basically guaranteed to happen if you respond well to it. You want finasteride as a preventative/mild regrowth though

>>18659673
You’re right, I’m a cute spañish transwoman living in Germany

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Almost 3 months into finasteride, the sheds have been BRUTAL, I've never had so much hair fall out before and it looks so thin from the top. Well, all that's left for me to do now is trust the plan and watch it all regrow thicker and healthier. If it doesn't I'll jump off a bridge.

>>18653358
Depends on age. Got my Norwood around 28 currently 33 and it hasn't moved BUT the hairs at the front have thinned.

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>>18659996
Dude, male pattern baldness is progressive after its onset. This can translate to only milimeters of your hairline creeping up each year. But while that is imperceptible year by year, give it a decade or two and it adds up. A lot of celebrities had minor AGA genes, and then they either get on 5AR inhibitors or get a hair transplant.

>>18659999
I'm aware. By the its real bad I'll likely be 40 any how.

I just dont want to mess with taking meds that will implode your hair line if you stop taking them. I dont like those forever type deals you know? If I could take it for a week or something sure but I jist know something will go sideways taking meds like that every single day for tue rest of your life.

>>18660004
>If I could take it for a week or something sure but I jist know something will go sideways taking meds like that every single day for tue rest of your life.
Trust me, it sucks to know that you need meds to save your hair. But I take a glass half full attitude - there are health benefits to 5AR inhibiting drugs. Haircafe has a whole playlist where he goes over the deleterious effects of DHT on the body after puberty. Because DHT is more potent at the androgen receptor, it is even linked to increasing the onset of androgen sensitive brain diseases like Alzheimer's/Parkinson's. Dutasteride can help if you have oily, acne prone skin since it blocks the type 1 5AR enzyme with considerable more potency than Finasteride. At the very least, you have the benefit of knowing by taking these drugs you will avoid BPH and won't have trouble urinating once you're into advanced old age. You never hear about Post-Proscar/Post-Dutasteride syndrome even though those drugs are more potent than Finasteride, since Finasteride is the most common drug prescribed specifically for male pattern hairloss. And losing your hair is GUARANTEED to cause you depression.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Om1koF9kptk

>>18660004
Your hairline wont "Implode". You will just resume balding and lose what you were able to recover. It's completely up to you how long you want to preserve your hair for, just quit when you no longer care.

>>18660004
>I just dont want to mess with taking meds that will implode your hair line if you stop taking them
You'll just start balding again as you would have, the only way DHT blockers can "implode" your hairline immediately if you stop taking them is if you stop during a shed phase.

>>18659645
The sheds are absolutely real, but what you should be looking for is a fresh layer of hair on your scalp below the layer you are using. Run your hand through your hair and look for, like, scalp stubble.

https://minoxidilmax.com/product/topical-spironolactone
Does this work? I can also get oral spironolactone but I’ve heard it causes huge amount of side effects

>>18660386
Topical is safe though its a weak DHT inhibitor. You would ideally stack it with dutasteride to come closer to the mythical 100% scalp DHT inhibition. It's not a replacement for any of the big 3, it's supplementary and kind of a shitty one when you considered the price.

>>18660416
The big 3 are Dut, min and Ketoconazol? What are better alternatives to topical spiro, Ru58841?

>>18660422
Yeah RU would be ideal. If you're already maxxed out on dut and oral min then adding additional treatments will certainly not make the difference and you should be looking into a transplant or simply make peace with what you have.

>>18660484
After reading some horror stories on Reddit I’ve been cautious about Ru even it could probably turn my vellus hair terminal. I also don’t know if I should buy it pre mixed or make my own solution.

>>18660594
One of the reasons RU never went to market is that it quickly degrades after mixing so you need to make new batches constantly.

My doc prescribed me three months of 1.25mg if oral min. I'm nearly the end of the three months and then I'm go upgrade to another three months of 2.5mg.
Under bright light, I've started to notice very new hairs growing all along where my scalp has receded which has me optimistic. Maybe it's too early to tell, but should I cut my incoming batch of 2.5mg min to make them last longer if 1.25mg seems to be working? I'm also worried about a shed from increasing the dosage. Or should I just increase dosage and hope it accelerates the regrowth?

