pigeon dunks editionold: >>18643885
nothing but crap on the horizonthese are alright i guess
cop or not?
Still kinda want these but my wallet.
what the fuck happened to Air Force 1s??back when I was in high school it was THE shoe of the cool kids, if you didnt own a pair you were considered lamenowdays I dont see anyone wearing them anymore and gen Z even refer to them as >dad shoeswhat happened??
im 34 and never ever had nike so I decided to ofc go with air max 90 but damn I cant decide which variant, mesh, leather, drift , cordura, gore-texwhat theI guess drift ones look the best to me but I am totally lost on materials
who wins?
>>18684375Imo the best are the colour poppin versions.Neons, infared, blue lightning.They became part of the underground rave scene of the 90’s so I think a dopamine inducing pop of colour fits and stays true to their roots.
>>18684376club c mogs
>>18684369they became too cool for their own goodlow tops are firmly classics now, you need high tops to be cutting edge
>>18684369basic ppl runned them to the ground basically what's happening to the samba>>18684376club cs are a classic, adidas with the line looks dumb and ruins the silhouette
I'd cop on a sale.
>>18685173Colgate drip
Just bought these, thoughts?
>>18683939Are these men or women's I legit can't tell?
>>18683939I wear adidas gazelles everywhere :)
>>18685300drift is better than leather
>>18685300criminality
>>18683939Picked up a pair of these and really enjoying them
>>18687010>minecraft shoeshow's 3rd grade, mr chicken jockey?
>>18684157Average price for sneakers today... It's a luxe item nowadays
Low profile recs? Missed out on getting these.
>>18684369tried it in store. af1's are uncomfortable af. gonna cop 990v6 later today
>>18687687for me it's the opposite. AF1s when even slightly broken in are very comfy. my 990v6s gave me tendonitis or some shit in my foot.
Vans skate sk8-hi or chucksChoose for me
>>18687649astorflex tenniflex
Coming out End of the year. Anyone getting?
>>18687709Chucks
need to buy casual pairs, contemplating on:>Onitsuka Tiger Mexico 66/GSM>SambasHaven't owned a pair of Adidas for a few years. The last one I had broke down so quickly, ordered a few pairs last summer, sent them back because the quality seemed awful. Onitsuka Tigers are just priced so high, I can get Sambas with 90 europoors, practically half of what Onitsuka Tiger costs.
what are some trendy versatile black sneakers if you only had to pick 1 pair of black sneakers
i wanna pull the trigger on the af1 goretexi dont have any black sneakers and i need a pair of black sneakers for grey weather, rainy weather
>>18688392they look good but goretex on shoes always kinda freaks me out, they do not breathe at all
>>18688392goretex + vibram at only $150 cad seems like a dealthe only thing is, how do you wear washed out black sneakers with a darker black pants?
I'm not taking my sneakers off, I am Sneakers O'Toole
>>18688931*sneedkers
>>18688992keksneed
>>18688388black sneakers aren't very versatile imo. unless you're wearing all black they always look out of place
I searched the catalogue for "shoes" and "trainers" before I remembered that yanks say "sneakers"Thoughts on pic related? Obviously they're not obscure at all but still.
>>18690299They are perfectly fine. You wont get bullied and put in “what are those?!” tiktoks but also wont get girls surrounding you and complimenting your shoe
>see a cool sneaker>remember I am 34
>>18690444>get girls surrounding you and complimenting your shoewhat shoos to achieve this effect?
>>18690467Anything with lifts that puts you above 6 feet
>>18690453pic unrelated
I want to wear shoes like picrel, but anything with a flat sole will destroy my deformed, pronating feet.
>tfw people look at my geos a lot but i never get compliments
I love ricky but this is fucking lame>>18691140They are terrified of your aura
>>18687649Damn, probably the only sneakers I'd buy
>>18687649>never heard of this brand, look them up>another japanese brand that does cool stuff and isn’t that expensive>they dont ship to europe>have to use grailed and import sites and pay doubleThis is why I hate the japanese
>>18691740There are stockists in Europe, volume is just low. Even their own store is out of stock.
I can't believe they discontinued my favorite sneakers, wtf do I wear now for walking, hokas? ugly as sin and expensive, same goes for oncloud, and I don't trust the quality of nike or adidas, vans also suck ass and aren't that comfortable.
