/balding/ and /finasteride/ general - hair is love, hair is life!Sticky: http://tuxbell.com/index.php/BaldingReminder that if you can clearly see down to your scalp when your hair is wet, your hair is thinning, lots of small new hairs sprouting at the hairline or crown is a sign of hair recession.Holy trinity:Tabs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FinasterideLotion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MinoxidilShampoo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KetoconazoleFinasteride/Dutasteride are 5-alpha reductase inhibitors that prevent free T from being converted to DHT, a byproduct of testosterone that serves no purpose after puberty but to choke out your hair follicles and make them thin out and die in a few short years, a condition known as androgenic alopecia.5ar inhibitors prevent your hair from getting any worse, mild regrowth is expected, rapid onset diffuse thinners see a significant recovery on fin alone. Can be taken orally or topically.5ARIs are not dosage dependent, taking as little as as 0.2mg daily fin can reduce serum DHT by 68%, while 5mg reduces by 72%.0.5mg daily dut reduces serum DHT by 95%, but is considered a second line treatment, and can be more expensive and harder to get prescribed. Start with fin.Fin has been used to treat benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH) for 30+ years, it's very well studied and is tolerated well in almost all men, however, there's a 1-2% risk of erectile issues in controlled studies.These can be avoided by reducing dosage, spacing out dosage, or stopping the drug. Fin takes days to fully bio-accumulate, the half life of fin is about 8 hours, adverse effects occuring within minutes of starting fin or persisting long after stopping fin are not real and have no basis in reality. Please note that dut has a much higher half-life of 5 weeks, if you're prone to fin sides, dut may cause them for far longer.Refer to https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3481923/ before responding to PFS trolls.
Minoxidil (liquid and tabs) is a vasodialator that opens potassium channels and widens blood vessels bringing nutrients to your hair follicles, stimulating them into thickening, accelerating growth and elongating the growth phase. Min is taken with fin to restore your hair to it's original hairline, thickness and vigor when hair loss is caught early enough, (pre-NW2). Can be taken orally or topically.Topical min does not work in 1/3 of men because they lack the required enzymes in their scalp, all men have this enzyme in their liver so the oral route is a good fallback.The FDA formulation for 5% liquid minoxidil is food safe (vape juice, ethanol and water) and can be safely taken orally if oral min tabs are expensive or rarely prescribed where you live. As a general rule, ~4 drops (0.1ml) = 5mg minoxidil.There's a 1-2% risk of fluid retention with higher oral dosages, start with the lowest dosage possible and work your way up when you're sure it's well tolerated.Ketoconazole is an anti-androgen and antifungal that inhibits DHT on the scalp and used to treat fungal infections of the scalp that may be making your hair loss worse such as seborrheic dermatitis, a condition where you exhibit severe greasy, flaky large dandruff flakes with dried yellow crystals (blood plasma) embedded in the scalp. Some people may only have traction alopecia (hair loss from scratching or friction), but it will not cure androgenic alopecia on it's own. Can only be taken topically.Do not use spirolactone. Spirolactone is a diuretic which, in large doses, inhibits testosterone and, by extension, DHT.It is regularly prescribed as an anti-androgen for male to female HRT, and thus, comes with an astronomically higher risk of sexual side effects in men including ED, gynecomastia, and can cause potassium toxicity.Previous thread: >>18650456
Use spironolactone. Spironolactone is a diuretic which, in large doses, inhibits DHT.It is regularly prescribed as an anti-estrogen for female to male HRT, and thus, comes with an astronomically lower risk of sexual side effects in men.
>ctrl+F tret>no resultsAmateur hour.
>>18666569>the father and brother/uncle in the backgroundpoor dude never stood a chance with those genes
>>18666717Pro tip: You can tell if a dude has a wig on from looking at their temple peaks. It’s not normal to have recessed temple peaks (implies a Norwood) with full density on top and no M shaped hairline. Most hair transplants don’t bother with restoring temple peaks either due to graft limitations.
there is nothing you can do against balding, stop with these irritating ass threads
Balding is based.
>>18666732There are both preventative and restorative options. You could have saved your hair if such information was available to you when you still had, aka the entire point of these threads.
>>18666568>___ is love, ____ is lifeWhat the fuck does that mean?
>>18666732Except for all the stuff mentioned in the first two posts.
>>18666809you don't remember shrek is love shrek is life?
anyone else thinking of doing spiro for a year then hopping off? apparently skin gets a lot better too. no one gives a shit about muscles or gym anymore so being more handsome with more hair cant hurt?
>>18666901You first
>>18666808the only free cheese is in a mouse trap
>>18666901>before: bald spots fully exposed>after: combovereverytime
>>18666920clearly the midscalp has hair
>>18666921Clearly the bald is still showing through the combover, and clearly one should be doing before/after comparsions without adding unnecessary confounding factors, to do so is a sign of either severe retardation or an attempt to manipulate the perceived results.
>>18666923it's not a 1:1 angle comparison but on the left the midscalp is almost slick bald while the one on the right clearly has thick hair
One interesting thing I read recently is that lots of Japanese men wear wigs due to their very materialistic society. You don't see many balding ones, either full head of hair or then "boom" once over 70, many completely bald. The reason is black hair is very easy to get cheap human hair wigs from India that look convincing compared to white people's hair. So most working age men wear a wig in Japan until retirement unless they specifically want to rebel from the trend and rock a skinhead. Would you guys wear a wig if it was more commonplace among men in the West?
>>18666945You forget that taking hair loss meds has less stigma associated with it in Asia (even Dutasteride is approved for hair loss there). But If I HAD to, as in NW7 with no chance of normal looking hair even with a transplant, yes. The horseshoe look isn’t for me. And people who shave their head with advanced hair loss don’t fool anyone.It’s extra bizarre when you realize how common it is for women with no hair loss to wear wigs and paradoxically how stigmatized it is for men with a condition that makes them bald to wear one.
>>18666568keki leave more hair in the shower than you have on your heads
>>18666952Laugh it up while you can, chances are without meds you will end up like the 90% of men who experience hair loss.
>>18666950Yea in the West women, and especially black women get hair extensions, perms, "weaves", and wigs. 30% of women lose significant amounts of hair and they have their copes for it that men somehow are not allowed to partake in.
>>18666953ok. laughin nowlaughin tomorrowstill laujghinlol
>>18666950>It’s extra bizarre when you realize how common it is for women with no hair loss to wear wigs and paradoxically how stigmatized it is for men with a condition that makes them bald to wear one.It's not bizzare at all. Women wear wigs for fun. Men wear wigs to alleviate genetic signs of aging. The opposite sex never likes when the other is trying to hide signs of aging because it interferes with their ability to make an accurate judgement on whether you're of good enough genetic quality to mate with. Men don't like it when women cake on makeup, get botox, ass/tits makeup, etc. Women don't like when men have to gymrat to have a good physique, wear a wig to have hair, etc. Both sides want the other to be naturally attractive, because that's what their kids will be getting if you fuck.
>>18667015>ass/tits makeupimplants*
Do you guys prefer minoxidil foam or liquid (fast drying vs PG penetration etc?)
should I supplement my temples with topical minox or just keep taking oral 2.5mg? are there any pros or cons do this?
>>18667103Yes so long as you are a responder.
>>18667070oral. topical is gay
>>18667166Oral doesn’t do shit for me outside of my lashes. My body fr cursed or something, fin also didn’t do shit. Dut shows promises tho
>>18667015and yet it's completely accepted by society for women to wear makeup. it's the same thing as men wearing wigs but that's not socially accepted
Been on fin+min oral for ~9 months now, and I'm noticing that the volume of my ejaculate is way less than it was before - Is this normal?
>>18667015No one's having kids these days in part because everything has turned so superficial. It's all bullshit, women fraud, men fraud, fraud all you want you're not leaving anything behind anyways.
