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>>18682504
>niggas on the internet really do all this just to get mogged by boots that you just put on and wear outside

>>18682730
you don't understand, he has an internet reputation to uphold!

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I heard you guys love high quality, handmade, and hand welted boots

>>18682743
buy an ad

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>but but but white's are the best bootmakers in the US...

>>18682746
>cork
not a real boot

>>18682730
requires going outside

>>18682771
shelf deemed acceptable

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>but but but showing wear and patina is ugly

>>18682792
Nobody said that

>>18682792
>normal wear on casual boots from someone who doesn't abuse their shit
thunderdome cucks could never.

>>18682870
you mean you dont walk through bushes at night?

>>18682792
peak reddit

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>>18682792
gotta love how almost none of the boots patinaproject and thunderdome post to their social media have won anything, but they still use them for marketing and promotion
why don't they use the grimy and fake boots that actually got the prizes instead?

>>18682792
Those aged beautifully. And yes, I know saying "aged" for a pair of boots that have been worn for six months is an exaggeration.

>>18683195
Man, sanding not only looks super obvious, it's also cringe as fuck. Nothing in the patina thinderdome makes sense.

>>18683195
>that beat up with no sole wear
lmao
I dont even get why they do this. its like fake brake calipers. boot guys can spot it from a mile away and normalfags think you got it at jcpenny like that

>>18683195
the most hilarious thing to me about the thunderdome and all that is that natural wear looks better. if you just wear your boots and do stuff in them, they will look great after a while. no need to sand them, or scrape your feet against curbs or "walk through bushes at night" kicking your feet together or whatever retardation these bugmen do. just wear them

knowing that the thunderdome is a collaboration of brands designed to increase sales ruins the entire thing. you MUST buy a brand new pair of boots for it, you MUST destroy your new pair of boots, and after you MUST get a new replacement pair since you ruined yours. they're laughing all the way to the bank while retards ruin their expensive boots to show off to other retards

I've had a pair of Clark's Desert Boots for years. They were like $140. I love them so I went to get another pair and saw the Bushacre 2.0's for like under 1/2rd of the price. I got a pair and compared them, outside of the sole I cannot see what is different about them. Is there a difference I am not noticing? What is up with this?

>>18683486
Guess what, retard? When you resole your boots you get >le beat up with no sole wear

>>18683621
Bushacre 2 is called the Desert Boot Evo. Not sure if it's dependant on the market or if they're phased out the name or what.
Anyway, I own both and the Evo (what my model is called) has a better last. Slightly more refined looking. The sole is hard rubber and not crepe, that's the biggest difference. Last and sole. Sizing IS the same which I found out the hard way listening to the advice of retards on the internet saying to size down on the Original.

>>18683626
Settle down, Dale. Go kick your feet together while you bump into curbs at 3am some more

>>18683632
schizo post

>>18683631
>The sole is hard rubber and not crepe
This is really the only difference I could see. I prefer the rubber sole because the crepe one picks up all sorts of shit nonstop and it doesn't have good grip on wet, smooth surfaces. The price difference is such that I thought there would be a bigger difference.
As for the name I'm from the US, this is what they were listed as at Macy's, but looking at the Clark's website it is the Evo, weird that they have two names.
Thanks.

the longer i've been into boots and nice footwear, the more i hate the look of cap toes. only think i like them on now is oxfords
but on derbies or boots, they look dumb. reminds me of a circumcised penis
plain toe all the way

Anyone tried those silicone heel protectors off Amazon? How well do they work for you? Fuck I should've waited and spent 3-4x more to get some Rolling Dub Trio or John Lofgren boots instead of these Blundstone 585s I got. I was in a store to get a jacket but decided to try on some boots while I was at it and they didn't chafe my right heel.
Well, nothing I can do about it now since the RDT Stan in size 9 just got sold out and I need to wait until August for the Lofgren Chelseas to be restocked.

>>18683724
you don't break you shoes into your feet. you break your feet into your shoes

>>18683724
>bro I should have spent gorillionth retardollars for le ebin japacopy of what americans do bro

>>18683626
>cobbler didnt unfuck the edges for fun
struck dog

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Not boot but no boot thread here

Is this /fa/ approved?

