/balding/ and /finasteride/ general - hair is love, hair is life!Sticky: http://tuxbell.com/index.php/BaldingReminder that if you can clearly see down to your scalp when your hair is wet, your hair is thinning, lots of small new hairs sprouting at the hairline or crown is a sign of hair recession.Holy trinity:Tabs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FinasterideLotion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MinoxidilShampoo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KetoconazoleFinasteride/Dutasteride are 5-alpha reductase inhibitors that prevent free T from being converted to DHT, a byproduct of testosterone that serves no purpose after puberty but to choke out your hair follicles and make them thin out and die in a few short years, a condition known as androgenic alopecia.5ar inhibitors prevent your hair from getting any worse, mild regrowth is expected, rapid onset diffuse thinners see a significant recovery on fin alone. Can be taken orally or topically.5ARIs are not dosage dependent, taking as little as as 0.2mg daily fin can reduce serum DHT by 68%, while 5mg reduces by 72%.0.5mg daily dut reduces serum DHT by 95%, but is considered a second line treatment, and can be more expensive and harder to get prescribed. Start with fin.Fin has been used to treat benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH) for 30+ years, it's very well studied and is tolerated well in almost all men, however, there's a 1-2% risk of erectile issues in controlled studies.These can be avoided by reducing dosage, spacing out dosage, or stopping the drug. Fin takes days to fully bio-accumulate, the half life of fin is about 8 hours, adverse effects occuring within minutes of starting fin or persisting long after stopping fin are not real and have no basis in reality. Please note that dut has a much higher half-life of 5 weeks, if you're prone to fin sides, dut may cause them for far longer.Refer to https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3481923/ before responding to PFS trolls.
Minoxidil (liquid and tabs) is a vasodialator that opens potassium channels and widens blood vessels bringing nutrients to your hair follicles, stimulating them into thickening, accelerating growth and elongating the growth phase. Min is taken with fin to restore your hair to it's original hairline, thickness and vigor when hair loss is caught early enough, (pre-NW2). Can be taken orally or topically.Topical min does not work in 1/3 of men because they lack the required enzymes in their scalp, all men have this enzyme in their liver so the oral route is a good fallback.The FDA formulation for 5% liquid minoxidil is food safe (vape juice, ethanol and water) and can be safely taken orally if oral min tabs are expensive or rarely prescribed where you live. As a general rule, ~4 drops (0.1ml) = 5mg minoxidil.There's a 1-2% risk of fluid retention with higher oral dosages, start with the lowest dosage possible and work your way up when you're sure it's well tolerated.Ketoconazole is an anti-androgen and antifungal that inhibits DHT on the scalp and used to treat fungal infections of the scalp that may be making your hair loss worse such as seborrheic dermatitis, a condition where you exhibit severe greasy, flaky large dandruff flakes with dried yellow crystals (blood plasma) embedded in the scalp. Some people may only have traction alopecia (hair loss from scratching or friction), but it will not cure androgenic alopecia on it's own. Can only be taken topically.Do not use spirolactone. Spirolactone is a diuretic which, in large doses, inhibits testosterone and, by extension, DHT.It is regularly prescribed as an anti-androgen for male to female HRT, and thus, comes with an astronomically higher risk of sexual side effects in men including ED, gynecomastia, and can cause potassium toxicity.Previous thread: https://boards.4chan.org/fa/thread/18707510#top
>>18720640I'm just gonna be a normal old guy with normal hair loss. It's a better look than taking medicines and buying products desperately trying to pretend I'm still 20.Once it gets too thin to look decent I'll go for the Stone Cold look and shave it.
>>18720641>Ketoconazoleshould I followe the directions on the box or is there another way of using it for balding
I've been on finasteride for a few years. I'm pretty sure I just hit norwood 3.I should switch to dutasteride right? 1/2
>>18720693My cut has been hiding my balding pretty well so far, but I'm pretty sure it wont hide shit anymore if I don't switch to a stronger medication. Plus I heard dutasteride can bring me back to a 2.5 pretty fast is that true? 2/2
>>18720693I can't tell from this angle if you're actually norwooding or if you just have a big forehead
>>18720702Both Claude and Grok say I'm NW3
Didn't read thread. If you're balding and can grow a beard or mustache or have a very square jaw, you're completely fine. If not, kill yourself. It's that simple. Source: Norwood 14 and viking beard.
>>18720772classic
I'm thinning. Countermeasures aside, should I switch to a bald barber who will understand my suffering better? One with an older clientele perhaps? I can't blame my current one for not being able to work miracles, I still felt a judgemental aura coming from him last time I went, and it was a miss.