>>18667202you're taking a hormone blocker. there are no free rides here
Does anyone here know if post finasteride syndrome is a real thing or if it's just hogwash?
>>18667229probably real but inflated numbers by hypochondriacs
>>18666568I’m 30 years old, is that too old for a textured crop? I want to cover my fivehead but I don’t want to come off as an unc trying to look like a zoomer.
>>18666910>the only free cheese is in a mouse trapyeah, that's why i pay for it with money instead.
>>18667229Almost certainly not real, these guys were depressed and retarded before they started it, and will be depressed and retarded after. The difference is now they can blame it on a pill instead of take responsibility, so they weave a folktale of mean ol' big pharma stealing their spirits away instead of manning up.
>>18667218Yeah, I get that and I can live with it, I just found it odd that I hadn't seen it reported as a side effect by anyone else
>>18667257I've never noticed it, if anything, I got even more horny with longer lasting orgasms after starting fin and later tapering it for dut.
>>18667229No evidence, not even a plausible mechanism of action. The last guy i saw talking about it was complaining about feeling bad mentally while clearly being on roids, that's the caliber of these claims.>muh big pharma is covering up the truth!It's a fucking generic that costs pennies, big pharma isn't making shit.
>>18667202yes that can happen. same with more frequent urination, as inhibiting the production of DHT over time will weaken muscles around the prostate. but it doesn’t impact fertility, generally the sperm is still healthy and capable of fertilizing an egg>>186672185AR inhibitor ackchyually
>>18667229Ask yourself why nobody on Proscar for BPH gets it. >because old men take itSo, a population that should be at higher risks of ED? And yet we have…fucking nothing.
>>18667229If you look at topical finasteride the rate of pfs among users plummets. Why? You still absorb a ton of it into your blood stream, which does cause a sizable systemic drop in DHT levels. Yet the rate of pfs is still lower. Almost like it’s a placebo effect. I’ve been taking finasteride since August and have had no side effects. It does seem to make me a little drowsy so I take it at night instead of in the morning.
>>18667249Depends on your hair, if you’re losing it then any style with a fade looks comically bad since they are associated with teenagers. Honestly, past the age of 25 fades and lineups look bad, unless you’re black. Tom Cruise, Johnny Depp, and Brad Pitt in the 90s-00s had all sorts of looks and they were in their 30s, use them for inspo
>>18667346Then what hairstyle would you suggest?My hair isn’t that bad. The crown has a spot where the thinning is really bad but I can easily cover it with a little bit of hair fibers. At this point I just have a big forehead.
>>18666950>And people who shave their head with advanced hair loss don’t fool anyoneI don't think the point is to fool peopleUnless you have a particularly unpleasant skull shape, most men look better with a shaved head than with advanced hair loss, and in a lot of cases it's involved with the confidence boost you get from "taking control" of your looks instead of having to contend with genetics
>>18667423>I don't think the point is to fool peopleThe point is to feed balding men a narrative that boils down to giving up, telling them that growing a nasty beard while shaving their horseshoe bald daily is “winning” against their genetics. Looking like a cancer patient is mildly better than having a NW67 horseshoe. But most of us aren’t at that stage. A shaved shiny scalp cannot frame the face anywhere close to what a guy without hair loss has with a buzzcut. https://youtube.com/watch?v=nYgMV3tugzA
>>18667436>telling them that growing a nasty beard while shaving their horseshoe bald daily is “winning"When the alternative is George Costanza, the soijak look can be a small mercyKeep in mind that this advice is reserved for men that are already too far gone for one reason or another, whether they react badly to meds or they didn't have the info available at the time or they were just plain stubborn, or maybe they simply don't careUnder these conditions, it's the very opposite of giving up
>>18667325These companies offering topical fin are cashing in on it by propagating topical as the only means of avoiding the dreaded PFS symptoms. There is no reason for topical fin to exist other than to profit off of fear at a heavily marked up price.
>>18667356Buzz it or start treating it and hope it gets better. You may as well just wear a wig if you're looking for techniques to avoid looking bad.
>>18667229Entirely anecdotal, I can anecdotally tell you I've been on fin for 4 months now with no side effects, but my hair density did improve.
>>18667458What makes you think I’m not on treatment? I have been on 1mg finasteride with topical minoxidil and tretinoin since August. I’m going to try to make my hair look as good as possible. My hair loss isn’t that severe.
>>18667167same. dut seems to be working for me
>>18666945god i didnt realise he is wearing a wig. makes sense, his hair is always really shit looking.
>>18667436>neurotic feminized 40+ year old looksmaxxer who's OCD about his hair no thanks, i'm not a faggot
>>18667652You're on the fashion board.
Thoughts on nanoxidil? My dermatologist prescribed it to me instead of minoxidil
>>18667873you got scammed
>>18667875I haven't bought either one yet, but how so?
>>18667879isnt topical min otc where you live?
>>18667881I'm assuming it is, I JUST left the dermatologist's office and haven't really explored any options yet
>>18666596What's a good telehealth to get tret from? I'm on adapalene and have been thinking about switching over for anti-aging gainz.
>>18668022Seconding this anon. I've been on OTC retinol for 3 years (started same time as fin) and I was thinking about bumping up. I asked Gemini about adapalene and it said that it purposely avoids stimulating a retinol receptor (alpha) which is key for deeper collagen remodeling, and tretinoin does, so I'm sure we'd both see gains on tret.
Does it make sense to take more than 0.5mg Dutasteride a day? Also if 5mg of oral minoxidil don’t show any real effect (or side effects), should I titrate up to 10mg? I feel like most medications don’t seem to take effect for me unless it’s in higher doses like 800mg ibuprofen
>>18668220Honestly I would be very hesitant in upping oral minox doses. I already keep having second thoughts on my daily 2.5mh because of the studies about how its potential long term side effects, but I just fucking HATE having to apply a shitty foam/lotion to my scalp every day, especially cause I have sensitive, dermatitis prone skin.
>>18668224Most people taking topical twice daily will get around 2mg absorbed systemically, more if you microneedle and people safely take it for decades. I don't think you need to worry about long term sides until you get into high doses (>5mg) as the half life is relatively short until you exceed 5mg in which case it can be present for 24 hours and increases linearly the higher your dose past 5mg.
>>18668220If 5mg oral minoxidil isn't producing any growth then it's almost certainly one of 3 things.1)Hair loss is not caused by MPB2)You haven't taken it long enough (3-6 months is the earliest you can expect to see initial results)3)Your follicles were left untreated for too long and have essentially died. (Rare)
>>18668224What long time effects? I’ve read minoxidil can reshape your heart and cause cardiac effusion but other than that it seems safe if you’re healthy and young. It’s just that I read a new dec 2025 study from Spain how 10mg oral minoxidil is actually very efficacious but that shit scares me because I can’t go to the cardiologist. >>18668282Not gonna lie I think I need to visit a thyroid doctor. My GP told me it’s MPB so I started with finasteride and oral minoxidil over a year ago. It didn't help outside of my lashes (also no hypertrichosis). I’ve used topical minoxidil for a lot of years and got vellus hair all over my forehead but they aren’t going terminal (haven’t done micro needling yet but I’ve punctured one hole into my forehead with a needle and a thick and dark hair has been growing out of it) Now I’m on Dutasteride for almost 4 months and I think it’s helping but all I want is hairline regrowth.
everyone itt (including me)how does topical min taste?
>>18668347like medicine, i put like 9 drops in a glass and add water to make sure I drink all of it
>>18668342You've probably been looking for regrowth in the wrong places then. The hairline in most cases cannot be lowered by meds alone once it has receded. You might get a little bit of density and shaping but you're not going to reverse a norwood level.>>18668347Reminds me of vodka obviously heavily diluted
>>18668347It smells like alcohol so probably alcoholic?
>>18667882>Gives advice about something he knows nothing aboutThanks for the Reddit advice
>>18668372What? I'm literally asking FOR advice, did you read the wrong reply chain or are you just illiterate?