Sorry I’m a polfag

https://www.birkenstock.com/ca/naples-wrapped-suede-leather/napleswrapped-suede-suedeleather-272912-evarubber-u_11795.html?gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=19341028965&gbraid=0AAAAACqIRBIgZDBbln3iDeGzJkGSsbFsF&gclid=CjwKCAjwhe3OBhABEiwA6392zNRH7yw19UVZRsg7lr5v2m0lff2NPxq-DVNxlwxbe5VPmAsNeYkrtRoCSnoQAvD_BwE

>>18683847
I have some of their Bostons and enjoy them as a casual shoe I like to wear around the house or whatever, and I know lots of people that swear by their Arizona sandles
But those ones you posted are basically 200 slippers. I can't imagine they are worth that price

>>18683718
>the longer i've been into boots and nice footwear, the more i hate the look of cap toes
same

>>18683718
>>18683910
they’re definitely reddit

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>>18683991
the cap toes on these look so bad

I went to the Carmina store in Madrid with my girlfriend, neither of the two people working the floor said a word to us even though the whole shop was empty. We looked at a few pairs of boots and shoes and left without trying anything on.
This is probably just the Spanish way, but you´d think a salesman would try to sell you something.

>>18684211

>you´d think a salesman would try to sell you something.

"Salesman" is a title, not an outlook. I work a retail shift every so often and work to inform customers, not sell them things.

It might be cultural, but it seems like you didn't want to buy anything, or else you would have engaged. They could have made the effort, but you could have, too.

Why would you want someone to sell you something you don't want?

>>18684211
They weren't "salesmen" they were "sales associates" aka wagies. They're just there to grab your size from the back and check you out at the register. They don't care about anything but their paychecks

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Got rid of nigsneakers after I turned 26 and starting to fill up real boots and shoes. 6 spots (already got beaters and my tradie work boots outside)

What can I fill the other 4 spots with.
I’m autistic with organization so 4 spots for one shoe for each season (Jim green for fall) (red wing spring) so that leaves summer and winter(snows here) and an Oxford and who knows what for the sixth spot
. Need help

>>18684239
White's MP

>>18684211
You did the right thing since their boots are shit

>>18684239
kys my dude

>>18684243
What’s MP?
>>18684248
Meet me irl faggot

>>18684239
Plain toe derbies as a casual alternative to sneakers but not a boot.
Oxfords if you have a reason to own them, skip if you don't. I find myself wearing them to weddings quite frequently
Ranger Mocs/boat shoes. I really like my Rancourts
Desert boots for an unlined summer option when lace up ankle boots are too hot
Cowboy boots because they're based as fuck and look cool
Loafers as a great option when you want something that doesn't have laces and can bridge the gap between formal and casual

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>>18684249
White's are right

https://whitesboots.com/products/mp-sherman-toe-cap-half-lug

>>18684239
"checking all the boxes" is the bad way to build a collection and you already started out by getting 2 boots that are quite samey

>>18678517
>So RM Williams no longer does leather insoles?
They do, but only on 2 basic ass models in their standard line and in all of the "signature line" which are incredibly poor value.
It's retarded. The "poron comfort sole" is SHIT. If you really must by rmw get the basic leather in/outsole craftsman model and stick a topy on it or something. Everyone wants fucking cushions on their feet, but instead of wearing sneakers they're conned into the "comfort craftsman", which unfortunately is the defaul craftsman now.
If they ever bring back the blaxland model (synthetic outer, leather inner) then that would be the one to go for if you want longevity.
Until such a day you've got a choice of the most boring fucking brown or black craftsman as everything else has that dogshit synthetic inner construction.

Bootfags:
I've been using an old bottle of lexol conditioner from years back. I saw briefly that apparently lexol is shit now (?), and that I'm better off switching to something else when this bottle finally runs out.
I liked lexol as it didn't darken the leather at all, and apparently all it did was condition and nothing more, no polish, no clean, nothing, which is all I wanted.
What's the thing to use now? Or do I just go back to VSC or saphir renovateur? I think my vsc has congealed in the bottle. I wonder if it's still safe.
To be used on: calf, goat, kudu.

Also, is VSC still the go to thing for shell?
Thank you.

>>18684291
Really unfortunate to see a prestigious brand like that go the way of the toilet the same as so many other formerly great brands
Especial since RM Williams is one of the definitive made in Australia products. Does Australia even manufacture anything else?

>>18684297
I have been using VSC for years and never once had any problems with it at all. Zero complaints

>Chippewa
>Frye
What happened to these brands? James Dean supposedly wore Chippewa in Rebel Without a Cause and Marlon Brand supposedly wore Frye in The Wild One (though I've heard sources say it was Wesco)
Red Wing and the PNW makers are pretty much all that's left

>>18684302
When I was last in oz a few years ago I wandered into a store of theirs and the wagie, a younger guy, was delighted at the change in ownership and was positive on the outlook. Maybe the new guy, some mining magnate, blew smoke up all the bright eyed and bushy tailed arses or something at the start. It's been nearly 3 years and I haven't seen any substantial changes in quality. If anything the choices have become more limited than even under lvmh.
Give it a few years; maybe it'll improve. I would say that if they ever get to the point where they offer the customisation service again then that would be the point that I buy them again.