>>18660663
1.25mg is an introductory dose equivalent to once daily application of topical. 2.5mg is equivalent to using topical twice as it is directed to be used. You can get oral minoxidil incredibly cheap if you take the topical liquid orally if price is your concern.

Has anyone actually had good results from low dose oral min? Like 1.75 mg or lower? I have a previous heart condition so don’t want to take the full 5 mg or even 2.5 mg but understand that extremely low doses have a much more tolerable side fx profile, some people are even microdosing at 0.25–0.5 mg. Thoughts?

>>18660689
1.25 mg I mean

>>18660689
Just try tropical first. About 2% of the minoxidil applied to the scalp goes systemic. Which is about equivalent to 1mg oral per application. 2 percent of 50mg = 1mg (50mg minoxidil is contained in 1ml of the standard 5% topical solution). That's equivalent to 2mg a day if you're using it as directed. If you're already tolerating topical at such doses oral would be tolerated just as well within those doses. If you want to be even more cautious just cut 1.25mg in half and take it a couple hours apart and so on with higher doses.

>>18660719
I live with cats so topical is out

>>18660689
Anon from above, I'm on 1.25mg now, about to try increasing the dosage to 2.5mg
Just about three months as of next week so it's too early to truly say, but so far I've already seen hairs regrowing where my hairline has receded, so if they were to fully grow out, I'll be back to normal (am probably a n2-3)
1.25mg grows hair about 17% faster than normal, and 2.5mg by around 36% so I'm hoping to have an inch of growth back by spring

>>18660748
Well the absolute worst case scenario disregarding 1 in a million side effects would be an increased resting heart rate from such a low dose. If you can workout without risking a heart attack because of your previous heart issues you can likely handle 1.25mg. Avoid all minoxidil if you or your doctor have concerns related to physical activity and your heart. Your question is best taken up with your doctor though if you must try do so safely and have someone be aware of it. 1.25mg has a half life of only a few hours and your heart rate would return to normal rather quickly. Water and salt can be used in an emergency to reduce the effects if you start freaking out. Definitely ask your doctor though!

>>18658528
so why do yarmulkes exist

>>18655283
No.

how do i prevent norwood

>>18661057
Finasteride or dutasteride. There are no substitutes no matter what you may come across.

>>18661085
Hey wait a minute, if he's Chinese he can get Epristeride.

>>18661226
isn't that just a worse finasteride?

>>18655283
Grow it out and cut the sides. You can't be rocking longer sides when norwooding my nigga.

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>>18655290
>>18655299
>>18657522
>>18661289
that's not him that's an album cover

>>18660877
>yarmulke
>seething about Jews out of nowhere (and Jewish hair for that matter despite being the most balding "people" in Europe
Germutt detected.

My gray hairs on oral min are literally being re pigmented before my eyes. The ones on the side of my head are gone and the few on the scalp are now colored again the closer to the root I look.

do ppl who care a lot about their hair only lose hair? is hair loss just psychological?
i buzz my hair and let i grow out and do the same thing since i'm 16, hair still full after 10 years.
i never cared about it and dont have hair loss

>>18661794
no, it's genetic or stress-related. i never cared about hair loss until i noticed my hairline very slightly receeding at age 27. 7 years later, it slowly keeps receeding and i have at some point stressed over it but ultimately decided not to get hormonal pills just to keep hair because in my case it would mean being a total fruitloop - i'm tall, married with multiple children and my wife doesn't give a shit about my hair.
obviously if someone's way younger and is looking to impress/get a girlfriend then yeah, maybe it's worth some of the risk of potentially getting gyno and dick problems

>>18650456
how fast can balding be? I have a lot of hair thinning today when 1-2 months ago my hair was spotless

>>18661799
i think it depends on the person. i've lost probably 1-1.5cm of my hairline over 7 years

>>18661801
my hairline is fine...