I'm shedding less hair in the shower, but is there a chance of evening the temples out with finasteride? My hairline is even less symmetrical compared to my temples so I'm assuming that won't happen.I wish dut was easier to prescribe in my country.
>>18668381It's possible but nobody can tell you for certain how you will respond to fin. To increase your odds at least apply minoxidil directly to the temples, ideally orally.
>>18668381Best way to know is to see if you have baby hairs left near your temples or hairline. Try using flash in a pitch black room to take a photo of your temples, if there are no baby hairs around the hairline, you might be SOL.
Guise I hope you’re all stockpiling your fin before the fuel crisis kicks in
>>18668381Is dut superior to fin? Should I make the switch from fin?
>>18668486Only hurdle is getting a prescription, but yes, it's strictly superior to fin. Dut even shrunk my pores a bit thanks to type 1 5AR enzyme suppression. About $5 more per refill when compared to fin but it's generic so very cheap still.
>>18668485Meds will never not be prioritized. Non issue unless you're in some backwoods eastern euro country.
>>18668496Cope. An oil crisis will lead to a petrochemical shortage and in turn a critical drug shortage. Production of essential drugs such as penicillin and cortisone will be prioritized over nonessentials like fin and min. The impact on supply chains will cause soaring prices in all aspects of the medical industry. We already had this exact thing play out in the 1973 oil crisis, what makes you think it will be any different this time around?
What's the average dose for Minox taken orally? I am pretty sure my dermatologist is doing half of that for some reason to make me stop asking for Minox. It's 5mg, right? Or is that just the topical dose?
>>18668499Fin is not a cosmetic hair loss drug you nonce.
Also, whichever one of you retards in the last thread was trying to push that Minox isn't potentially fatal to dogs should rope.
>>18668503Nobody has ever said it wasn't. They probably told you not to be a slob putting minoxidil all over your pets accidentally.
>>18668506>inadvertent contact with humans (i.e. pet licking human skin or contaminated bedding)It's very easy for minox to spread topically because it's so greasy. It seeps into everything. Someone was insisting that it only is deadly if they lick you (which the article supports, but conveniently skips the other half of what inadvertent exposure means).
>>186685015mg is the max for hair loss, 2.5 or below is standard. Your derm isn't lying
>>18668507Seeps into what your dogs bed? How hard is it to be a responsible adult.
>>18668502It’s still lower priority compared to something like penicillin you absolute nigger faggot. And prices are going to rise anyway so you might as well stock up while it’s still cheap and plentiful you fucking bald brown nigger troon.
>>18668514You sound delusional and borderline insane. You need a break from /pol/ at all costs.
Just realized after shower that my hair is getting absolutely JUSTed and my thinning is happening evenly in a full blown pic related pattern across my crownFound a top rated hair specialist in my city but wanted to inform myself before scheduling an appointment - is min the first treatment that I will get prescribed or are they going straight for fin Also are the memes true that it can affect your homones?
>>18668790I went to a dermatologist and he explained everything to me. It doesn’t affect your hormones in the way you think it does. It doesn’t suddenly pump you full of estrogen like a tranny. What it does is inhibit the production of a testosterone byproduct, leaving the estrogen you already have to be useful.Men produce more testosterone than women, and women produce more testosterone than men. That doesn’t mean one sex is 100% testosterone or estrogen. The hormones have roles in helping your body. For example, estrogen is for wound healing and preventing your body from deteriorating. If you were 100% testosterone, you’d look like a bald wrinkly ape with decay like a corpse. Too little and you’d be youthful, but completely flabby and soft like a puddle or Humpty Dumpty.I’ve been on fin and min tablets since the beginning of January. No erectile problems, if anything, better erections because I have free test now. Skin is also better as well. The only downside is the shed phase around the beginning of the third month which eventually subsides.What it’s like:>Sudden growth within a month and a half, impressive gains >Gains suddenly shed around the second month near the end of the month and beginning of the third month>Shedding stops and you get this weird regrowth of little hairs around the edges all over that you’re so tempted to touch because it feels like little springs.>Ass hairs suddenly grow fast
>>18668790Tell your derm you have tried minoxidil before and it wasn't giving you the results you wanted. They will offer you that first in most cases, you want finasteride, minoxidil is only supplementary and not a first line defense.
How long does a treatment shed last and how long does it take for the shed hair to grow back? I started taking fin 3 months ago and it nuked my frontal hair density and recently I switched to dut which feels like its re-nuking it. Im losing hair in the shower like crazy.I have long thin almost translucent dirty blonde hair so I can see my scalp through it on the hairline. I didnt do my due diligence taking progress pics so now Im left second guessing myself and thinking my hair just looked this bad before treatment and I didnt notice. Its gotta be a treatment shed right? Also trying to look for fuzz or miniaturized vellus hair or something but I cant see shit. I need some reassurance chooms.
>>18668868Shedding varies from person to person. Some of it is quick, some of it is gradual. Some people start early, while some don’t shed until the middle of the third month. I know this may come off as Reddit-tier, but be happy you’re shedding and shedding good. That means that it’s working and that means it’s going to eventually stop. Kinda like puking, you don’t wanna do it, but you’ll feel better once you get it over with. You’ll be fine. Just work out and occupy your time until the summer. Maybe go for a hike every week.
>>18668509>never put your head against your couch, in fact, never lay on your couch>never lean back into a chair with a headrest, ever>never let your dog onto your bed, not once>and you better make sure they never, ever lick your face/head!Stop being fucking retarded.
>>18668868Did you switch cold turkey to dut? It's best to overlap them (daily fin and daily dut dose) at first for like 3 months. While true that dut starts working immediately, it takes longer to fully saturate tissues like the scalp. Could be that the extra 10% scalp supression compared to fin started a shed, but that extra 10% is only when you have dut fully built up, it shouldn't trigger a shed immediately if you're overlapping fin.
Reminder that finasteride nukes your hormones and makes your sperm stop working. The guys who have been on this drug 10-20 years are basically trannies with feminine faces and are sterile
>>18668903The foam dries completely in about 30 minutes. Stop being a belligerent slob.
>>18668946nice grandpa ring baldcel
>>18668946What does he mean by feminine faces?
I posted before/after pics of myself in the last thread, here's a hairline closeuphonestly impressed how steady the regrowth has been, nearly linear over the last 10 months (excuse my eyebrows)
>>18668983That's a shitposting cretin, inhibiting the production of DHT leads to more testosterone which can lead to more estradiol (that is not necessarily bad, since 5ar blockers are increasing testosterone in the first place) and that can improve skin/hair. Dutasteride blocks the type 1 5AR isoenzyme which up-regulates sebum production and worsens pores/acne. Like Kevin Mann said, I'm GLAD that Finasteride and Dutasteride increase the amount of testosterone in my body as less is wasted on producing the trash hormone DHT.
>>18668989you are both dumb as fuck tbqh and don't think you have a grasp on biochemistry plz
>>18668990DHT is trash and adults don't need it. Even IF you were to inhibit all 5AR enzymes fully, the body has other pathways to synthesize DHT that don't rely on the 5AR isoenzyme, so your nEuRoStErOiDs are fine even on 2.5mg+ of Dutasteride.
>>18668988What’s your protocol and when did you start after first discovering hairloss?
>>18668988From your eyebrows, I guess you're on oral min? Insane how much hair is present lower on the temporal peaks (your eyebrows are practically touching your temporal peak at the bottom) but the fronto-temporal region is still bare with some regrowth at the hairline. Reversing a NW2 to a NW1 is fucking hard.
>>186689940.5mg dut + 2x topical min 0.5%I was NW2/pre-pic hairline at 17-18, acknowledged recession at 25, started treatment at 26 and am 27 now>>18668996no oral min I'm just hairy as fuck + probably topical min AoE
>>18669003also dermastamping 0.6-0.8mm weekly
>>18668989you've used the wrong picture>>18668992sup troons, hope ya'll troonin'
>>18669004Seems like microneedling mixed with minoxidil is some kind of miracle treatment. How often do you take dut and where did you get it from?
