/balding/ and /finasteride/ general - hair is love, hair is life!Sticky: http://tuxbell.com/index.php/BaldingReminder that if you can clearly see down to your scalp when your hair is wet, your hair is thinning, lots of small new hairs sprouting at the hairline or crown is a sign of hair recession.Holy trinity:Tabs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FinasterideLotion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MinoxidilShampoo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KetoconazoleFinasteride/Dutasteride are 5-alpha reductase inhibitors that prevent free T from being converted to DHT, a byproduct of testosterone that serves no purpose after puberty but to choke out your hair follicles and make them thin out and die in a few short years, a condition known as androgenic alopecia.5ar inhibitors prevent your hair from getting any worse, mild regrowth is expected, rapid onset diffuse thinners see a significant recovery on fin alone. Can be taken orally or topically.5ARIs are not dosage dependent, taking as little as as 0.2mg daily fin can reduce serum DHT by 68%, while 5mg reduces by 72%.0.5mg daily dut reduces serum DHT by 95%, but is considered a second line treatment, and can be more expensive and harder to get prescribed. Start with fin.Fin has been used to treat benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH) for 30+ years, it's very well studied and is tolerated well in almost all men, however, there's a 1-2% risk of erectile issues in controlled studies.These can be avoided by reducing dosage, spacing out dosage, or stopping the drug. Fin takes days to fully bio-accumulate, the half life of fin is about 8 hours, adverse effects occuring within minutes of starting fin or persisting long after stopping fin are not real and have no basis in reality. Please note that dut has a much higher half-life of 5 weeks, if you're prone to fin sides, dut may cause them for far longer.Refer to https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3481923/ before responding to PFS trolls.
Minoxidil (liquid and tabs) is a vasodialator that opens potassium channels and widens blood vessels bringing nutrients to your hair follicles, stimulating them into thickening, accelerating growth and elongating the growth phase. Min is taken with fin to restore your hair to it's original hairline, thickness and vigor when hair loss is caught early enough, (pre-NW2). Can be taken orally or topically.Topical min does not work in 1/3 of men because they lack the required enzymes in their scalp, all men have this enzyme in their liver so the oral route is a good fallback.The FDA formulation for 5% liquid minoxidil is food safe (vape juice, ethanol and water) and can be safely taken orally if oral min tabs are expensive or rarely prescribed where you live. As a general rule, ~4 drops (0.1ml) = 5mg minoxidil.There's a 1-2% risk of fluid retention with higher oral dosages, start with the lowest dosage possible and work your way up when you're sure it's well tolerated.Ketoconazole is an anti-androgen and antifungal that inhibits DHT on the scalp and used to treat fungal infections of the scalp that may be making your hair loss worse such as seborrheic dermatitis, a condition where you exhibit severe greasy, flaky large dandruff flakes with dried yellow crystals (blood plasma) embedded in the scalp. Some people may only have traction alopecia (hair loss from scratching or friction), but it will not cure androgenic alopecia on it's own. Can only be taken topically.Do not use spirolactone. Spirolactone is a diuretic which, in large doses, inhibits testosterone and, by extension, DHT.It is regularly prescribed as an anti-androgen for male to female HRT, and thus, comes with an astronomically higher risk of sexual side effects in men including ED, gynecomastia, and can cause potassium toxicity.Previous thread: >>18680385
>>18689350That sucks man. This is why I never tell people the sides are a meme/placebo/will never happen. Severe sides like this are really rare, but they do happen and fuck people's shit up. Mild sides I think are more common than people realize, mainly because they're so mild that many don't notice, and many others find them to be so mild that they don't even think they're worth mentioning.I personally had the watery semen for a week or so that many people have, but even after that went away I kept some relatively mild lingering issues. Beard growth is a bit slower and less thick, haven't noticed the growth of any new beard hairs since I started. Libido went down a bit. Maybe some slight wiener shrinkage, I'm not really sure. Either way, I'm still on it and have been for years because I think the pros outweigh the cons. I think most people with hairloss should at least consider it and weigh the (very small) risk of severe sides for themselves.
>>18689458You are replying to a troll it is not biologically possible to signal the body to trigger the elimination of cellular tissue. The closest thing is atrophy which occurs from a lack of muscle usage and even then you would simply lose definition, not length. None of this applies to fin or, you would need to have some kind of spinal injury which prevents the literal use of your dick or such an extreme amount of HRT that your test levels are 0, which is the opposite of what fin does.
>>18689495not even hrt would cause 50% dick shrinkage
>>18689513It would actually cause zero so long as you continued to regularly use your dick
I've been on fin for a month, only 0.5mg/day. I have no sides other than my balls feel a bit tender and maybe a bit bigger. Anyone else get this? I wonder if it's having a paradoxical impact on my serum testosterone and in fact raising it, since i've been shooting cum further than usual.
>>18689549Free flowing test usually increases initially for a lot of people and levels out eventually
does anyone have any experience ordering finasteride from india or china?i found these sites on looksmax:skinoracalldaychemistreliablerxpharmacyindiamartit's much cheaper but i'm not sure if you need to send them a medical receipt? also not sure about using paypal or bank info on indian sites even if these sites are actually legit pharma sellers.
>>18689638Do not give CC/bank info to any of those sites. Use crypto if you can. You will also eventually get scammed by a vendor/have it seized at the border, so be prepared to have a backup supply and don't let your stockpile lapse. Why can't you get a legit prescription? The meds are quite cheap from costplusdrugs and a script will run you about $15 a year from amazon. I don't think it's worth saving a couple dollars to face all of these risks unless of course you live in some medically oppressive jurisdiction.
>>18689640bro, i dont know where you live, but in germany the 98 pills version with 1mg is like 80 euros.i can order 5mg version from india and its only half the price or so.
>>18689648Is it really worth saving $0.50 a day?
Why do you need finasteride to be cheaper? The cost is basically negligible. Buy 5mg and split them into quarters if you really need to save money.
My God why didn't I start Fin at 18, my worst nightmare has come to reality.
>>18689659i mean i also pirate games that are like 5$ on steam>>18689662i dont wanna finance the pharmajew in my country
>>18689664You are paying for safety and reliability instead of illegal indian mystery pills which you have zero recourse with following a bad experience. Do you think someone willing to help you break the law is above selling you fakes or diluted ones?>muh generics have no profit margin to be worth fakingLook at the fake minoxidil epidemic lol.
>>18689673its not illegal tho? they dont need doctors receipt in india and they just sell it to the international market.its more of a grey market.also they are not random sellers, i doubt they would sell fake products when the legit pills are produced in india and its literally dirt cheap there.
>>18689678It is illegal to falsify a customs declaration and import a perscription drug which has not been inspected and tested by your drug administration. Without a doctor writing you that perscription you are guilty of quite a few offenses. You can't just aquire medications on your own behalf because a doctor in your country once wrote you a perscription. Its not grey, its straight up illegal in the EU.
>>18689678Also finasteride is not legal in India without a perscription, so your reputable doctors are either breaking the law or are in fact more likely not even doctors at all.
anons i am going to be so real with you. I have always been a faggot and hated losing my hair. I was on fin but it was an uphill battle and so slow. Eventually i cracked and am now microdosing estrogen as well. Look, you can call me a tranny (am not, will never change pronouns, crossdress, or change name, etc etc), I don't care. But I want to say is this shit works. Incredible results. I'm regaining hair at double the rate i was previously. I only say this out of sympathy for my fellow men. Yes I am aware this is frowned upon. Yes I am aware there are many side effects. However, if losing your hair would make you actually kill yourself and nothing else works, chemical eunuchhood is the nuclear option. Just bank your sperm first. And use injections, pills melt your liver.
>>18689638I order everything from indiamart and have had no issues at all but I live in the US. If you live in germany it might get seizedhttps://looksmax.org/threads/read-before-buying-from-indiamart-for-eu-countries.1733190/
>>18689638finasteride is already stupid cheap, like $52 a year shipped from cost plus and a $30 prescription from amazon's telehealth, I'm sure you spend more than that on stupid shit.
>>18689683It depends on the drug. For example you need a prescription to get melatonin in the UK but it's not illegal to import for personal use, similarly for more serious drugs like bupropion
>>18689458this biologically impossible, you dolt. if you think your dick shrunk, then you have ED in some form.