>>18661810
well it's comin pal

>>18661801
I lost this much over 2 years. It didn't seem noticeable

>>18661878
for me it became very subtly noticeable after going over a certain threshold, so i assume it's similar for others and is based on your face geometry/haircut etc

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At what point in your hair loss journey were you given the superhuman ability to tell someone's norwood from a brief glance? For me it happened after 3 months on Fin.

Should I start dermastamping? Studies suggest it should improve the effectiveness of the oral min.

How long until you can do sports again after a hair transplant? Is it more than a month? I'm a professional athlete, it seems super fucking retarded and gay if you cant do stuff for more than like a week. Also I have long hair, will I look retarded for like 4 months if I dont shave it? I dont want to shave my hair it doesnt suit me
Currently using fin only, also stemox but it's effect pretty minor I think and a bunch of small adjuncts. Considering starting ru and also have a dermaroller which I havent used yet, I already got improvements in density with fin and stemoc and the other adjuncts (rlt, scalp massage etc) but ny hairline is the same

Fuck these captchas

>>18662035
>Studies suggest it should improve the effectiveness of the oral min.
Really?

why hairdresser is gaslighting me and telling me i'm not balding. he says my hairline receding 1cm since I was a kid and my partings becoming wider is just "your hair maturing" and it's normal.
he's trolling right?

>>18662328
my hairdresser is the only person telling me to hop on min+fin as soon as possible but he's extremely homosexual and got a hair transplant + on the meds himself, which kind of paints a clear picture for me on whether i actually need it or not
also there's no such thing as a mature hairline, it's all receding. it can recede and slow down but then accelerate due to stress or mineral deficiencies but it is just male pattern hairloss

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>>18662328
Do you think the norwood reaper is going to magically leave you alone without you doing anything about your hair?

apparently japan has figured out hair cloning

>>18662766
In mice?

>>18662778
human trials

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10 months on meds update
first pic was 2mo into therapy so this is 8mo of progress
yeah I know it's the other side and different angle etc. but you get it

>>18662852
Ain’t nobody believing this, bro

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>>18662861
are you suggesting I edited the photos? I got 600+ other progress photos I can post, this one is 6 months in
not my bad you can't be happy for other people

>>18662876
>trust me bro these are mine

>>18662876
Congrats practically a nw0

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>>18662896
see pic
>>18662903
thanks, not yet but I hope to have a straight hairline by the end of the year

>>18662908
Whats your treatment plan?

>>18657243
Your side effects are fucking fake and you need to hop back on finasteride. Take the fucking pill and figure out whatever the fuck is causing your """side effects""". Finasteride blocks the 5AR type 1 enzyme, which only transforms T outside of the brain (which means no neuro toxicity and no direct psychological effects) . Take the medication or be bald for the rest of your life. Stop being a fucking pussy.

>>18662916
4 months fin 0.25mg + 2x min 0.5% + retinoids
6 months dut 0.5mg + 2x min 0.5% + tret 0.1%
fin + first month of dut were jeet pills, then I switched to generic dut out the pharmacy and now the last two months I've been getting Avodart as it's the same price as generic when subsidized
no sides other than no morning wood, also oral min gave me sick sides (water retention) at any dose 0.5-5mg so umfortunately I have to stick to topical

>>18662852
>>18662876
impressive. any sides?
>>18662918
where did he mention psychological effects?

>>18662924
also dermastamping fairly regularly (every 7-10 days 0.6-0.8mm) the past half year

>>18662924
no morning wood is technically a big deal. are you having sex?

>>18662928
yeah, I had sex while on meds, no problems with libido, ball aches, watery cum etc. at all, even had increased libido when first starting fin and switching from fin to dut
I have pretty bad death grip syndrome so I probably wouldn't even have noticed reduced sensitivity or delayed ejaculation

>>18662933
also I did my hormones on dut
>Total T 508.2
>DHT 58.3
>E2 38.7
>FSH 4.2
>TSH 2.873
>LH 3.7

>>18650456
Middle aged balding man here to tell you that 100% of hair products outside of getting plug surgery are snake oil. Nothing works. NONE OF IT. Don't waste your money, and tell everyone who tells you to try bullshit like Propecia to fuck off and never speak to you again.