>Brits can get 360 pills of Avodart for 250£Why can’t the EU be like this?
>>18669006once a day, at first I used jeet Urodart off the 'net, then generic dut by a reputable local brand and now Avodart since it's the same price as generichonestly there's no difference, but I didn't feel any difference between fin 0.25mg and dut 0.5mg either
>>18669021I pay €13 for 30
>>18669005he looks horrible. male wall impact victim
>>18669023>30Lole. Price isn’t the problem but getting huge amounts of it is
>>18669021I got my doctor to write the prescription for 180 pills per refill and I pay 38$ at Costco for Dutasteride generics. I'm glad it's easy to get prescribed here in the US.
>>18669033How often do you get refills/how many mg do you take per day?
>>18669034I only get two refills per year, so 0.5mg daily. I could probably stack prescriptions if I wanted to do higher doses daily, but 0.5mg is going strong for me.
>>18668992Enjoy turning into a scrawny feminine troon with a broken sterile micropenis
>>18669046Most bald men look like that and maybe with some cope facial hair.
>>18669024Bogged actually
>>18668946as far as le science has been able to prove, DHT doesn't actually do anything in the human body after puberty except making your prostrate larger and miniaturizing your hair follicles
>>18667229Certainly not real in my case. I've been in dutasteride 0.5mg a day for 2 years with no sides. Ru58841 gave me brain fog though, other people were commenting on it before I noticed so don't think it was placebo
>>18669141according to mr "i speak like a neurotic woman on birth control" haircafe? he's my favorite youtuber!
On 2.5mg oral min for a month steady now, no sides anymore at allFunny how I got the most noticeable sides at 0.625mg, then when I upped it to 1.25mg, only slight sides, and now at 2.5mg there was nothing. I'll stay on this dosage until February next year at least. I wanna give 2.5mg a year to see if it does its thing before upping it to 5mg.The problem is, I'm scheduled for a hair transplant in June this year. After about September, I'll start seeing noticeable regrowth as is typical for transplants. How do you figure out what's oral min regrowth and what's transplant results? Kinda fucked kek. Oh well. Probably just see if I feel satisfied around Feb next year, if not, then hop on 5mg.
>>18669021Where the fuck are you from I can't even get it prescribed
>>18668946Finasteride is not birth control, retard.
Finally got my first haircut after ~6 weeks into oral minox and fin, and the difference is amazing. My hair is actually filling in and no longer looks like I have a massive thin spot on top when under light. Genuinely the best decision I made in my life and I'm glad I did so early. If the progress keeps up I think I could have my hair looking like I'm 20 again in a year.
>>18667229I'm mixed on it. There's a prominent tranny doctor (as in, a doctor who primarily treats trannies) who studies PFS, insists it's real, is ONLY caused by finasteride and not dutasteride or any other other hormonal meds, and I'm not autistic enough to understand his exact theory but it's something to do with 5AR inhibition fucking with neurosteroids that are also made with 5AR.
>>18669416how the fuck do you fags respond so fucking quickly on these drugs?
>>18669452>There's a prominent tranny doctor (as in, a doctor who primarily treats trannies) who studies PFS, insists it's realBased on what?>>18669476NTA but i also saw pretty decent initial gains on fin+min within 2 months, but it slows down considerably. Don't expect the same rate of regrowth to continue, it won't. Be happy if you get to keep those gains.
>>18669476no before and after pics with same lighting and hair length so why believe them? most likely placebo effect
>>18669476Because they're stacking min? If you're only on a 5AR blocker, you need at least 3 months, and the best cosmetic result is at 18-24 months
>>18669253At the end of the month or the next month you will experience shedding. Don’t be scared, though. That’s supposed to happen, and the sooner it happens, the better.
Picrel taken a few days ago, maybe a NW3 diffuse at 23 yo.Planning the following:1) 1.25mg Fin ED2) 2x Liquid Minox ED 3) x3/week Tretinoin gel 0.025% for increased absorption of minoxidil.4) maybe microneedling in the futureWill try to report in 3, 6, 9, 12 months.i have had good results with meds in the past but i want to be consistent now with this schedule. I may have a broscience take on this but working out consistently (weight lifting and cardio) elevates my testosterone to the point where i no longer feel finasteride side effects if taken daily.goal is thick enough hair to where i can rock a buzzcut with a fade or something like that since i have straight fine hair. Wish me luck anons i hope the tretinoin makes a difference.
>>18669492it's fishy anon, minoxidil is worse than finasteride for the average person per hair counts gained
>>18669536Maybe min on it's own? When oral min/good topical response is combined with fin/dut you can expect great results like clockwork. Fin alone is definitely more of a gamble with your time.
what else should i use when im using .5 dut daily, ketoconazle shampoo 2% twice per week? not going to use minoxidil though. are collagen peptides helpful? trying to get my vitamin d up too
>>18669692Why not minoxidil? Bimatoprost works but it’s hella expensive and one bottle only contains 3ml. Collagen peptides are a meme because topically it’s too big to pass the skin barrier and orally the body can’t really absorb it. Vitamin D is always helpful tho, I also take it as supplement.
>>18669695are you sure about collagen? there's apparently some research that suggests it can help:https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9569759/and i don't want to bother with topical application of minoxidil every day and i might get side effects from it anyway because i got side effects just from 1.25mg oral minoxidil
>>18669701>miceBruh.
I'm 38 and bald. Ask me anything. Except questions that are clearly just insults
>>18669764when did you first start balding and how did it affect your dating life
>>18669764did you know of any treatments when it happened?
If I've been on fin+min for ~5 years, can I come off the min and keep most or all of my gains? I don't really get the argument that min gains are temporary.Failing that, can I do a very low dose of minoxidil to avoid facial ageing and eye bags? What is the lowest dose I can do to keep my gains?
>>18669899i dont think theres any studies about it but anecdotally i hear people lose gains when they quit minoxidil even when on fin. maybe it sheds but fin can grow it back to similar thickness?
>>18669899>can I do a very low dose of minoxidil to avoid facial ageing and eye bags?That's just an internet meme without any scientific evidence. You can do min liquid in the evenings or better yet, switch to oral min.
>>18669899Drink more water, best way against edema
Does Indian Dutasteride like Urodart work or should I rather get Turkish made Avodart?
>>18669899>can I come off the min and keep most or all of my gainsNo.>I don't really get the argument that min gains are temporaryFamiliarize yourself with the concept of homeostasis. A car doesn't keep moving without gas, you don't keep your high standard of living if you get fired from your high paying job, and you don't get to keep changes sustained by an exogenous substance if you quit the exogenous substance. There's very little in the body's metabolism that can be altered permanently.
It's been exactly 3 months since I've started daily treatment, 1.2mg fin and 3mg min, both oral/pill. I decided to take a comparison picture early because I noticed, looking in the mirror, that I no longer clearly see my cranium through my hair, it's thick enough near the scalp to blur the line that used to be clear.
>>18670206Impressive
>>18666568Can I get away with just finasteride and microneedling? Minoxidil gives me heart palpitations everytime I use it.
>>18670266If you're going solo 5AR blocker then might as well bump up to Dutasteride, unless you need a low dose of Finasteride or else you get sides.
>>18666568That's literally my face posting on here you faggots suck my dick
>>18670267I've been on a super low dose of topical fin (0.025%) for a while now and have pretty much been maintaining what I got, just threw in microneedling to my routine last month. I was gonna bump up the fin dosage since I don't have any side-effects.
>>18670266Can you? Nobody knows what your goals are or how you respond to fin. Just take it and find out if it's enough for you.
