Let's say you're 30, and you ask plastic surgeons to recreate your 18 year old face. Assuming you had mostly unlimited money, would this actually be possible? Or at least enough to fool the average eye you're much younger?
>>18675951There is such a thing as aging gracefully.
>>18675963You can also age gracefully after you do the 10yr reset
no, because it's the soft tissues of your face that will change the most between 18 and 30. If you look old at 30 it's because you have sun damage or are fat.
>>18675970>it's the soft tissues that will changeSo what if you just take estrogen?
>>18675974that can make you look younger by improving your skin, but it won't do a lot to reverse sun damage and it'll make you grow boobs. You don't want to take estrogen.
>>18675975estrogen will (hopefully) restore some of the fat under your skin so it gets its youthful plumpness back. From what ive read tretinoin can actually melt away the fat in your face, leaving you with a smooth but old looking face. A youthful face has far more to do with the fat structures under it than just surface level smoothness. Plebs will continue parroting the usual tret line tho
>>18675980regardless, you're not going to actually chemically castrate yourself for looking a bit
>>18675970I doubt it
>>18675951Maybe this is just cope being typed by my withering unc hands. But, you don't have to look 18 to look good. Youth being synonymous with beauty, there's truth in that. But, overstated. (I think beauty is synonymous with health, and there's obviously a lot of overlap between health and youth). Like, people think the ultimate compliment is: 'oh wow, you're X years old, I thought you were (several years younger) old'. But, nah. It's OK to be a good-looking 30 year old, but still look unmistakably 30 too. Or older even.
>>18675993I mean your skin is never going to be tighter around your bones, plumper, bones sharper, face narrower, lips fuller, eyes wider, hair thicker and colorful, teeth enamel thicker and whiter than it is when you're 18-21. In fact everything stops progressing and growing and starts breaking down starting at 25. so logically no, I dont think a case can be made that you look better later. it's just that most people are fat slacker sleep deprived shits at 18, so sure they feel they "improve" later. But an 18 in top condition will always be better than anything laterThe boomer lie that keeps the wheels of our system turning however is that life is "endless development", because we need to trick the youth into studying for degrees and aspiring for these life long careers (wageslavery). If the broad social message was that every aspect and experience of life peaks at 21-24 and that life is actually decay and not development from there, young people would likely drastically change their plans.So of course along with this has been all sorts of messaging over the last century that "middle aged men are handsome" and that you should look forward to it, but yet it doesnt pan out in actual life when you step outside. If 40 yr old Tom Selleck rolls up to a group of college girls is he getting any action? No he's called an old creep. They're swarming the 6'5, 20 year old, amazing faced trust fund kid. And when ages out they'll move to the next one
>>18675998But you can't be the 6'5, 20 year old, amazing faced trust fund kid either. That's just not an option you get to choose. And, yeh. I might've had THICC tooth enamel. You're right. But that didn't help me get babes at 18. I looked like shit at 18. Skinny-fat, patchy peach fuzz, acne. I didn't peak during 18-21. You're falling for the zoomer doomer lie that there's a steep decline after like 25. Because there's honestly not. It's OK, if you try.
>>18676000>You're falling for the zoomer doomer lie that there's a steep decline after like 25. Because there's honestly not. It's OK, if you try.Try with who tho? 22 is when the first people start pairing off and settling into their bubbles. By 30 people are most definitely closing off themselves to any outer contact, and spending the next 60 years entertaining the ones close to them. It's about the pool that's even available for you to engage with if you finally "glow up" at 37 or whatever. You can hang around 20 somethings and be called weird, or hang around still untethered childless 30/40+s who are just getting uglier by the day. And then you all look at each other and realize what are we even doing still pretending to be young. Your vision sounds nice in your mind because the boombooms sufficently brainwashed you that at 75 you'll finally be able to buy the partyboat...
>>18676003I get the point you think you're making, that I've deluded myself. But, no u. The way you're describing how the world is, it's just really not that way. I think you're naive, I don't think you've had enough experience to speak so declaratively.