>>18662918
Idk why this is so upsetting to people. Some people just can’t tolerate some medications, it’s not some wild impossibility.

Seek help anon…

>>18662939
yeah we get it you're mad meds made your dick fall off

>>18662946
nta but i agree - hormone pills to delay the inevitable even if you don't get sides is somewhat trooncoded. at least a transplant is more or less permanent.

>>18662952
trannies also breathe air and wear clothes
you shouldn't do those either, that's trooncoded

>>18662925
Psychological effects are the only possible source for his BS side effects, and finasteride is not the source. The slight increase in free T caused by finasteride can not be attributed to his reported physiological side effects. I'm 100% sure it's psychosomatic.

>>18662940
I'm trying to help the dude. He can tolerate it.

>>18662970
Yeah you’re being weird. Gyno is not psychosomatic. Please seek help…

>>18662973
Not caused by minimal increase in free T due to finasteride. Literally impossible. Either caused by something else or imagined.

>Please seek help...
very reddit response lmaoo. Upvote!

If slightly elevated hormonal levels are giving you debilitating side effects then you were unwell prior to fin full stop.

>>18662952
You only have like 8000 grafts available to you if you’re lucky. A normal Caucasian male has 110,000 hairs on his head. You can’t rebuild anything unless you’re Norwood 2A max

>>18662975
See >>18662976

is finasteride for weight loss associated hair loss needed. gemini says it's reversible

>>18663037
No, male pattern hairloss is symmetrical recession starting at the temples. If you're worried about losing your hair, there's nothing better than starting Fin early, though.

>>18663039
I wouldn't really call it symmetrical, my right side receded much faster.

>>18656997
>because it could cause problems for the baby during pregnancy?
Only happened in mouse when they gave the mice 50× the human dose, it's not even considered a risk in the UK

>>18657243
>I know that Dut is stronger, but I’ve talked to several doctors who told me that they’ve seen people tolerate Dut when they couldn’t tolerate fin.
Fin bypasses the blood-brain barrier while Dut doesn't

>>18659668
Can you get online prescriptions? You could buy from multiple pharmacies at the same time

>>18663063
it doesn't bypass it, it passes through it

>>18662952
you have to be on meds to maintain the transplant
the transplanted hair will stay but the rest of your hair is going to keep falling out if you don't use the meds to stop it

>>18663047
i was watching a video from that hair surgeon that has alopecia totalis (forgot his name) and he said that something like 80%+ of his patients have worse recession on their right sides than left.
for me personally, my hairline is worse on the right side, and i have relatively little loss on the left side of my crown but the right side of my crown is by far my worst hair loss area. it's not centralized/symmetrical. i wonder why this is.

>>18663066
I do but unfortunately in Germany the prescription is void after using it once either through ordering in an online apothecary or getting them in person.

>use topical Minox at suggestion of dermatologist
>have to stop because get dog and Minox is poisonous to animals
>call dermatologist three times to request a script
>still no returned call despite talking to receptionist each time

Do I just use Ro at this point? This shit is ridiculous.

>>18663227
never heard of anyone poisoning their pet with minox, I used to cuddle with my dog all the time when I lived back home and nothing ever happened to him

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Around 2 months fin. Does this look like shedding?
I know the angle is different.

>>18663227
It's not poisoning just by existing or even being near them. Is your dog licking your scalp? If not it's not a problem.

>>18663377
Top is after?

>>18663396
the before

>>18650456
Is it bad I couldn't get my fin prescription refilled for 2 months? I have been on it for many years and didn't notice any change.