>>18720880Why would you even think that? I'm not a janny and I don't browse reddit. anyway how bad is it? should I ask for dutasteride at my next dermatologist appointment? One simple reverse image search shows none of these pictures are on reddit so idk what the fuck you're on anon
>>18720693You are like a norwood 1.5-2. Hairline is straight with minor temporal recession on the right. I think your camera angles are making it look worse than it is.
How noticeable is my thinning at the temples? Do I have a chance to get them back if I start min?
>>18720918the general rule is you're not getting back your temples. but the square parts seem to be there. you should start fin if you haven't.
>>18720920Yeah I'm already on dut. I don't want to risk losing more.
>>18720880owned. trannitor will literally NEVER recover from this...
>>18720952Shizo posting
>>18720957why does the drawing representing you have a full head of hair and not a norwood 67 hairline?
>>18720965so your hair is important to you, there's no guarantee you keep it without drugs, bud
>>18721014not how it works. you're retarded.
>>18721012Imagine being 40 and searching for trannies on 4chan balding thread
>Visits plebbit's /r/balding>Visits 4chan's /balding/ general>"I...I'm 40 without hair loss!"Yeah I doubt that Mr. Norwood 6.
>>18721020No, he's correct. You're retarded. Looking forward to you proving you didn't understand his post.
>>18721092You're angry because you're bald.
/schizo/ general
>>18721101pull your hair back and show your hairline instead of brushing it forward you emo fag
>>18720640I have long hair like the joker. It already looks bad and a buzz cut might look worse as it won't conceal my hairline, but it's tempting to do because I had a buzz cut earlier and it was more comfy. What do you think guys?
>>18721081No. You're the retard.
>>18721115>theres a bunch of studies showing that nw 2-3 in the temples is seen as slightly more attractive than a juvenile hairline to women. citation needed? timothee chalamet is the latest hollywood heartthrob and he has his juvenile hairline
>>18721116because hairy men don't go bald and non-hairy men do constantly? are you fucking retarded. go outside some time.
>>18721103Post your hairline now m8.
>>18721120no one knows what genes drive hair loss you fucking idiot. AGAIN I ALREADY TOLD YOU THIS: THERE ARE PLENTY OF BALD HAIRLESS MEN AND HAIRY NON BALD MEN. get a grip man.
>>18721125because their follicles are more resistant to DHT? And they do go bald. AND THEY STILL GO BALD even if at a lesser rate. you're an idiot with your stupid observations backed by NOTHING but bro science.
>>18721117i don't think he'd make it as an average joe.
>>18721130>moving the goalpostyou're an idiot. and no I'm not your imaginary schizo friend I just posted to call you out on your bullshit. I don't post frequently.
>>18721135again, stop changing the subject and admit you're wrong. it's good for you.
>>18721139stop moving the goalpost buddy. it's not going to work. get back on topic.
>>18721142you really need to learn to accept defeat and stick on topic instead of inventing bogeymen.
>>18721144you're on still on this? get back on topic instead of trying to move goalposts.
>>18721146not ar argument. get back on topic.
>>18721150not an argument. get back to actually talking about hairloss.
>>18721146I don't get why you people are obsessed with this supposedly brown australian trannyisn't this thread supposed to be about hair?
>>18721152what proof? you gave some magical gene when there are no real genes. no real proof of hairless men being less prone to hairloss except anecedotal observation. correlation =! causation. n=1 does not equal proof.
>>18721151yeah nah, that doesn't fly after >>18721103. you lost.
>>18721157womp womp.
>>18721162>inspect elementwomp womp.
Imagine buying a hair subscription Pathetic
>>18721164not an argument.
>>18721166your image isn't an argument. its less than worthless when, forget inspect element, even a 5 year old can delete the (You) at the end in paint.
>>18721169not an argument.
>>18721171>>18721169
>>18721173not an argument.
>>18721103erm, m8? your hairline pic?? where did all that confidence suddenly go i wonder???
>>187211651 Avodart capsule is approximately 1$imagine how many hair transplants could have been avoided if they just started spending 1 dollar a day at 18I can't imagine a higher ROI product to be honest
>>18721174>>18721169
>>18721157>how come the balding thread is getting 3 times more posts per hour than the entire rest of the board right now?because you're spamming it on cooldown?
>>18721177not an argument.
>>18721179>>18721169
>>18721180not an argument.
how to remedy brittle hair? not balding
>>18721178He was talking about before the trannitor was called out you brainlet. Also if you're so worried about spam, you can take it up with this coping retard>>18721166>>18721171>>18721174>>18721179>>18721184
>>18721185it's useless after puberty
>>18721185all the male models and celebs take propecia/avodart take it as an average skinny fat man and all that will change is that your hair won't die
>>18721187I already told you not an argument. you're the one who went down this schizo spam rabbithole instead of addressing any of my points with actual proof instead of anecdotes.