How do we feel about these? I bought them for $40 three years ago, theyre now $80 on Amazon.
>>18685295Nice subtle shoes, I'll probably grab something like that for my next pair. Most people wearing their jordans or whatever look over the top and weird most of the time so this is a good buy imo.
Someone explain gats to me. Why would I ever buy MM when I can get a pair from Adidas for at worst a fifth of the price? They're even the original manufacturer too.
>>18692323Hurr
>>18692323As someone that owns both.. yeah. The margiela one has nicer suede, but no way anyone can tell from afar.
>>18692336You can instantly tell by the stripes. I wouldn't buy either as Adidas are trash and Margiela are oveprices, go Reproduction of Found.
>>18692323if you're like me and the adidas gats don't come in your size but the margiela ones do
>>18692323the first ones that were used in Maison Margiela shows were actual surplus ones made by Adidas and Puma.
>>18692344>gats>stripes
Is there any way to make Club C less warm and anti-transpirant? Whenever I put them on I feel like I’m putting my feet in fire.
ID?
>>18692927Adidas Megaride F50
Copped these, arriving today.
What's a good lifestyle/running sneaker that adds minimal height? Adidas NMD R1s are 22mm forefoot, 27mm heel, and i absolutely love it. Just enough cushion for daily walking and running, but doesn't feel like there's pillows taped to the bottom of your foot. I looked at some retro runner type of sneakers, the only thing I found was the Nike Zoom Vomero 5 SE... Even that is 31mm heel though. I also really hate stan smith type of sneakers, with the flat bottom, makes me feel like i'm walking on a concrete slab , i really want a running sneaker in particular.
>>18687709chucks if femalevans if male
clueless retard newfag here, are these good? pure white or Sail™? I'm trying to normiefy myself
they were like 35usdwe'll see how long they last
>>18690984Have you tried orthotic insoles?
>>18693369Ugly and expensive
>>18693369Apologies, I misread your reply. I did buy some orthotics insoles, but it's difficult to find good shoes to put them in, with removable insoles, not flat shape, not ugly.
>>18693209yes, triple white
I got some black air max 97s
R we copping
>>18693895more like coping
what we think gang
>>18694540teenage girl?
>>18694540Ugly. Just go to the mall and buy whatever vans are there for under a hundo.
>>18693209only buy the ones with the SUPREME box logo
Why do you all need help buying basic ass inoffensive sneakers like sambas/af1 etc, do you lack such little confidence in your own decision making abilities
>>18694540I like them
>>18683939What's a /fa/ sneaker for someone who brisk walks 6 hours a day?I usually ruin my sneakers in 3 months
>>18685295Yo do they come in green
>>18693209If you want to be different I always liked the gum sole one
>>18695028you're joking but I get compliments on mine all the time
just copped these
>>18696387from the women’s section no less
Am i crazy or does wearing black shoes with a black top makes you look like an autist? I only have black shoes. Can enough be done with black shoes alone or should invest in white shoes?
>>18696629well yes you should have white shoes as well. i don't think black top+black shoes=autist. for me what gives the autist effect is black shoes+blue jeans, never looks right to me.
>>18684376continental but with the stripes
>>18687709chucks better for summer imo and go well with shorts
>>18696629black shoes dont go well with anything desu they just look good on all black outfits and thats about it.
>>18696629you're not wrong, it's very schoolshottercore, especially with light jeanswhite shoes will always be a better choice even if they're extremely played out rn
>>18696802schoolshootercore*incelcore if you will
>>18688392>af1 goretexEnd up going with these? I'm wondering if they're comfy enough for a lot of walking.
>>18696629It's mostly the jeans that do it in this picture, they have the classic autism look.
are these /fa/ or no?I cant justify myself to pay 400-800 europoors for a pair of sneakers that looks like I found them in a garbage dump
>>18697423not
>>18696387>>18696388Okay these are awesome.
>>18683939got these coming in tomorrow. I don't spend enough time on /fa/ to know if people here like shit like this, but I'm feelin good about them>>18696792they can look good with white jeans imo, lot of factors depend on that tho
Contemplating whether to keep these. £130.Toebox a little narrow, could've sized up a half. Would need to buy clothes which go with them too.Gel quantum kinetic
>>18697640>£130id just return them sounds like a hassle on several fronts
What should I buy if I want Vans Authentics but I don't want to buy Vans Authentics (and I want more neutral color options)?