>>18670269Why that low dose? You should increase it for sure
stop ze fighting! It is futile. Embrace it
>>18670721being clean shaven bald is way more effort than taking one pill a day
>>18670742do bald guys take 4-5 pics of the top of their head and hairline every morning to track their progress and then style the hair ruthlessly to make sure it looks le perfect from every angle and then pray the wind doesn't blow the wrong way? i'm not even bald but eventually will be but it's extremely clear that having a bald head is a lot less effort
>>18670996I'm sure there's bald dudes that do this, what point are you trying to make.Having intact hair follicles is not a prerequisite for personal vanity.
>>18670996You don't think hat/beanie guys exist for a reason?
>>18670206seems like different lighting
>>18670996>do bald guys take 4-5 pics of the top of their head and hairline every morning to track their progressnobody does this and that's why nobody should believe 99% of the progress pics you see
>>18671407Are you blind?
>>18671415bc it clearly is different lighting and you would rather i stated it vs asking?
>>18671420You could literally count hairs which are not present in the first photo. All that's different is the color temperature of the room, they're both taken under direct bathroom lighting.
>>18671407That density increase is not a difference in lighting. Even the hairline has a solid outline where it was incredibly wispy in the before. Hyper responder type shh
if I don't see any results on 2.5mg oral min after 6 months, is it worth it to wait the full year to see if anything happens or just up it to 5mg after that?
>>18671421>>18671498so take a pic in the same lighting
>>18671510Up your dosage. I take more than one of those a day.
lowkenuinely glad i started meds early because if i waited as long as some of you did i would've just ended it already
>>18671510Better question is: is 2x2,5mg or 1x5mg better because of minoxidil spikes in the blood and constant Minoxidil levels?
>>18670206good job, faggotlooks like you're going to recover into a solid norwood 3schedule an HT for later this year and get that hairline returned to norwood 1 and you're golden
>>18671588>schedule an HT for later this year and get that hairline returned to norwood 1 and you're goldenI've never seen a transplant for the temples/temple peaks to restore a straight-across hairline that didn't look "done" or fake, at least for caucasian hair texturesThe hair even in dudes with AGA is naturally thinner there and your surgeon needs expert placement, maybe if you somehow have close-ups of your hairline before AGA set in they could attempt to recreate your pre-recession hairline without looking uncanny
>>18671591just don't go to turkey and pony up $10k for an actual skilled surgeonthat's why I'm saying book now, it's 6 months out minimum
Not a balding question but has anyone noticed how a stubble looks better on a patchy beard pattern than a full beard pattern?Compare this
>>18671601vs this which is a full beard non patchy pattern
>>18671265the point is that it's more effort>>18671388insecure bitchbois but fair point>>18671409the people that post their hairline on here do this and all of reddit does this, that's not 1%
>>18671591Donor hair is too thick. I think the way in which it rests is also different from the original hair. A good surgeon will advise against lowering the hairline significantly and will instead focus of shaping and thickening the existing one.
New VDPHL Phase III info just dropped: taking normal oral minoxidil twice a day is more effective than once.
>>18671588No, that's all right, I'm fine with just doing this. I have a face that works with that hairline, which is why I was happy with it up until the top started to thin out. If I can just get back to where I was, I'm not going to drop thousands of dollars to get back a hairline that just looks weird and artificial.
>>18666568We just need to hold out for clascoterone bros. Next year we're going home.
>>18671765There is always the next big thing right around the corner isn't there? As with everything I will believe when it's on the market and it objectively outperforms fin min.
I'm on fin for 2 years now, doing great.For some reason I'm afraid of trying min because of the supposed risks with increased heart rate or whatever. I do wonder what results I might be able to get. I am almost norwood 2, so I wonder if restoration close to the original would be possible.
>>18671736Does that mean taking your current dosage twice a day or spacing your current dosage across 2 doses?
>>18671860NTA, but generally spaced out dosage would result in minoxidil being present in the bloodstream longer, with a lower overall concentration at the peak. I think you are better off with a higher concentration than a longer lasting one which is evident by the higher the dosage the better the growth. Based on this data it would seem the higher initial concentration in the bloodstream leads to better results as all doses taper off linearly.
>>18671860Pic related. Lets say you wanna take 5mg a day you’re better off splitting it since constant minoxidil in the blood stream is better than an initial spike. Seeing how each dose stays in the blood for around 8 hours makes me wanna take 2,5mg 3 times a day for maximum saturation but I always fear my doc denying me my meds because I up titrated myself without his consent.
>>18671920Why is a consistent level in the bloodstream better? A higher initial concentration reaches more hair follicles and initiates the prolonging of the anagen phase on a larger target. This process doesn't require constant stimulation because the hair cycle is quite long, it only needs to be signaled to remain in anagen phase daily or slightly less. In theory splitting dosages would only increase the rate of growth not the overall increase in hair count.Topical is like a slow release of 50mg over 22 hours and the results are usually lackluster compared to that initial spike received from oral.
>>18671877>Based on this data it would seem the higher initial concentration in the bloodstream leads to better results as all doses taper off linearly.pulled right out of your ass because you're a fucking retard the entire point of the VDPHL thing is that this is entirely unnecessary and only potentially harmful
>>18671976Where is the data showing an increase in hair count from consistent min in blood levels? You were fed a lie, very common in this game unfortunately.
>>18671980literally the entire point of the VDPHL thing, and it's how topical minoxidil works as well despite having tiny, nearly imperceptible peak concentrations in the blood lol
>>18671984And there are trials comparing overall hair count to standard oral minoxidil? Don't tell me they've just managed to trick you into buy oral min at an even higher premium.
>>18671990Oh according to a cursory google search having previously been on oral minoxidil makes you ineligible for the research studies. Strange!
>>18671933The reason why topical is lackluster for most people isn’t because it’s slow release but because 60% of all people don’t have the enzymes to convert minoxidil into its active sulphate form. Oral minoxidil in comparison gets metabolized by the liver which has plenty of said enzymes to convert minoxidil into its active form. But I mean if you think you know better you might apply as a researcher at Veradermics and get them to cancel their slow release minoxidil since it doesn’t have the huge initial spike of 5 to 10mg or whatever.
>>18672005Veradermics themselves have even stated that their timed release tech is only hypothetically more effective. It's all a gigantic scam to patent an off patent, readily available generic treatment and make billions of dollars from a bunch of desperate rubes.
The prescription for the min spray my derm gave me contains cortisone. Can I use this for oral consumption? I'm mostly worried about heart related sides so I've been too scared to go oral. Are the dangers fearmongering or should I wait for slow release just to be safe?
>>18672210look up glucocorticoid wthdrawal and decide for yourself
>>18672210Are you Indian? I’ve only ever seen topical cortisone in Indian minoxidil.
>>18672214Guess I'll wait then.>>18672264You can call me a million slurs but in*ian is going way too far. I started with normal min but on a followup my derm did a pull test and advised adding cortisone. I get both my min spray and fin pills made in a local pharmacy so adding stuff isn't a big deal.
My hairline is actually not bad. It’s like a Norwood 3, which is pretty acceptable. But it’s the fucking thinning on top, especially towards the front. It’s fucking brutal. Even though the hairline is okay, the thinness makes basically every single possible hairstyle look like complete shit. I’m being forced into a buzzcut because everything else looks terrible. I am on finasteride, by the way. About 8 months. I don’t think my hair has gotten worse but it certainly hasn’t gotten any better either. I haven’t used min because I didn’t want to start with both at the same time. Somebody please invent something that actually works. Thanks.
>>18672448Finasteride maintains and gives moderate regrowth in most people, usually further from the hairline. If you want to continue to only take a pill, ask your doctor to start Dutasteride since you plateaued on Finasteride.
>>18672449Or I could have my entire head surgically removed.
Norwoodimg pretty bad. Do I shave it or just hold off till its totally fucked?I dont look bad with a shaved head but not great either.