>>18721188It's not, people need to stop spreading this misinformation.>DHT, not testosterone, is the active androgen in the heart and brain>https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/ar.1092230410>Declining DHT causes cardiovascular disease>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36693531/>Raising DHT reverses systemic atherosclerosis>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37053049/>DHT treats thyroid cancer>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34422798/>DHT stop the aging of pancreatic beta-cells>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33474846/>DHT works better than testosterone at improving blood pressure and insulin sensitivity>https://diabetesjournals.org/care/article-abstract/24/12/2149/20634/Androgen-Therapy-Improves-Insulin-Sensitivity>DHT treatment restores anabolism and sexuality in 70-90 year old men>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/13242770/>DHT is negatively associated with death from prostate cancer>https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/pros.23991>DHT is a potent estrogen antagonist>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/6542571/>Inhibition of DHT causes "severe hypothyroidism">https://genesandnutrition.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12263-017-0555-5I'm on dut myself and accept I'm making a health sacrifice for my hair.
>>18721192Yes and you were told by multiple people now that your "not an arguement" cope is worthless.
>>18721195what are you on about you retard.
>>18721199major cope + not an argument... again.
>>18721202now this is a major non argument(+ cope)
>>18721193I checked the three first arguments and quickly looked at each source you provided alongside and the best I could find was correlation. The sources you provided do not provide any explanation for why DHT is important in the role of cardiovascular health.
>>18721205not an argument buddy. keep barking for me like the abused dog you are though.
>>18721120Checks out. I have really strong beard and body growth and even on dut and oral min can’t seem to stop let alone regrow my hair(line).
>>18721210>>18721213>>18721214not an argument... still.
>>18721217all that yap and no argument to be found... still.
>>18721217I'm convinced whoever is behind these posts have the intention of making the thread reach bump limit to gatekeep hairloss prevention info from lurkersI pretty much know all there is to know about hair loss already so I don't really mindyou do you man
>>18721193DHT active in heart/brain - Autoradiography shows where DHT binds, not that it's "the" active androgen. Can't distinguish locally converted vs circulating DHT. 35yr old technique.Declining DHT causes CVD - 23 men, cross-sectional. Correlation not causation. Multiple androgens declined together, can't isolate DHT. Age is the obvious confounder.DHT reverses atherosclerosis - Mouse study. DHT injected into the brain, not systemic. Measured risk factors not actual plaque. T also worked. Massive overstatement.DHT treats thyroid cancer - In vitro only. Changed one surface marker on one cell line. No tumor regression, no animal data, no patients. Paper is about sex differences not proposing treatment.DHT stops beta-cell aging - Rat cell line hit with peroxide in a dish. One cell line, one stressor, no in vivo data. "Stops aging" is wild overstatement.DHT better than T for insulin - 3-page brief report, small sample, 3 months. Whether DHT beat T or both just beat placebo is unclear. Healthy men not diabetics. No replication in 25yrs.DHT restores elderly men - 8 men, no controls, no blinding, 1955. Measured mineral balance not muscle or sexual function. "Restored sexuality" from nitrogen data is nonsense.DHT vs prostate cancer death - 195 men, one blood draw then 30yr follow-up. Serum DHT ≠ intraprostatic DHT. Authors call own finding "contradictory." Likely reverse causation.DHT is potent antiestrogen - Mouse mammary gland, pharmacological doses. Before ERα/ERβ discovered. No affinity data to justify "potent." Clinically unvalidated.DHT inhibition causes hypothyroidism - Review paper. Hypothyroidism from pesticides being directly thyrotoxic, not from blocking DHT. Finasteride doesn't cause hypothyroidism. Two toxicities conflated.TL;DR: Correlations sold as causation, cell lines sold as treatments, n=8-23, framing overshoots what papers say.
>>18721225you were quicker to respond before. what happened? think I'm gonna lent? Nah nigga im here for at least 8 hours one this tab watching this shit like a hawk to post the brutal truth of: NOT AN ARGUMENT FOUND.
>>18721207It's not accurate to say they provide no explanation for why DHT might matter. One of those studies demonstrates direct DHT interaction with cardiovascular tissue, another examines cardiovascular consequences of androgen deprivation and discusses mechanistic pathways, and the third links lower DHT to endothelial dysfunction, arterial stiffness, and vascular inflammation while proposing biological mechanisms. The evidence may be insufficient to establish causation, but it is stronger than simple unexplained correlation.
is it normal to see scalp with a guard 3 (10mm) buzzcut on top?