>>18697854nigger dont get psyopped by random faggots on this board just buy the vans authentics if you want. most of these niggers are losers anyways
>>18695899No (but they're very comfortable)
>>18691733i kinda like these, but how are shoes like these so expensive? any shoes like these with thin sole and slim outline?
>>18697933I honestly rarely go on this board at all so I have no idea what psyop they're running, I just was wondering if there's a brand with better color options. I like more neutral colors.
>>18697854Buy vans inauthentic
Re-issue of these dropped 30 years after initial release.
>>18697854Just noticed your question.Ive never worn them but there are Keds, Toms and Bobs. If you want to cheap out and spend money on a thick insole as an extra you could go for generic aka brandless stuff.
>see shoe I like>realize it’s women’s only>lose all interestIs it just me?
>>18698146It’s only expensive because it says Rick Owens on the box. It’s not even a meme like geobaskets, so you’ll never get your money’s worthCos copycats are like 130 euros and even that is overpriced
>>18699115adidas are unisex however those rattan shoes are big homosex
>>18699115Just transition so you can wear them. Easy.
where can i find a comprehensive list of colorways for shit like air forces, dunks etc? mainly nike but other brands would be nice too
>>18699411i'm not sure if this is comprehensive, ie totally encompassing of every colorway ever, but stockX has seemingly every color for auction for a lot of shoes so you can see them therehttps://stockx.com/brands/nike?category=sneakers&gender=men&shoe-height=low&model=air-force-1
>>18683939I really like the way dunks look but I feel like they just look so fat on my feet. I'm too used to slimmer profile, something like the classic Puma Suede or any of the common projects clones. When girls wear dunks though it looks like they're not nearly as fat. Wish they made slimmer dunks, it's too impossible to navigate the nike catalog because they drop a billion shits.Something similar to the court royal but maybe a bit thicker and with dunks styles. Do these exist?
>>18694540this but green stripes
>late night>just got back from drinking with gf>she is in her sad-drunk phase>telling me how scared she was about me half-assedly talking about buying a house (past relationship trauma)>im sitting with her on the couch and my geos are facing me on the other side of the room, proud and erect.>gf has clearly been letting this house stuff eat at her and shes finally letting it out>all i can think is 'god damn these sneakers are beutiful'
Who here team /gps/? I love these shoes
are feiyues cool again? are they retro redditcore?
>>18684369never liked them. Their silhouette is so chunky and looks like shoes for elementary school kids
I'm getting these.>>18696629>>18696792I bought a pair of triple black Wave Prophecy LS and experienced this exact issue. I usually dress with CDG style saurel pants and I felt uncomfortable wearing them even in the best outfit I could manage. Maybe you could pull them off with military style pants, camo cargo whatever, but that's about it apart from all black.
Looking for some black sneakers. I was considering sambas but apparently they’re lame now and not great for actually walking around in. Thoughts and recs?
>>18701548990 series is heat but also they jacked the price up and it pisses me off; some models also aren't available all the time for no good reason
>>18683939Reccs for good space theme shoes? Got a space themed party within the year>>18687769On the list potentially. Haven't had a pair of 11s or even Js so might e a good way to try>>18692205Try thheir current lifestule shoes like the Kayano 14, Gel NYC of Cumulus 16? Could also go Brooks, which put their modern cushion in their 70's shoes>>18695668Saucony Omni 9s. Gotta get them in the right colorway too look good>>18700832Fire
>>18700344Court Vision Low?
>>18702427oh yeah, pretty much exactly what I'm looking for. Some of the colorways on these are very dunks like. Definitely not as many colorways exist but that's expected. Thanks for the rec
i want something like stan smiths but more comfy (they kinda hurt my feet) any suggestions. i got a pair of dunk sbs that are comfy
>>18702426galaxy foams
What's up sneakerheads
>>18704664New Balance is a boomer brand.
>>18704742I almost bought new balance last time I went shoe shopping
>>18704743Luckily you didn’t>>18704761My New Balance are cooler than yours, but nothing will change the fact that it is a boomer brand. How people can not see it it’s beyond me
>>18704664what up nigga
Copped these. I need them now, not next week
>>18704763I went with under armour instead
>>18705189those are slick, what brand?