>>18689907weird, i have ordered all type of illegal stuff from fake money to guns, ammunition, drugs, etc. from outside eu and never really had problems. that was 6 years ago tho >>18689909why you americans talk like you have the standard as in the eu? wtf is even amazons telehealth>>18689683at most you get a fine, that's about it. i had enough to do with law in my teenage years
>>18689918>you need a prescription to get melatonin in the UKdo bongs really?
>>18689982The point is not having a steady supply of fin and having to take a risk every time you need to refill opposed to just getting it legally.
>>186901371 package with 5mg is enough for like 1 year or so, i probably wont even need 1mg daily, so?im not paying 80 euro for 98 1mg pills, i would rather go bald then
>>18690209The point is that the risk to reward in buying such a cheap drug gray market doesn't make much sense, maybe for HRT and steroids and maybe even dutasteride but why fin?
>>18690209Just ask your doctor for 5mg to be quartered to save money?
Does anyone feel anxiety on fin? Started taking for like a 1 month and some sides i've gotten are less morning wood and slightly less horniness. But one major thing I noticed is the sensation of being nervous like you have an exam the next day. Even when I'm not stressed, I sense a slight tingling of anxiety. Will this go away with time? Is this a nocebo?
>>18689449Newbie question here. So i dont understand why seeing baby hairs newly grown is a bad thing. Isn't that what you would want to see if you were starting these hair loss interventions?
>>18689449We are all reversing our norwoods. Our norwoods do not define us. We're all gonna make it bros.
>>18690272If you see new baby hairs on treatment, it's a good sign. If you see baby hairs without treatment, the hairs are shrinking due to DHT and will eventually disappear.
>>18690282Ok, and by baby hairs i mean short ones at my hairline
>>18690294If you saw those before you got on treatment, that means those follicles are still alive and could be saved by the combination of finasteride (or dutasteride) and minif small hairs appear where you didn't see them before, that means they are recovering on treatment
>>18690263No these are all psychological problems, not physical ones brought on by meds.
>>18690263My nervousness on fin stemmed from my fear of being a non-responder or thinking that I would still slowly thin out, and my regret in not starting sooner. Years later, I don't have a NW1, but I'm surprised how much my hairline and crown filled in.
>>18690263That’s a recognized side effect of these meds. Since you have other side effects on top of the mental one (which is already bad enough on its own), it might be time to go back to your doctor and check what’s going on.
>>18690503>>18690361>>18690263Say these things to yourself before going to bed and first thing waking up, ideally throughout the day whenever you remember."I am a positive responder to finasteride" "I am free from all negative side effects""My hair is thick and fuck and healthy"Trust me this sounds woo woo BS hippie crap BUT IT WORKS!!
>>18689449>holy trinity>KetoconazoleIt barely does anything and can in fact result in a net loss for your hair because it causes hairs to be more fragile and prone to breakage, so you end up with less visible density even if it miraculously restored 5 follicles total on your whole head. Absolute meme of a treatment. The actual 3rd best thing after min and fin should be tret to boost topical min coversion to its active form in the scalp, everything else that's isn't a transplant you might as well not bother with.
>>18690209>would rather go bald than spent 25 yuro/monthWhat poverty does to a mf
>>18690554Which is tragic really. Having a full head of hair should be a universal right.
>>18690715The worst korean prime minister (or maybe it was the prime minister I can't remember) said hair is literally a matter of survival in sk now.
>>18690553>because it causes hairs to be more fragile and prone to breakageTrue, but damaged hair doesn't mean worsening AGA. Bleaching hair damages it but Cody Rhodes has been dying his NW1 for decades at this point and it's still a NW1.Personally, I find that even if Nizoral (1% keto) doesn't do much, it serves to prevent other scalp conditions that genuinely can lead to hair fall or dandruff/psoriasis. I also pair it with the Nizoral conditioner, they formulate it so that it both conditions the hair after the harshness of their shampoo, and doesn't wash out the medication. I still agree that 5AR inhibitors are the gold standard and minoxidil is the best hair growth stimulant, anything else is far below these.
>>18689449I don't want to live in Norwood anymore. Let me out.
VDPHL01 might honestly be the first drug since Propecia approved for hair loss in the US. I do wish they used the same dose as oral minoxidil (5mg), but I guess it doesn't make sense for them since the whole reason they can dose higher is that they avoid the hypertension effects of oral minoxidil.
>>18690850https://ir.veradermics.com/static-files/11e390e1-936f-4c55-abad-ed8e2df25870Here's the whole presentation.
ive been on fin for 4 years and my hair remains thin on my crown. my hairline is intact, albeit thinning corners, but the real problem is my crown. I do weekly ketoconazole, I do daily scalp massage, daily oral finasteride 1mg. It just remains thin, I have to do a combover for it to look normal. Do i really have to start minoxidil if I want it to thicken up? I don't like the idea of putting shit on my head everyday, and I am hesitant to do oral because of the potential side effects with the heart. I don't really wanna start dutasteride either.
>>18690968realistically next choice is dut if you dont wanna do minoxidil. should be fine if you tolerate fin
>>18690850>>18690851why is it showing topical min is superior to oral min? i thought every study shows otherwise and the reason why they even developed slow release oral minoxidil is because its superior in terms of efficacy but worse side effects
>>18691006https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38031516/this study shows that 5% topical performed similarly to 1mg oral
I miss the morning wood bros
>>18690968Fin will just freeze your hairline and prevent further loss in the vast majority of cases, you shouldn't realistically expect more, it happens rarely.>Do i really have to start minoxidil if I want it to thicken up?Yes, and don't expect miracles either, most people will see just a little growth. Now you know why everyone is saying getting on fin asap is critical.
>>18689449Been buying a ball of faux hair every month or so to mix into with my balding spot to make it look more full is this a long term solution?
>>18691160At that point you should get a wig. Meds tend to work better on the crown than the hairline so consider them. It only gets worse without treatment.
These seems like a lot of time and effort for very little ROI
>>18691169theyre pills/tablets you take once daily
how to get oral min in eu? Doctor said I can't get it for hair
>>18691161Synthetic hair looks weird, and a wig made of human hair is very creepy.I've talked about meds with my doctor, but she doesn't want to give them to me. So I'm stuck with the hair balls
>>18690553It helps my dandruff
Is the strait of Hormuz thing going to make fin and min inaccessible? I would literally rather die than go bald.I have maybe a year's worth of supply but this could go on for a while
>>18691218you can always castrate yourself if you run out of fin
Do serums work?
>>18691225What kind of serum were you looking at
>>18691195Take topical liquid min orally, it's in the OP.>>18691218No it might just cost more due to oil prices being tied to shipping costs. If you are using one of those big telehealth companies then it's almost a 0% chance, they will source fin no matter what, too much money on the line.
>>18691225No. Only fin/dut/min work. Take 1mg fin and 2.5mg+ oral min daily. That's all you need for the rest of your life.
Neat how switching to oral dut feels nicer than oral fin which is shit. Is there a good theory why dut feels better for a lot of guys who feel terrible on fin?
>>18690968With 4 years you have peaked with fin results. min within 2.5 - 5mg oral is nothing to be afraid of. The dosages for hair loss are far lower than what is used to treat hypertension (10 - 40mg) which is where the drug starts affecting heart rate primarily. Low dose oral min is safe to take indefinitely and well tolerated with a side effect incidence rate around the 1% at low doses.
>>18691333Feel terrible how? Dut is essentially just a stronger version, any problems on fin would realistically be amplified on dut. Maybe nocebo?
>>18691343fin molecules can pass the blood brain barrier while dut molecules cannot
>>18691363I get that but the moa is the same. Is the reduction in DHT not attributed to side effects or am I missing something? No pfs pseudoscience pls
Is microneedling worth the extreme pain?
>>18691423>microneedling>extreme pain it feels good man. Or at least at 1.0mm and below with a stamp rather than a roller it does.
>>18691423>>18691462Ya i dont believe you are supposed to feel extreme pain, you're supposed to feel the needles, but they aren't supposed to really hurt at all. I would not apply too much pressure
>>18689449I'm on 0.5mg dut a day and I'm still diffuse thinning, albeit much, much slower than a I was previously. Been on for about 18 months now.