>>18720640I'm in my early twenties, NW2, and just started using 0.5mg dutasteride per day. How long should I wait before getting a hair transplant? I'd like to get a juvenile hairline, but it might not be worth it because I don't know how long I can maintain it. Thoughts?
>>18721186copper, seleniumbasically things you would get from liver or oysters
>>18721242I was thinking maybe waiting 2 years and if I either maintained or gained decide to get a hairtransplant thentoo soon?
daily reminder that Julius Caesar was bald
>>18721242the thing is that I'm not going to be satisfied with my hairline unless it's NW0I'm thinking that I'm going to benefit more from that NW0 hairline the younger I amthe older I get, the less my hair is going to matterI would rather go completely bald earlier let's say when I'm 40than save those hair follicles so I can maintain a NW4 when I'm in my 50's or whateverI'm already on the strongest treatment I can tolerate (0.5 mg dut per day)I tried taking two dutasteride a day for a few days and it gave me significant discomfort in my stomach that lasted for about a week
to nobody's surprise, the spammer turns out to be a dht denialist bludflow proponent
>>18721268you cannot promote bludflow and suddenly try to cite clinical data, your fellow bludflow proponents wised up and now blame big pharma/big shampoo or the "dangers" of dht inhibition comparing it to chemical castration
>>18721272>if you think taking dht blockers that negatively impact your sex drive and ability to maintain muscle mass finasteride and dutasteride aren't dht blockersdht has a paltry effect on libido/muscle mass/sex drive>when you could just get a better haircutthe wind, rain, the pool, the fact that your hair doesn't stay in one place without hair spray, the fact that a NW3 man is missing tens of thousands of hair follicles and styling is difficult period>>18721273botox promotes growth through growth factors, not this preposterous idea that it makes your scalp more taut = more growth. and hair growth even in controlled trials can happen in the placebo group, there is nothing bludflow proponents have compared to the actual clinical trials on minoxidil and 5ar inhibitors
>>18721272>99% of people cant tell nw1 from nw3 with a good hairwith this haircut in picrel they will>if you think taking dht blockers that negatively impact your sex drive and ability to maintain muscle mass will help you get laidmy sex drive hasn't changed and I have basically no muscles to begin withthat's not the appeal I'm going forI'm okay with not being the most masculine guymy body is effeminate, my crush in high school thought I was gay because I look like a faggotit's my overall size and bone structureif I posted my face here I'm very certain you'd call me a faggot tooI've seen pictures of myself I can see it tooit is what it isI'm not gay I'm bisexual
>>18721291I'm afraid, possibly paranoid someone will analyze the metadata of the image I post and track me down so I won't
>>18721289>the most maculinizing hormone in the human bodyit's a paracrine/intracrine hormone that is mainly active in the hair, prostate, and skin. and the effects in these tissues are for the worse. muscles have extremely low 5ar activity >lol any haircut with a fringe or bangs no one is going to see your temples with a nw2-3they will notice the thinness because you are missing hair dumbass. >youre really promoting taking hormone blockers just so you can rock a man bun and a slick back? come the fuck on.more styles = more versatility and your original hairline. try shaving off 75% of your eyebrows and see how much worse your face is framed, that's what a NW3 is for your forehead>no?>are you retarded?you literally have not looked at even ONE clinical study because this happens all the time in hair loss research>what do you mean by actual clinical trials?double-blind, large sample size, control group, tracked over a large period of time >everything this rat taced tranny janny posts is a lie.I fucking WISH I was a janny so I could see how many times you have spammed and samefagged this general
>>18721298It's actually just one person posting in this thread let's be real
>mfw after starting a thread and posting 155 consecutive posts replying to myself
Can you realistically get great results only with topical rogaine? i started couple months ago and havent seen much of anything, granted I mightve used too little in the first month.
>>18721321You can't counter MPB with min alone. You will improve initially but it won't last without treating the underlying cause.
i honestly hope finasteride kills my libido
>past thread>350 posts in 19 days>next thread>160 posts in 23 hoursyeah, it's schizo melty hours I guess
If you're tall (6'2"+) just wear a toupee. No one is gonna know.
>>18721439Clav's bro Androgenic was thinking the same until someone snatched it. And he’s wearing heel extensions to get his height up to 6'5
>>18721439Yeah no one except your partner you actually spend your time at home with. I'm sure her respect for you as man won't plummet when she finds out.
>>18721531Women are masters of disguise, they're surprisingly ok with stuff like that. I don't think you could ever push it too far in that direction.