>Does Australia even manufacture anything else?
Very little. It's why the place ultmately has no future. If you're talking footwear, then if you want totally made in australia:
>redback
>mongrel
which have a sorta adidas/puma style familial feud backstory apparently. Not welted, but they're ok for fucking around and great for international travel ime. The Mongrel K9 line are less workbooty and try to look more dressy. Other brands like Harold, who I thought had died years ago, are partially made in australia or mostly made in vietnam or china and finished or something in aus.
RMW is the only "quality" footwear brand mass producing their product totally withing australia.'I saw something about a tiny tasmanian bookmaker but I can't confirm that shit.

>>18684297
i went back to reno after i ran out of lexol, it definitely shines a lot more but it just works

>>18684308
chippewa died when they couldn't compete with the iron rangers
frye is a mall brand now

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anyone have any experience with snakeskin boots? who makes some good quality boots?

>>18684297
if you want no wax and as little color change as possible for calf, goat, kudu probably saphir nappa
boot black rich moisture and saphir lotion are also good

I got some boat shoes one size too small, can't return them as they were final sale, will they stretch or should I just try to resell them?

>>18684334
resell

>>18684334
you should resell them for the mere fact that they’re boat shoes

>>18684334
In my experience boat shoes stretch a ton! Sperrys, Rancourt. Both have stretched a lot
How small are we talking? You'll know of they're too small or just a little small

>>18684330
Cousin has a pair of snakeskin cowboy boots from some old and defunct manufacturer. He uses them as his "dress boots" (lives in New Mexico) and complains regularly about how they need to be babied more than other boots and that they require special conditioners and cleaners. I'm sure the standard battery of cowboy boot makers have some snake skin offerings, you might also see them on some side zip boots, but I haven't really seen them used outside of that. No matter what style you pick should do heavy research to make sure you aren't getting scammed with fake snakeskin.

>>18684334
Just sell them, they won't stretch a full size. There's no point in messing up your feet for shoes that won't fit.

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Any alternatives to Saddleback Leather? They are overpriced for what it is but I havent been able to find anything with similar design, quality and cheaper.

>>18684345
thanks for the infodump. probably going to avoid them then

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>>18684330
>>18684345
>>18684347

>>18682870
Doesn't abuse, and also babies them by cleaning and conditioning way too often. Instead of increasing the lifespan, too much care will shorten the lifespan of the stitching.

>>18682746
Which White’s boots with a heel like that uses cork?

>>18682746
>gemming
Btw, anyone know if the donquixote-like cordswainer on SF that lead the original charge against gemming is still alive? He incited so much seethe back in the day...

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>>18682746
>he bought the cheap line thinking he could get the handwelt
lmao get real

>>18684336
>>18684343
>>18684345
Oh nyo...
>>18684344
They're tight on the widest part of the foot, on the verge of being uncomfortable. If I wear them for an entire day my feet start hurting by the end of it. I think if I can get a bit of stretch out of them I can make them work.

>>18684684
How new are they? Are they still breaking in?

Test

>>18684689
Only wore them twice, once for a couple hours and once for a day.

>>18684699
I dunno bro I feel like telling you to keep them because my Sperrys stretched a ton, too much even, and my Rancourts were uncomfortable as fuck for like a week straight but now they're hella comfy

>>18684777
Thanks yeah I think I'll keep them, maybe put some shoe trees in them to soften them up.

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hahahah what the hell

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I bought a pair of Jim Green's and upon trying them on I've found that this seam digs into my ankle. Anyone here has experience with these boots and knows whether that will go away as I break them in? I like them apart from that.

>>18685065
we warned you about collar padding bro

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>>18685047
There was an old woman who lived on a shoe

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are these effay? need new summer boots

>>18685047
lmfao americans

>>18685185
shut up retard

>>18685208
That's a Chinese bootmaker

>>18685324
That’s an american shape and aesthetic

>>18685065
what's your ankle circumference, you're making me worried
>>18685066
when

>>18685345
Since when?

>>18685377
Since a century. European boots are more minimalistic and sober.

>>18685372
worried about what

>>18685396
Nah

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I caved, this heatwave has shown I can't go back to sneakers and I can't wear my IRs with shorts. Got the Jim Green Vellies in brown suede which they're closing out, they're comfy.

>>18685397
about the fact that jim green's might be uncomfortable on my wide-ankled feet
>>18685423
nice

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>>18685440
My ankle circumference is about 27cm, assuming I measured at the right spot. But I don't think that they're too tight, rather that this inner part is rubbing against the skin when you move.