I just copped the Nike Bode astrograbber. Piece of shit is still tight as fuck after sizing up 1.5x
>>18696387>>18696388How do they feel?
>>18700485Why is you talking about buying a house scaring your gf?
>>18705597They're vans x jjjjound half cabs
the cadillac of sneakers
>>18696629>Бeлыми дoлжны быть, кaк минимyм, зyбы и кeдыAs a minimum, your shoes and teeth have to be white.It is the law, bro
>>18706439>the mitsubishi lancer of sneakers
>>18706733you know what cuz, that actually works, cruise in style, all terrain
What are some height boosting trainers?I wore sketchers which gave a considerable boost, but I want something new and cool, unopposed to boots too. I'm 5'9" and want to be 5'10 atleast. With my sketchers plus insoles I got to 5'11.5 because they compressed.
>>18707151nah nah nah
>>18707151Just eat gas station height pills
>>18707151AF1 LV8 (pronounced "elevate")at 6'5 when i put on my GAT-inspired pair, i'm height mogmaxxing
>>18707246Elveeate
Just copped what do you think
>>18707391I don't think
>>18707409Therefore you are not :(
>>18707391disgusting to be honest familia
>>18687709Absolutely converseNever seen an outfit where sk8 hi's looked good
>>18707429What is wrong with them?
>>1869227A little bit cool. Nice classic beaters. Would've looked cooler if you got the one without the gum sole.
>>18696231Nah nah gum soles ugly
>>18696920Those look completely ridiculous
>>18701338Make the upgrade from smabas to superstars
>>18707441they look cheap, the blue is horrid, the stripe is horrid and the general design seems like a margiela gats/bw army clone but with a lot worse silhouette, that why they look so cheapnormal army sneakers are lower, pic related
>>18707391ya they look pretty bad. i could tell right away theyre not margielas. if youre gonna wear that silhouette, stick to mmm or adidas. its like the common projects achilles thing, where everyone was trying to make a copy of them, but the copies were just cheap knock-offs.
>>18690984go run barefoot on the beach every day for a month, will clear that problem up.
>>18685295Copped.
>>18707246Ty, will have a look into these. I considered air man's and Asics too.
>>18707598Which colour did you go for? I was a bit unsure about the mesh part but it makes them perfect for summer.
>>18707839Got the black ones. That other anon was right. They do wear nicely even if you go for a tighter fit.
>>18683939
>>18708029are these worth having?
>>18708037I don't KNOW OK?
I got called out for wearing “fake margielas” today
How’s the sizing on Nike Cortez compared to for example Chuck 70s or NB 574? AI seems to say to go same size as my 574s but I just wanted to get some input from someone with actual feet.
I'm trying to decide between New Balance 530s, 740s, Asics Gel-1130s and NB 992s(too expensive desu). I tried all kinds of shoes already like Sambas, Gazelle Indoors, AF1s, Reebok c85s and they were all too narrow for me, especially the toe box. I'm ready to upgrade to comfy running shoes, but I can't really decide on a pair that would look good and would be easy to wear with trackpants and denim. Any recs or input would be appreciated.
Who has cheep New Balance black running shoes? I like these for work but I'm not paying $90 for shoes that will be worn out after a year.
>>18709505IMO these running shoe type of sneakers don’t work well with jeans. I have the NB 574 and I really only wear them with sweatpants and shorts. That’s not to say you couldn’t style them with jeans but that’s just my opinion at this moment of time and I might change my view if I see some good fits combining them.
What’s the current best New Balance model? 530? I’m going for this aesthetic btw (pic related)
This thread fucking sucks holy shit
This thread fucking rules
>>18687015>mr chicken jockey
>>18708461Serves you right, the GATs are ugly and the only benefit is the suede makes them more durable. I don't know why the fuck they've become popular.
I just got the white Cortez with the red Nike stripe
>>18687649desperately want them to restock these
>>18693370>goes inside the shoe>ugly
>>18710969Kek
does anyone have a list of top /fa/ approved sneakers/ shoes to buy for lazy goys such as myself? thank you in advance xx
>>18700488I bought TTS on the brown pair 3-4 years ago and I really wish I went a half size or full size up on them, they just pinch my toes and I can't wear them long.
no heat coming out lately
>>18711123TTS is not a thing
if only i was mexican or samoan
>>18713827These look AI generated
my favourite sneakers. the asics-ex89
>>18714015nice
>>18714015pretty cool
>>18683939manchild tier.>>18683941manchild tier.>>18684028manchild tier.>>18684157manchild tier.>>18684376manchild tier x2>>18685173manchild tier.>>18685295manchild tier.