>>18721531>>18721537it's completely 50/50 with women on thissome don't care others will be icked out instantly
>>18721439but if you're short it would be noticeable?how could someone tell?
recent fin userany reasons as to why i feel great during the day, but at night my libido and mood go down the drain? i can manage to jerk off and get pretty erect but the orgasm is awful compared to what it used to be. also my overall mood + focus is numbing. no motivation to do what i usually like to do and less feeling (sad and/or happy feelings)(i did an awful cut and ruined my T level for a few months 3 years ago so i know exactly what low libido feels like, it’s the exact same as that)
>>18721480He didn't think no one was going to know. He had been talking about his hair transplant and showing his shaved head on his stream for a billion days prior. Everyone watching the stream knew his head was shaved and that he was wearing the hair hat.
>>18720693>I should switch to dutasteride right?The only downside to dut is that it's a bit harder to get and a bit more expensive. If you can get it and afford it, there's pretty much no reason not to use it. I switched to dut instead of renewing my fin prescription.
>>18721724You probably posted like a retard saying your hair was falling out without any context. Clearly you were a very sick individual physically to have such a problem and surely your mental capacity was affected in some way.
holy shit why is this guy not banned yet. literally 0 contributions but spam.
Taking fin and minAlso I take zinc, D3+K2, Magnesium Glycinate and AshwagandhaDon't know if I should be taking these suplements, raising the levels of free test, specially with ashwagandha.
you know when you breathe in through your nose and you reach all the way, and at the end sometimes your body does a little shiver? i don’t have things like that anymore on fin, i can’t even force it. why?
>>18721986I honestly don't know what you're referring to
>>18721995you have to reach all the way
>>18722002I still don't know what you're referring tois there a word for it?
>>18720957Very jeet coded post
>>18721103Gone awfully quite after this post didn't you fag
my HT recovery feels like it's going flawlesslyI'm on day 7 post-op and I have 0 scabs and next to no redness99% graft survival rate or too hopeful? lol
>>18722192FUE?
>>18722196FUT+FUE
How much do you guys pay for oral minoxidil (generic) and Avodart (brand)? Is 256€ for 90 Avodart pills and 100 10mg oral min pills a good price in comparison to your country?
>>18722205how many grafts?past and present norwood?
>>187222596170 graftsdiffuse nw5-6 I guess I posted a pic in the previous thread, don't wanna spam
how many days on finasteride do you start to see any sort of results?
>>18722343If you're lucky enough to gain from it about 1 yearwhat really matters though is whether you maintain over many yearsbecause even though you're inhibiting the enzyme, it's not 100%DHT is reduced by 41% in the scalp with finasteride
>>18722343fin is gay, imagine waiting up to 2 years for resultsniggas need to start getting on 0.1mg duta immediately and skipping finless sides, more efficacy, and more immediate results compared to fin
Can dutasteride be worse for some people than finasteride?I maintained on fin I think for 2 years, changed to dut 3.5 years ago for hair greed and have recessed a whole NW level, and it’s getting worse.I know the studies say dut is better but this is ruining my confidence and my life. Idk what to do
>>18722363If it's working then don't fuck with it. You also need to taper first, so many people disregard that and end up losing the entirety of their gains. After 3.5 years without improvement something is going wrong, maybe your DUT is counterfeit?
>>18722363Because it's only reducing DHTit doesn't block it completelyand I think the more recessed you are the, the likelier and earlier you are going to keep receding despite taking medicationso it's either this or another form of alopecia
>>18722369I took them both for a year when switching over. It’s dut from a pharmacy not India or something >>18722369Do you think I should try fin again? Or ask a derm their opinion or something
>>18722373Are you storing it improperly in high temperatures?
>>18721817Opinions please, should i stay off all suplement crap or not
>>18722386Doesn't really matter if your balding doesn't progress. By the nature of how DHT inhibitors work you are already raising your free test considerably with fin.
>>18722381Nope I keep it in a cool dry place
>>18722407What is your dose?
>>187224100.5mg daily. Accord brand dutasteride
>>18722427Are you British? Ngl I wouldn’t trust accord after them recalling some of their stuff a few years ago. Hope you don’t pay too much.
Taking oral min and fin in the evening gives me the feeling of being in a rocking boat when im trying to sleepDoes this go away after you're used to itShould I split it up, one in the morning and one in the afternoon?
>>18720640We're all gonna make it bros. Never lose hope, never give up.
>>18722750that's the oral min, and yeah it went away after a week or so for me
>>18722750What is your dose of oral min? It matters a lot what the dose would be split into.
I lost most of the hair on top of my head in my 30s. I definitely look worse in photos every year that goes by, but attention of women, or respect from men hasn't change at all in 10 years.I think we can see that it's not worth worrying about, unless you have an ugly face with hair that was distracting people from that fact.
