/balding/ and /finasteride/ general - hair is love, hair is life!Sticky: http://tuxbell.com/index.php/BaldingReminder that if you can clearly see down to your scalp when your hair is wet, your hair is thinning, lots of small new hairs sprouting at the hairline or crown is a sign of hair recession.Holy trinity:Tabs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FinasterideLotion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MinoxidilShampoo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KetoconazoleFinasteride/Dutasteride are 5-alpha reductase inhibitors that prevent free T from being converted to DHT, a byproduct of testosterone that serves no purpose after puberty but to choke out your hair follicles and make them thin out and die in a few short years, a condition known as androgenic alopecia.5ar inhibitors prevent your hair from getting any worse, mild regrowth is expected, rapid onset diffuse thinners see a significant recovery on fin alone. Can be taken orally or topically.5ARIs are not dosage dependent, taking as little as as 0.2mg daily fin can reduce serum DHT by 68%, while 5mg reduces by 72%.0.5mg daily dut reduces serum DHT by 95%, but is considered a second line treatment, and can be more expensive and harder to get prescribed. Start with fin.Fin has been used to treat benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH) for 30+ years, it's very well studied and is tolerated well in almost all men, however, there's a 1-2% risk of erectile issues in controlled studies.These can be avoided by reducing dosage, spacing out dosage, or stopping the drug. Fin takes days to fully bio-accumulate, the half life of fin is about 8 hours, adverse effects occuring within minutes of starting fin or persisting long after stopping fin are not real and have no basis in reality. Please note that dut has a much higher half-life of 5 weeks, if you're prone to fin sides, dut may cause them for far longer.Refer to https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3481923/ before responding to PFS trolls.
Minoxidil (liquid and tabs) is a vasodialator that opens potassium channels and widens blood vessels bringing nutrients to your hair follicles, stimulating them into thickening, accelerating growth and elongating the growth phase. Min is taken with fin to restore your hair to it's original hairline, thickness and vigor when hair loss is caught early enough, (pre-NW2). Can be taken orally or topically.Topical min does not work in 1/3 of men because they lack the required enzymes in their scalp, all men have this enzyme in their liver so the oral route is a good fallback.The FDA formulation for 5% liquid minoxidil is food safe (vape juice, ethanol and water) and can be safely taken orally if oral min tabs are expensive or rarely prescribed where you live. As a general rule, ~4 drops (0.1ml) = 5mg minoxidil.There's a 1-2% risk of fluid retention with higher oral dosages, start with the lowest dosage possible and work your way up when you're sure it's well tolerated.Ketoconazole is an anti-androgen and antifungal that inhibits DHT on the scalp and used to treat fungal infections of the scalp that may be making your hair loss worse such as seborrheic dermatitis, a condition where you exhibit severe greasy, flaky large dandruff flakes with dried yellow crystals (blood plasma) embedded in the scalp. Some people may only have traction alopecia (hair loss from scratching or friction), but it will not cure androgenic alopecia on it's own. Can only be taken topically.Do not use spirolactone. Spirolactone is a diuretic which, in large doses, inhibits testosterone and, by extension, DHT.It is regularly prescribed as an anti-androgen for male to female HRT, and thus, comes with an astronomically higher risk of sexual side effects in men including ED, gynecomastia, and can cause potassium toxicity.Previous thread: https://boards.4chan.org/fa/thread/18698181#top
Sup chooms
yeah, nothing's working for me. i give up. i feel so ashamed that i wear a hat everywhere. might kms.
>>18707558just shave your head and embrace cueball, also begin lifting like crazy the DHT will be doing you wonders
Embrace the bald for maximum power.https://youtu.be/1LsIQr_4iSY
>>18707558Just pierce your ear ang grow your hair
>>18707584Exactly it literally is not hard
>>18707584>/balding/ general>Just grow your hair
>>18707674The remaining hair yeah, don't tell me that your hair are falling in the back of your head too
>>18707558t. didnt try dutalso in all seriousness, you might as well Just Shave it Bro™ and chill the fuck out about hair for a bit if you're at the point of suicide.
>>18707510I cant find any source of foam minoxidil in europe that doesnt charge 100 eur for a 3 pack. I remember buying them for like 70 eur on ebay.Any advice?
Been taking finasteride for like 2 weeks and my libido has tanked. If I look at a porn video, I can jerk off and feel fine, but I just don't have the urge to goon when sitting at my pc like I did before taking fin. Will it come back?
>>18707740Libido problems are almost always psychological across every case, not just fin. Once you "think" you have an issue the thoughts just compound until it becomes unmistakably real. Best thing to do is just try to forget about it which takes time and distance from internet forums.
>>18707740Finasteride made my libido a little lower, and it has stayed that way for the years I've been on it. Since yours outright tanked, I have to imagine you'll recover some if not most, but who knows. Fwiw dutasteride is reported by many to not affect libido even slightly, and that's probably due to it not being able to pass the blood brain barrier the way fin does.
>>18707745ok i'll keep taking it and see what happens after a month>>18707749would you say the trade off was worth it? for me a little lower libido is fine, but i'm feeling like I turned asexual lol
>>18707776For a little drop in libido, yeah I think it was worth it, which is why I've been on it for years. In your case though, since you just started, I'd go to Dr B (website) if you live in burgerland and simply get a dut prescription that you can pick up today. I'm going to drop fin entirely once I've been on dut for at least a month, personally. Fin has been great for halting any further loss, but the regrowth from dut I've seen people report lately is insane, and not affecting the brain directly is a huge plus in my eyes.
>>18707727Where do you live? I’ve google minoxidil foam cheap and found like 3 different products for 35€/3 month supply.
>be progressing to NW3>finally go see a doc>"we need to establish you are actually balding, come back when it's progressed more"BRO I came for a fin prescription to PREVENT further loss
>>18707900your doc is a norwood reaper bro. use dr b if you're a burger.
>>18707900>come back later>welp you're bald now and here's no cure for it. I'll prescribe some candies and suggest a transplant
>>18707688NTA but I've lost density all over my scalp, it itches and when I scratch it sometimes it hurts, sometimes I get a stinging/aching sensation like a tick is pinching my scalp but there is no tick obviously, and I've lost body hair as well, specifically pubic hair.
>>18707900He fell for the mature hairline meme
>>18707900dermas are such a scam, i don't think i've ever seen any burger claim they just walked out with a fin prescription after asking for one
>>18708141Most doctors don't care about hair loss in general. Even if it's being caused by an autoimmune or thyroid disorder.
Does being lean help reduce fin/dut side effects?
>>18708148the slight uptick in aromatized estrogen can be worsened by being fat (since that also increases estrogen levels)so my guess would be probably, but only if you're very sensitive to slight shifts in estrogen already
>>18708141i asked gemini what are some cosmetic lifestyle drugs that ruin your life and finasteride was #1 with all it's references being from reddit's PFS spergs lmaoisotretinoin was #2 with it's real risk of permanent brain damage on top of dry eye syndromeweak cowardly men don't get to save their hair and the price of 5ARIs will never skyrocket after they become a celebrity social media trend
>>18708141That happened to me but the doctor was fully white haired and haggard with a perfect NW0. I told him I wished I had his hair and he said he wishes his still had color.
>>18707900>>18708141MDs will always be focused on limiting their own accountability. Derm is much like other, traditional specialties where the focus is on life/health threatening conditions, they are not usually experts at balding, even though it does technically fall within their specialty. The guy won't get sued if you bald a little, but he exposes himself to lawsuit with potential validity if you turn out to be a PFS schizo complaining about side effects and he doesn't have documented progression to support the diagnosis and prescribing drugs for a cosmetic disorder.It's better to go to an MD with a spec/subspec in aesthetic medicine for a quick fin script. They will be more confident in a quick diagnosis and expose themselves to less risk, given treating cosmetic disorders is what they do primarily.
>>18708261>he wishes his still had colorWhat a dishonest faggot. You can buy hair dye easily. Fin needs prescription from annoying faggots like him.