>>18685298manchild tier.>>18687010manchild tier.>>18687649manchild tier.>>18687709manchild versus manchild.>>18687769manchild tier.>>18688392manchild tier.>>18690299manchild tier.>>18690453manchild tier.
>>18690984manchild tier.>>18691733manchild tier.>>18692205manchild tier.>>18692271manchild tier.>>18692495manchild tier.>>18692883manchild tier.>>18692927manchild tier.>>18692998manchild tier.>>18693062manchild tier.
>>18693209manchild tier.>>18693257manchild tier.>>18693895manchild tier.>>18694540manchild tier.>>18696231manchild tier.>>18696387manchild tier.>>18696388manchild tier.
>>18696629manchild tier.>>18696841drip.>>18696920manchild tier.>>18697423manchild tier.>>18697475manchild tier.>>18697640manchild tier.>>18698077manchild tier.>>18698762manchild tier.>>18699115manchild tier.
>>18699116manchild tier.>>18700344manchild tier.>>18700488isn't that the pedo shoe?>>18700832manchild tier.>>18701548manchild tier.>>18702426manchild tier.>>18702427broke manchild tier.>>18702829broke manchild tier.>>18704658manchild tier.
>>18705189manchild tier.>>18706439manchild tier.>>18707246insecuritymaxxed.>>18707391manchild tier.>>18707455zogbot tier.>>18708029manchild tier.>>18708461you were. no one cared about gats until mm made them good. >>18709017manchild tier.
>>18709017these will get you shot in la.>>18709505manchild tier.>>18710037manchild tier.>>18710232manchild tier.>>18713827those would pair well with ben davis gorilla cuts sized up 10 sizes>>18714015manchild tier.
>>18709017i just bought these, they come next week>>18715811why will these get me shot in LA?
thought on this Rain Cloud with Castlerock?I can cop it with 60$ brand new
>>18715811>>18715810>>18715809>>18715807>>18715806>>18715803>>18715801>>18715799There's nothing more childish than wanting to be perceived as a "grown up"
Think I'm gonna sell most of my airmax and just wear dress shoes, I'm 36
>>18716314Pic rel
>>18715840I just got my pair or Nike Cortez and oh man they are really comfy. I bought them to replace my NB 574’s and they are way more comfy.
>>18715858Get 'em. One of the most comfortable sneakers I've had.
>>18715940Dumb mass-replier btfo with truthnvke
>>18715940i cant imagine wearing something on my feet that you can't heel toe shift or get in a fight in. those 5" eva foam stack cope shoes you guys are always posting here are cringe.i have two pairs of converse, my running shoes and my trail runners. those are my only sneakers.then i have dress shoes, my hiking boots and my work boots. none of those boot thread type boots. i dont have anything against those types of boots as long as you only buy like 2 pairs to rotate for a category of boot you like. any more than that is funko pop redditor shit. >>18716314i got rid of all my hype sneakers at the start of the stockx era. once it became about reselling and price tags it was gay as fguck. i care more about how my fits look than what some tweenager tikkity tokker thinks about them.
>>18696231Love the gum soles, gives a vintage vibe I rock those consistently, especially with baggy/cargos
>>18696231gum reebok classics are better
When did any of you here realized that Nike sneks are uncomfortable as fuck and you were buying the brand and not the sneakers? I got that realization when I got my first pair of Ultraboost and I haven't look back ever since. I heard positive things about Pegasus and Vomeros but I don't want to get ripped off again.
>>18716745I bought a pair of AJ1s last year, my first Jordans, and couldn't believe how uncomfortable they were compared to my Superstars
>>187167601s have been noted to be especially uncomfortable as far as jordans go - in fact it's usually them or 4s that are cited as the least comfortable jordan modelthe models more generally viewed as comfier are the 3s, 5s and 13s
>>18716745when did you guys realize the resell prices on hype nike sneakers was a money laundering scheme and that vice president (((anne hebert)))s kid was the biggest reseller and that the prices crashed and the hype all went away after they got caught?
