/balding/ and /finasteride/ general - hair is love, hair is life!Sticky: http://tuxbell.com/index.php/BaldingReminder that if you can clearly see down to your scalp when your hair is wet, your hair is thinning, lots of small new hairs sprouting at the hairline or crown is a sign of hair recession.Holy trinity:Tabs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FinasterideLotion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MinoxidilShampoo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KetoconazoleFinasteride/Dutasteride are 5-alpha reductase inhibitors that prevent free T from being converted to DHT, a byproduct of testosterone that serves no purpose after puberty but to choke out your hair follicles and make them thin out and die in a few short years, a condition known as androgenic alopecia.5ar inhibitors prevent your hair from getting any worse, mild regrowth is expected, rapid onset diffuse thinners see a significant recovery on fin alone. Can be taken orally or topically.5ARIs are not dosage dependent, taking as little as as 0.2mg daily fin can reduce serum DHT by 68%, while 5mg reduces by 72%.0.5mg daily dut reduces serum DHT by 95%, but is considered a second line treatment, and can be more expensive and harder to get prescribed. Start with fin.Fin has been used to treat benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH) for 30+ years, it's very well studied and is tolerated well in almost all men, however, there's a 1-2% risk of erectile issues in controlled studies.These can be avoided by reducing dosage, spacing out dosage, or stopping the drug. Fin takes days to fully bio-accumulate, the half life of fin is about 8 hours, adverse effects occuring within minutes of starting fin or persisting long after stopping fin are not real and have no basis in reality. Please note that dut has a much higher half-life of 5 weeks, if you're prone to fin sides, dut may cause them for far longer.Refer to https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3481923/ before responding to PFS trolls.
Minoxidil (liquid and tabs) is a vasodialator that opens potassium channels and widens blood vessels bringing nutrients to your hair follicles, stimulating them into thickening, accelerating growth and elongating the growth phase. Min is taken with fin to restore your hair to it's original hairline, thickness and vigor when hair loss is caught early enough, (pre-NW2). Can be taken orally or topically.Topical min does not work in 1/3 of men because they lack the required enzymes in their scalp, all men have this enzyme in their liver so the oral route is a good fallback.The FDA formulation for 5% liquid minoxidil is food safe (vape juice, ethanol and water) and can be safely taken orally if oral min tabs are expensive or rarely prescribed where you live. As a general rule, ~4 drops (0.1ml) = 5mg minoxidil.There's a 1-2% risk of fluid retention with higher oral dosages, start with the lowest dosage possible and work your way up when you're sure it's well tolerated.Ketoconazole is an anti-androgen and antifungal that inhibits DHT on the scalp and used to treat fungal infections of the scalp that may be making your hair loss worse such as seborrheic dermatitis, a condition where you exhibit severe greasy, flaky large dandruff flakes with dried yellow crystals (blood plasma) embedded in the scalp. Some people may only have traction alopecia (hair loss from scratching or friction), but it will not cure androgenic alopecia on it's own. Can only be taken topically.Do not use spirolactone. Spirolactone is a diuretic which, in large doses, inhibits testosterone and, by extension, DHT.It is regularly prescribed as an anti-androgen for male to female HRT, and thus, comes with an astronomically higher risk of sexual side effects in men including ED, gynecomastia, and can cause potassium toxicity.Previous thread: >>18680385
>>18689350That sucks man. This is why I never tell people the sides are a meme/placebo/will never happen. Severe sides like this are really rare, but they do happen and fuck people's shit up. Mild sides I think are more common than people realize, mainly because they're so mild that many don't notice, and many others find them to be so mild that they don't even think they're worth mentioning.I personally had the watery semen for a week or so that many people have, but even after that went away I kept some relatively mild lingering issues. Beard growth is a bit slower and less thick, haven't noticed the growth of any new beard hairs since I started. Libido went down a bit. Maybe some slight wiener shrinkage, I'm not really sure. Either way, I'm still on it and have been for years because I think the pros outweigh the cons. I think most people with hairloss should at least consider it and weigh the (very small) risk of severe sides for themselves.
>>18689458You are replying to a troll it is not biologically possible to signal the body to trigger the elimination of cellular tissue. The closest thing is atrophy which occurs from a lack of muscle usage and even then you would simply lose definition, not length. None of this applies to fin or, you would need to have some kind of spinal injury which prevents the literal use of your dick or such an extreme amount of HRT that your test levels are 0, which is the opposite of what fin does.
>>18689495not even hrt would cause 50% dick shrinkage
>>18689513It would actually cause zero so long as you continued to regularly use your dick
I've been on fin for a month, only 0.5mg/day. I have no sides other than my balls feel a bit tender and maybe a bit bigger. Anyone else get this? I wonder if it's having a paradoxical impact on my serum testosterone and in fact raising it, since i've been shooting cum further than usual.
>>18689549Free flowing test usually increases initially for a lot of people and levels out eventually
does anyone have any experience ordering finasteride from india or china?i found these sites on looksmax:skinoracalldaychemistreliablerxpharmacyindiamartit's much cheaper but i'm not sure if you need to send them a medical receipt? also not sure about using paypal or bank info on indian sites even if these sites are actually legit pharma sellers.
>>18689638Do not give CC/bank info to any of those sites. Use crypto if you can. You will also eventually get scammed by a vendor/have it seized at the border, so be prepared to have a backup supply and don't let your stockpile lapse. Why can't you get a legit prescription? The meds are quite cheap from costplusdrugs and a script will run you about $15 a year from amazon. I don't think it's worth saving a couple dollars to face all of these risks unless of course you live in some medically oppressive jurisdiction.
>>18689640bro, i dont know where you live, but in germany the 98 pills version with 1mg is like 80 euros.i can order 5mg version from india and its only half the price or so.