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>but but but truman boot owners are chuds...

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>>18683718
>i hate the look of cap toes

Casual take

>>18685447
looks like they forgot to skive the edge

>>18685461
Frank’s enjoyers are the biggest chuds. Nothing but racists and anti-semites and “it’s not gay if balls don’t touch” feminine twink abusers.

>>18685440
>wide-ankled feet
you mean obese?

>>18685489
So fucking cringe and tragic.

>>18684313
Luna boots. He’s like Frank except a faggot, heavy customization and overpriced for what he does. Dude will make anything but it all looks like something you’d see at a pride parade or drag show.

>>18685461
I honestly don't get what you're trying to convey.

>>18683724
>Blundstone 585s
As an Australian, I can tell you that you have fucked up. That shit was assembled in Australia from Viet-namese and Indonesian parts. You got jungle Asian boots and paid waaaay too much for em.

do you boys rate Ariat highly or not? in terms of quality

>>18685712
junk/10

>>18685491
That doesn't matter. My ankles are wide. That's all you need to know.

>>18685544
i just went with them because they were still over 2x cheaper than anything else I was considering and there was a store nearby for me to try them on.

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I will never understand the appeal of this hideous boot

>>18685772
I like it. I want a black pair but it's also not a boot but a derby.

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What I really want is what this dude is wearing. I can't tell exactly if it's a boot or a shoe. Looks like a monkey boot but not as gay looking. I can't really ID it.

>>18685823
Boxing boots

>>18685823
Looks like bowling shoes

>>18685831
I thought so but I couldn't find similar.

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You guys fuck with these?

>>18685823
Monkey boots or lace to toe boots.

>>18685844
definitely not

>>18685886
Damn I can't tell if I'm cringe or if it's you, but I like these a lot. I wonder if they have a shank. They probably do. At the very least, they don't have the literal garbage soloshitter/docshitter PVC gay fetishist shiny "leather".

>>18685897
I'm not into that colour scheme, but Fracap in general is of great quality.

>>18685544
>That shit was assembled in Australia from Viet-namese and Indonesian parts.
Blundstones have been entirely made outside of australia for 15 years or more now; no part of them is made there. Redback and Mongrel are the only Aussie made workboots left. There used to be so many companies, even up to a decade ago. Not any more.

>>18685772
It looks like a rollerskate boot without the wheels.

what's the sizing like on Frank's? I measure at a 9.5, but my best fitting shoes are 8.5 and I have a pair of timbs at 8.5 that I'm swimming in.

>>18685912
What about their loafers?

I've been looking to get my first decent pair of boots, I like the look of some of the leathers on Trumans. Redwood double shot, autumn cypress and tobacco snakebite all look nice. Any reason not to go with Truman? I've seen some people whining about the owner being flaky or something but I could not possibly give a shit about that.

>>18685946
>Any reason not to go with Truman?
because vince is mentally ill and will be annoying to deal with if for any reason you need to do a return or exchange
also their qc is shit (vince will blame you, the customer, for this

>>18685975
Vince will make a shitty boot and when you're inevitably not happy with it and try to return it he'll call you a "boot loop" and make schizo rambling posts about you on Instagram
Dude is unhinged

>>18685975
>>18685978
Is there another company that makes a very similar boot for similar price? I'm not looking to spend $1000 on a pair, trying to stay around $500ish.

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>>18685984
Don't listen to those redditfags.

The only real problem with truman is they got rid of last 79 (replaced it with generic casual, formal and work lasts) and started focusing on moc toes.

>>18685989
>they got rid of last 79
Shame. It works really well with my feet.

I just want more cowboy boots

I just want one cowboy boot.

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>spend $1k on boots
>they still crease like this
is leather a complete lottery?

>>18686505
just CXL lottery

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>>18686505
>still crease like this

That's all leathers, with the exception of horse butt/cordovan

You should try doc martens

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>makes the thunder dome haters seethe

>>18686509
now post that dale's leatherworks guy's boots that she sanded and scraped against the ground and said "it's real p-please give me a prize"

>>18686507
i have non-CXL boot that looks worse than my CXL ones
now that i think of it my two shoes with CXL probably have the best creasing of any of my pairs
my alden calf Indys have the worst

>>18686509
>teacore wear on the ankles and shins
Pretty standard for a thunderdome pair.

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>over shilled and over priced despite being completely ordinary and unoriginal

>>18686638
never even heard of them but already annoyed by all the heat applications and how close they're using that heat gun to the leather

>>18686505
All leathers, not talking "membranes" like shell, crease.
All leather will one day crack on those creases. It's not about if, but rather when. Could be 4 years or 40; depends on the quality, how you wear them and how you care for them.
What you can do: boot trees.
Condition so they don't get too dry.
Brush after wear because microgrit gets into those crease valleys and rubs and eats away with each flex.