Hello guys, this question probably will sound weird but I'm 20 years old and have healthy hair, my father is 63 and he also have healthy full hair, no thinning, so I probably will also have full hair in that age, but I don't want, I want some part of my hair to naturally go away, I want to have hair like this pic, I just have weird taste, this is Ken Rosenberg from GTA San Andreas, I know I can just shave that part but I want to know is it possible to get that hair naturally without shaving?
No answer?
>>18708328Epilation laser
>>18708379Thanks for recommendation and answer but that's not what I'm looking for, I said natural way, also I heard that laser is dangerous, definitely not trying it
>>18708383You could theoretically ask a hair transplant surgeon to pluck them out in that pattern. Some wouldnt agree but you could probably find one who would
Where to get topical dutasteride? Repeatedly developing gyno from fin, no other side effects and I feel fine. Penor still works, mood is fine, balls don't hurt. Guess I'm part of the 1%.I tried fin at full dose for three weeks back in January, started developing gyno so I dropped it. Within two months the gyno was gone, and I started taking quartered dose (0.25mg) of fin. Now I've been on fin for 10 weeks, and gyno is back again. Been trying to stick with it cuz >your body will readapt to the new hormonal profile brobut getting sick of puffy nips, especially now that its summer. Frustrating since I'm well into the fin shedding phase but what can you do. I don't want to surrender to the reaper just yet, and I've heard topical dut avoids systematic sides so SURELY i'll be able to sit at a comfy NW2. Where is best for a topical dutasteride prescription? I'm in the states and I'm looking for straight dut, no minoxidil.
>>18708397Have you even tried to remedy the puffiness? (Not necessarily gyno btw)
>>18708397Unfortunately, any topical will still be systemic so you will prob still get early symptoms of gyno. just shave it bro, it's not worth being dependent on a drug for life
>>18707900Go to an urologist or telemedicine. As long as you pay out of your own pocket they give you anything you want really.
I'm going to jump onto dut and oral min I WILL DO IT
>>18708559do dut only for a year straight. i regret using both at once since now ill never know if dut alone would have been enough
>>18708560you're just wasting time and losing ground doing one or the other, I was dissatisfied with fin just pausing the hair loss rather than regrowing anything after 8 months so I started min, then I just got on dut after I found an reliable telemedicine source for prescription renewalsthe hair greed is real
>>18707510Hairlettes on suicide watch
How likely is it to get chest pain from rogaine? I started like two months ago and have had left side chest discomfort for some time now. I got a lot of anxiety as well so not sure if it's that.I'm literally using only like 0,5ml/day at most which is only 1/4 of the daily recommended dose.
>>18708624Very unlikely, basically 0% unless you have some kind of underlying issue which surely you would be aware of at this point in your adult life.
Can I start taking creatine while on fin? Or will it undo years of hair gains?
minoxidil is a shit drug whether topical or oral, you should only use it if you need it
Can his hairline be saved, anons?
>>18708808NW4. It’s over.
>>18708760You shouldn’t need creatine if you’re also taking oral minoxidil. It won’t give you energy, but it will make you retain water for the first couple weeks.Your best alternative to creatine is pure dark chocolate and potassium.
>>18708624Rogaine? Topical? Zero. Oral minoxidil? Maybe water retention cramping in your body and legs. Also your face and neck.Just drink dandelion tea to get that shit out, or maybe take a bong hit if you smoke. Aller-Tec works too.
>>18708328ill trade you
>>18708833I've been on finasteride only. 3 years strong. I also started working out around the same time I started fin and always refused to take creatine until my hair loss stabilized. That's why I want to know now if it's worth it if I can boost my lifting performance and whether creatine accelerating hairloss is a meme. Obviously hair is life and it matters more to me than my physique, but if I can have both it's even better
I posted about my diffuse thinning last thread, care to see more pics guys? I wanna know if its possible to save this
>>18709121Looks really good in the after, like a natural NW1.
I just bought finasteride online after trying and failing to get it prescribed at a dermatologist, I was waiting for months. Fuck me.
>>18709232was it one of those crypto-only pharmacies?
>>18709232From what I've gathered reading here, it sounds like dermatologists are worthless retards. I've gone to like 10 different GPs or something since I'm always moving, and not once have they ever denied me a medication I asked for.
>>18709238Also worth noting that I can always get in with a GP in a day or two, while dermniggers have you wait weeks or even months.
>>18709237no>>18709238>>18709240Dermatologist can go fuck themselves.
>>18709238When I went to my derm he advised me not to take fin and started going on about muh side effects only to later shill me expensive PRP therapy sessions he performs at his clinic. These people don't give a shit about your hair and are only looking out for their pockets. One PRP session costs the same as a lifetime supply of finasteride if not more.
>>18708328I think I've heard balding genetics are more maternal so probably doesn't matter what your dads hair is like
>>18709372that’s cope. if you have baldies in your family, the best thing to do is start fin as a preventative, if you care about keeping your hair.
>>18708808Why didn't he started dut like Trump?
>>18709469Isn’t Trump using Finasteride only?
>>18709557He grows it out certain areas and has it swooped
How do I cut my hair to look like Paget's drawings of Holmes or Fleming's drawings of Bond?
>>18709232This >>18709238I get my finasteride from a nurse practitioner. I literally just asked for it.
>>18707900Dude, why the fuck do you care so much about whether or not you're balding? Why are you so worried about it? Just buy some clippers, shave it all off, hit the gym, and grow a beard. Chicks love bald, bearded, muscular men. You could also get a few masculine tattoos to make yourself even more attractive.
>>18710045>why the fuck do you care so much about whether or not you're balding?>Chicks love bald>get a few masculine tattoostrolling
>>18710045On the off chance you seriously believe this in 2026 with all the information available on baldness ruining your social life...That anon didn't even mention girls and you still have to blurt out >Chicks love bald, bearded, muscular menYou will convince nobody here, you are trying to convince yourself. You can gloat about the success you have, sure, no matter what it would have been easier if you had hair.
>>18710060I'm not trolling tho, it's a fact that chicks love virile men, and baldness is a sign of virility and a high sex drive.>>18710061>You will convince nobody here, you are trying to convince yourself.Dude, I'm not trying to convince myself, I'm not even balding yet, but if I were, I'd just shave it all off, then I'd grow out my beard, get in shape, and get some ink. All this + being confident = all chicks will be yours.
>>18710064Now photoshop long blond wavy hair with NW0 hairline and ask girls which version they prefer. I bet they'll take the hair almost always.Good hair is ALWAYS a benefit.
>>18710064>and baldness is a sign of virility and a high sex drive.tell that to every skinny-fat baldcel with a tiny peanut skull. The only thing it signals is a genetic defect.
>>18710045based doc
>>18707900telehealth or indiamart
>>18710064You're only picking up 40 year old truck stop hangarounds in the south looking like this or black women. Women hate this shit, its literally eye candy for other men who workout.
according to Gemini most cases of pericardial effusion with oral minxodil were mild/asymptomatic and some level of excess fluid around the heart can be observed in 6% of the general global population with no or minor risks. Anyone know if this true? Seems to contradict haircafe
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DFyI1D2yLW7/>want to start microneedling w/minoxidil for hairline, buying the Derminator 2 >see this I genuinely can’t decide on what to do anymore. There’s mixed signals everywhere about microneedling.
>>18710696Do you really want to commit to doing this shit at least once a week for the rest of your life. Topical min application sucks enough as it is.
>>18710610When you ask an AI something, you need to check its sources and verify that way. AI does not know anything and is still often wrong
>>18710696I've also seen reports that microneedling can lead to scarring which causes blocks hair regrowth. That has spooked me enough, despite seeing actual growth from microneedling. I think tretinoin is a better assistant to topical minox.
>>18710714Microneedling also helps with anti aging tho. Problem is that oral min doesn’t work for me. >>18710776Apparently once weekly with a depth of 0,5mm is safe against micro scarring but that’s just what ChatGPT says and it’s not right about everything. On tressless so many people actually regrew huge amount of hair on the hairline, which is the only part I care about. Other than that I can only get a hair transplant I guess but I work and it could get really embarrassing.