>>18722386I don't think you can grow your hair back, but my boomer advice is to take care of yourself from the inside out so that your organs stay healthy and you don't lose more than just hair. Being bald is one thing, but needing a tooth pulled, or having bad skin or just looking ragged is another thing. Don't let it all pile up. In summation, take care of your liver, it's the one thing keeping toxins from having to exit your skin, its last resort.
>>18721986Is this the same shiver after you have a good pee?
>>18722970>just be handsomeThank you professor this revelation changes everything
If you've already started visiting these threads, it's over. Just close it and move on with improving other aspects.
>>18723036I'm doing it for myself and for my future robot girlfriends.
has anyone had luck with the whole scalp tension theory? The bald spots on my head are the tightest skin, it's like thin skin on bone, so I feel like it if it had elasticity, it would be able to grow.
>>18723048>The bald spots on my head are the tightest skin, it's like thin skin on boneThis has been noticed by a lot of people including myself, but I haven't noticed it translating to hair growth after stretching the areas out and having them thicken up.
>>18723051I think it's similar to how other areas of the body can't grow hair where there's no fat underneath, like kneecaps, knuckles, etc. Maybe preventive stuff could help before the stress gets to the top of the head.
>>18723052Yeah. I don't doubt it can help, but it's probably most effective as a preventive measure. Just don't let shit get too tight and thin in the first place.
>>18723048yes. i regrew my hair fully no meds. i think botox shows a lot of promise as a non medical cure to hair loss in some men if caught early enough. biggest potential long term risk would be botox migrating. its also dependent on the skill of the practitioner in deciding where to place the shot.i bet guys with inversion tables go bald less.>>18723051its been clinically proven to work w/ large sample size.but the theory is that its a leading cause of hair loss, not the sole cause, so not everyone responds to it.the way your post's written makes me think you probably didn't do the scalp massage correctly. you're supposed to push hard, and drag the skin across your skull. not just stretch it. if you arent dragging the skin it isnt going to increase blood flow in deep enough tissue to have any effect.its also like minoxodil where you have to be consistent with it every day for months to start noticing the effect.
>>18723061I'll give it a shot, I'm assuming it only helps the existing baby hairs grow, it can't bring back areas where it's too far gone. But I'll look great if I could just get the baby hairs be be thick like the sides again.
>>18723063anything that isn't scarred yet can be regrown, in theory. if your scalp's shiny in the area its gone for good. if its not shiny that area could potentially be recovered without a transplant. the most aggressive approach would be a holistic approach tackling it from both the dht sensitivity and blood flow/scalp tension angle. i see no reason why not to rub your head 10-30min a day if youre already on meds. cant hurt.more blood flow helps make the baby hairs thicken and be more likely to go terminal and stick around. bloodflow alone in some cases absolutely can make already gone areas with no baby hairs that arent scarred come back, but how good it is at doing that is questionable. but minoxidil's good at that in most not all men. one could use minox to get the hair growth started, scalp massage to help them thicken and go terminal, and experiment with tapering off minoxidil by spacing out doses and seeing if you got your hairs to be healthy enough that they'll stay on your head off meds or on lessmeds. way i see it is its a minox/fin/dut amplifier and ups your chances of not having to do the min part your whole life. scalp massage as a standalone treatment id mostly recommend to guys who want to embrace-pill and not do anything about their hair loss, who wanna slow down their progression.ive also seen really good results in women i know with diffuse thinning or just really fine hair that ive suggested massages to.
i think if i remember right its around 18% increase in hair thickness on average and about the same % of guys respond to it as minox. don't quote me on that but i think its around there. and it works on non male pattern baldness alopecias and it works on women and it works on people who dont even have hair loss and just want thicker hair. massages are underrated and underutilized, a lot of ppl do them wrong or not consistent enough to give up. i bet a lot of guys out there who caught it early could live without a transplant if they did massages with the min/dut regimen and got on it early. esp guys with crown not temple thinning as the crown responds better.
>>18723067Good info thanks anon.
>>18723061>i regrew my hair fully no medsDo you have any before/after pics?
>>187228672.5 milligrams
i jerk off way more now on finasteride, fukken liars
i wish i had known about fin/dut before i hit the point of no return
>>18723098Same, it's like I'm a teenager again.
>>18723099i started the first moment one of my younger cousins commented on my hair. up until that point i was kind of in denial. well i'm only 21, my hair's naturally light and thin so youd see my scalp, its just a mature hairline nbd, everybody looks like shit with direct overhead lighting bro, yada yada
Went to the doctor for the first time since starting oral min and my blood pressure was low enough to get prescribed adderall. Win/win
>>18723075i timestamped my after earlier itt. i don't really wanna post the before again because it sets off the schizo.i used min for a while then stopped when the hairs got thick enough. some fell out in one of my temples but most stayed, everything stayed in the other. maybe i shoulda waited a little longer to go off the min but hey.and its important to say i eat really clean with a lowinflammation diet, silk pillowcases rotated and washed frequently, and i am knowledgeable and picky with the chemicals in my haircare products (a lot of stuff commonly used is known to cause hair loss)
>>18723103lmao basedsell them to zoomers and get bed sheets
>>18723097Your dose is too low to split without sacrificing major gains. Just take it in the morning your blood pressure will return to normal within 8 hours.