>>18691484Bump up the dose or consider minoxidil.
So you’re telling me I could potentially spend thousands of dollars slathering foam on my head only to find out 6 weeks later that it didn’t do shit?
>>18691522Minoxidil doesn't cost thousands of dollars, that's the only topical that matters - topical androgen antagonists are inferior to oral 5AR inhibitors. If after 2 months of minoxidil you see no change, you would need to add a topical retinoid to the scalp because you don't have enough sulfotransferase in your scalp. Alternatively, you can get an oral minoxidil prescription.
>>18691522where do you live where minoxidil foam costs thousands of dollarsalso it's more like 6 months lmao
>>18691526alternatively, he can just take 4-8 drops of 5% topical liquid minoxidil a day, way cheaper
>>18691522If you go the liquid route, a 6 month supply can be found on amazon for ~$30 if you're a burger. The foam is supposed to work a little better, yeah, but it's not worth the price difference to me personally.
>>18691423The benefits are marginal
Has anyone had success with tretinoin?
>>18691598I used it before topical minoxidil for the anti-aging benefits, so when I started using minoxidil I applied it to the scalp along with face + neck. I can say that I'm a responder to the topical min, but there's no way of knowing whether or not I would have been one without tret besides cessation (and I'm not going to sacrifice my gains trying).
Do you guys comb or brush your hair?
>>18691773Both.
am i correct to assume that the vast majority of people on fin and min for hairloss and don't get sides are not on any forums or posting about it online? based purely on the vocal minority principle. i'm pepping myself up to start 1mg fin and 3mg fin next week to treat approaching nw3 at 34 years old after a year of contemplation and anxiety about side effects
>>18691801Yes, you are absolutely correct. And anyone who gets significant regrowth fucks off from hair loss discussion on the internet, since it isn't exactly a fun space.
>>18691773Only Italian
>>18690850Anyone have an estimate when this will be available for purchase?
>>18691773Seems to me you have no reason to brush unless it’s very long and thick
>>18691801Anecdotally, I and all my 4 brothers have used fin and min with no sides at all. I stopped but more because of health anxiety I’ve always had rather than any sides.
I can’t believe this shit hasn’t been cured yet
>>18692012I'm gonna go ahead and blame the jews like I always do.
>>18692012It likely won't ever be without at least some form of surgical implantation whether that be stem cell follicles or lab grown hair. We will get better at treating it but there will never be a 1 pill 1 time solution, its not how biology works unfortunately.
>>18691801Not getting sides is heavily in your favor. Worst case just quit and go bald, literally nothing to lose by trying right now.
>>18691571The foam is actually WORSE for use on any hairstyle besides a buzz. It really doesn't spread well and most of it will end up in your hair rather than your scalp. The only benefit it has over liquid is faster drying and the lack of PG which is found in liquid and irritates some peoples scalps.
>>18692034That's a good point too. I was referring to studies showing a slight difference in efficacy, but the reality is they were probably focusing on measuring super thin areas of the crown and people with buzz cuts to ensure they were reliably touching the scalp. For many of us in the real world, that simply won't be applicable.
It's near the 6 months mark for me and my balls still hurt. I think I'm gonna stop using fin.
>>18692078are you sure it's balls? i have radiating pain into my right testicle due to back issues and the pain at times is indistinguishable
>>18692096Yes, I have penile pain from time to time as well.
well, that's one way to advertise
>>18689638i've used alldaychemist a ton with no issues. just sucks bc it takes a few weeks
>>18692157He looks pretty good on the right desu
Anyone got any knowledge on using topical minoxodil safely with cats jumping around your house and into sinks and shit?
>>18692227Just don't touch your wet scalp and touch a cat or let a cat lick your scalp. I didn't even know min was poisonous for the first year and nothing ever happened to my cat, and thats with zero awareness.
let's f'n go lads
>>18692227not safe at allyou WILL kill one of more of your cats eventuallystop being a pussy and get on oral
>>18692259I'm scared of oral min desu. Also the water retention
>>18692227Use the foam, it dries quickly (<20min) and then you can wash it off. Ideally you would wash it off after 4 hours though, if you can manage it.
>>18692258Any sides?
>>18692227If you insist on topical min, the bathroom should become an absolute no go zone for the cat and you should be changing your pillow daily right after waking up if you're falling asleep with min on. Treat it like a loaded gun with a kid in the house.
>>18692434>>18692227>>18692256>>18692259Why is everyone tripping about this now? Ive been on topical min for like the past 2 years at least and haven't done any of that. I still wash my hands after doing it but is this some sort of new meme or something lol? Im guessing you're making fun of redditors or something?
Is it okay to wash your hair with water between 2 or 3 shampoo washes a week
>>18692441lol yes? as long as it's not scalding water, why not. wash your hair, stinky
>>18692436As I said I didn't even know it was poisonous to cats and despite that with zero forethought it never came into contact and got poisoned. In other words it doesn't matter just don't be a retarded slob.
>>18690263I didn't think there was anything to this when I first read your post, but after looking things up, I don't think it's a nocebo. Search "DHT anxiety", "DHT GABA", "3α-Androstanediol anxiety", etc.
>>18689449I was Norwood 3 when I started college, 8 years later I'm now Norwood 5(or whatever picrel is, its the closest to my hair if I let it grow). Is there hope for treatment if it took that long to progress 2 stages for me? Always shaved my head because I like how I look bald but I miss the customization aspect that having hair gave me.
>>18692538hair transplant and meds
>>18692538There was a NW5 anon here last thread or the one before who was getting a huge amount of regrowth in 3 months. You can get lucky and return a lot of density and just be a balding guy forever, instead of explicitly bald.
>>18692490I think it's just a meme because people on reddit were freaking out about this.
>>18692595Unfortunately baldies will twist whatever they can into fearmongering. They would mandate shaved heads if they could.
>>18692605Sounds like typical malding cope. If only they had hopped on fin earlier. Very bleak.
I wanna know if any of you easily influenced topical fin/dut losers have ever actually seen any halting of your hair loss, the efficacy of oral/ fin/dut is really only appreciable in timespans of months to years, who the FUCK is gonna stick with a regimen of smearing unproven shit on their head for that long with no real improvement.
how much truth is there to oral min causing facial bloat?
>>18692614I've been blasting 12mg oral min for 2 years and 2 months and I never noticed facial bloating stemming from oral min use, not even once.
>>18692617are you lean /fit/?
>>18692614edema is a possible side effect, but not a given.
>>18692631bmi 20, when doing omad on and off you kinda learn to spot facial bloating and water retention from eating carb/sodium heavy meals, but i never experienced facial bloating on oral min alone.
>>18692617>blastingYou mean taking?You guys talk like total dumbshits.>Yeah bruh I BLASTED that pill and SPAMMED water and fucking HAIRMAXXED shit was EPIC!You are a joke to me.
>>18692658wait till you find out people here are ingesting straight liquid minoxidil
>>18692605>They would mandate shaved heads if they could.And yet a shaved NW1 looks much more flattering than a shaved NW7 cueball, kek.