>>18710774>AI does not know anything and is still often wrongNot much different from humans (and the articles they create) who believe themselves to be an authority on a subject, sadly.
>>18710714most studies with excellent results actually only do it once every two weeks or once a month. that said, I do it once a week with a stamp, and it's super quick and easy. the bigger issue is the exact opposite: I have to resist the urge to stamp more frequently and do more stamping per session (never stamp an area more than once, no overlapping stamps). It's a much lower effort and messy affair than applying topical min every night.
>>18710045Big beautiful bait
>you shouldn't get a NW1 hair transplant, that looks unnatural!>meanwhile, the 1/3 of men who never experience AGA who have hair like this their entire lives...
>>18711215I can't help but associate a low iq with this hairline past 30.
My sides went away when I got over my depression... Wish I hadn't spammed my "experience" with fin all over the internet
The only fin I can get my hands on in my country is 5mg (finastura)Should I get a pill cutter and take 1.25mg each day and skip it every 5 days?And does it affect men with varicocele?
>>18707510https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2784360621?t=3h59m17sKole's a FINGOD.>>18711215It's basically doctors being careful because retards don't want to take meds. >>18711512pill cutter. the halflife of fin isn't long. you're not gonna get a 1.25 dose consistently anyway. the ingredient isn't spread out THAT evenly.
I'm ready to take the buzzpill. Rec some clippers. With the ones I have now it would take me an hour. I'm not expecting them to get it done in one pass like the barber's but something in between.
>>18711692skullshaver. it'll be easier. clippers are harder to get it right.
>>18711608Wild how all of them know what minoxidil and Finasteride is lol. At least the white guys admit to taking it
>>18711699literally everyone knows at this point. there are several tiktoks with millions of likes about this shit. still too pussy to take it though.
>>18707510just pull a bill Williamson, grow a beard and wear a hat that fits you
Im 30 yo nw4Will taking the pills help me or am i too old and too far gone
At this point, I feel theres nothing for me to do to become anything resembling a handsome man, short of corrective surgeries which I have no money for.Theres no bald+beard cope for me either. So I might as well have fun with my appearance as an uggo.Obligatory: I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG
>>18711761it'll save the NW4. that's about it. it's like 3 grand for a transplant 6 if you want to go to thailand and get it real good.
>>18711771>it's like 3 grand for a transplantThey go for 15 to 30 grand in the US kek.
>>18711777that's why you fly out. all the US results i've were mediocre anyway.
>>18711771Is thailand the new transplant destination?I thought it was turkey
>>18711700Do not be afraid
>>18711771no growth whatsoever huh?Well I kidna figured that anyway.
>>18711818Well it might go a bit forward but nowhere near to the point of being stylable or where you could do a cope fringe or something.>>18711785it's better quality. there are like 3 doctors who can straight up bring back your temples. turkish mills never do them or if they do they butcher unless they didn't reced too much anyway.
Been battling androgenic alopecia from PMOS (formerly PCOS) since around 2019. Finally at the point where my liver is healthy enough (ex-fatty liver disease) to start flutamide. Also finally fixed diet so my hair doesn’t need 2 gels AND a mousse to not appear frizzy since it can actually hold moisture now. Cringepost for brevity as I am at work and can’t take 360 pics without drawing undue attention. Resistant PMOS isn’t the end, nonnas.
>>18712129>wrap your wet self in a t shirt overnightThis has to be a trollpost, like those "how to make crystals" tutorials.
>>18712139It’s called plopping. Go read a book, namely (1). My alternative is diffusing. Heat damages the cuticle. Damaged cuticle = moisture loss. Ymmv, but diffusing is not the way for moi. (1): https://archive.org/details/curlygirlhandboo0000mass
>>18712139>Sage cause forgot to show sad, diffused, gel-filled head. Pickle is after my stylist did a way better job diffusing than I ever could.
>>18712142The middle of the books is censored. But I don't need a book to know what will happen, it will fuck up your scalp, which will itch, and then look like a shitty perm, sort of like that Seinfeld episode where they get black market shower heads. Anyone who has ever fallen asleep immediately after taking a shower knows this.
>>18712148You’re supposed to borrow it, dummy. If no copies are available, your local library network definitely has ebook or physical available to borrow. YT has no idea what pre-pooing and double-poo is me thinks. Probably doesn’t need to know either. Enjoy your simplified needs. They’re a blessing.
9 days post bleach/hair dyeRedness is goneHad some scalp starting day 3, but seems to be gone now or greatly reducedMy receded (although a bit?) temples are harder to spotOverall happy with the resultsHere's a wet pic with my hair brushed back
>>18712220>Had some scalp flakes**
>>18712220Good work, anon. Although it sounds like you’ve obtained (and successfully healed) minor chemical burns. If you intend on bleaching again, use no more than 20vol developer within an inch of your scalp :) you’ve no “hot roots” so I’m assuming you already know to do those last.
>>18712226Yeah I guess that's why they asked me if it was burning at the salon, they told me I was quite red when they rinsed my hair (See pic related taken right after it when I got home)I don't think I'll dye again for quite some time, I'll just let my hair grow and perhaps cut the blonde part or reduce it if it looks too ugly
>>18712231Looks familiar, although much less brassy than my own bleaching mishaps. If you’re paying someone for the service, you should be able to request lower volume developer on your roots. And if they refuse, you should take your money elsewhere. Not bleaching again for a while is wise. It’ll take 6-8 weeks for a full recovery.
>>18712231>also, try not to scratch while it heals. It can lead to infection.
>>18712237>>18712238Thanks for the advice anon!
>>18711818Everybody responds to treatment differently and there are many factors at play. Some people continue losing ground, albeit very slowly - Some people experience insane amounts of regrowth with only meds - Most just end up in the middle and halt further loss with a moderate amount of density returning to thinned out areas.
>>18709121Should have also gotten Elvish ear transplant.
where should I start with hair systems
>>18713627only consider it if you're too far gone (NW4) after 2 years of meds
>>18713811I have advanced diffuse thinning. I've been on dutasteride and minoxidil since late 2024 with little regrowth.
What do?
>>18714067What are you taking now?
>>18714067fin+min, what the hell do you think?
>>18714116fin isnt meant for hairloss on the sides
>>18714067Be glad it isn't happening to the hair on the top of your head since that is more important for aesthetics, and then book an appointment with a derm since that's not mpb.
Anyone here pinning copper peptides?I've been on dutasteride for 2 months and have a bottle of oral minoxidil but haven't started it. This week I started pinning 1mg GHK-cu and want to see how much it helps.
>>18714128Yeah it's little known fact that side balding isn't caused by DHT, it's actually caused by DHT 2: Electric Boogaloo, which fin is powerless against.
>>18714176hairloss only on sides and not on top isnt from dht
>>18714198DUPA and retrograde alopecia can be from DHT. Inhibiting DHT should be your first choice when suffering from alopecias (besides areata, which is distinct enough) as an adult male.
>>18714090Nothing
>>18714139Godspeed lad. I've been curious about peptide stuff for hair.>pinningAs in you're going to inject your scalp? That sounds scary ngl.
>bought some new minoxidil bottles cus current ones are old as fuck and probably expired from being opened daily and also the best by date was over a year ago>suddenly huge shedmaybe my old minoxidil was completely ineffective who knows
>>18714256Hop on minoxidil and finasteride ASAP
>>18714067What race are you?
>>18714139I've been using GHK-CU for about 2 months, injected. I don't really know if I've noticed that much of a difference (I'm using it mostly for skin benefits) to be honest, will try it for a few more months and then will see.
>>18714067Have you been losing hair anywhere else on your body?
>>18714322White>>18714349No
We're all gonna make it, we're all gonna reverse our norwoods. Don't lose hope gentlemen. And never give up.
>>18714322Why does that matter dude
>>18714455I would be perfectly fine with staying where I am at least until I'm old and retired
>>18714276I'm assuming you are taking it orally. A good tip is to fill other bottles with a smaller amount and go through those instead of constantly opening the same one. If you store them in a a dark and cool spot they will be fine even after expiry.