>>18675987Just bank your sperm retard. Legacy will do it for sub-4000 dollars with a 25 year guarantee. I only shill them specifically because every other service costs 3 times as much and doesn't offer a lifetime prepaid option.
>>18675951Stopped reading after the first full stop. Kill yourself you fucking retard.
>>18675951jokes on you, i'm 31 and have 95% of the same face as 18if you look different you fucked up and should kys
>>1867660890% of "aging well" is just not getting fatYou not only look worse because "le fat" but you're skin's not going to be as pliable and will sag more and faster
>>18676608me btw
>>18675963Not for brainwashed and obsessed people like OP, who seems to already have decided he's too "old" looking and must fix that now that he's an elderly THIRTY years old. Haha!What I wouldn't give to be 30 again. Even if someone would give me free cosmetic surgery to look younger I would not take it. Ever.That's for insecure actresses.LEARN TO SWIM.
>>18676003That is bullshit. I'm in my forties and pick up new friends all the time. No one "closes off" to people at any certain age.You people spend far too much time online to believe all that shit. I hate this place. You read bullshit terms like "pair bonding" and you believe it.>Aw, I missed my window. Youth is gone now that I'm almost THIRTY. I'll need to go under the knife or I'll never have friends or sex!!Come on now, guys. You must know the world is not like this. Go outside.
>>18675951At that stage you probably lost some of your hairline + facial fat + collagen and elastin. So you would get a hair transplant, facial fat transfer, and start using tretinoin every night combined with multiple chemical peels/microneedling sessions per year to induce collagen. And Botox/Daxify would help with dynamic wrinkles.
>>18675951It's never going to look right. I'd rather look old than weird.
>>18676712Ok so why not be 20 at 30 and 30 at 40? Why are you forcing me to be on your timeline? Is science/life not allowed to progress?
>>18676822I'm not forcing anything. Nature is. You will not be 30 at 40. Even if you could afford to go under the knife to attempt it. People who do that have something wrong with their brains, not their faces.
Yes, and I’ve been doing exactly that. I went from mid 30s to mid 20s and I’m saving up for more. Also, hair makes a difference.
>>18675993Youth does make a massive difference, though. Looking like an 18 year old means you can attract prime pussy around that age. The only girls who like older men are gold diggers wanting a sugar daddy.Also, if you look young, you can dress young and fun. Nobody wants to have to be menswear 24/7 and look like a crusty old dad.
>>18676851You must have terrible self esteem to have done that. You have to fix your mind. You'll never be happy with having your face reshuffled. And you'll never be able to stop. The fact that you're already going back for more means you are totally beyond help.
>>18676855Fixing my mind? My mind is fine. I’m not going to delude myself like a Buddhist. I’m going “back in time” for a do-over so I can be happy. Hell, I may even lie about my age too.
>>18676851You showed the surgeon an old pic of you and said remake this? You got a facelift? What have you taken for skin quality? And how do you know people are genuinely clocking you for mid 20s?
>>18676889Imagine asking a troll 4 questions in a row
>>18676889I didn’t show a surgeon an old picture. I just went in for a consultation and said what I’d like to improve.>>18676893absolute retard
>>18675951All the famous rich people who get surgery to look younger end up looking like bogged abominations and they've got enough money to pay for the best plastic surgeons.
>>18676003Those are all just beliefs systems you tell yourself when in reality nothing as complicated as human interactions/dynamics are ever going to be that black or white. If you tell yourself that at 30 everyone closes themselves off then you won't even try to make connections and you'll just end up creating a self fulfilling prophecy without even being consciously aware that is what your brain is doing.
>>18676717>Come on now, guys. You must know the world is not like this.That's the thing, they don't know that. It's called autistic black or white thinking. Their entire world view is essentially constructed by what they see and read online, studies, random posts, etc. I would know because I used to be like that. Then I took your advice and went outside and started operating from an observer perspective rather than purely trying to be predictive. There needs to be a balance between the two sometimes in my opinion.