>>18716745Reebok are also uncomfortable imo. Too narrow. Anyone can relate or is it just me?
>>18716857just you sasquatch
>>18716745Not all Nike sneks are narrow. You can tell what you're getting just by looking at a pic.
>>18716916all adidas are narrow too so idk where the idea that adidas shit is comfortable comes from
>>18716857i have narrow feet so the brands people always complain about like converse, salomon, reebok, asics & narrow adidas models like stan smiths are the most comfortable to me.
im looking for a shoe.
>>18716986The NMDs are the most comfortable sneakers I ever got.
>>18717176what you gonna do with it
>>18717253wear it on my foot and walk around. alot. during the day and night. sometimes in the rain so it needs a good tread so i dont slip and fall
>>18716745Try the pegasus premiums, you will worship Nike again after
Are Reebok larger or smaller than Nike for nylon running shoes?
>>18683939according to some friends i have a 90's baggy clothes skater style. what sneakers should i buy? i mostly just wear converse and vans rn
>>18717747pro tip:use the jp/cm sizing on shoes instead of the us/uk sizing and you'll never have the ask that question because its an exact measurement in mm without as much variance brand to brand. you can use the difference to see how brands run compared to each other.theres still factors like the last shape and width but it makes the length a lot more of a constant than having to worry "does this brand run big/small?"
>>18717786chunky or narrow and pointy look the best with baggy pants. so pretty much what youre already doing. most improvements u could make prly come from the pants hem and how it sits if its not looking right.
Very basic but I just got a black/white NB 574s today bros.It's very nice so far.
>>18717788i bought some silvertabs and kikwear recently and converse/vans doesnt feel right with them idk
>>18717788>chunky or narrow and pointywould this not encapsulate all sneakers
Thinking of getting these New Balance 480s Numeric, are they a decent sneaker?
w2c some new black work sneakers? Have been wearing these ones from Beckett cinnamon for a few years and they're falling apart
thoughts?
Cop?
>>18718191I don't know
>>18718483Looks fucking ugly
>>18718505Its designed and constructed to be built like a sternum to trachea and lungs.The layers on the outer are muscle. The y on tongue are the sternum.The ribbed outer and lace closures are the ribs.They even designed it so the heel air bag unit was shaped like lungs. Which you cant even see.
my all black shoe grail nike x cdg air max 95
>>18718606what's so cdg about it
>>18718618>"the style’s signature rippled sidewall contours are crafted with extra foam and raw-hemmed textile for a deconstructed look, typical of Rei Kawakubo's iconic aesthetic."+ $350 retail price tag, dat gud cdg
42 bucks couldnt resist.
>>18717846Nope
>>18683939Looking for an everyday shoe that you can also wear to the gym. Trying to decide between low profile Samba types and the chunkier NBs. Should I get them in olive or just NPC white?
I got this pair of Merrell for free from a friend who doesn’t wear them for some reason. I think he has too many shoes already. They’re still as new. What the fuck am I gonna do with them? They’re so fucking ugly.
What sneakers in your experience smell the best? What smell the worst?
Got these on sale. R8
>>18719249Why did you take them in the first place?
>>18719266Pointless question. It’s not that I have to wear them in order to please him. I can do whatever I want. So, what do you think of them?
>>18718483I copped arriving Saturday. Got this to match too.
>>18683939Proably a top 3 sneaker of the year for me so far
>>18719288Well, they are really ugly and if I am not mistaken they have this kind of a vagina in the back too which isn’t really a redeemung factor either.
>>18719625The PUHH of Sauron.
>>18719249that kind of shit only works with baggy pants w/ 10"+ leg opening that cover most of the shoe and only leave the toes showing. on the bright side they probably look pretty good when worn that way, nice slim silhouette.
>>18717846most sneakers are in the middle, you want the extreme ends of the spectrum.
just ordered a pair of these, can't wait to get them
>>18720456hello 2015
Are these manchild tier
>>18720628Nah they are fine
>>18720628Yes of course
>>18683939I'm thinking of just not wearing shoes anymore. I feel ill be more in touch with nature of my bare feet carry me wherever my travels take me. Anyone relate?
>>18720628when paired with slim or normal fit pants, yes.when paired with baggy pants, no. >>18721022i used to go barefoot all the time until my city started having a heroin/fent needles littered everywhere problem.