>>18692614it happened to me but only lasted a week or two when i first started, not even noticeable really only to myself
Been recovering from traction alopecia for about a year now exactly, by practicing low/no tension & manipulation, as well as using a homemade tincture of rosemary, tea tree, oregano, castor, saw palmetto, and fenugreek oils (jojoba as carrier). Just completed my last trim before embarking on my Sisterlocks journey next week :)
>>18692791Nice work sis...but you could have stopped using high tension hair styles + topical minoxidil, all that "natural" stuff does is affect your hair shafts which are already dead keratinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl7wuTMontY
>>18692804I am aware. I have used minoxidil in the past and had much success… too much. It made me grow a beard and sideburns…even on the “female” dosage. Weekly dermaplaning to counteract that effect was doing me more harm than good. I did put a moderate amount of effort into researching my ingredients to make something that should at least be slightly more effective than a placebo. I’m not any sort of scientist and haven’t actually attempted a study, but this is the healthiest and thickest my hair and scalp has ever been. So in my purely anecdotal and uneducated opinion, I feel the natty route was a good idea. If you’re interested in the sciencey part:•Carrier oil:I chose Jojoba as it is very similar to human sebum, and should carry any fat soluble molecules deeper into the skin and hair. (1) details a formulation for synthetic sebum utilizing jojoba esters as an ingredient •RosemaryFresh leaves, ground to a fine paste in a mortar. Stimulates blood flow to scalp, may provide similar benefits to minoxidil on Alopecia Areata (2). •Tea treeEssential oil, 10-15 drops per 4oz jojoba oil. No source for this one, but I have seborrheic dermatitis and was recommended by my dermatologist to combat flaking (in addition to my Dupixent injection). I have significantly less dandruff using tea tree oil and shampoo. •Oregano:Another clarifying agent as I use several hair products and hate buildup (3). •Jamaican Black Castor OilCertified hood classic. Been using it all my life, so no source again but when I don’t have access to my JCBO I split like crazy. TOO LONG…Links:(1) https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1468-2494.2008.00468.x(2) https://openurl.ebsco.com/EPDB%3Agcd%3A9%3A37990025/detailv2?sid=ebsco%3Aocu%3Arecord&id=ebsco%3Agcd%3A101769730&bquery=IS%202228-5105%20AND%20VI%204%20AND%20IP%204%20AND%20DT%202015&page=1(3) https://skindrone.com/articles/oregano-oil-and-seborrheic-dermatitis-examining-the-science/
>>18692791Cont’d…>>18692811•Saw Palmetto and Fenugreek:May inhibit DHT. (4)Links:(4) https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1089/jmf.2021.0156
>>18692804Also, this is what I mean by my hair is the healthiest it’s been (picrel from b4 trim, would post results of that but I haven’t washed it and need to go to work soonish). It used to be in a very sad state for pretty much my entire life, so this relatively unimpressive styling was a “eureka” moment for me… hence the cringe video I made (and set to private)
>>18692811>>18692816>>18692818You got facial hair even on the 2% women's topical min? You must be hyper sensitive to minoxidil. And your ingredients are good for your kinky hair texture, but the follicles are what are damaged in your specific type (traction alopecia), that causes the follicles to become scarred and dead in the most severe cases, and it's different from androgenetic alopecia or alopecia areata, so anything that helps those isn't strictly necessary. Your loose curls look great though, so whatever you're doing is working.
>>18692828Yeah, I do have PCOS so I do naturally grow a bit darker facial hair than most women. But not to the point where I’d need to dermaplane my entire face regularly. Also, you’re right about the follicles being the problem for this kind of hair loss. When I tried Minoxidil a couple years ago, it was for Alopecia Areata in the back of my head/neck area instead of traction-related loss at the hairline. I would absolutely attribute most of the improvement to not constantly abusing my hair/scalp, improving diet/hygiene, and figuring out my own ways to handle my unique texture, as I’m a halfbreed and what works well for either side does not necessarily for me.
>>18692436>Why is everyone tripping about this now? Ive been driving without a seatbelt for like the past 2 years at least and haven't died in a crash.Look Anon I'm not gonna explain the concept of risk management to you, you're either high IQ enough to get it or not. Cats are different, people are different. Some cats don't lick anything and are not as sensitive, some topical min users spill little to no product. On the other hand there have been cases of cats knocking a loosely closed min bottle over the counter and licking the shit out the resulting death puddle, then dying. Use your head.
How important is being lean while being on fin? I tried it a while ago while overweight and had some bad sides, hoping being more lean will minimize those
>>18693124How fat are you?I was 200lbs (bmi of 25) when I started fin, your sides were almost certainly psychosomatic.
>>18693131I was about 95-100kg at the time, i'm now at 90 but hope to go to 70 or less before restarting. 5 ft 11>psychosomaticI experience things like weaker erections while off fin but its usually sporadic. With fin it seemed near consistent and significantly weaker
>>18693138a lot of what constitutes ED is entirely psychological and rooted in anxiety, you probably didn't actually have any erectile issues.You are extremely susceptible to psyopping yourself, when you feel ready to restart fin, don't keep looking up other people's experiences, people who are satisfied and not experiencing issues will not constantly post updates and voice their fears online, in fact, they'll probably just stop posting on hair loss forums completely except only to mog on fence sitters too scared to start.
does anyone watch haircafe? i started taking fin because of his videos, but unsure if the research he quotes is accurate
>>18693339he's legit, all his videos are backed by clinical data. he does fear monger about oral minoxidil but there ARE clinical cases of serious heart side effects even if ultra rare, and oral minoxidil is about to be completely depreciated as a treatment in favor of vdphl01 in like a year anyway.
>>18693341that's good to hear. i actually stopped taking 2.5 mg of oral min because my chest felt like an elephant was sitting on it, but maybe cause i was taking it at night. I just bought the topical liquid version, don't wanna take any chances with cardiovascular health
>>18693343Topical min still goes systemic. Around 1mg worth per application. Should just split your oral dose in half and take it hours apart
There’s no shame in going bald
>>18692434You should do the same with dogs. If you read the study, the dogs got into the garbage which means they were likely medium to large sized dogs, so they were much more resilient to the effects due to their BMI as compared to a cat. Still, a small breed or a puppy should be treated exactly the same way as you'd treat a cat. Even then, is it worth the vet bill of having your dog taken care of potentially for several nights or longer, the drugs, the boarding, the IVs, the blood tests, etc. just because you know there's a fairly solid chance they won't die and are "just" going to be pretty sick for a while? That shit is costly as fuck. Not worth it.
>>18693452the worst part of being bald aside from how it changes the framing of your face is that you can kind of look generic. sure grow a beard, but that's become every baldie's move so even that looks generic.
>>18693341They need to hurry that shit up. I want to get off oral minox because I am starting to get tachy from it. That's the whole reason I stopped taking Fin.
>>18693452my shame is that I told myself as a teenager I wouldn't cope when I started balding since I knew it was inevitable given my family history (well, my initial cope was hoping hat I would magically not inherit the baldness gene)then when I started losing hair and getting an M shaped hairline, I did styling tricks even though deep down I knew I needed treatment then. At the end of it, the real shame is knowing that my shit hair genes need treatment for life.
>>18693452This. It literally does not make a difference in your life if you're bald or not. Just wish I'd understood that like ten years earlier, so I wouldn't have been so stressed all through my twenties.
>>18691801I've been on fin for 2.5 years and no sides. I think my hair either stabilized or only regrew subtly (whether I see an improvement depends on the day and haircut so I'm not sure), so don't expect a miracle. I only wish I started earlier to save more of my hair. The first week, I thought I felt weird, but I think it was just in my head from all the stories I was reading here. It then just became part of my morning routine where I pop the pills before breakfast and then don't think about it.
>>18693452Saving your hair is less maintenance and cheaper than shaving it
>>18693501No it does matter when you're young. Younger women will not date baldcels. However, as you get older, most women realize that most men go bald, so they have no choice but to accept it
>>18693341Is it really likely to be out in a year? What's the price gonna be I wonder
>>18693541I have been on fin for one year now and it was very similar for me. Never experienced any sides, but first three days on it I felt different. Not worse or better, just different. And since then nothing to report at all, except hairloss stopped and some started regrowing lol.I think most of us end up wishing we started taking it earlier, once we actually take it and see that its no big deal. Sure it sucks for people who are in the minority and actually get side effects, but men get way too scared and don't dare to even try it, even if it is very likely they could take fin without any issues.
>>18693615Very expensive as it has been patented. I also don't see the logic behind the extended release formulation. Their sales pitch is basically that the peak plasma concentration of min from the current oral min options does not correlate to hair growth and the short duration is inadequate compared to a longer duration but way lower plasma concentration. I've seen enough testimonials to know that the peak min level is very relevant to regrowth. If this wasn't true 1.25mg would be as effective as 5mg+, which is observably untrue. The concentration in the bloodstream is the driving force not the duration, all oral min doses level out after 4 hours, it never had to do with the duration! Could it be better, maybe? But these guys are very shady and purposely misleading people on how to interpret oral min data.