>>18676854You say the purpose of life is to crush 18-year-old puss. And honestly. Hell yes, brother. But, also. More honestly. There are attractive women who are 25 or 30 or 40. Or older even. Eternally chasing 18-year-olds isn't an option. Unless you buy an island. And you can't really look 18 when you're thirties anyway, so it's just a dumb hypothetical. Rubbing a magic lamp, would be the only way. Cosmetic surgery won't make you look 18, it'll make you look weird and a bit gay. So, pointless to even consider it as an option. I'm 35. Like a month ago, I met a 23-year-old at a pub and we went back to her place. A couple weeks ago, I met a woman in her forties at a pub and went back to her place. Last weekend I met two women in their fifties went back to one of their houses with them both. Didn't even have sex, I probably fumbled that potential middle-aged lady threesome because they were flashing their titties for a bit. But we did LSD together. Just a wild, weird night was was fun. And I'm just talking about my recent experiences. Within the last month. I've flirted and danced with several attractive women in their 20s. Had good times. Sincerely, you can keep having fun as an unc. There isn't a hard cut-off at 22. That's nonsense. That said, looks are obviously important. Be fit. Try to improve, try to maintain. But, I disagree completely dressing young. I like going out in a nice slim-fit polo. And not chasing some retarded baggy trend like the kids are wearing. I'm glad I'm old enough to opt out, I don't want to. And I'll say this, more than just looking young. Having that joie de vivre is so important, exuding a youthful energy. Not in a pathetic, childish way. But being energetic and fun loving. It's probably not important than LOOKING young, but it helps a lot. And it's something you can easily just do, without a doctor cutting your face up.
>>18676822>Why are you forcing me to be on your timeline?
>>18676993Bro write more, I like this. I only rarely have that joie de vivre come out in me, and on those nights I am playful, witty, and constantly make people laugh, but 95% of the time I feel like that part stays tucked away in some inaccessible part of me… what do?
>>18677230Have you tried drinking?
>>18676859No one believes it. You look ridiculous. You PAID to look ridiculous. You'll only grow to regret it more every year as you age strangely and it becomes even more apparent how vain you were way back when you started getting all cut up to recapture something you cannot recapture. Keep deluding yourself though. Psychologically you have no other recourse. If you were to realize what you've really done you'd fall into a pit of despair. Forever you'll convince yourself it's working and you didn't make a huge mistake. Even IF you somehow manage to pull different women, you know you're pulling the wrong kind. The shallow type. I guess that's you though, so maybe it'd be a real match. You could be shunned by society as a pair instead of individually. lolYour mind is FUCKED, brother. Everyone knows it. Even the surgeon knows it. But it's his job. I pity you.
>>18676993You have manic depression, anon.
>>18677259You sound fat
>>18677314Nice projection. You do all of your thinking through the lens of physical appearance. You're so fucking transparently superficial. Condolences.
>>18675963That wasn't OP's question. Why do smug midwits feel the need to chime in with the most trite, obvious non sequitur bullshit like it's some profound idea that went totally unconsidered prior to their suggestion? Shut the fuck up, retard.
>>18677328>He says while posting on a fashion board
>>18677332Yes.
>>18677331If what they said is such a trite, obvious truism. Then why be upset by it? They're right and you agree. But really, the point they're getting at is that OP is asking that question from an entirely flawed premise. And rejecting the premise of the question. Because, no. You can't turn eighteen again. Even rich people buying the best doctors get bogged trying. Aging is just a reality you have to accept. You'll go crazy trying to fight it. It's impossible. And OP's other flawed premise is that there's this big, wide gap between an average eighteen year old and an average thirty year old. In terms of like, going out and having a fun night, making friends, pulling chicks. Because there really isn't, it's not a wide gap at all. It's not all over at twenty five. And anybody who just leaves the house on a saturday night knows that. It's just dumb thinking to believe that looking 18 is a solution. The 'solution' to being 30 is just putting effort in where you realistically can, have a good body, wear good clothes, have a good personality. Imagining some make-believe solution where you maically look 18 again is just pointless to even consider.
>>18677349This.
>>18677331No offense, but you are a total moron if you think the comment is a non sequitur.