>>18714420If you also have thinning on the nape of your neck, it's retrograde alopecia. If you have thinning all over your head, it could be DUPA, a diffuse type of hair loss that affects your entire head due to a sensitivity to DHT. Since you're not losing hair anywhere else on your body, I don't think you have any thyroid or autoimmune conditions, but I guess it couldn't hurt to get your panels done to rule anything out. >>18714458Hair loss affects people of different ethnicities differently. The classic Norwood patterned hair loss affects white people more so than any other ethnicity, Asians and Arabs suffer more so from diffuse thinning.
>>18714616You will also notice that more brown folk suffer from loss on the crown in the back.
Let me just drop some general knowledge:1. If you're diffuse thinning, and it only affects the top of your scalp, you have diffuse alopecia. Which is another form of male patterned baldness that doesn't present itself in the typical Norwood fashion. Similarly, it's caused by a sensitivity to DHT, which can only be "cured" with finasteride or dutasteride.2. If you're diffuse thinning and it's affecting your entire scalp (top, sides, back) you have DUPA. Which is a rare form of AGA that affects your entire scalp rather than the typical areas you would normally see in someone suffering from AGA. Regardless, if you have this type of hair loss, you should visit a doctor just to play it safe, since AGA doesn't typically affect the donor areas (i.e. the sides and back) and it could sometimes mean you could have an autoimmune condition. 3. If you're diffuse thinning all over your scalp, and you're losing hair on any other part of your body (eyebrows, pubic hair, armpits, body hair in general) there's a 99% chance you have either a thyroid condition or autoimmune condition, in that case, you're better off visiting your GP and getting your blood work done. 4. If you're diffuse thinning and your scalp is red, itchy, has pimples, and/or you have white flakes covering your hair and scalp, you have sebhorric dermatitis. Visit a dermatologist, if the thinning persists even after treatment, then you may have AGA. It's also worth noting that often times, an autoimmune or thyroid condition could unmask AGA that typically wouldn't have presented itself until much later in your life, all your condition did was speed up the process. Not saying that's a universal case, but it's a possibility, since a lot of people usually continue to lose hair even after their condition is stabilized, but autoimmune/thyroid conditions are complicated, some people report not seeing any hair regrowth until they get on the right medication, or after they get their ferritin/iron levels in check.
>>18714455nahi'm like a norwood 5-6 equivalent diffuse thinner it's over for me
>>18715234diffuse thinning is the easiest kind of balding to reverse, it's hairline recession over many years and denying that it's happening is when you get truly NGMI cases that require transplants
>>18715238yeah, but i was retarded and got on meds too late
>>18708165>finasteride was #1 with all it's references being from reddit's PFS spergs lmao>isotretinoin was #2 with it's real risk of permanent brain damage on top of dry eye syndromelol the two drugs that actually solve 2 problems that are guaranteed to make your life significantly worse in various waysI think it's funny how the useless shit never gets bad rep
>>18715581JUST PUT COW SHIT ON YOUR SCALP.
>>18715238Is finasteride good for diffuse thinning?
>>18714696Shit, I must have AGA then. A few years ago I sent pics of my donor area to some docs in Turkey and they said it was too sparse. I've been shaving ever since but have been taking duta and minox for the past month just to see what happens since I still have coverage all over, it's just thin.
on tiktok a bunch of women are saying they use viviscal to regrow hair. should we add it to our stack lads?
>>18715823I tried the male variant back when it was ~$65 for a 3 month supply rather than the ~$90 it is now, and honest to god it did absolutely nothing for me over the course of 3 months.
>>18715686Yes stack it with oral min and you will have your hair back in a year
>>18715852I use the topical min and then the topical fin solution i bought also has min, ive been on min a few years and saw some growth but few months ago back in March or so i hopped on fin cause i started to shed. But that has since stopped after being on it for 2-3 months now, and ive noticed growth at the hairline and sides and overall on top. Guess im lucky and positive fin responder. Zero sides for either btwl.
anyone here knows about trichoxidil and trichosol? after searching it seems like it's more known in asia and latam, I'm in a latam country and it's easy to find topical minoxidil + trichoxidil + trichosol, but I never heard anyone on the internet talking about those 2. trichoxidil is supposed to be an alternative to minoxidil that triggers some growth factors like IGF-1, and trichosol is supposed to be an alternative to using alcohol and it's not as harsh, and also increases topical absorption on the scalp. it's pretty cheap to get a 120ml bottle that has all 3 included where I am, about $20, but it's probably going to cost $150 in burgerland lol
>>18715953i wouldn't be against trying both but generic minoxidil is like $20 in the west so...
>tried a silicone scalp massagers in the shower>covered in hairs after less than a minutefuck me that's scary they would have fallen anyway right? They're telogens, telogenic or whatever the proper terminology is
>>18716035Pro-gamer tip: don't use the scalp massager on wet hair. Use it only when your hair is dry, as unintuitive as that sounds for something sometimes called a "shampoo brush". I read this advice elsewhere, explaining that the silicone catches on the hair far more when it's wet, leading to unnecessary pulling and breakage. When I tried it for the first time on my dry hair, I was surprised to find it indeed goes a lot smoother. Glides right by the hair and sits much more directly on the scalp. Don't stress or get spooked, just keep that in mind when using it in the future. And yes, some of it will come out regardless during a massage because of the reason you listed. For massaging in the shower to increase shampoo absorption, I just use my hands for a quick and sloppy 2 min massage moving the full scalp over the skull. this itself becomes a lot easier after you've used the scalp massager a bit to loosen up the scalp.
>>18714696>an autoimmune or thyroid condition could unmask AGAThis is what scares me of my hair loss, I have hypothyroidism and my hair loss is scattered evenly across my scalp similar to DUPA , no hairline recession and I'm also losing body hair, but, I sometimes wonder to myself if it's really JUST thyroid hair loss and not both TE and AGA.....once I get my meds I'll be able to tell I guess.
>>18710610If you ask me I think the risk of potentially developing a lethal heart condition with the oral formulation and the uncertainty of consistent absorption plus other inconveniences that come with applying it topically probably makes minoxidil not worth it for almost everyone suffering from hair loss. You should take your 5-ar inhibitor of choice as prescribed and potentially get a hair transplant if you managed to maintain for I'd say 3-5 years. It's probably a good idea to get your hair count checked early on if you're planning to get a hair transplant later. Ketoconazole shampoo might be worth it too, but only if you suspect any sebum- or bacteria-related issues. It will be easier to apply than topical minoxidil, but to ensure getting the highest effect you should wait 10 minutes before washing it off. As far as I know the anti-androgenic effects the ketoconazole shampoo has are only stipulated and insignificant if actual.
>>18711768Dr. Robotnik-maxxing
>>18716130Developing effusion from low dose is already rare and it actually progressing to something serious ora tamponade would be a fraction of that rarity. Isn't that correct?
>>18716138Haircafe pointed out pericardial effusion can develop in a tiny minority of low dose oral min but he didn't mention that the vast majority of pericardial effusion is benign
>>18716139Taking oral min sounds insane to me even if it's a one in a million thing. If it was a miracle drug with guaranteed results things would be different, but for something that you take just to be safe, it throws the risk assessment off.
>>18716138>Developing effusion from low dose is already rare and it actually progressing to something serious ora tamponade would be a fraction of that rarity. Isn't that correct?I don't know. I just know the risk is real and it's worth pointing out because people who suggest oral minoxidil will typically not mention it. What is also not typically mentioned is that your hair will likely grow darker.
>>18710696>>18710776I used a dermaroller all over my face 1x per week for like a year and all it did was widen my pores and make my face look leathery, permanently. Maybe the micro pen works differently since the needles move straight up and down instead of approaching at an angle like the roller, but IMO I would lean against needling. I mean, in the most literal sense of what you are doing, you're causing damage to your face in the hopes of causing it to heal back better than it was.Tret is (almost) a free lunch though, no reason not to use it. I say almost because you need to wear sunscreen regularly with it or else you'll roast, but you should be using sunscreen as part of your skin care routine already.
>>18716145There is a risk involved with any medication. The effectiveness outweighs the risk, thats essentially the basis for medicine in general.