>>18672457If you're obsessing over your hair then just go hat/beanie mode for a year and wait for results to kick in. Or try shaved head and realize that you can't pull it off. Even if you get a hair transplant you have to wait years for the final result as the hairs de-synchronize in their growth phases. And throw everything at it, that means topical/oral min combined with Dutasteride + topical anti-androgens. >>18672459Try Fin.
Is Tamsulosin bad for you? They usually couple it with Dutasteride
>>18672615yeah probably. It's exclusive for prostatecels doesn't do jack shit for hair
>>18666568I switched from topical min to oral 1.25mg. Im on month 3 and the shed has stopped and im seeing baby hairs sprouting am I finally saved. Also is 1.25mg to low a dose for a 30yo male?
>>18672890Post pics
>>18666571Spiro nukes your testosterone, so fuck off with this no sexual side effects bullshit.
>>18672890if its working then leave it. Higher doses means higher risk of sides. Increase it if it stops working.
Weird how now that the white race it’s on its way out they’re finally working and possibly finding cures for hairloss.
>>18666568be real guys, is it over for me?
>>186728901.25mg oral is equivalent to roughly 1 topical application as a responder. Ideally you want 2.5mg - 5mg for the lowest side effect to result ratio.
>>18666568Why are the side effects of finasteride always blown out of proportion?
>>18673349because baldcels want you to join their miserable circlejerk.
Every time I take a shower my scalp gets dry and flaky as fuck, even after using shampoo, even after using keto, even after not using anything but water. Why does this happen?Surprisingly, when I don't take a shower but instead I just rinse my hair with water for a minute and let it dry, it doesn't get flaky, or when I use sea spray.
>>18673350Ummm chud, actually we look like Dwayne the Rock and Jason Statham
>>18673349I suspect it is what the other anon said and plus people who are already super unhealthy taking drugs that mess with their already fucked up body chemistry. I think as long as you're a healthy male you won't notice anything. I definitely haven't.
You must have faith.
>>18673789In?
>>18673794Our Heavenly Father
>>18673799Allah?
I don't want to take meds, so I don't care much about balding tho... However, I really want good styles to make my bald self look good, none reddit basedjack style. Guess I need combat boots + sweater and some under? idk fuck y'all.
>>18674060Truth is, you’ll never look as good as a guy with hair, and there’s a reason all bald men converged on the shaved look - nobody can pull off the Dr. Phil haircut and still look good. Either accept that and move on or take meds for the rest of your life.
>>18674060If you're gonna go as far as to try and style your balding hair you might as well just take the meds. There's no reason not to unless you straight up cannot afford it.
>>18674085I don't want to look good to others, I want to look good for myself. Do you guys really care that much about how others think of you? Certain things are out of your control and you gotta accept it, or, become a aesthetic fanatic and beat your face with a hammer.
>>18674108The best way to look good for yourself is to just keep your hair. Which is possible due to modern medicine. Taking advantage of accessible and proven healthcare doesn't automatically make you the same as people that take meth and break their skull with a hammer like retards.
>>18674108the majority of people on this board are mostly manlet ex-incels and/or perennially single below to average income (relative to purchasing power) men whose only chance to even begin to get into a long term relationship/family/kids or at least sex is having the little shreds of presentable appearance they may have in lieu of a personality that's nice to be around. most of them are too online as well, so their perception of what real world women prefer is skewed by instagram reels of drunk whores swooning for fagicular or whoever the current flavor of the month is. bear in mind this is the same crowd on this board that thinks that ED and bmi under 15 is "cool", just look at thinspo threads. you're spot on with your instinct - pills to keep hair is a vain insecure faggot's cope about their own failures and perceiving hair as some sort of value that is worth messing with your hormones for. serious interesting people you'd want to be around sniff this sort of shit out immediately. i mean, if you're after things that strictly require looking a certain way (impressing gays on the streets with your fits, trying to score whores at a bar/club) then sure it is if you want to relegate yourself to an existence of a lowlife, badly cosplaying as a bukowski-tier character.
>>18674187why would i care if im messing with hormones if i dont have side effects and it keeps my hair
>>18674108Why is brushing your teeth in your control or treating acne but hair loss isn't? Why would you not want to look good for others, it's extremely advantageous in basically every real world situation. Just an overall dumb argument not based in reality whatsoever.
>>18674284You know brushing your teeth is a natural comportament observable in nature, right? And not taking care of your teeth is much more prejudicial in health way than your hair falling off. And treating acne just like hair loss is just another mean to make yourself look good, which isn't a problem itself. The problem is caring so much about something that inevitably you become paranoid with how you look. I honestly think looksmaxing is making MALES gay and more androgenous.Anyway, about looking good for others: You want to look good for others because it's an advantage? The fuck are you, a sociopath? If you need others approval, you are living in a world of pain. You will never look good for everyone. Want to fill your mouth with pills? Fine, do it. It was never my problem, you do as you like, but I don't want to and I want to make myself look good with a bald head. I lift, eat healthy, study languages and have interesting hobbies, if people don't like me that's too bad, don't care, because LIFE is more important than caring about what people think in a Mongolian horse breeding online forum. At least I'm not fat >inb4 coping
>>18674353You are reading way too far into it. If anything this entire worldview you've crafted is nothing more than a way for you to cope with your untreated hair loss. You're lifting and eating healthy to offset your condition, no different than somebody actively treating it with medication, because you are as superficial if not more so than the average guy on here. Clearly you understand the importance of self improvement and the sacrifices that come with it in order to make the most out of LIFE, otherwise a purely hedonistic lifestyle amounting to self degradation while locked in a room enjoying video games, porn, fast food in excess would be the logical apex of enjoying life, destroying your body in the process for endless dopamine hits. You can continue to feign blissful ignorance but deep inside you are well aware of the useful of hair in a world where everything and everyone is looking to take you down a peg.
>>18674353You know what else is natural and observable in nature? Cancer, UV radiation, disease, death. Antibiotics, cooking food, and modern formulations of tooth/skincare are unnatural. Appeal to nature is a fallacy for a reason. All I do is take a pill and know I’ve conquered my hair loss, with my hairline sitting at Norwood 1.5 and improving each year. Deep down you also care, or else you wouldn’t be in the balding general writing screeds trying to convert us to your side.
>>18674358I'm not ignorant that beauty is desirable. However, I couldn't care less about the world. Everything is fake and unsustainable. Do as you like.>>18674385Y'all are correlating hair loss to cancer and teeth brushing lmao.I didn't come here to tell you to not take your medications. I just thought it was a bald thread and I want some inspirations to produce my style. You guys are schizophrenic... it might be the pills you're taking hahahahaha
>>18674353looking good for others can be useful in helping you get a job, people being nicer to you, or attracting people for a relationship.
>>18674187you're mostly just telling on yourself here
>>18674353Well you're just coping about being too scared to take meds and keep your hair. You can do all of the things you're currently doing... and still keep your hair. Going bald is your own conscious choice.This is something you obviously care deeply about. Don't bullshit yourself until it's too late. Unless it's already too late for you and you've lost too much hair which is why you're doing this song and dance. I don't really know.
>>18671591That is dealt with by implanting single hair grafts in the forntal hairline while avoiding all multihair grafts, no one ever questioned my transplanted hairline as being fake. This picture was taken at like 10 months in so it wasn't fully grown yet but is close enough to the final result.
>>18666568I can't stand this fucker's face.
If you just keep your hair you wouldn't need to dedicated the rest of your life to a grueling gym routine to transform into a bald muscle freak, which by the way is actually harming yourself and having hair with that build is still better!
>>18674490Pretty much anything is better than muscles when it comes to being attractive, focusing only on one of the following (skin, hair, bones) will make you more attractive than focusing on muscles, also what increases your attractiveness is leanness not muscle mass, you only need a bit of muscle mass so you need look anorexic when you become lean.