>>18677349>You can't turn eighteen again. Even rich people buying the best doctors get bogged trying.I mean you can tho, if you're in your early 30s i'd say. Or at least 20, and just say you're a hard 18. It'll take multiple procedures and chemicles or wtv, but even if you cant turn into your previous 18, you can turn into a general one
>>18677360I've just been looking at heaps of before/afters of different male cosmetic procedures. Because I disagreed with you. So I was looking for evidence. And, I concede. Hair implants, or even just toupees, make a big difference. They can make a 30-year-old man look several years younger. But, I think like pretty much every other procedure, I don't see 30-year-old men looking younger. The examples I see are usually men getting their ears pinned back or nose jobs or jaw implants. And they often look better, but they don't look younger. And even botoxing wrinkles and creases, I don't really think they look younger. They look about the same age, just slightly weirder. Truly. What specific procedures are you talking about that will make a 30-year-old look 18? The only before/afters I saw that made the biggest difference were men in their ~50+s. Who had their turkey neck/double-chins/jowls facelifted away. Some of them looked decades younger. But, for a 30-year-old man who already looks OK and is fit. I just don't think their face has been visibly damaged enough by aging yet to fix like that. And that you could fuck your face up and make it worse by even trying.
>>18677379The forehead and brow bone projects forward and grows with age, so you would have to go to korea to shave it down to what it was with your 18 year old self, using previous pictures for reference. Maybe get a hairline reduction surgery and cover up the scars with transplanted hairs. You skin will have thinned most likely so you will need to probably take estrogen or bicalutamide to plump the skin under back up, smooth out wrinkles, and get eslatin production going again. Perhaps eyebrow darkening or a transplant. The eye area very may well have hollowed out, so prf injections under and around the eye, as well as fat grafting on the nose bridge next to the eye. And if the nasolabial folds and under eye area have sagged enough, a facelift, mini or otherwise may be required. The nose also may have grown larger so rhino shaving that off as well? I figure this should barely pass you as an older looking 18, and should smooth out once you get into 20sI mean pic related is 19. You dont think a 30 year old could pass as that with some work?
>>18677383OK, fine. This'll work.
I don't know if I would want to put in significant effort into this only to have time catch up with me later. I am almost 40 and looked the same since basically 17, I already know it will feel awful to start looking old soon, I can't imagine how bad it will be if I put in a lot of effort and still eventually looked old.
>>18677383You cannot regain your youth. Embrace your age. That doesn't mean you have to act tired and old.
>>18677431Well obviously it's 2026 you cant get eternal youth. But you can potentially buy 10-15 extra years with advancements we currently have. Why not do that?>I am almost 40 and looked the same since basically 17Also prove it post a pic of you at 17 and you now side by side, genuinely curious. /how hae you specifically used your extended youthful appearance?
>>18677468I don't have a youthful appearance per se, I looked older than my age at 17-25. I just look late 20s since forever. Looking a bit less aged than people in your age group doesn't get you much.
>>18677480When you were like 30/31 would you say you passed for under 20?
>>18677468>buy 10-15 extra years with advancements we currently have. Why not do that?How many tens of thousands of dollars would it cost? That's a great reason not to. That money was earned through selling how many hours of your labour. Is that trade-off worth it. And, what are the odds you come out of surgery and just look different, not even younger? What are the odds of medical complication and health risk? And, even if that's all good. You get '10-15 extra years' of what? Chasing 18-year-old girls? That's literally the only answer I've seen in this thread. But, how are you even going to do that, even if you do look 18? Because when I was 18. And I looked 18. I didn't do very well with them. So, it's not like looking 18 grants much pussy necessarily. You still need that seductive charm. And, if you already have that as a 30-year-old. Why not just use it? And simply seduce women who's like early/mid-20s? Is settling for banging a woman in her early/mid-20s really so hellishly bad that you NEED plastic surgery to try and look 18 again? If you really think that, your problems are so much deeper than a plastic surgeon can fix. You'd need a brain one. But, forget that. All good. You got the surgery. You look 18 again. Now what? All your friends are in their thirties. How are you going to meet these 18-year-old babes? Logistically. No social group. So, you're cold-approaching in apps and nightclubs? And when they ask: 'how old are you?' you just lie. And when they ask: 'where'd you go to school?' you just lie. And you just lie to every question she asks that would potentially give away that you're not really 18. So, you're pretty much a new identity now. You're Don Draper-maxxing. But, I think the question is. If you're so dishonest and immoral to do that. And build fake relationships like that. Why not just save the cash on surgery and just buy 18-year-old prostitutes? If that's the whole goal anyway, you'd probably be way more successful just paying for puss.