>>18689648Is it really worth saving $0.50 a day?
Why do you need finasteride to be cheaper? The cost is basically negligible. Buy 5mg and split them into quarters if you really need to save money.
My God why didn't I start Fin at 18, my worst nightmare has come to reality.
>>18689659i mean i also pirate games that are like 5$ on steam>>18689662i dont wanna finance the pharmajew in my country
>>18689664You are paying for safety and reliability instead of illegal indian mystery pills which you have zero recourse with following a bad experience. Do you think someone willing to help you break the law is above selling you fakes or diluted ones?>muh generics have no profit margin to be worth fakingLook at the fake minoxidil epidemic lol.
>>18689673its not illegal tho? they dont need doctors receipt in india and they just sell it to the international market.its more of a grey market.also they are not random sellers, i doubt they would sell fake products when the legit pills are produced in india and its literally dirt cheap there.
>>18689678It is illegal to falsify a customs declaration and import a perscription drug which has not been inspected and tested by your drug administration. Without a doctor writing you that perscription you are guilty of quite a few offenses. You can't just aquire medications on your own behalf because a doctor in your country once wrote you a perscription. Its not grey, its straight up illegal in the EU.
>>18689678Also finasteride is not legal in India without a perscription, so your reputable doctors are either breaking the law or are in fact more likely not even doctors at all.
anons i am going to be so real with you. I have always been a faggot and hated losing my hair. I was on fin but it was an uphill battle and so slow. Eventually i cracked and am now microdosing estrogen as well. Look, you can call me a tranny (am not, will never change pronouns, crossdress, or change name, etc etc), I don't care. But I want to say is this shit works. Incredible results. I'm regaining hair at double the rate i was previously. I only say this out of sympathy for my fellow men. Yes I am aware this is frowned upon. Yes I am aware there are many side effects. However, if losing your hair would make you actually kill yourself and nothing else works, chemical eunuchhood is the nuclear option. Just bank your sperm first. And use injections, pills melt your liver.
>>18689638I order everything from indiamart and have had no issues at all but I live in the US. If you live in germany it might get seizedhttps://looksmax.org/threads/read-before-buying-from-indiamart-for-eu-countries.1733190/
>>18689638finasteride is already stupid cheap, like $52 a year shipped from cost plus and a $30 prescription from amazon's telehealth, I'm sure you spend more than that on stupid shit.
>>18689683It depends on the drug. For example you need a prescription to get melatonin in the UK but it's not illegal to import for personal use, similarly for more serious drugs like bupropion
>>18689458this biologically impossible, you dolt. if you think your dick shrunk, then you have ED in some form.
>>18689907weird, i have ordered all type of illegal stuff from fake money to guns, ammunition, drugs, etc. from outside eu and never really had problems. that was 6 years ago tho >>18689909why you americans talk like you have the standard as in the eu? wtf is even amazons telehealth>>18689683at most you get a fine, that's about it. i had enough to do with law in my teenage years
>>18689918>you need a prescription to get melatonin in the UKdo bongs really?
>>18689982The point is not having a steady supply of fin and having to take a risk every time you need to refill opposed to just getting it legally.
>>186901371 package with 5mg is enough for like 1 year or so, i probably wont even need 1mg daily, so?im not paying 80 euro for 98 1mg pills, i would rather go bald then
>>18690209The point is that the risk to reward in buying such a cheap drug gray market doesn't make much sense, maybe for HRT and steroids and maybe even dutasteride but why fin?
>>18690209Just ask your doctor for 5mg to be quartered to save money?
Does anyone feel anxiety on fin? Started taking for like a 1 month and some sides i've gotten are less morning wood and slightly less horniness. But one major thing I noticed is the sensation of being nervous like you have an exam the next day. Even when I'm not stressed, I sense a slight tingling of anxiety. Will this go away with time? Is this a nocebo?
>>18689449Newbie question here. So i dont understand why seeing baby hairs newly grown is a bad thing. Isn't that what you would want to see if you were starting these hair loss interventions?
>>18689449We are all reversing our norwoods. Our norwoods do not define us. We're all gonna make it bros.
>>18690272If you see new baby hairs on treatment, it's a good sign. If you see baby hairs without treatment, the hairs are shrinking due to DHT and will eventually disappear.
>>18690282Ok, and by baby hairs i mean short ones at my hairline
>>18690294If you saw those before you got on treatment, that means those follicles are still alive and could be saved by the combination of finasteride (or dutasteride) and minif small hairs appear where you didn't see them before, that means they are recovering on treatment
>>18690263No these are all psychological problems, not physical ones brought on by meds.
>>18690263My nervousness on fin stemmed from my fear of being a non-responder or thinking that I would still slowly thin out, and my regret in not starting sooner. Years later, I don't have a NW1, but I'm surprised how much my hairline and crown filled in.
>>18690263That’s a recognized side effect of these meds. Since you have other side effects on top of the mental one (which is already bad enough on its own), it might be time to go back to your doctor and check what’s going on.
>>18690503>>18690361>>18690263Say these things to yourself before going to bed and first thing waking up, ideally throughout the day whenever you remember."I am a positive responder to finasteride" "I am free from all negative side effects""My hair is thick and fuck and healthy"Trust me this sounds woo woo BS hippie crap BUT IT WORKS!!
>>18689449>holy trinity>KetoconazoleIt barely does anything and can in fact result in a net loss for your hair because it causes hairs to be more fragile and prone to breakage, so you end up with less visible density even if it miraculously restored 5 follicles total on your whole head. Absolute meme of a treatment. The actual 3rd best thing after min and fin should be tret to boost topical min coversion to its active form in the scalp, everything else that's isn't a transplant you might as well not bother with.
>>18690209>would rather go bald than spent 25 yuro/monthWhat poverty does to a mf