>>18663399
Seems like your hairline looks better than before tho

>>18663377
ignore >>18663404 what's going to happen is all your long hair is going to fall out in a fast-forwarded version of your balding pattern ie if you were going to have a horseshoe pattern you'll get that. HOWEVER, what should happen is a new, short layer will be growing underneath it, and this layer will slowly restore your hairline and density. You need to endure it, just feel your scalp to see if you can feel the new layer coming in.

>>18663416
How long should it take between the shed and the new layer growing?

>>18663429
why does that matter? you have to keep taking it for as long as you want to keep your hair, meaning the answer to your question is irrelevant

>>18663438
this is a random nigger, not the photo poster

>>18663429
1-6 months is where the shed happens and your hairs become synchronized in their growth phase, miniaturized hairs will grow longer in each cycle and eventually can go back to their old density/length

>>18663224
That socks in the UK you can just go to another website and they'll give you another prescription, can't you try ordering it from another country doubt it gets checked within EU

>>18663227
>>18663270
I think its mostly cats being very sensitive to mine, dogs can tolerate it a little better

>>18658220
His name is literally "androgenic", the entire video was staged for views.

>>18663605
We can also ask another telehealth company but you gotta pay and I ain’t got no money for that. My insurance pays for my current telehealth doctor but I don’t wanna ask twice. Yeah you can order from other EU countries but it’s Indian stuff that’s never in stock unfortunately, otherwise I would bulk buy. The UK is way more loose regarding prescriptions and meds, almost like the US from what I know. Doesn’t help that Germany is a control state.

>>18663637
Is there not someway to communicate that your hair loss is a chronic condition that needs treatment indefinitely? How do they handle insulin for diabetics over there?

>>18663385
Yes, she is unironically retarded.

>>18663647
Possibly, but my dermatologist ist stingy about hair loss and told me "just to accept it" but she also told me she would hand out a prescription if I can prove I’ve taken certain meds before so I’m gonna try that soon. Other than that the best chance is go visit an urologist. It’s such a fucking shame you guys aren’t in the EU anymore, iirc Hair repair clinic sells you 365 Avodart pills for £250.

>>18663648
Drink liquid topical topical. You don't need any expensive prescriptions. Information is in the OP.

>>18663768
What’s the absorption rate vs pills? Also wouldn’t the propylene glycol and alcohol be intoxicating?

>>18663783
Negligible if anything, plenty of testimonies can be found. No these are food safe ingredients and we are talking about singular drops of it being consumed.

>>18663800
So liposomal encapsulated minoxidil should work even better for oral consumption?

>>18663804
It wouldn't make a difference as taking minoxidil orally is not dependent on sulfotransferase on the scalp.

Any European here who gets Dutasteride and oral Minoxidil without prescription?

I'm about 8 months on Finasteride and my hair has gotten noticeably uneven, like a bunch of short hairs when I tie my hair back. Do I just shave it all off to get an even regrow?

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>completely ignored diffuse thinning for years because it wasn't noticeable at all, and I was tight on cash anyway
>one day I woke up and could faintly see my scalp through my hair with a fully dry head
I might have fucked up

>>18664403
On the flip side, diffuse thinning without hairline recession responds the best to treatment, since you need density not a dramatic hairline lowering. Unless you’re unlucky enough to have DUPA or retrograde alopecias…

>>18664403
Consider yourself lucky it's DHT induced and not thyroid related like mine. I've lost so much body hair that the friction of my thighs rubbing together has caused some mild soreness, sucks ass.

How comes no company works on Dutasteride similar to sublingual and slow release minoxidil? Like offering 5mg gel capsules or smth

>>18664457
It’s off patent so in theory that’s possible. But at 0.5 daily your male pattern hair loss is cured according to that 2023 study that showed DHT in the hair follicle is extinct on Dut. While more hairs recover at 2.5mg (due to more scalp suppression), it’s probably not enough for the hairs that have gone fully vellus. Because too many cycles of DHT prior to treatment damaged those follicles beyond recovering. You need a growth stimulant and VDPHL seems to be the best one next to…estrogen.