>>18716150>>18710843>dermaroller all over my face 1x per week for like a yearnigga.. that probably damaged your skin more than anything. don't microneedle once a week, it's too frequent. you should space it out more, like every 2 weeks at 0.5mm and you should only use it for a limited amount of time, for about 3-4 months and then you want to take a long pause before doing it againmicroneedling for baldness is only useful to increase minox absorption, and also triggering your body to heal your scalp helps awaken the dormant follicles faster. so it's not something that you want to do permanently or for very long, you just want it to give you a boost on the follicles you can save at the start (which is why it's very useful for hairline gains). if you microneedle for a really long time and frequently you'll start getting the opposite effect which is scarring, and then you're fucked
>Starts taking roids at 16>Knows that'll lead to hair loss>Starts taking dut at 16>Never loses his juvinile hair line & densityLike if you're not on this at 16 it's over for you. Yeha sure you can get a transplant but the density will never ever be the same. It just won't look youthful.
>>18716229This the same guy who has to do copious amounts of drugs just to get the courage to talk to women?
>>18716232what does that have to do with anyhting? I'm just giving a result that jsut taking it while you have a NW1 will pretty much work.
>>18716229plus at that age you can get it for free at the doctor if you pretend like you want to be a woman
>>18716236no. but you can abuse telehealth. just use chatgpt for a NW3 and they'll give it to you. worst case if they want a video call you just shave the temples.
>>18716233Steroid hair loss is cope, even if your hair does start falling out due to the use of steroids, it's usually temporary hair shedding caused by the steroids themselves (i.e. Telogen Effluvium). But if you already have the genetics for AGA then your hair loss will work alongside the TE caused by the steroids, it's similar to how some patients with thyroid or autoimmune conditions develop both TE and AGA in conjunction with one another. For example, the wrestler Ultimate Warrior used anabolic steroids for years and he had a full head of hair up until his death in 2014, he wasn't taking DUT or fin to circumvent hair loss either, it's all genetic.
>>18716238you're delusional. it literally increases DHT through the roof because it's converted from TEST.
>>18716238>he wasn't taking DUT or finWhat makes you claim that? Ultimate Warrior started out as a bodybuilder it's not like he found a box of needles in the forest. Most bodybuilders have a coach who tells them what drugs to take and how to prevent side effects, even if it's just the guy at the gym who sells it to them. Even now with the internet no one goes solo.
>>18716244It doesn't really matter. for some guys the gene that makes DHT rape follicles just skips a generation or isn't there in the first place. I'm sure a native american could just blast and be fine. since clavicular' cuacasian he had to take it and the results are extremely good it's super dense thick and juvenile. https://www.tiktok.com/@clavicular/video/7628483126116879646
>>18716244Fin wasn't approved for hair loss until 1997, Ultimate Warrior had been body building since the 80s, some people just don't have the gene that causes DHT sensitivity. >>18716240Yes but my point is if you don't have the gene that causes DHT sensitivity, then you can blast steroids for years without experiencing hair loss. Another prime example would be Arnold Schwarzenegger, he took steroids for years and never lost his hair.
>>18716229>Yeha sure you can get a transplant but the density will never ever be the same.Yes you can, it could be actually be better. If you have a decent amount of follicles left in your donor area and your hair loss hasn't progressed beyond NW3 and is stabilized you could do one or several FUT procedures and an FUE after for the finer hairs at the hairline. If your pockets are deep enough and work with the right surgeon.
>>18716301the hair back there is finite. you're not manifesting them out of thin air. I'm not sure about the survival rate with punctures that small as well. taking fin at 16 is a way better option.
>>18716312>the hair back there is finite. you're not manifesting them out of thin air.Where did I claim or imply that there is an infinite supply of donor follicles?>I'm not sure about the survival rate with punctures that small as well.It largely comes down to which area the follicles are extracted from and whether your loss stabilized with 5-ar inhibitor treatment. If the hair loss stabilized with treatment the finer hairs from the worst areas could probably last 5-7 years and from the best area it's safe to assume at least a decade but most likely several decades. >taking fin at 16 is a way better option.You could do that and still bald depending on how sensitive your androgen receptors are. Finasteride can only reduce scalp DHT by up to 41%.
I started oral min and fin last week. My mood instantly improved and I have been insatiably horny
Is my hair thinning...? :(
>>18716376>You could do that and still bald depending on how sensitive your androgen receptors are. Finasteride can only reduce scalp DHT by up to 41%.I'd like to add if this is the case for you and you are dead set on having hair the best you can do is probably hair systems. If you can't at least maintain what you already have for I would say 5 years I wouldn't even bother getting a hair transplant because you're going to be losing it soon anyways and the transplanted hairs are going to stick out like hundreds of small sore thumbs in addition to the scar on the donor area if you decide to do FUT and McShaveIt afterwards
>>18716378Almost like people spread lies about these medications ruining your life to make you bald with them.>>18716380Hard to tell the lighting and angle is bad. Take it again with direct light like under a bathroom mirror from the front with your hair pulled back from both sides.
>>18716280Arnold did lose his hair it's hard to pinpoint when exactly because of hollywood trickery. In certain lightening it becomes more obvious that he has been using some method of concealing it.
Finasteride saved my life.
Should have been on this shit for almost 10 years but no-cebo scared me off. Turns out my ED was caused by a herniated disc cutting off nerves to my dick. Now I finally got that fixed I'm hopping on the train at NW3, wish me luck.
Is there any chance of getting back to NW1 if this is my baseline? Going to be on daily dutasteride and topical minoxidil.
>>18716591Hair is wet too, shows more of the temporal recession that way.
>>18716591not likely. women who have extremely low amounts of DHT still lose density in their temples due to DHT. it's the most sensitive area hence it goes first.
>>18716591def signs of recession but pray to the fucking gods that you even know the word dutasteride at this stage and just take it for life. i wish i did back then :(
My hair has kind of frozen at Norwood 5 for a few years. Could a dutasteride oral minxodil cocktail bring it back enough for transplant to work?
>>18716614>it's the most sensitive area hence it goes first.isnt it more like thats the area that is genetically predisposed to die first if you have the common norwood pattern? like the other anon mentioned above, asians have a higher frequency of DUPA and back to front (crown first, hairline goes last) recession
>>18716634transplant area should technically still be good no matter what your norwood is. but there are cases where ppl thin out on their sides, which is harder to treat. how is your "donor area" (back of your head) looking? if thick then yea def hop on dut and min. and save up for a transplant. if not - i'd still say hop on dut and min for a year and see what happens. the time will pass anyway
>>18716640I was told by some woman trying to sell Turkish transplant trips that my donor area is average density
Do any of you think reflex hyperandrogenicity is real? I’ve been taking 2.5 mg of dut for a bit and my libido is crazy and I’m starting to get a little bit of acne. Although I had some before. Hair is shedding obviously
>>18716667Testosterone goes up in all your tissues but the question is, does plain test do the damage DHT does. The answer is no, the extra potency and signalling DHT gives is generally what is bad
As a trans woman I'm really scared of balding
>>18716670then get on drugs because what is lost doesn't come back
>>18716668I think the issue is more that the androgen receptors become more sensitive due to the dht inhibition, making any dht or test left super potent
>>18716672I've already got enough negative side effects from all the horrible chemicals I keep pumping into my body
taking fin has killed my semen production and using sunflower letchin is making my bp skyrocket. whats wrong with me bros?
>>18716822That's a well known possible side of DHT blockers. Didn't happen to me with fin, but did with dut. >sunflower letchin QRD?
>>18716822my semen production goes to zero when i fap multiple times in a day, like the 2nd or 3rd ejaculation is basically clear and just precum, each one also makes progressively less precum, all the sperm went out with the first one, are you sure you're not just mistaking this for a 5ARI symptom?
God this thread is sad
>>18717207Yeah I didn't cum for a week and barley anything came out. I''ve trying to cum stack to make more semen but I've only been taking zinc and L-Citrulline for about two weeks.
>>18717223hairloss is a very sad thing.
>>18717224Okay why did you respond to him but not me asking about the sunflower letchin? I gave you a (You) way earlier than him, and this is how you repay me??