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My collection

>>18687027
What loafers are these?

>>18687031
Pair on the left is Meermin Ron, pair on the right is Cheaney Hudson

saphir omni the best nubuck cleaner?

>>18685047
Looks like something R. Crumb would draw and then jerk off to

>>18687032
Damn.

>>18687135
why damn?

>>18687162
Dam bro...

>>18687192
sheeeeit....

>>18687206
I just don't like these...

>>18687217
Dam bro...

>>18687449
How hard would it be to turn some brown calfskin shoes black? In hindsight I wish I got black instead
Acetone to remove all dye and finish, redye black, do as many coats and necessary, then add polish and wax or whatever?
Seems relatively straightforward.

>>18687449
>buy black boot from chyna
>its actually a brown boot painted black

>>18687658
I bet you think leather comes from the cow in the color you want

>>18687664
I got a nice red pair, made it out of a spotless red calf I caught alone at the edge of Longnose Ranch. Strange bunch over there, all kinds of wailing later that evening. Someone really ought to tell them that those little hats won't really help with the sun. Anyway, nice boots.

>>18687664
the colour should come from the tannery not some chingpongnipnong painting it with some shitty paint that'll peel

>>18687674
Ah, so you're a retard
Got it

>>18687664
you mean to tell me it doesn't?

>>18687449
>dying light shell black
Why would you do this? Isn't light shell usually more rare and thus usually more expensive?
I was under the impression that light shell is rarer because it has to be an immaculate specimen, whereas darker dyes can hide imperfections etc., the tanner doesn't have to be as selective.
Is that just Alden kikekery talking? Or is that a thing?

>>18687682
anon that's being done in chyna they're literally selling you a brown shoe painted black when you buy a black shoe

>>18687664
you dont think my suede came from a loden green cow? I think its an Irish breed

>>18687711
mite b tru m8 i dunno

>>18687449
>patina thunderdome intensifies

>>18687449
>shell
isn't that just suede?

>>18687682
it's not horween shell so who cares what he does with it, it's trash anyway

as for horween, all the shell colors cost the same and the rarity of certain shell colors is mostly just a myth, people projecting alden allocation privileges onto shell production as a whole
lighter leathers being "rarer", because they show imperfections isn't exclusive to shell cordovan either
horween can make any color a customer requests and the issue is mostly that they don't, not that hide selection is so incredibly demanding
the shell customer list is practically closed and horween just caters to clients with existing purchase history at this point
most of the legacy clients value consistency over doing quirky limited drops and the issue with colors other than color8+black is that they have such shade variation within the hide itself and within/between batches that it makes perfect consistency almost impossible
certain makers think they can't put out a product and have it be a different shade the next season, edward green is supposedly super anal about this

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>>18682725
Recommend me some boots that would look good with LVC 1955 cut jeans

>>18687757
The hem on those is wider than most current straight cut jeans. For that reason alone I'd avoid any dressy slim last and look into chunkier boots. Engineers are an obvious choice, cowboy or ropers if that's your style. Or the safer option, some sort of chunky service or work boot. Depends on which type of boot suits your style best.
Personally, and assuming you don't own any boots, I'd go with the latter. What's your budget?

>>18687744
Thanks for the rundown; very interesting.

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>>18687682
China has their own locally sourced shell cordovan. Just like how Japan has Shinki shell cordovan.

>>18685462
quite nice, what are those

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anyone know where i can find boots like picrel? preferably mid range

>>18688029
>z*ppers

whats the actual dollar amount you'll go

>>18688029
>zippers
At the mall wherever they sell the shitty junk shoes

>>18688031
probably around $500

>>18683878
Not that anon but it’s the same cork sole.

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What’s a good place to get a pair of nice leather loafers? Something I can wear with shorts. These aren’t bad but if I’m gonna pay 200$ I’d rather just get something that will last even if I have to go up in price

>>18688186
rancourt, quoddy, arrowmoc, yuketen

anyone have experience sizing ro search combat boots? interested in options from the late 80s/early 90s, i'm a size 11 normally

>mfw my boots were in a nigs boots on the line ig post

Need some more boots.

>>18682725
Someone needs to update this faq

thusday rogues and chelsea boots are good.
The captain is also alright for entry level at its pricepoint.

Made in China isn't really bad quality anymore. Yearn is really high quality and is made in china. If anything Made in Italy is the red flag.
Made in USA too. allen edmunds is trash, alden not too far off from it compared to it. Meanwhile Bridlin which is made in India mogs everything "made in USA".
Made in england is still good. Spain seems to be doing well

the person who wrote this faq is a complete moron.