>>18674497>so you need lookso you don't look*
>>18674473all that for a 5 head norwood 2.5. grim
>>18671602this dude is just uglier. patchy is always worse
>>18674497
>>18674502>norwood 2.5I already got out of the crab bucket>5 headOnly 3.5 fingers fit between the upper part of my eyebrow and hairline
>>18674522>>norwood 2.5I forgot to add I had to go to like 5 surgeons because most of them wanted to transplant me a cope "mature hairline" like most get, mature hairline is still balding.
Used min and fin for 3 years and I'm way too thin at the top. It looks disgusting.I shaved my head last year and it looked even worse.Need to find the right hat or I'll kill myself.
>>18674670Switch to oral min and save up for a transplant it would be an easy procedure for just restoring density
>>18674670switch to dut
Just started on minox for the hairline. Do you really need the full 1ml that seems so excessive?
so does fin make you a TRANNY???
>tfw my donor area is too sparse for a transplantit's fucking over. fuck diffuse thinning
>>18674908Drugs don’t work for you?
>>18674902No that's just the amount that was used during research trials on the crown. You should use as much as needed to cover the affected area. Any extra will run off or dry out before it can be absorbed properly. Proper coverage is more effective than going excessive.
>can't take Fin>can't use KetoFuck my chud baka life.
>>18674919minox seems to maintain but my hairline hasn't improved
Does Rosemary Oil actually do anything? I get heart palpitations from minoxidil and looking for some kind of alternative. I already use topical fin and microneedle once a week.
>>18675121Negligible against mpb
>>18674921If I apply only once a day should I be using a bit more in that case? i saw in a haircafe video that once a day is likely enough
>>18675137It depends on your shower schedule. One application continues working for 22 hours. If you apply it after a shower and an entire day passes with it remaining on your scalp once a day is more than enough. You would do it twice if you washed it off early on in your day.
Will VDPHL01 also release in the EU or will we be cucked again?
>>18674906fin increases serum testosterone, it does the exact opposite of force-feminizing you
>>18674906It could lead to your body producing less testosterone naturally due to having too much I guess
>>18675283you need fucktons of exogenous sex hormones before the body stops making it's own altogether
Is fin the first you try, and where do you buy it in the UK?
>>18674926Hi Blake>>18675256probably, it supposedly BTFOs the heart palpitations/perichardial effusion
>>18675313Prescription only. Google for a telehealth company in your country to write you a script.
>>18675340>Hi Blakekek, i know who you're talking about. Blake if you're reading this you need to stay positive. Just hold out for Clascoterone.
>>18675367Script?
Until today, I was coping. It's all seborrheic dermatitis and it's just thin and dead-looking, but ultimately fixable, I thought. Today I went to the hairdresser and saw the state of my sparse scalp and crown. Almost fainted. I'm in a state of dread. Hopefully illness-related thinning and breakage is reversible.
>>18675532Prescription
>>18675573Diffuse thinning is one of the patterns most treatable by fin/dut and min. You're gonna make it but get on the shit NOW>illness-relatedare you absolutely sure or did you happen to get sick when MPB hit and this is another cope layer? I am not saying this to insult you, just think about it carefully because seborrheic dermatitis is an entirely different beast and if you have MPB and treat it as that, you won't get anywhere.
>>18674187>t. malding
Im gonna have to do one week without finasteride, been taking it daily for few years. Is there gonna be any hairline progression? Im nw2.5 and have no vertex yet
>>18675745No it binds to cellular tissue and gives you about 2 months of clearance.
Thoughts? Already on fina and mino, slight receding and hair starting to get sparse, nothing dramatic yet.
>>18675786I don’t think peptides penetrate deep enough
>>18675796It's injectable ghk-cu not topical. It's proven to improve hair growth but probably not a lot.
>>18675573>>18675687I'd still take fin at the very least even if it was sickness relate to be sure.
>>18675687Well, I've been almost underweight and too picky with my food since forever. I've had dandruff for 8 years (since I was 15) and over time, it got worse. I still have brownish flakes coming out with multiples hairs attached. It burns sometimes. I can pull single hairs from every spot all over my scalp. I also wore a cheap polyester hat during too many days in winter. And I am usually deficient in zinc and vit D at least during the winter months (I think the body is bad at saving vit d when you're too thin, and my score drops disgustingly low during February/March. I think I destroyed my scalp with those bad traits and habits. My plan is to keep using the seb. derm. shampoo, with an additional yeast-safe moisturizing conditioner and some c8-c10 mct oil for the thinnest spots. Oral min (safe for seb. derm.) apparently needs prescription here in goymany. What do you think?
>thin>picky with foodsIf you are thin, underweight or very picky, masturbating WILL fuck your hair and scalp. Your sperm has high priority compared to your hair. If you're a gooner or porn addict, you absolutely will lose at least half of your daily zinc intake.
someone remind me what's the diff between fin and dut? which one should i take and how much/day?
>>18676054I would speak to a dermatologist to be absolutely sure its not MPB, because if it is, no amount of anything you are doing will save you. Right now, assuming its diffuse thinning, its a critical period since that is very treatable, but once its gone and the scalp scars over you lose it all at once. If its not, then you're good, just keep doing what you're doing. But I wouldn't want to get it wrong.
>>18676054Is your hair loss only on the top of your scalp or is it affecting the hair on the entirety of your head? If it's the former then it's 99.9% MPB. All of these things you mentioned could only theoretically contribute to the underlying cause of your hair loss and accelerate it but not outright cause it. It sounds to me like you've spun an elaborate cope instead of facing the reality.
>>18676089>once its gone and the scalp scars over you lose it all at oncwait what is this about scalp scarring over with diffuse thinning?
>>18672459Broooo wtf is this haircut? Did you go to superclips or something?
>>18676145>diffuse thinninga type of male pattern baldness in which hair is lost from the entire crown instead of the hairline receding. It is harder to notice and doesn't look like typical balding.>scalp scarringthe point of no return, when hair pores scar over and cannot be restored no matter what. Its what creates the shiny scalp effect, pic related. This happens to all MPB sufferers in time, so what I'm saying is you should make sure it isn't that before you reach this point. A single dermatologist appointment would be enough to confirm or deny it, and also probably to get effective treatments for either.I am only stressing this because I have talked to multiple people who swore it was stress or disease that made them lose hair, instead of MPB. I was one of those people, even. It is such an insidious cope because you think you are fixing the problem even as DHT fries your follicles from the inside, completely ignoring your treatments for a condition that is not the root cause of your hairloss. Consider that 50% of males will experience male pattern baldness. Really, think on it. What are the odds you have some rare condition causing it, versus losing the genetic coin flip? I'm not saying its not the case, but you should really get checked.
>>18676144I'd say every time I visibly lose a hair and see it on my desk or bath tub it's 100% randomized. I can pull out the equal amount of hair on all parts of my head. HOWEVER, my hair looks least dense on the classic balding spots. Crown and front. But that makes sense, these have always been the thinnest spots that felt rather flat ever since I was a kid. I don't think that means it's MPB. Btw, I can also pull out eye brows and it feels exactly like on the scalp.
>>18676153I booked an appointment at a private derm office. The public Derms in Goymany don't actually look at your scalp in detail, they will just send you home with a Nizoral advertising flyer if you mention the 'flakes' or 'itchings'.
>>18674505Polite reminder that that guy has a wife and kids now.
>>18676156The ability to pull out hairs is not necessarily related to a physical ailment. Anybody can technically do it. Are you able to do so with very little force or does it require you actually pull on them to where you can feel a pinching sensation? All that being said the fact that you have worse density on classic DHT susceptible areas of the scalp means you very likely have MPB in conjunction with a chronic illness. The worst of both worlds if you hair pulling is not a mental illness.
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>>18676173I'll report back in two weeks. Pray for me
>>18676191No need just start treating it properly ASAP. The main culprit is MPB all of the other factors just accelerate it at the very worst.