>>18664457
>>18664472
would it even matter when dutatseride has such a long half life anyway?

>>18664480
The effectiveness of Dutasteride doesn’t have to do with the half-life of the drug, but rather, the half-life of the 5AR enzymes it targets in the body. So yes, a slow release shouldn’t matter.

My temples actually grew back after 3 months oral dut and topical minoxidil.

>>18664914
did you use minox before or was it just the dut?

>>18664914
Microneedling?

>>18665108
Nope
>>18665048
Didn't use it before

does min promote faster hair growth in nonbaldies?

>>18665230
yes

>>18665230
yes, it's commonly used for patchy beards

>>18665237
>>18665262
very nice tyty
i want to grow my hair longer than all the women i know
i will subscribe to daily min updates

>>18664914
That’s probably the minox to be honest, dut needs more than 3 months usually. Keep going though

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Should I even bother trying? It's been getting worse the past months, I don't think I could even grow back what I lost.
Might as well go bald at this point.

>>18665612
You look NW3 and that’s still a good time to treat. Jump straight to Dutasteride, I’d say 0.5mg 3 times a week and then topical minoxidil after 6 months if you don’t see results.

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Fellas, it's fucking over. I'll be taking the buzz pill promptly.

>>18665666
I know you didn’t expect to get support here, but it’s better to take treatment for a couple years and see what happens. Shaving your head is a self-assuring illusion that you are in control of hair loss, while it continues to progress. A shiny shaved scalp isn’t the same as a NW1 guy buzzing it. Pharmaceuticals and hair transplants are the only thing that give you back control of your hair.

>>18665669
Thanks, I've been telling myself I'd start something some day, but always put it off. Granted, the pic is the result of 10+ years of gradual top thinning + seborrheic dermatitis, so the top thinning was really gradual.
I'll probably book a flight to Turkey some time in the future.

At least I can warn other anons to not underestimate it. Just when you think it "settled", it gets worse.

>>18665672
The regret 99% of posters here have is not starting treatment early enough, don’t beat yourself up over it. Good news is that Nizoral (Ketoconazole) shampoo is really all you need to treat seborrheic dermatitis, and that’s OTC. Before you get a transplant it’s wise to be on Finasteride/Dutasteride for a year+ so you see what you max out on treatment before the hair transplant, and then you may not need as many grafts to get your desired hair transplant result. And keep the treatment up after the grafts so your hair doesn’t recede behind the transplant. I’d recommend avoiding topicals since your final goal seems to be a transplant. Best of luck, hair loss sucks. But we have legitimate options now, unlike most of human history.

>>18665674
Thanks, man. I'll try to get my hands on that shampoo.

>>18665612
>>18665666
Yeah it's bad but still better than being bald. You guys need to get on meds ASAP and hold the line like your life depends on it (it kind of does).

>>18665674
>But we have legitimate options now
Chemical castration and killing your cardiac system?

>>18665871
actually raw eggs, raw milk, onion juice, sunlight, sleeping upside down and scalp massages to boost blewtfloe.

>>18665872
>actually raw eggs, raw milk, onion juice, sunlight, sleeping upside down and scalp massages to boost blewtfloe.
take out the sunlight and its a vampiremaxxing routine

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Be honest with me: is my crown balding too?

>>18666031
I would lean towards yes. Without before pictures you can't know for certain.

>>18666031
Thinning at most. I also have had a larger cowlick around my crown than most since I was a kid, and it didn’t improve on Dutasteride when even my temples did. On the plus side, it can’t get permanently worse if you are on Fin/Dut

The cope combover is loosing its effectiveness and it seems like the norwood reaper is ravaging my hairline
Is minoxidil the first option to throw into the ring?

>>18666096
Only if you can’t get a prescription drug somehow, and telehealth exists. Finasteride/Dutasteride will freeze your hair in place and may bring you half or one Norwood scale of improvement with consistent use. Don’t panic about a shed while you’re using them, that means the weak hairs are shedding to make way for stronger ones.