>>18687027
who makes the cowboy boots? hard to find round toe ones these days...

>>18689467
thank you saaar very cool

>>18689472
Tony Lama
Those are from their top USA line

>>18689467
Shut the fuck up shill. Are you Stridewise or something?

>>18689484
Is it the Orlando?

>>18689493
it is yeah, good eye

>>18689494
is that how the black cherry looks? looks good.
I am looking on the website now and deciding between cognac and black cherry.

I ride horses a bit so i just wear the ariat heritages but it would be nice to have some boots for casual wear too.

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>>18689467
>Meanwhile Bridlin which is made in India mogs everything "made in USA".

Jeet hands wrote this.

Anyway, would you like some high quality boots?

>>18689584
I wouldnt buy bridlin because they are made in india. But I am not going to lie and pretend bridlin doesn't mog something like allen edmunds in terms of quality.

American shoemakers are just not good. You have to go to companies that make stuff in Spain or England for the most part.
Made in Italy is absolutely dogshit.

Yearn is actually really nice its made in China.
I personally like TLB Mallorca and Yearn a lot of dress shoes.
For boots, it varies on what you want.
The Iron Rangers are still good "made in USA" boots but they aren't dressy and versatile imo.
Doc martens made in england vintage boots are good, but the ones made here are trash.
Alden isn't bad, but the lasts are not that great, and its really just allen edmunds with better quality control imo.
Compare it to something like TLB mallorca or an Edward Green.
Might as well get Carminas

>>18689169
>nigs
But why tho

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Cheapest boots I can get that look similar to this?

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>>18689642
>Cheapest boots

You need to give us some price range.
Are we talking about Thursday cheap? Or Aliexpress cheap?

>>18689642
just buy those
they look like cheap shit

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>>18689519
I like them a lot my only gripe is the "black" on the black cherry is applied and scuffs off. It's especially obvious in the toe area where the grain is pulled flat
I actually don't know what to do about this. Do I get red (burgundy? cordovan?) polish or black polish or what?

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>>18689717
Another angle
Otherwise the boots are great, no complaints at all

>>18689642
Luosjiet captoe service boot

>>18685823
https://www.luosjiet.com/products/boxing-boot-b02-luosjiet%C2%AEboots-mto-black-teacore-hand-dyed-oiled-nubuck

>>18689717
>>18689720
oh wow,
so its just cognac but applied on color?
in your original pic, the color looked way more uniform but it seems its different up close?
id prob use a chili or burgundy polish.
they do look well made on the welting.

what are the soles like? do the have nails on them?

>>18689467
>Made in China isn't really bad quality anymore.
People here shit n made in China yet shill made in China Grant Stones. China will be a kay player in the heritage bootmaking market. They have the ability to make quality boots, it's just that most importers want to cut costs as much as possible and customers are reluctant to pay mid-range prices for made in China stuff regardless of quality.

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>>18689765
>luoshit

I bet you'd love this Alden Indy inspired boot from luoshit

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I have $140/200 gbp required for these

>>18689970
yes there is a lot of garbage made in china but there is also a lot of garbage made in america.
there is even more garbage made in italy and sold for really high prices.

>>18689970
>China will be a kay player in the heritage bootmaking market
only because they appeal to the worse segment of the market the retards who shop by price alone

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>>18689825
It's all correct. Leather sole, channel for the stitches, tons of wooden pegs. Leather insole which is a requirement for me

>>18690000
>>18690001
the fit is horrible, the last tapers too much at the toes and the waist is too wide

>>18688029
Tecovas

>>18688188
Any alternatives for eu? Ordering shoes internationally is way too risky.

>>18690447
no there aren't historical moc makers in europe cause no indians

>>18690449
Man I just want some comfy moc loafers

>>18690454
Take a look at Yanko.

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>>18682725
My boots

>>18690476
Pennies just look so tryhard to me

>>18690516
What kind of moc toe are you looking for? Do you have a picture of what you have in mind, more or less?

>>18686508
just get solovairs, skip docs

how important is it to take care of suede?

>>18689599
>Alden isn't bad, but the lasts are not that great, and its really just allen edmunds with better quality control imo.
AE must be total shit then. I've spent thousands importing alden over the years, shell, non shell, the lot. They make one of the few lasts that actually fit my retarded feet so I "need" them but man are they shitty in their QC. English make? Not a stitch out of line, even on low level stuff like Loake. Alden? 1sts should be 2nds. I remember actually trying some on in a store when I got the opportunity, a pair of barrie last col8 shell navy plaintoe boots. One of the speedhooks was attached the wrong way around.
I pointed this out to the salesman and he sighed
>yeah, they're always like this from this brand..
Being a retard I still bought them; I wasn't aware at that stage that trubalance was my last, not barrie. Fuck you barry.