>>18717223god you're a fag, stfu
>>18714696You forgot about retrograde alopecia which usually affects the sides as well, this one starts at the back of the neck and it's also caused by sensitivity to DHT. .
anyone else stop getting hangovers after starting finasteride?
>>18717241seems like placebo
>>18717226Sorry honestly dont know what QRD means. you mean how many times I take it and how many mgs?I was taking to 2,400mg once a day. It was making me anxious and spiking my BP.Once I stopped it i felt a lot better
>>18717266It's a dumb meme, it means "quick run down". Basically I was asking what it's supposed to do/what you're taking it for.
Does he have a slightly receded hairline or a naturally tall/high forehead?
>>18717292Both, but more the latter than the former.
>>18717241my blood pressure went down like 10-15 points after I started fin, maybe stressing out over my hair loss was genuinely making my blood pressure go up, or maybe DHT just promotes heart disease and hypertension, who knows.Either way I'm in the normal range now.
>>18717381>or maybe DHT just promotes heart disease and hypertensionAt the very least it's not this>Declining DHT causes cardiovascular diseasehttps://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36693531/>Raising DHT reverses systemic atherosclerosishttps://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37053049/
>started with keeps ages ago,>stopped using consistently since i thought i had overreacted>noticed my crown had gotten thinner, got back on track, stuck with keeps due to convenience>not super content with my results with fin and oral min (1.25mg per day)>thinking of switching to dut, this looks comvenient and comprehensive if legitdoes this in fact seem legit?
>>18717414It's legit, just expensive compared to buying the ingredients piecemeal. You're paying for the convenience.
>>18707510What negative side effects can I realistically expect to happen if I start taking oral minoxidil? (I'm not sure if this is relevant, but I plan to take oral dutasteride as well). Reddit is useless: feedback ranges from "absolutely nothing" to "ohhh the horrors... heart explosion..."
>>18717492start with 1 drop (approx. 1.25mg), if you don't feel sides the first day, try 2 (2.5mg), if you don't feel sides, slowly ramp up to your desired dose which is usually between 5-10mg.don't blast 10mg all at once, you're gonna feel weird, possibly get elevated HR and freak out and become another hypochondriac scaring ppl away from oral min.
>>18717499Thank you. That's wise advice. Does it matter when I take it? I don't want it to be most active in my system while I'm sleeping unless that's required.
>>18717506i don't think it matters a whole lot, it manages to stay in your blood in high enough concentrations for at least 8 hours at dosages over 5mg.If you feel like doing 2 doses/day to maximize blood concentration, I recommend splitting the dose in half rather than doubling it.
>>18717507that graph doesn't seem right, other studies say that about 1% of topical min goes systemic so if you apply twice it would be around 2mg-2.5mg, so how come the concentration is way lower
>>187175361% is within the range in that chart,
>>18717540obviously I mean 1% of 2ml with 5% min in it bro...
>>18716159>The effectiveness outweighs the risk, thats essentially the basis for medicine in general.These serious cardiac related conditions are idiosyncratic and observed at very low doses in certain cases so they are not dose dependent. It depends on the individuals body's relationship with the sulfotransferase enzyme that converts minoxidil into its active form minoxidil sulfate. The longer you've used oral minoxidil for without experiencing anything serious, the more you can reasonably assume that it won't lead to a negative response with continued use. However, you can respond negatively without being aware of it because these conditions need to exceed a threshold before they become obvious and escalate unless you get regular professional screenings.>>18716159>The effectiveness outweighs the risk, thats essentially the basis for medicine in general.That risk assessment is a personal judgment and yes, oral minoxidil is a medicine. It is a potent second-line antihypertensive. I could not in good conscience prescribe this medication as a cosmetic intervention unless I was very confident the patient had the money, understanding and discipline to get regular professional screenings. Using a 5-alpha reductase inhibitor should be sufficient, preferably Proscar, considering 5mg is the highest effective dose of finasteride and that there is more literature supporting finasteride's safety as opposed to dutasteride. I would rather recommend the patient spend money on seeing a dermatologist to rule out scalp-related skin conditions.
My scalp sebum production has gone into overdrive this summer but only on Avodart. Didn’t have this problem on Finasteride, thoughts on how to remedy this? I’m already using ketoconazole and salicylic acid shampoo but I recon those are worsening the effects due to drying out my scalp because I also have extremely hard water.
>>18717542The absorption of the 1% occurs over several hours instead of up front like oral. Microdosing it through absorption isn't effective imo, you get the sides without the peak concentration levels required for better regrowth
>>18717610Bro brand name hair loss companies are prescribing picrel>>18717414to millions of people, oral min is perfectly fine for 99.9% of people within the low dose range for hair loss.
member the guy that got insane microneedle gainz by violently assaulting his scalp? do not click if blood makes you queasy because two of the pics straight up look like a crime scenehttps://files.catbox.moe/6sxivx.jpgwould never do this myself or recommend anyone else do it (seems like a huge scarring and infection gamble), but it still fascinates me
>>18717743>Bro brand name hair loss companies are prescribing picrel>>18717414>to millions of peopleyeah and millions of people took the covid vaccine, that doesn't necessarily prove that it's a good idea>>18717748microneedlinganother unnecessary risky intervention
>>18717748>before and after are different hairstyles and lengths>hairline the same>after is grown outLook Anon there's being open-minded and then there's looking up because it says gullible on the ceiling. Diffuse loss is obviously more visible the shorter the cut and quite easy to hide with more length. Ask me, it's a retard trying his best to convince himself and others his retardation paid off. It's definitely not an intelligent man genuinely trying to evaulate results or there would be at least an attempt to isolate and reduce confounding factors. Get better standards for what constitutes evidence, especially online, you will thank me later.
>>18717894Who said anything about evidence? It's a funny freak n=1 anecdote.
>>18717897But it's not even a n=1. A decent n=1 can be evidence in a specific context, show me one genuine fucking unicorn and that's enough to prove unicrons exists, but the pic is just n=0. Any comparsion between hairstyles with vastly different length is just moot.
>>18717902>But it's not even a n=1You're being ridiculous, anon.
All this stressing over hair loss is making your hair fall out quicker.
>>18711768Bronson.
>>18717902trying way too hard m8
>>18717905Doesn't matter because in stress related cases the hair can come back, unlike with AGA.
>>18717951Funny, but if I can come back with my own pointless autism quip, the two usually overlap if you don't have complete genetic immunity to AGA. Stress accelerates AGA follicle shrinkage via inflammation and cortisol by making the already shortened anagen phase even shorter.
hairline mount olypmus candidate??
>>18717812They're not giving it away for free lol. You are paying to get prescribed on top of paying a premium for the med itself and it requires you being in the "know" in the first place. It's the complete opposite of the covid vaccine, strange parallel to instantly try to make.
>>18718121I explained the risk of using oral minoxidil and your counter argument is that millions of people already took the risk. Most of the people who got vaccinated for covid are still around, but they may still face consequences for their poor risk judgment because the consequences could be delayed.>They're not giving it away for free lol. You are paying to get prescribed on top of paying a premium for the med itself and it requires you being in the "know" in the first place.These factors do not determine a drug's safety. I could compare it to something else if you'd like. Let's say I have anxiety. I could do a couple minutes of research and gain a surface level understanding of different treatments. I could stumble upon a forum with users sharing positive anecdotes about benzodiazepines. So I go to a doctor who lacks the medical understanding or empathy to refuse and dissuade me from taking it. It's completely possible to do this today. And it was completely possible to get prescribed what is now a heavily controlled barbiturate, pentobarbital as a sleep aid. So I'm not going to stop anyone from taking it. I just think people should know there are ZERO documented cases of finasteride or dutasteride causing death or deadly conditions, but with oral minoxidil there are SEVERAL.
>>18718308Then name a more effective hair growth stimulant than oral minoxidil. The same goes for your benzo analogy. When taken at proper dosages these are the most effective treatments currently for your ailment. Don't want to take the 0.1% risk? Then you are left with subpar options.