>>18723107>my afterso it's a lie to make men go bald. got it!
>>18723110hey look, the schizos here. you know whats probably a lie? the barrage of posts talking about how dut increased peoples libidos right after my posts haha.you know what else is a lie? you pretending you havent seen my before after. i can just post it later when im home if you want.
>>18723116Your autoimmune condition is not male pattern baldness. You are a very sick individual with red scaly skin, stop giving homeopathic african witchdoctor advice to healthy people with male pattern baldness.
just a casual reminder to everyone that this >>18723110 is the anon who demanded that i post my hairline, then dodged and avoided posting his because he doesn't want to show you guys that he's a fat black wheelchair troon in real life. it should insult your intelligence that he has the audacity to think anyone itt will take his accusations of "lies" seriously after acting like that haha.o also whys he posting 8hrs a day in here every day? anyone think thats weird? does he have friends, family, a life? does he do anything other than post on 4chan every day? is that normal?
>>18723118we're still waiting to see a pic of your hairline with timestamp, troon
>>18723118why do you post here dusk to dawn every day and insta reply to everything?thats strange.have you ever posted a pic of yourself?
does this guy just spam bad medical advice in the balding thread and gorillamaxx guy in every thread 10 hours a day?lol kind of seems more like some weird psychological warfare stuff than a real person. what does it do? just post on 4chan every day? it doesnt have friends or family? no hobbies? no job? no partner? it doesnt even play video games? its just here shilling spiro fin and dut every day?does anyone believe this is a real person?
>>18723119>>18723120>>18723122>>18723123Meds
>>18723125No problem
>>18723135Stay on topic
>>18723138It was only for your eyes bb
Reminder that men with baldness gene are elite. The richest man in the world is a bald guy with a transplant and the president of US is a bald guy on finasteride. If you have full head of hair thanks to meds you should still tell everyone you were balding so they know you're part of the aristocracy
>>18721259he did all it could to hide it though
>>18723177Not so fast.
heres the selfie that the jew deleted."antisemites are... LE BAD PEOPLE! because they uhhhhhh don't like me spreading medical misinformation and encouraging suicide online!"
its mocking you guys and making fun of how you guys can't tell its a subversive jew here to hurt people
have u ever wondered if the reason you're hated is because of your own behavior, misery merchant?
>>18722970>>18722993Having healthy looking thick hair is part of being considered handsome for the majority of women.
>>18723236why repost this, delete this shit dude
>>18722993The older I get the more I realize that there are two completely different worlds. One for the good-looking and one for everyone else. The way I experience the world and how my life has been so far is completely different from mediocre or ugly people. They have no idea how different my world is. They simply can't relate.
>>18723236I'm not even jewish, post it all you want you look like a girl.
>>18723279True but if you're 6'2 range with a masculine face balding isn't the end of the world. When you're sub 6 foot and more on the "pretty" side it will absolutely rock your shit.
>>18723335Nice dude sounds like you were the king of your trailer park lol.
>>18723342There is certainly truth to it being gay coded although since it's currently in vogue the female attention currently outweighs that. From my experience it's definitely worth it for now if you're on the fence about one.
>>18723345I called myself a masculine manly man? You can ad hom me for 10 posts straight but g-d forbid I make a single joke about a guy with long hair covering his entire face.>>18723362No I've been in a relationship for almost 2 years. I haven't been an incel since highschool. I'm a zillennial I wouldn't classify myself as either or, it was a blip between the two generations with distinct experiences from either.
>>18723371I hate resonating with dehumanizing shit like picrel but it hopefully adds some clarity. Anyway enough off topic this is a retarded waste of everyones time.
>>18723379For myself and my own style I think it's a complimentary statement more so than a trend. If I were into the full zoomer attire I would never dare. They look completely ridiculous and incongruent with those huge baggy fits and fresh faces. The under 25s rocking them as neutered males would certainly call my inspiration for it "toxic".
>>18723387Man I just want to help young people avoid going bald with my own experience from a time before help like this could be provided on the internet. I'm not well versed on the lore and don't post anywhere else. It's your beef to have I don't want to take part in your crusade. Btw I have advised plenty of people over the years to seek out alternatives when showing symptoms outside of what we know to be typically MPB. I really don't think your enemy has been in these threads for a while.