>>18693339he’s the textbook definition of a midwit and has turned cherry picking into an art form
>>18693635You are far more likely to experience unwanted hair growth on areas outside of your scalp with doses exceeding 1.25mg-2.5mg. This is because the peak concentration of minoxidil is what matters, not the duration. It is able to reach more follicles with a higher initial concentration not a longer duration, all oral min dosages have roughly the same duration, but not the same initial levels, this is objectively true. Please take VDPHL01 with a big old grain of salt.
>>18693635i'm not sure they can make it too expensivesince it's a cosmetic drug no insurance is going to pay for it so it has to be out of the pocketplus the outcome of regular or oral minox is basically the same as this new versionits a bit more plus lower chance of sidesso its only for people who can't tolerate oral or it's none effective topicalotherwise nobody would pay a lot more just to have a very minor increasement in density it's not like it solves the root cause of baldness nor does it work particularly better for lets say templesso they better make it cheap maybe not as cheap as normal minox but at least its more safe and convenientcompared to topical/normal oralotherwise i can't see the broader market buying this
>>18693664Regular oral minoxidil will be FAR superior.
>>18693635>>18693644>Could it be better, maybe? Even if the ER formulation is not superior at the same dosage, you have the test subjects using 8.5mg twice a day (17mg daily) with no adverse effects. Nobody will prescribe you 17mg daily of oral minoxidil for hair loss, that dosage is well into dangerous territory.
>>18693664rogaine was literally $50/mo in 1988 when it was first released
>>18693748nta and I agree with you that this shit is going to be expensive as fuck for like 12 years or w/e until its available generic, but the alternative to rogaine back then was fucking nothing. at least in burgerland, no generic minoxidil could legally be sold until 1996. on the other hand, the alternative to this new meme minoxidil is regular dirt cheap minoxidil that doesn't seem to perform much worse. they can get away with making it way more expensive compared to generic min for a while, but it also won't be anywhere near a rogaine situation.
>>18693745It doesn't matter how much you take per day if the serum concentration stays low. Results scale exponentially with the initial dose, there is so much empirical data supporting this. 17mg isn't even particularly high, low dose ends at 10mg, high would be 20-40. Doses that high are redundant anyway, there are only so many follicles which need stimulating before you start affecting other areas of the body.
I brain blasted myself into taking fin at 25, and have been on/off for months at a time ever since. Pretty sure I've just always had an enormous forehead, and it was just bad haircuts around the time that emphasized my hairline. I spent way too long trying to uncover some sort of scientific miracle on the far reaches of the internet, and not enough time learning to just buy some styling powder/hair gel and part my hair slightly differently. I don't know that I really needed finnasteride to begin with, but I figured I would rather be depressed as a side effect, with hair, than be depressed as a side effect of losing my hair. And of course if it hurt my libido any, that's time probably better spent elsewhere. The best effect of fin is just the peace of mind, to feel like at least you aren't running out of time on your way to becoming megamind
>>18693791alright fair now justify those glasses at 24 for me.
Having a sick beard is probably the obvious fallback but I'm a 5'6 skeleton and my head is shaped like a balloon, it looked goofy as hell in person. One of my best friends went off the deep end convincing himself he was balding worse/faster than me and tried to double-dose minoxidil and rogaine, ended up making his hair fall out instead, and he crashed out of his relationship and job in some whacky spiral. Nobody else saw what he did, he just got obsessed.I'd get obsessed opening my phone camera or seeing my ugly ass reflection on a screen and thinking I was hideous, even after I got comfortable enough that I felt 'good looking' most of the time. It took that much to start realizing I was fixated the same way my friend was, getting mentally ill about it.Try getting bangs, try a center part, try parting just around the widow's peak, try it yelled up or swept to the side, keep the hair in the receded corners a bit longer so that when they're loose they cover your forehead/temples, and if you comb it back they tuck around your sideburns and make your hairline look a lot lower.Eventually, also, just.. get comfortable with it not staying perfectly in place all the time. Feels like we made up looksmaxxing because body dysmorphia sounds too gay. At the end of the day you just have to find something you're happy with, and constant-maintenance is doesn't make room for much peace.
>>18693791First of all, I'm happy that you were able to navigate through the BS and ended up taking Finasteride. The vast majority of people who take that first step realize that there was nothing to be afraid of, and that bald men really just want to create other miserable bald people. >Pretty sure I've just always had an enormous foreheadBut no, dude, no. You can have the onset of AGA even at like 12 years old. Find a picture of yourself as a literal kid, single digit age, you won't have that M shaped hairline. Robert Pattinson has a large forehead, but his hairline at the temples is completely intact. He's not balding. Look at how close his temporal points are to his eyebrows. For you at 19, you had temporal recession, AKA genetic baldness. Ask yourself, if you _always_ had a large forehead, why is it getting BIGGER over the years, why is the M shape more prominent instead of stabilizing? Because AGA is progressive. Robert's hairline has stayed the same since he acted as a 20 year old in Twilight to now.
>>18693791>>18693808Another comparison. You see how Rob's temple edge forms a straight line from the tail end of his eyebrows, dipping slightly INTO his forehead? While at 19 the frontal edge of your hairline at the temples has receded further away from your eyebrows? That is textbook baldness. It's harder to see in pictures since you lose the 3d aspect of a human head, but the anterior position of the temple hair is the easiest way to spot a typical Norwood pattern. Which is why you often see the Norwood scale represented with bird's eye/profile view. Anyway, how much you care about this doesn't matter, as you are styling your hair to look like a NW1 anyway. But hey, the wind and rain exists.
>>18693800I always disliked my appearance so much that I would try a new 'costume' every year, lean into some sort of trope, try out being 'that guy', and a lot of it was comically bad-on-purpose. I felt like I had to make myself look like a joke, to signal to other people that I didn't care what I looked like, or something, even though I did. Maybe so they wouldn't hit me where it hurts. If I tried to look like cool-handsome-guy but the wind fucked up my hair and suddenly I looked like a 70s schoolyard voyeur, it felt a lot worse than just.. always looking bad. >>18693809My forehead (head in general) was pretty fuckin weird looking. I'll stop doxxing myself now. My hairline was always at the very top of my head where it starts to curve back, so I guess it didn't need to recede that much by 25 for me to start noticing that when I lean on my desk and touch my forehead, it's the fucking top of my skull now, wtf happened..I think it's probably also a major factor on my own acceptance that I'm 33 now, my hairline fits my perception of myself. When I was in my 20s, I was extremely insecure about looking 10 years older.. but if you can stop the receding early enough, at least in 5 or 10 years you'll just look normal.
>>18693817Ahh yes, I've definitely had the temples recede more noticeably than the corners. They're pretty sunken so it casts a weird shadow in some lighting, drove me insane.
>>18693820>>18693821True, you did have a very convex/tall looking forehead even as a kid. There is a lot of variation in natural, unreceded male hairlines. Robert Pattinson has a high forehead, but Brad Pitt before he started losing hair (in his 50s, lucky guy) had a very low forehead and temples. His temples here had more hair than I did at 8 years old. >I think it's probably also a major factor on my own acceptance that I'm 33 now, my hairline fits my perception of myself. This is honestly when I realized that these drugs work and thanked myself for using them. Watching all the people that had better hair than me end up with worse hairlines over the years. It sounds like schadenfreude, and part of it is, but I'm glad to have taken drugs when I did. Best time is always sooner though, lol.
We're all gonna make it bros
>>18693839i'm not
>>18693842Why not? Don't give up. What copes have you tried
>>18693843my hair's too far gone for anything but a hair system at this point
Why are niggers the only race that can make bald work?
>>18693846If you lost a lot within recent years you can claw back some with Fin and min sometimes. A hair loss doc explained as much to me and said he'd recommend all patients 1-2 years of that before getting transplants
>>18693851i've been on dut and min since late 2024 and have had little regrowth
>>18693850Because their standard hair texture looks bad on guys when grown past half an inchConversely, they have a whole culture of mocking bad hairlines for that reason, as they can't do a fringe to hide any recession
>>18693850their dark skin helps hide the horseshoe shadow
>>18693850Wide/broad features/jaw but also compact face, small skull helps too. Whites tends to have longer/thinner faces and features which is what makes the shaved head look so bad. Picrel has a weak jaw but still pulls it off, so it's not just 1 feature to make or break it.