>>18707510What kills me is I'm not balding, but the top of my scalp and some of the sides are patchy from the time I had dreadlocks. So the hair around the area starts to twist together and cause naps, which then puts stress on the area. So I'm constantly just witling my hair down, only to reveal the patchy spots. Kinda glad I'm doing this hair transplant, never listening nigresses about doing dreads again.
>>18718318>Then name a more effective hair growth stimulant than oral minoxidil.You could apply minoxidil topically and get the same effect without systemic absorption. Minoxidil is the strongest hair growth stimulant, but if you ask me it's not really worth using because you should already be able to stop hair loss and maintain with fin or dut. If what you maintain isn't enough for you, set aside the money you would be spending on minoxidil and save it for one or several hair transplants. I think it makes most sense to use minoxidil to deal with diffuse thinning because in these cases you will see the biggest difference. If you're going to use topical minoxidil and want to enhance its effects DO NOT dermaroll. Use tretinoin instead.
>>18718318>name a more effective hair growth stimulant than oral minoxidil.Not more, but 5% topical has the exact same efficacy as 5mg oral in virtually every study ever conducted. Some show topical slightly better in certain areas of the scalp and vice versa, and that's about it.
>>18718356>>18718349In the absolute best case genetic and controlled scenarios topical is equivalent to oral. I would be skeptical if more than 20% of people had optimal SULT1A1 enzyme activity in their scalps. If you're one of these people great, chances are you're not and oral will outperform it hence the recent spike in popularity for people seeking out oral.
>>18718349>If what you maintain isn't enough for you, set aside the money you would be spending on minoxidil and save it for one or several hair transplants. I used to believe this, but I’m on min for only three months and already seeing vellus hairs where my NW1 used to be go terminal. Otherwise I was fin only for 3 years. Don’t get a transplant until you see what minoxidil can do for you.
>>18718366Using the 5% topical solution you are saturating the follicles with 50mg per milliliter whereas oral minoxidil is typically 5mg or less. Tretinoin significantly improves skin permeability and upregulates sulfotransferase so using that combination should yield better results, even if you're using as high as 10mg oral.
>>18718470This is exactly why topicals are worthless in comparison.
Did anyone here get eyelashes gains from topical min applied on scalp and maybe eyebrows?
>>18718614do you wash the minox off? might rubbing into pillow and it' sgetting in. or just running down somehow. topical is localized it shouldn't be doing that unless going systemic or again getting it from some other place.
>>18718621I'm asking because I do want eyelashes gainz. Topical does go systemic so I want to know if what goes systemic is giving people longer eyelashes or if it's only from oral
>>18718335That's called traction alopecia and it only happens to retards>dreadschecks out
>>18717748I don't see any improvement whatsoever. He still has that frizzy hair texture commonly seen in people with hair loss, and like the other anon said, diffuse thinning is easier to hide when you grow out your hair.
>>18707510Salvageable?
>>18718621>topical is localized it shouldn't be doing that unless going systemicAll topicals go systemic to some degree, topical min goes systemic enough to affect facial hair because facial hair is much more responsive to it.
>>18718349>set aside the money you would be spending on minoxidil and save it for one or several hair transplantsNigger generic topical min is like $10/month, a decent 2k grafts transplant from a reputable doctor will run you 3k at least, you're gonna be saving 25 years and by that point you will need probably need another 2k grafts. If you have an issue spending $10 a month for medication you might want to consider spending even half of those years on a better career instead.
>>18718692
>>18718692You could maybe get to a point where you can do a presentable combover with a transplant. Maybe.
>>18717894>Diffuse loss is obviously more visible the shorter the cut and quite easy to hide with more lengthDisagree. Styling products make thin hair look like shit, and you critically need it to stay perfectly styled making long cuts nonviable unless you want to do the "chad embrace" which is what you're doing because you ain't hiding shit. A short cut is much easier to keep under control.
How bad is it?
>>18718742Typical Norwood pattern in the temples + diffuse thinning. Shitty scenario but if you’re not on treatment you can gain a lot of density all over with it.
>>18718742Not great but entirely fixable within a few months.
>>18718746>>18718747I started dut like 2 weeks ago. Will it be enough or should I add something else?
>>18708397Did you also have gyno when you were a preteen?
>>18718753Fin would have been just fine. Dut is like hero dosing meds that may mess with your hormones. They’re quite different.>>18718756Most people who get medication side effects like that had hormonal problems from the start. They don’t cause problems, but activate ones you already have.
>>18718764no, side effect occurrence rate is similar between them and have the same side effects. similar drugs except dut blocks type 1 and type 2 dht vs fin which only does type 1. also, dut gives better results. also, i had similar hair to him and fin did nothing for me but im seeing slow results on dut.
>>18718710Look Anon you can disagree all you want, won't change the fact that longer hair hides low density of follices that would be completly, individually visible with a buzz. Literally the whole point of combovers.
Chooms I finally got Dutasteride prescribed in EUROPE.Just find a young doctor 30s max. He'll understand - especially if you're balder than him
>>18718756nta but i had mild gyno as a teen and take fin without issue. mild enough that i didn't realize i had it beforehand until i started looking up sides.
>>18718848Great job anon, get those hair gains
>>18718624it happened to me
1.2mg fin 2 months in. Combo pill that has min. Starting to get puffier breasts slightly. Is it safe to stop now? Can I lower the dose to stop this gyno SE? Someone was saying that if you stop early is seriously detrimental.
>>18719023>Is it safe to stop now?You never stop, this is a for-life medication>Can I lower the dose to stop this gyno SE?Ask your dermatologist, get tested maybe>Someone was saying that if you stop early is seriously detrimental.Yes. These medications strengthen hair follicles, prompting weaker hairs to fall out to be replaced by strong ones. If you quit during The Shed, all you will have done is balded faster with no benefit.
>>18719024I believed that stopping would just bring me back to where I was before starting, not make things worse. The extra puffy tits is scaring me. I'm beginning to titty mog my flat azn gf.
>>18719029at this point you need to ask what you care about more, gyno or bald. Because if this is happening it means the medication IS working, but you are one of the unfortunate few suffering from a tangible side effect. The difference is imo you can un-gyno yourself with a masectomy if you really don't like it. But you can't un-bald yourself if you fuck up past a certain point.
>>18719023Puffy breast is not always gyno, it can be a reaction to an initial hormonal adjustment period when starting. When you can feel a solid mass under the nipple that is gyno.
>>18708328are you insane? I think if you actually started losing hair you would eat your words
>>18719415I would definitely be sad if I lose that middle part, but I hope not, that haircut in the pic is really perfect for me
>>18707510I've been on finasteride for a year and a half and dutasteride twice a week with 2.5mg oral min daily for half a year and I can't say I'm happy with the results. Zero improvement, I think maybe it's gotten a little worse? Maybe I just have to wait a bit longer. I still have that painful scalp feeling I had before starting treatment which gives me doubts.
>>18719423>dutasteride twice a weekmaybe bump that to daily you goob
Gonna go to the dermatologist next week and see if I can get finIf fin + min doesnt help after a year I'll just waingro-maxx
>>18719453if you're a burger and the appointment isn't 100% already paid for with ur insurance, you may want to cancel and just pay $15 for a Dr B """consultation""" (you upload two pics of your hair and answer like 3 multiple choice questions) for a guaranteed prescription sent to your pharmacy in like 30 minutes. derms are total fucking retards with a high rate of not prescribing hairloss meds if these threads are anything to go by.
>>18719461This is the way. A lot of derms on not up to date on hair loss and still think rogaine is the standard.
>>18718848Same but I went to a Muslim doctor lol. Colleague of mine is Syrian and recommended him to me, I told him what I needed and he prescribed me oral min and Avodart right away. Makes you wonder how common hair loss and medication is among Muslims.
>>18719453I've been waingro-maxxing since 19. At least meds stabilized me
>>18719484Purely anecdotal, but my eyeball experience is they suffer hairloss rates right behind med euros.
Give it to me straight lads is there any cut to salvage this? Buzzed everything around 6 months ago and even that looked like shit cause of how much thinner my crown is than the sides.