>>18677331I hate when I google random question and it gives me bunch of r*ddit threads where they just comment irrelevant bullshit that doesn't answer anything.
Why are some people so desperate to recapture their youth? I believe that showing your age is far more attractive and respectable than trying to pretend you're someone that you're not. There is such a thing as ageing gracefully. Fighting against the passage of time will only leave you scarred.
>>18675993HOLY MOTHER OF TRVKE!
>>18678039For younger pussy. Only older women find matured and distinguished older men attractive. Younger women don’t really like the Sean Connery, Pierce Brosnan, or George Clooney look. They like TikTok prettyboys, not sandalwood dads.
>>18678028>Why not just save the cash on surgery and just buy 18-year-old prostitutes?Because it's not about crushing 18-year-old puss, it's about knowing that you can "organically" attract 18-year-old puss, which looksmaxxers believe will finally give them a sense of self-worth and fill their inner void (it won't).
>>18678091They are not wrong. My self-worth is tied to that, at least a bit. If I'm flirting with a woman and make her giggle. Like, look in her eyes and sees she's sincerely have a good time talking to me. I can ride high on that memory for like a month. More. Let alone successfully pulling a chick or having a nice relationship. These undoubtedly positively fuel your self-esteem. And not having them will make you feel bad. But, needing a tight-bodied eighteen-year-old babe and ONLY a tight-bodied eighteen-year-old babe. And feeling totally unfulfilled without. Feeling that life is worthless if you look like you're older than 25. I don't know how these retarded ideas could get into somebody's head. Just silly. Truly. Lookmaxxing isn't even wrong. Absolutely agree, maximise your looks. Within reason. And full-blown face-altering plastic surgery is obviously beyond reason. And you're right to put organically in scare quotes because if you have a new facade of a face and lie to every girl always. It's not organic. It's barely even YOU at that point anyway. Just pay. Lookmaxxing to fill the void isn't even that bad I think. You're working out. Building a nice bod through effort, consistency and discipline. You're going out. Having social interaction. Meeting people. Making friends. Banging. These are good things. They might fill the void better than you think.
>>18676712Don't listen to this idiot, if yopu start antiaging at 18 you are starting WAY TOO LATE
>>18675951you can't look 18 again, but there is a procedure that can turn back the clock 10-15 years when you hit your late 40s early 50s (which i probably won't be able to afford when i get there)
>>18678372There’s something that I noticed is that if you can make a teenage girl look at you and blush, you can make any other woman of any race do the same.Fags on this board have no idea how much it feels good when a cute young blonde girl approaches you and says “Um, my friend thinks you’re hot.” That’s what winning feels like.
The amount of coping subhumans, idiotic opinions, false statements and logical fallacies in this board is ridiculous. This board and website in general is awful compared to actual looksmaxxing sites. I've never seen a bigger crab in the bucket mentality than in this repugnant board. Worst board in 4chan by far with the worst user base in the entire 18 years I've been on the internet.
>>18675963Aging gracefully comes down to being handsome in the first place and keeping your hair/avoiding sun damage. That’s it. This guy is 46.
>>18678675But he still has that “matured” look like a dad. He’d never pass as a pop idol.
>>18678701So? Still hot and fuckable to 99% of women young and old. And he looks rich.
>>18678704I bet he couldn’t get a girl under at least 26 without having to flaunt wealth to a gold-digger. He’s not ugly, but he’s not the ideal for anything younger.
>>18678624>there is a procedure that can turn back the clock 10-15 years when you hit your late 40s early 50sWhat's it called?
>>18678894facelift I'd assume