>>18693881same skull on a white guy
>>18693888Billy looked great with hair. It's fucked up that we Caucasians all end up NW2-3 by 25 when we need hair the most.
>>18693893Yeah but he doesn't look bad as a bald guy either, just different. If you don't have a round little peanut head you're probably going to take a massive hit to your attractiveness.
>>18693888>>18693893>>18693896I can't believe I'm saying this, but he unironically looks better bald here. He looks like a giant poofer with the long frilly red hair. I also just think he looks surprisingly good with the shaved head so that doesn't help the disparity either.
>>18693937I think he looks better too but its subjective. Too bad he's an extreme outlier in a very small list of bald guys.
>>18693943Yeah, I just meant my own perspective as a straight guy. For women and gay guys especially I'm sure they'll have radically different takes.
>>18693850
>>18694013>hairecafeexplains a lot huh
>>18694013I forgot he used to be a chud kek.
>>18694052he's always been a leftoid cuck.
>>18693850Because it's so common you don't see it as anomaly. Afro hair is so shit most black men choose to either shave it or keep it very short to begin with. When they go bald, you don't notice a difference. Also black skin hides blemishes better I guess.
I don't know whether to take 3mg fin a week or 3.5mg. Probably won't make much difference.>take 1mg/dayNo>use dutLet me see if fin works, i'm only 6 weeks in
>>18694255Might as well not take it at all if you can't commit to the universally prescribed dosage. It won't work and you will become one of those anti-fin shills, leaving out the one caveat that you didn't take it as directed.
>>18694013please tell me this is fake, no way fin turns people turn into jewish faggots
>>18694299There are doctors who prescribe 3mg a week, and doses as low as 0.2mg a day have shown to be effective. The "universally prescribed dosage" was plucked out of thin air because it's a round number.
>>18694340No there aren't you fucking retard. Stop regurgitating the fantasies of people too afraid to take a fucking pill once a day.>blah blah blah>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10495375/just shut up dude you are setting yourself for failure like the rest of you microdosers
>>18694255Well you could take 1mg finasteride every other day for about 6 months and see if that gets you anywhere. You can always switch to 1mg every day after that if you are still losing hair and you do not have any side effects. Whatever you do, don't go switching around dosage every week but stick with something.
>>18694377End your pathetic life.
how retarded would it be to take 15mg of oral minoxidil a day?
Minoxidil makes my scalp itchy
>>18694437You won't grow back your teenage hair even with 30mg a day. Just like how 2.5mg Dutasteride daily doesn't bring all the scalp hair back There are limits.>>18694516Foam or liquid?
>>18694518liquid
>>18694527You might be reacting to the propylene glycolin the liquid, give the foam a try, else use oral minoxidil
>>18693855Clascoterone which should release next year will help you a bit
picking up 1mg fin and 3mg min from the pharmacy today. should i split min tablets in two to begin with? i'm not sure if 3mg is high or not.
>>18694806Its about average. You can split and take your doses 4 hours apart until you're comfortable doing the entire thing. Min is very short acting and 4 hours will return you to baseline.
>>18694437Its overkill you will experience diminishing returns because of hypertrichosis
It's finally been a year, and I'm still gaining groundgood shit boys
>>18694952Well done! Enjoy your healthy looking hairline bro
>>18694952other side is nearly good to go
>>18694955Did you derma roll also? What is your hair stack like
I posted this a couple times already but this is what I started out with>>18694954thanks
>>18694952>>18694955>>18694959tbqh m8 you already had a really good starting point, so it's hard for me to tell how much you gained back. Could you do the same angle and hair pullback as >>18694959?
>>18694956yeah I actually dermastamped right before I took the pics, that's why my shit's inflamed0.5mg dutasteride + 2x 5% minox + dermastamping 0.75mm 1x/week
>>18694960sure familia, this should dohonestly the biggest thing was my temporal peaks getting way stronger, I usually do a fringe (regardless of norwood) and back at baseline you could see my recession a bit from the side if it wasn't styled well (it always covers the frontal recession anyway)BUT there IS a visible difference between NW2 and NW1.5 even when the recession is fully covered up, if you know what you're looking for
>>18694963Well god damn. Thanks for the hopepill m8. My hairline is way more fucked, so I'd be aiming more for your starting pic. I need to get in with a doc to try 0.5mg dut (on fin right now), just started dermastamping less than a month ago.
>>18694964yeah, generally you can drop 1 NW but going 2>1 works for like 1 in 100 guysidk if it matters, but I started balding real early, around 16-17 and it had been nearly the same since then (27 now), same as my younger brothers and maternal grandpafun fact: I am significantly hornier on legit brandname Avodart than both generic local Duster and jeet Urodart no clue why
>>18694908picked it up earlier today - they've formulated it for me into a single pill. oh well, at least it's super convenient.
I'm not balding, but I've recently developed alopecia barbae. Should I be worried?
>>18694962Do you find dermastamping helpful?
>>18695049I think it does help a bit but I haven't been too consistent, trying to get back on trackI used to have a really shitty Dr. Pen Temu clone, now I got a few bucks costlier one that I can actually feel piercing the skin.
Why do anti fin fags spread so much bull shit about the drug? Why do they want to see and make other people bald like them?
>>18695081They are cowards who want to knock your ladder to hair down and make you a fellow coping baldcel. >The Rock and Jason Statham rock it bro, and grow a beard, nobody will look up top!>The confident bald guy pulls over the NW1! >Don't mess with DANGEROUS HORMONAL ALTERING drugs! >I have PFS from saw palmetto!
>>18695083>>I have PFS from saw palmetto!Wait uh, wtf is this all about?
>>18695084There are groups of people who didn't even take Finasteride, but rather took one of the "natural" weak sauce 5AR inhibitors (there's also mushrooms with this property) and allegedly one-shotted their neurosteroids. I forget the name of the guy, but a bodybuilding channel claimed he got PFS from those reishi mushrooms, and in order to "reset" his gut microbiome he blended his friend's shit into a protein shake and drank it. Claimed it instantly fixed his problems. I'm dead serious.
>>18689450Should I start with topical or oral min? Already taking fin for about 4-5 months.
>>18695134Oral, just take it when you take your fin, no mess no hassle.
>>18695134topical and check for side effects first, I got nasty sides from oral at any dose 0.5-5mg
>>18695190what were the sides at 0.5mg?
>>18695195water retention/facial swelling/puffiness
Snake oil: the threadEnjoy your limp dicks, faggots.I for one have to chosen to embrace balding. My hair may look like shit but I do not give a single fuck. Just dress well and act unbothered. You wouldn't believe how many looks I get.
>>18695221>Snake oil: the threadThere's tons of scientific evidence.>Enjoy your limp dicks, faggots.This is only a problem for about %3 of men and it goes away when stopping the medication.>I for one have to chosen to embrace balding.This is cope. > My hair may look like shit but I do not give a single fuck.This is cope. >Just dress well and act unbothered.This is cope. >You wouldn't believe how many looks I get.This is cope.
>>18695223Snake oil is cope too. I've never seen a convincing example. It's always frail motherfuckers posting pictures of them balding / balding 3 years later, asking "guys, do you think I look less bald if you squint really hard?"
>>18695224Lol, you're malding dude.
>>18695221>I gave up and need to validate my choice>therefore the solution I rejected doesn't work, as it working would make me feel bad about my choice>except the bad side effects, these are real and harsh, because I need to further validate my choice by associating the opposite choice with guranteed negative consequences>at the same time, I need to make sure everyone is aware there was definitely no negative consequences to my choice, as that would make me feel bad about it as wellThank you for the perfect case study of insecurity, Anon. Stay "unbothered".
>>18695232I could not understand a single word of you convoluted message.
>>18695225>Lol, you're malding dude.
>>18695233You can't read?
>>18695233Yeah that checks out.
>>18695235I can't and I'm sad about it.
>>18695223>This is only a problem for about %3 of menAccording to a study funded by the pharmaceutical company that developed the drug.
>>18695260why would anyone else fund a study of a drug they have no vested or financial interest in?