>>18719535fin and min now
>>18719535start doing the cope cut on sides and back, for starters. yes it's a cope and i put off doing it myself for ages for that reason, but nerfing your appearance because you dont want to look like you're coping is actually retarded and 99.99% of people care more about your end appearance than whether or not you're doing a cope adjustment. but yes, just start min and either finasteride or dutasteride and check back in 3 months. there are some serious hyper responders to dut in particular.
>>18719552Been on for 3 years brother
>>18719555>the cope cut on sides and backI've been found out
>>18719557I'd try switching to dut then and see if there's any growth 3 months out. I also got surprisingly good min result enhancement along the hairline doing a mild dermastamp once a week.
>>18707510You fucks lied. Both the copers and the doomers. Been on fin for a year and NOTHING. No side effects, but no actual effects either. This shit does nothing
>>18719575WE GOT ANOTHER ONE BOYS!!!
>>18719575Are you in the US? They sell placebo in 80% of cases.
>>18719575nothing ever happens
What's wrong in being bald? Bald is beautiful
>>18719744very few men have skull shapes aesthetic enough to pull off being bald, also nobody ever really balds completely, you're left with a horseshoe and random sparse hair all on top of your head that makes you look like you have a disease if you don't shave it constantly.
it's really demoralizing seeing the only miraculous norwood bounce backs coming from r/tressless users who trooned out out of desperation and jumped on 5mg estrogen and 200mg spiro halfway through and undid a NW5 back to NW1 in like 6 months
>>18719759I didn't believe you so I checked for myself - holy shit, he nearly grew back his juvenile hairline. Well, it's still thin at the very edge, but that's a miracle.But before you go the troon route, there are plenty of troons working with a NW5 that never got their hair back and wear wigs.
>>18719759that's quite extreme even with hrt, I call it bullshit
>>18719575>Been on fin for a year and NOTHING. No side effects, but no actual effects either.So you experienced no further loss, that's the average expected effect. Fin freezes your hairline, min gives slight gains, you get a transplant for big gains, that's the expected outcomes for the average person. Where's the lie?
>>18719759>>18719764Every fucking time some troon posts about HRT all the tards go crazy on it. It's pretty simple, HRT is going to nuke your test and that is going to also nuke your DHT completely. Now, can you nuke your DHT without trooning out? Yes, but dudes don't wanna do it, but also when they see troons trooning out they start "ironically" posting about wanting to take HRT. Literally taking 10mg of dutasteride is less risky than taking HRT to nuke your test, and if you were to go into extremes like this then which one do you think is preferable?
>>18719759Nah there have been some pretty insane dut responders.
Can I safely take creatine if I'm on dutasteride? I like how it makes me feel.
>>18719764>>18719759this is not the same person. i dont think it is out of the realm of possibility to have bad actors try to get desperate men to troon out.
>>18719795Estrogen literally regrows hair tho.
>>18719791most people get thickening from fin according to clinical trials
6170 grafts, 14520 hairs. Let's fucking go boys. Was like a diffuse nw5-6 beforehand.
>>18719915Pre op for context Doc says I still have 3k fue grafts in the tankDid a massive 3700 fut and 2470 fue grafts. Fut scar looks immaculate.
>>18719915>>18719918Damn, go big or go home? You're on fin/dut as well?
>>187199200.5mg dut 1 year and now 3 months into 2.5mg oral Min, hoping gains from min as well
>>18719918this looks like my future
>>18719795Strong DHT inhibition doesn't explain dramatic regrowth. Completely miniaturized and scarred follicles don't all regrow when DHT is gone.
serious replies only pleasei took my first finasteride 1mg tablet 8 hours ago, i got home now and usually ill be really excited to jerk off. but i look at naked girls now and… nothing, that exciting feeling isn’t there and i don’t care to touch my cock.so is it all in my head or is 8 hours enough to do this? little scared
>>18720069Sorry bro, your dick doesn't work anymore.
>>18719982>Strong DHT inhibition doesn't explain dramatic regrowth.Explain the people that get dramatic regrowth from dut.
>>18720069Fin sides are generally worse in the first 2 weeks or so if you get them, and then they drop. Up to you whether you want to go a few more weeks to find out. I can tell you my libido has remained a little lower while taking fin, but I never had the straight up "nothing" you mentioned here.
>>18720120i’ll wait it out, the alternative is going bald so i might as well just try things. how much lower would you say? -50%?
>delivery company had a hangup with my order of finasteride>it's gonna arrive sunday>I've been out of pills since last saturdayPlease tell that isn't enough time to reset all my progress
>>18720142No you have a month at the very least before you should be concerned.
>>18720069Finasteride has a half life of 6 hours so yes it is in your head. ED is almost always psychological in the entirety of cases.
>>18719759>>18719764What happens if you regrow your hair and stop HRT afterwards?
>>18720240if the drug you're taking is the only reason hair grows where it did then stopping the drug will result in hair going back to it's natural state, this proves true for minoxidil, but I have no idea if stopping estrogen would do the same thing, as people like to posit it actually grows hair on top of nuking your DHT (by nuking your T)
>>18720240It really depends but basically the high end of testosterone suppression on HRT is about 97.5% to 99%. How this translates to DHT I don't know. Hypothetically you could reach the same DHT suppression with oral and topical dut at the same time and min maxing with supplements to maybe reach the same level of DHT suppression. Of course you would be lacking the promotion of growth offered by excess estrogen though in theory you should maintain what you gained for the most part.
I'm losing my mind. I had such a nice hair but that fucking DHT stole it. It made my hair thinner and took my temples. I want them back. I want my hair back as it was.
been on 2.5mg dut and 2.5mg min for nearly 18 months and no improvements in hairlinemy hair fall isn't as bad as before, but i'm noticing how it always gets bad when i'm jacking off more
>>18720316samei had beautiful dense scalp and my hair used to look so good when i'd wash it, and now it looks so awfulhate this shit
>>18720318Add topical min + tret as well
>>18720318>2.5mg dutgod damn dude. though if you're one of those retards only take it once or twice a week, you're much better off dropping the dosage to something sane and taking it daily. 2.5mg min is really low, the normal dosage is twice that amount.All that said, hairline isn't expected to budge for the most part. Unless you're a dut hyper responder, you need to microneedle + topical min to get some very slight hairline gainz.
>>18719982>Completely miniaturized and scarred follicles don't all regrow when DHT is gone.They're not going to regrow with estrogen either if the follicle doesn't even exist anymore. Are you niggas forgetting that women also go bald. The point is that troons post their good results with HRT and they would've achieved the same shit with high dut doses and maxxing out regrowth with min, tret, microneedling. You can go to that troon's post and see xhe had a decent regrowth stack but was using topical fin, and in the comments you'll see other troons saying that HRT wasn't that effective in regrowing hair
>>18720352women go bald because they stop producing enough estrogen and their background levels of testosterone take over and activate the DHT pathway like in men
>>18720354Completely irrelevant to his post.
Is it true you counteract the effects of inhibiting DHT by masturbating since this encourages the production of DHT-rich sebum getting blasted onto the skin during orgasms?
>>18720245>>18720299Is HRT even reversible without permanent effects? God I hope any of those new hairloss medications will be able to regrow the hairline, it’s literally all I need. HRT afaik is also only done to people with the "right" psychic profile.
>>18720391it's probably reversible up until you start growing boobs
what’s the best time of day to take fin?
>>18720471I don't think it matters. I take mine every night around 10pm to 12am
hairline is so important...
new thread: >>18720640
>>18720142This is why you should have at least a months worth of supply on hand at all times of all meds you're on, preferably several or even a year for truly essential stuff in case of severe production issues.>but i only get a script for x months and they won't give me another one until it's overI solved that by straight up lying i lost my supply in an accident to get a new script. I'm also on meds for an autoimmune disease i have a years worth of, I'm not fucking dying over supply issues.
>>18720142it doesn't matter. it's extremely lenient. worst case you'll experience a shed.
>>18719461Thanks for recommending, i just did the online consultation, but it said on of their "medical professionals" will have to check first before they send it. is that pretty reliable?