Whenever I see all the shoes I've bought over the years that just don't fit me well after testing out I think that I could've gotten maybe a pair of bespoke Lobbs or Scheer's, at least. Oh well.
Redwing was also not perfect. Nor Fender. Nor any other american made thing I own. It's like american made stuff is all made on a friday or something, I dunno. Maybe it was better in the past. It's like they cbf'd.

>>18690454
yuketen is a little bit more "out there" but they should have a bunch of euro stockists

>>18690719
Well if you don't it starts to look like shit. It's not roughout, which is meant to be roughed up and look worn.

>>18690719
Why would you even buy suede? It's literally just the corium, the shittiest part of the hide.

>>18690485
very australian

>>18690719
You don't really need to do anything to it, I don't know why retards keep perpetuating the myth that suede is delicate or high maintenance. Brush every once in a while with a regular horsehair brush to clean dirt off of it, if the fibers get matted you can get a suede brush that has brass bristles to lift them back up. Saphir invulner every few months if you're really concerned about the suede getting wet. That's about it.

>>18690795
If shit spills on it it's ruined. If shit spills on normal smooth leather it drips off and you can just wipe it.
>don't spill crap on your shoes then hurrrr
Yes, but when you're out and about you can't stop retards around you from spilling stuff.
Spray that saphir nano shield shit on it; best you can do.

>>18690795
>I don't know why retards keep perpetuating the myth that suede is delicate or high maintenance
the vast majority of suede on the market is the split dogshit and that definitely is more delicate than a roughout

>>18690719
it's not at all whatsoever unless it gets stained, in which case use a cleaner. otherwise just brush it
if the nap gets too worn and flat there's specific suede brushes to bring the nap back
very first thing i do when i get new suede or roughout is to immediately soak it and wear it as it dries. breaks it in almost instantly and does absolutely zero harm

>>18690764
Certain styles look very formal in smooth leather

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Meh, not bad. Patina even look legit

>>18691383
What is this?

>>18691400
I think they might be boots but there's no way to be sure

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>>18691383
this guy won patina thunderdome, because he is a bootmaker with an existing business relationship with ben robinson and was featured on stitchdown earlier last year
not only is this guy getting additional exposure for his brand he's also getting a free trip to japan and a pair of clinch as if he is a competitor on equal standing with everybody else in the contest
that happens every year, most of the people getting prizes are from ben's friendo clique, if you're a rando nobody there is almost no point in competing
somehow there are multiple names that have gotten prizes every single year for the last 5 years (this guy being one example >>18683195)
the whole contest is super formulaic and predictable it's genuinely the same types of boots worn by the same people
>nicks in horween dublin won work dome
wow no way

as far as patina on these it's almost all just conditioner smeared liberally for the last submission pictures, all the contrast is from the heel counter cover+vamp being fleshside and the quarters being grainside
for crust cordovan they are kind of lame and if he actually brushed these regularly instead of relying on product he would have gotten better results
the sole and heel wear looks super light
even if you consider this legit patina i think out of 500 boots there were better picks out there for the grand prize

how much slop is acceptable in a new pair of cowboy boots
foot slides in, get some resistance, a decent lil "thunk" (not like a proper fitting lace up boot but solid)
some heel slip but i feel like all pull on boots have to have at least a bit of heel slip at first or you wouldn't be able to get the boot on

>>18691475
>as far as patina on these it's almost all just conditioner smeared liberally for the last submission pictures
Basically all these "epic" patinas are nothing more than natural CXL or similar leathers over conditioned to get dark like that. It's not even wear.
The patina redditdome is so fucking retarded

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I DON'T NEED ANOTHER PAIR
I DON'T NEED ANOTHER PAIR
I DON'T NEED ANOTHER PAIR
I DON'T NEED ANOTHER PAIR

>>18691619
if it's hard to get on as you push your foot in and then you get that "THUNK" then that's exactly what you want. if the instep feels snug that's good. if you can wiggle your toes and they aren't being crushed that's good
a bit of heel slip is fine because the sole is stiff and doesn't flex until it's new and once it softens and starts to flex the slip goes away. and if it's not a leather or leather adjacent heel counter (read: not plastic) then as it breaks in it will also hold your heel better
i thought my cowboy boots were too big when new but I couldn't fathom getting my foot in a smaller size. after a week the heel slip was way better and after another there's hardly any at all
remember, if there is zero slip whatsoever you literally would not be able to get a foot in and out. there needs to be some slip

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>>18691631
i think i'm good
i HATE boots that are too small and your feet swell a bit throughout the day so i'm not worries
not a traditional cowboy boot but i'm in the PNW, have at least one pair each from whites, nigs, jk, and two from based Franks and wanted to try something different

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>>18691619
well over time some things will happen

the shaft should collapse a little and lock your foot into the heel pocket
your gait will likely change subtly, you'll find yourself swinging heel first a little more

ideally you want it to be snug around the throat and yeah having a leather heel counter makes a big difference

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>>18691637
is that bullhide?