>>18695221I want to get to this point. It’s better than stressing about going bald
Is there any downside to starting when you're not actually balding. I recessed a little but it stopped like 5 years ago and I'm fine with my hairline. Feel like the clocks ticking before the reaper comes back though
>>186952212/10 I replied
>>18695275Insecure retard. Even if you end up bald you'll be fine.
>>18695268You must be American or another third-worlder where the state doesn't fulfill its role of ensuring public health.
>>18695290i live in a top 5 euro economy, baldie. how come there isn't a state-funded study that confirms your suspicions of the side effect incidence being higher in the interest of public health?
>>18695288Wanting to improve oneself or prevent negative things from happening is not being insecure. You're malding and seething.
any genuinely real users of Fin here? i'm sure you were nervous before you started. i am in those shoes now. please give me a story of your experience on the drug
>>18695348>please give me a story of your experience on the drugGot the watery semen for a week or two, then it settled down to slightly lower libido and weaker beard growth longterm.
>>18695348I'm coming up on year 3 with no sides. It's mostly a psychological thing from reading shit on the internet before starting.
>>18695275No, everybody currently on fin wishes they had the foresight to start in your position.
>>18695394No sides, but still no hair.>>18695396Look at the state of his hair. You're encouraging his mental illness.
>>18695359>Got the watery semenwhat the absolute fuckyou probably can't procreate anymorebut hey at least you've got the placebo effect of a few more hair if the lighting is bad enough
>>18695402More proof that fin is a meme drug that will completely fuck you up for life.
2 weeks of dut 0.5mg and I can say it's better than fin 1mg in regards to sides. It's not a meme, make the switch anons. Fin is trash.
>>18695401Do you not believe in the efficacy of preventative measures? Not just hair, but anything?
>>18695408I do for serious health stuff. Stoping smoking, exercising, stuff like that. These have proven benefits.But I'm not gonna take a pill for the rest of my days and risk infertility, limp dick, untested side effects, for a mere chance of a slightly slower balding. I want to live free, not consumed by fear and looking in a mirror everyday counting hair like some frail retards out here. Look at this guy, what he has is a mental issue, not a hair problem.>>18694952>>18694955>>18694959Imagine living in this anxious state of mind. It's a fucking prison.
>>18695413This isn't the same person.. and your post above claims you have taken fin?>>18695401I think you need serious help, stop posting and enjoy your life.
>>18695415Same kind of guys who worry over nothing. I did not claim to have taken fin, just making fun of they guy who said he does not have any side effects.
>>18695418I have great hair actually, would be bald right now without fin. You don't belong here, I would suggest a bald man support group and if no such thing exists, perhaps you should lead one.
>>18695420>You don't belong hereI do, I worried over it too. You would want this thread to consist only of people agreeing over their retardation ?
you contemplated taking fin but read too much into people noceboing into ED and decided to be "manly" (read: chromedomed beard oil guy). the fact that you're in a thread that allegedly has nothing to do with what you're concerned with, arguing with people over your supposedly superior choice, proves that you're still insecure about it and you need to convince yourself that you've made the right choice.
>>18695436These threads pertain to balding prevention and treatment, have you bothered to read the OP? Your preaching is falling on deaf ears, this isn't the thread for you or your propaganda.
>>18695437this man has done irreparable harm to the "just shave it" movement.
>>18695446of course, because he's doing what this >>18695413 guy is doing - coping so hard and so publicly that it ruins being bald for basically every man
>>18695437>>18695446what's wrong with him ? do you think he looks bad bald ?
>>18695454nta, to me he comes off as extremely bitter and insecure. He looks like he is about to scream and cry without the text dubbed in.
>>18695457It's typical malding behavior
>>18695437>decided to be "manly" (read: chromedomed beard oil guyI didn't shave my hair off. I can't grow a beard. I'm half bald (whatever norwood level that may be) and I've learned not to give a fuck.
>>18695454he looks like a bald guy lol. also what's wrong is that he seems to be unaware of the fact that he made the best argument there is for hair - it trumps a chiseled jaw, a good physique, low body fat and money just by you having it. if young guys are 90% hair, it means hair has a 90% positive effect on your appearance
>>18695460oh so you're just fucking ugly and repulsive looking, got it
>>18695457It just shows how irrational that fear or anger usually is. The guy probably looks better bald than with hair. He looks fine. If he's still mad about it he's mentally ill.
>>18695463I look fine. I get a few looks a day on the street. I get more attention bald with nice clothes than when I had hair.
>>18695464Statistically the chances of that are basically 0. He's handsome which is the only thing keeping him from looking outright bad. With hair he probably would have been within the top percentile of attractiveness, now he's just desirable to a certain demographic of women, instead of all of them.
>>18695467Maybe he also started being desirable to another demographic of women, why doesn't this even cross your mind ?
>>18695470Because life is about maximizing your prospects in all regards, and hair effects each and every facet of life whether you want to believe it or not.By the way, he's had scalp SMP done (tattooed on hairline) so even he could take his own advice I guess.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sppLy9GSrqE
>>18695471Couldn't*
>>18695471>maximizing your prospects in all regardsbro you're starting to sound a little incel-y. You don't need to attract every woman on Earth. Find a woman you love it will be enough.
>>18695480Women are a tiny piece of "All regards". For instance if you just had hair it would be one less thing for you to worry about and feel the need to defend. See: you right now.
>>18695482>>18695482>if you just had hair it would be one less thing for you to worry aboutWrong. Look at these guy(s)>>18694952>>18694955>>18694959They have perfect but they still worry about it. It's a mental illness. It will never end. Even if your hair grew fully back magically, you would have to count them in the mirror every morning just to make sure they're not going away again. You're fucked now.
>>18695488What's he worrying about? He's posting progress in a community dedicated to the thing. You have some kind of complex going on and the balding is not helping. You come in here and attack us for providing our time and knowledge for free to help people. Seriously fuck off you faggot loser.
>>18695490>What's he worrying about?You mean taking daily medication with perfect hair is a sign of sanity ? I don't mean to attack you, I'm just point out the absurdity of taking a drug for basically nothing.
>>18695448It sucks because I genuinely think shaved heads look cool as fuck and see it as legitimate + uplifting path for hairlets, but I can't even advise it online anymore without people calling me a copelord and possibly posting this webm kek.>>18695454The cope is too transparent and cringe, especially the way he feels the need to talk-down other men (which tbf you also see a ton of in this thread too, just in reverse).
>>18695494His hair was not "perfect" it is now because he decided to act in his best interest and do something about it. It would be even worse now if he did nothing. If it makes him feel better about himself then it's 10000% justified. Just do nothing at all about anything if feeling better is a sign of insanity lol.
>>18695497>just in reversewhat do you mean
>>18695499As in people some people are too quick to start punching down on baldies or people hesitant to start fin or min (I'm on both ftr).
>>18695498he's now on meds counting his hair and taking pictures of it for forums while he could be living a happy careless lifehe gave in to anxiety and he now lives with it whether he has hair or not
>>18695501Where did you get the impression of any of that? Have you considered he is doing this to give people hope? Why must everything be so self serving with you. You will advocate for everything under the sun to improve your health except for hair, is it because that ship sailed for you? Do you see why your arguments hold no weight?
>>18695506>Where did you get the impression of any of that?He's taking some form of medication. With a full head of hair. Hello.
>>18695507Obviously that's not the poignant part of your argument.
>>18695260>pharmaceutical company that developed the drugNigger fin is a generic that costs $10 a month, the guy selling to baldies probably earns more from shaving cream and razors alone.
>>18695420>>I would suggest a bald man support group and if no such thing exists, perhaps you should lead one.r/Bald and Baldcafe. It's all bald men trying to convince themselves they're perfect, and baldness improved their life, like when a fat chick gets called "beautiful" by her friends.
>>18695558How about accepting that you're not perfect ? r/Stoicism or r/Buddhism.
>>18695568>How about accepting that you're not perfect ?True acceptance of imperfection involves striving as close to the unachievable ideal as possible anyways. What you're describing is defeat. You're a loser, literally and figuratively.