>>18670742i shave like once a month maybejust rock the horseshoeno one cares
>>1867606210% extra scalp DHT suppression on 0.5mg of Dutasteride compared to 1mg daily Finasteride. Which doesn’t sound like much but even Finasteride’s 35-40% scalp DHT suppression is enough to stop the progression of genetic hairloss in >90% of men. Dutasteride’s suppression is dose dependent which means you can go all the way up to 2.5mg daily for 80% scalp DHT suppression. Finasteride is the opposite, even a modest amount like 0.2mg has significant DHT suppression but 5mg (Proscar dose) does not suppress DHT more than the standard 1mg. So, Dutasteride is more potent and can lead to more hairs recovering than Finasteride, but Finasteride is generally the first option and most doctors only prescribe it. Dutasteride also works on the type 1 5AR enzyme and that can lead to less oily skin in (some) people.
>bald people can’t look attractive>you gotta chemically castrate your self with finUh oh finasteride bros I don’t feel so good.
My hair loss rapidly accelerated when I started listening to Smashing Pumpkins a lot.
Anybody had success getting fin + min online through Walgreens? My dermatologist is an annoying foid piece of shit>1 hour drive>wants me to come in every 3 months otherwise she won't renew my prescriptions, and I get charged $80 every follow up>tried amazon online pharmacy>they told me they don't do minoxidil long term through telehealth, only finasterideWalgreens is my next cope. I don't want to have to see some stupid doctor every few months for some dirt cheap meds that I'm going to have to take for the rest of my life.
can you take min and fin every other day? I need to save money
>>18676427Well with finasteride it depends on the dose but in general yes. If you take finasteride three times a week for example or half the dose and just take every day with a lower dose it will still function unless you are losing hair at a very aggressive pace. With minoxidil it is recommended to keep using it each day, you can skip a day every now and then but in general better to keep using it daily.
>>18676427Both are dirt cheap generics, you're borderline in poverty if you have to save what is $20 per month at most, get out of it asap instead of saving pennies.
>>18676423Go to turkey and buy a lot of fin no joke you don't need a prescription there.
>>18676427Don’t buy Propecia and Loniten
>>18676423Just get it on Hims, it's like $200 for a 5 month supply of topical fin + min
>>18676546dude with a prescription oral min + fin is $5 a monththe problem is these cocksucking dermas want follow ups every few months to keep the prescription active
>>186765463 months of fin is like 20 dollars is the Kroger pharmacy. You’re paying 200 for some compounded bullshit.
Dr.B doesn't even ask for pics of my head anymore, getting an email auto-approving my refill in seconds after paying $15 basically.
should I bother with finasteride and minoxidil or just cut it short when it gets too bad? I don't really want to deal with the side effects, and with finasteride I also won't be allowed to donate blood anymore. I'm 26.
>>18676923You should at the very least see what you look like with a completely shaved and waxed slick bald head before you make a choice like that.
How do I know if my hair is growing or miniaturizing? My hair is thick at the shaft but thin at the top, like a needle.
>>18677158>are you blocking DHT?growing>not blocking DHTminiturizingsimple as
>>186771830.5mg Dut/day + 2x2.5mg oral min/day Wouldn’t miniaturization affect the whole hair stem rather than just the tip?
>>18677187you're regrowing hair from follicles that recently went though a shed, hair shafts taper off to a needle point when they just started growing, you're fine, you said so yourself that they're thicker at the shaft.It's when you see hair that is growing thinner shafts to the point of being nearly invisible that you should worry.
>>18677187Hairs growing thicker from the shaft means that miniaturization is reversing in your case
I took my first oral fin today. I have been umming and ahhing for almost 3 years. I just want to know if I can tolerate it or not. I'm almost hoping I don't so I can stop worrying about my hair and accept my fate.
>>18677220Nocebo is real, if you think you’ll get sides, you will. Especially because it takes 3 months to even tell if the drug is working.
>>18677158>>18677183>>18677187>>18677189>>18677191i thought hair had to fall out first to grow back thicker
>>18677409Not always but usually. It has to do with what phase of the cycle those hairs were in. You will probably shed at least once during the first year.
>>18677548What are some signs that it is shedding related to new growth because of the medication working rather than just further loss. It seems concerning to me because I just started topical fin a week ago, but i feel fine and noticed shedding stopped when i started taking fin. But the reason i decided to hop on topical fin min ( i was already on min before) was because i started to noticed more shedding in the shower. You seem to be pretty knowledgeable too thats why i wanted to give you more context.
>>18677599Fin will force a shed about 2-3 months in as the body acclimates to the new DHT inhibited environment, oral min forces another shed about 2-3 weeks into use because it's stimulating hair growth.Just remember that it always grows back and you don't have to count hairs anymore like when you were losing hair.
>>18677220Just stop worrying now and trust that everything will work out in your favor. Like the other anon was saying, you don't want to create a self fulfilling prophecy, negative thoughts are more influential in physical reality than ppl realize.
>>18677599Its always related to new growth when on meds. Its not possible for your hair loss to accelerate on fin/min besides very rare autoimmune conditions which are incredibly rare for an otherwise moderately healthy person. Not everyone sheds it depends on the extent of damage to your follicles but on average you should experience multiple shedding phases with increased regrowth and decreased shed frequency each phase. Good luck fuck with your dose or drop it completely if/when you notice shedding.
>>18677615Don't fuck with*
about to enter 11th month of treatmentI've been looking into pyrilutamide, once I finish this career hopping drama and tax returns hit in May I'll probably do a cycle
>>18677645>pyrilutamideyou'd grow back your temples in a few months with oral min
>>18677665I get really bad water retention/puffiness from oral min and it doesn't go away with time
>>18677645Wish I was born with a hairline like that
>>18677722...what kinda hairline were you born with? NW3?
>>18677722No you weren't.I thought the same too but then I actually saw pictures of younger me and I had a giant forehead but Norwood 1.I actually went down to NW2 at like 14 and then receding resumed at 17.
>cocksucking foid derma refuses to refill my prescriptions unless I show up in person for a follow up>hit up amazon health AI and send them pictures of my hairline>get a 90 day supply of fin the next day for $18BEZOS MY GOAT
>>18678441Telehealth truly is the future. Too many doctors are already old rich fucks who will never understand the hair loss struggle.
>>18678441>>18678442Funny, my derm prescribed fin and then bumped me up to dut just by me mentioning it. But he’s a guy in his 70s with no hair loss so I guess there’s no ego in it for him lmao.
>>18678508my doctor is slick bald in his 40s or 50s and has prescribed me fin, oral minoxidil, and then dut
We're all gonna make it bros
>>18678526
Ever since I’ve started taking Avodart my hair has become thicker, stopped falling out and even my hairline is growing slowly back but I’ve become extremely apathetic and slightly depressed. Should I get some meds against it or what can I do?
>>18678686I mean…I don’t know what to tell you, but if you stop Avodart and lose ground, do you really think you’d feel better?
>it's normal to shed up to 100 hairs per dayTrue or an elaborate coping scheme? How many hairs you find when you shower?
>>18678692I don't think that's normal. I'll only see like 4 or 5 if any
>>18678699>I'll only see like 4 or 5 if anyand 95 other hairs are already in the drain
>>18678691yeah. people won't tell you this part but taking these meds usually means stacking with more meds, whether it's for depression or erectile dysfunction or both.
>>18678441I'm Canadian so if you want to see a Derma you have to wake up at 5 in the morning otherwise you're looking at 2-3 hour wait time with a literal line of people wrapping around each Derma's building Dermatologists shortage in Canada is severe
>>18678760Not remotely true
>>18678778depression from hair loss is a real thingthe dumb thing is that they don't drop the depression meds after saving their hair
>>18678781That's not what you were alluding to. Have you even taken fin, why do you have an opinion?
>>18678777Same here in Germany. Thankfully my derm is a 29 yo woman who prescribes me anything I want as long as I bring the packaging with me as proof.
>>18678801basedyou should fingerblast her as a compensatory gesture