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>>18691638
Bison
i actually ordered bullhide initially (picrel is the config with predator orange uppers) but they tore where the vamp meets the upper (shitty clicking imo, from the photo they sent me that portion of the hide wasn't good enough for the boots, will post in a sec)
so i chose a replacement leather and went with bison (and predator natural uppers because i didn't want them reusing the old uppers idk i'm paranoid and wanted a fresh start)
think they turned out p nice, clicking on these looks great and excited to see how they look in the sun

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>>18691639
failure in the initial pair
just looks like really poor clicking to me, grain very loose and stretched past its limit
and apparently this was only caught during a final QC check before heading out the door
much happier with the pair i received, the bison leather is super soft and pliable, perfect for a comfy cowboy boot (but maybe i'm coping)
only thing that irks me is the size of the heel counter
feels smaller than it should
maybe they use a smaller counter in their cowboy/western boots but i'd prefer if it were a bit larger (not the one from my Frank's though that would be a fucker to break in and be massively uncomfortable

>>18691637
nice chodes

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>>18691668
the counter does seem a little small

>>18691673
yeah it's definitely smaller than i'd prefer but hopefully should work
i like a big ass counter so we'll see how these work

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>>18691682
ok last photo this bison is just fuckin sweet and all this leather smells heavenly

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>>18691628
>need
Where do you think you are

>>18691628
Are Mr Lous hand welted?

>>18692019
stitchdown

>>18692022
How does the insole attach to the uppers with stitch down?

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>>18692027
the upper is, get this, stitched down onto the insole

>>18692030
Nah. They stitch the upper to the sole and the insole just floats inside

Bootfags: what's the consensus on shell these days? Is whoreween still considered "the best"? How about rocado or shinki? Or whatever chinkshell that comes out of china?

>>18692030
>stitched down onto the insole
No, sweetums. It's stitched through the outsole (and midsole if present). The insole is usually just glued in place after.

>>18690910
>very first thing i do when i get new suede or roughout is to immediately soak it and wear it as it dries. breaks it in almost instantly and does absolutely zero harm
this sounds like a meme

>>18692327
people do the same with smooth leather. its an old school break in trick. you just have to keep changing your socks

>>18692385
soaking in water is retarded
you can use a 50/50 mix of water and isopropyl alcohol to spray or lightly apply to hotspot areas to help with break in but i don't believe in any of that shit
boots should not be uncomfortable or painful out of the box imo and the degree to which they will stretch to accomodate your foot is grossly over exaggerated

>>18692389
Then don't do it little bitch. No one cares

How much different/worse is velour compared to suede? Looking for suede boots, can't really find any good shit right now, but found potentially decent ones made from velour, which i have zero experience with.

>>18692437
Uhhh I don't think velour is leather

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thoughts on belts from boot makers?
any experiences?
or maybe recommendations for belt makers?

>>18692547
just a natural byproduct of their business, it's good leather from talented leather workers

>>18692547
I'd buy from proper belters like c&j and other quality UK manufacturers.

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>>18692547
I got a belt from Northstar Leather in Amber Harness to match my IRs and I'm pretty pleased with it. I'm definitely never going back to 20 dollar genuine leather belts. They aren't technically bootmakers though.

>>18692573
>Northstar Leather
I got a wallet from them probably 8-10 years ago, I don't even remember it's been so long. Still use it every day

Are there any ways to make putting on your boots easier? I always get sort of stuck halfway and have to really force my foot into the boot. They fit well once I have them on.

>>18692618
no pull loops?

>>18692618
gotta unlace them

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>>18692625
and now you know why people put up with speed hooks even though they look worse

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>>18692618

>speedhooks
>they don't make you faster
what is even the point?

>>18692853
>buy boots
>get hooked on speed

>>18692853
Once again, reddit soi memes.

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not enough pictures of boots

I just want the comfort of a wedge sole on my heeled boots for fucks sake

>>18693455
just get some super soft soles put on

>>18693483
>super soft soles
yeah that's a wedge my nigga
nothing comes close