I want to have no visible scalp when bright lights shine on my head
>>18695604>True acceptance of imperfection involves striving as close to the unachievable ideal as possiblelol
>>18695605also seek help
>>18695558watching a baldcafe video made me convinced that i need to hop on fin more
>>18695605He’s bald now
>>18695221cope: the postit's okay bro i didn't find out about fin/dut until it was too late too
>>18695613Dont lie
>>18695616He’s not lying, he has a Norwood 2 and is on Finasteride
>>18695618He'll cope just fine don't worry about it
>>18695470the demographic of women attracted to bald guys are attracted to them in addition to men with hair, it's just a wider variety of preference. the women who prefer bald men only are fat southern american women who want their man to look like their dad
>>18695348I'm on dutasteride. I don't get morning woods anymore and that's the extent of it>oh shit ur prostaty is goneI assure you that it is right there and working
>>18695857>who want their man to look like their dadThat's a lot of women, not just fatties from the south
>>18696031Yeah I thought that bit was strange. Actually the whole post was strange.
>>18695980can you actually find it though?i can't even find my prostate anymore :(
>>18695437people calling this video a "cope" is a proof of today's media illiteracy, it's literally anti-cope, he's putting himself down by saying how much hair matters these dayszoomers shouldn't have voting rights, you can't look at things objectively
>>18696340>he's putting himself downHe clearly has the delusion of being one of those good looking baldies he talks about because he he's on roids and has a shitty dyed beard. He believes himself to be good looking period, while all those people with hair are actually ugly. It absolutely is cope.
How many hairs per day you found falling out when you concluded>it's over
>>18696366And was this while you were on min and fin?
>topical minoxidil + finasteride >NW 2.5 -> NW 1.5 or 1Am i completely delusional?
>>18690263I hardly feel anxiety ever.
>>18696373You can recover half a Norwood at the hairline/temples, if you're lucky. Usually it's maintenance and a density boost. There's a reason anyone recovering their full hairline on drugs is extremely rare.
>>18695359>>18695394>>18695980we can put a fucking man on the moon but we can't find out why some people experience ABSOLUTELY ZERO side effects on fin while others experience NO SEX DRIVEHOW
We're all gonna make it bros :)
>>18696473>some peopleThese people are in the majority, those experiencing issues with fin are in the minority
>>18696473I think most people get sides, but just don't notice because they're mild. That, and some people are in denial/defensive about their sides because they think if they admit to having sides, crabs on 4chin will call them retarded for taking drugs kek. It's pretty easy to chalk it up to placebo or confirmation bias unless it's something severe like your dick no longer working or you sex drive completely cratering.
>>18696508The vast majority of fin users in the world are not on hair loss forums or even aware of side effects existing. Drawing any kind of conclusion about side effects being common while drawing from these online communities is incredibly flawed data.
>>18696366My amount of hair fall never really changed though my thinning areas nearly completely filled in. I don't believe hair fall is a good metric to measure balding with, so many unrelated factors involved with that.
What's his norwood at?
>>18696572About a ~1 1.5
>>18696574Im gonna try to get my norwood from a 2.5 to a 1.5
I have a question for you guys because I’m really in a bad place. I noticed hair loss 2 years ago and first got on finasteride and had to stop after a month because the sides were pretty severe for me. They weren’t nocebo either because I never looked them up until after I had them for a while. I tried it again a year later at a lower dose, got sides after a week and a half and got off of it, but not soon enough and I blew the best hookup of my life by flopping on the job. I was also sick at the time so I thought that had something to do with it, so I tried it again a few months later at an even lower dose and got sides after 4 days. I tried pushing through it for 3 weeks but everything kept getting worse and my balls were in a lot of pain which is a side I never got before. It’s been about 3 months since the last trial of fin, and while all my sides have subsided, I still have some mild ache in the balls which is definitely not placebo. I had bloodwork done and everything was normal, but a urologist confirmed there was some detectable inflammation in my balls via ultrasound. It’s safe to say I’m one of the few who can’t tolerate finasteride, and the bad reaction I had during my last trial makes me too cautious to try dutasteride. It took me a long time to post about this because the last time I did people just called me a pussy and that my sides were all in my head which they definitely weren’t. My dermatologist is actually able to prescribe clascoterone now off label, is that worth trying? I know that there’s not much real world safety data out there, but it seems like the only thing that’s somewhat easily available to help stop my hair loss. I’m currently a NW2.5, maybe NW3 now, and I only realized I was attractive a few years ago. I was very suddenly pulling very hot women, but now that I’m losing hair fast it looks like my dating life is coming to an end.
>>18696687Did you try topical finasteride? Also I'm guessing you know that some people who can't tolerate fin can use dut without any issues, but you can't really know this unless you try it. Downside is that if you do get side effects with dut, they will probably last for a longer time, since it has longer half life.I don't know about this clascoterone, but if you can get it might as well try it. There is also ru58841 if you are willing to deal with it, since that is not something that you can officially use for hair loss.Otherwise you will probably be stuck with just being able to use minoxidil if you are not using it yet and hope that your hair loss isn't too aggressive.
>>18696695The sides I had from low dose oral (0.25 mg three times a week) the last time I tried it were so extreme I just can’t risk it again with 5-AR inhibitors. I didn’t believe in PFS before but I do now. I don’t have it, but I can see how people with some sort of genetic sensitivity can be destroyed by something that changes the endocrine system that much. I do think it’s very rare though. I have tried minoxidil but I almost had a heart attack when I was on it. I got bad chest pains and my whole chest turned red and I ended up in the ER and only later learned it was a blood pressure medication. I’m really hoping pp405 or other medications in the pipeline can help down the line. I’ve been through a lot in the last 6 months and hair loss is really destroying me. I’ve never had bad reactions to medications in my life except for hair loss drugs so maybe god wanted me to die alone.
Dutasteride's molecule doesn't pass the blood brain barrier while finasteride does, if it makes you feel any better, nobody who claims they had PFS symptoms ever reports the same symptoms on dutasteride, at least I've never seen anyone claim post dutasteride syndrome.
>>18696711>Dutasteride's molecule doesn't pass the blood brain barrierWhere did you hear that? Research shows it's likely the opposite.
>>18696742it's literally double the molecular weight though?
>>18696758NTA but he's probably getting at how Dutasteride also inhibits the production of Type 1 5a-reductase.
Optimal needle size for needling?
Give it to me straight guys, is it over?
>>18696828diffuse thinning like hell brother, you need meds. only upside is if your hairline isn't progressing in the norwood pattern.
>>18696829Here's another pic though it's a bit blurry, I have long hair and my hair is naturally kinda thin
>>18696708If you have such extreme reactions to all of the standard medications, I think you should consider getting a hair system. You can try to find some more experimental treatments, but unfortunately right now best treatment that we have are some sort of DHT blockers and vasodilators and if you can't handle them, you are in a tough spot.
>>18696836Textbook diffuse thinning. You literally have a bald spot and continue to cope. You need to treat this yesterday or prepare to shave it off in a couple years max.
>>18696473I take dutasteride. I did my hormones after a month on it and the results were>T 503>DHT 58>E2 39it's possible that some people just can't handle the extra estrogen. 14-20:1 is generally considered good and I'm still fine at 13:1
If 0.5mg Dut/Day and 10mg Oral Min/Day don’t work, should I get my thyroid levels checked?
>>18696828Hell no it's not over, a lot of guys would kill to start from there with medication but yeah you are balding. Get on finasteride and minoxidil asap.
>>18697294Yeah you might be in the 5% of people suffering from hair loss that is not androgenetic.
>>18697300Thing is the oral minoxidil is working for my lashes but not my eyebrows, body hair growth, beard growth or obviously my hair growth. The Dut didn’t change shit either, the hairs at my hairline are still becoming smaller. For some reason those small hairs also aren’t falling out, only my longer hair is and even then only when I shower. Otherwise I can go through my hair with either a comb or my hands and no hair is falling out or getting entangled in my hands/comb.
>>18697307How long have you been taking them
>>18697403Dutasteride for 6 months, before that I’ve taken Finasteride for a year. Oral minoxidil for 1 year and 6 months. I’ve did some research and exhibit a lot of symptoms related to thyroid problems after all. I’m not going to blame all of it to my thyroid tho.
>>18697448Get a second opinion sounds like something else