>>18723408>>18723411In theory it should be augmenting minoxidil distribution/localization(to a degree) to the scalp particularly with oral as well as mimicking the MOA for non users. Though with anything, we would have long discovered it if the key to hairless was merely a repetitive physical exercise.
new to the general, are there more schizo postss here than regular generals because of the finasteride brain?
>>18723411I just want a nice headband that pulls the scalp so that the top can get bloodflow
Should I buzz off my hair for easier hair regrowth? Oral min and Dutasteride ain’t helping with my 50cm long ass hair but my hairline is embarrassing and I want to hide it.
New shipment of Avodart and oral min just arrived. Does anyone know, if production country matters? My old Avodart was produced in Poland and my new one in the Netherlands.
10th day of finpeople usually say fin makes their cum more watery, mine was quite watery before fin but now it’s a lot more slimey (still clear coloured)why?
>>18723572there is a schizophrenic troon who posts harmful advice in here called blint / kekke.
>>18723881It shouldn't matter unless there have been recalls associated with that specific version
>>18723670Switch to oral formulations if you want to have long hairstyles. There will always be wasted product if you keep your hair longer than a 0 buzz.
3.5 months into oral min 2.5mgpraying to Jaysus everryday that I start seeing something happening
>>18723954that's kinda a low dose innit
>Dr.B jacking up prices from $15 to $19 cus cost of doctor go up please understandthey don't even hide that you're talking to a chatbot, no real doctor ever looked at your pics anyway, what the fuck
>>18724532the nigga still has to go to their sstem and write you a script. please understand boomer-chan filling out your details and giving you the script.
>>18724532Thats more than it costs for generic propecia shipped from costplusdrugs lmao
>>18724573That's for a "consultation" to get a prescription, and you need a prescription to get fin from costplusdrugs. To Dr B's credit, a lot of places in burgerland will still charge you a $25 - $50 "copay" even if you have insurance to get a consultation with an irl GP. If you don't have insurance, it's often $100 - $200. And they can still deny you the prescription no refunds lol. Derms tend to cost even more, often (def not always depending on the plan) have no insurance coverage at all if the visit isn't specifically for something like skin cancer, and generally have way less availability.
I've been using this kirkland Minoxidil topic that I bought from random eBay profiles. for two months or more-Are these just alcohol because it totally looks it... Do you guys use the oral version or just stay with the topic one
>>18724598The liquid version like in your picture works, but only if you have a clear scalp with no underlying inflammation or folliculitis. The foam is nothing more than a glorified mousse, albeit a great mousse.The pill is the best bet that yields great results, though the side effect is two weeks of water retention until your kidneys figure it out.Whatever you do, do NOT orally consume the topical.
>>18723955idk m8if I don't see something by mid September I'm hopping on 5mg
What do?
>>18724618Perfectly safe to take topical orally if you can do basic math.
>>18724618So what’s better/efficacious, foam or liquid? The liquid has PG in it, which is a penetration enhancer and subsides longer on the skin while the foam dries real fast (which makes me think it’s not as effective but way more convenient)
>>18724767>perfectly safe to orally administer a topical formulation that lacks the quality standards for manufacturing and testing required of oral formulations and has entirely different pharmacokineticsI wish you retards read a book once in your life.
>>18725005This nigga literally believes a topical formulation totally behaves the exact same when ingested as an oral formulation does and that the manufacturer takes great care to ensure his topicals are safe in case of ingestion by a retarded poor that can't afford a derm consultation. Post the micropipette you use for accurately administering 100 µL.
>>18725015>>18725017First-pass metabolism is fundamentally different between liquids and solids. Absorption rate and peak concentration can vary at the same dosage, assuming you're even measuring your dosage with acceptable accuracy, which you probably aren't, because you're not getting µL accuracy with household tools.>i-it doesn't matter lolEvidence > wishful thinking. There is no evidence to rule out ingesting topical min is totally fine. It's not smart to ingest a drug that has not been tested for ingestion because lol only dosage matters. It's smart to just go to a derm or aesthetic medicine doctor, inform them you've been on topical min for a while, you are not getting the results you've been expecting and would like to try oral.>inb4 min isn't registered for alopecia in my countryDoctors can prescribe off label, pharmacies can prepare oral min. It doesn't matter. Go to a hair clinic ideally, they shouldn't have any qualms about it.>>18725020>I was merely pretending to be retardedright
>>18725024We have the formulations printed on the bottles/box of every reputable minoxidil manufacturer. The levels of absorption and accuracy of dose variation could have small deviations for the amount of drug we are working with, like 0.4ml of liquid containing 6mg instead of the intended 5mg.As a side a faster absorption and thus a higher peak concentration (within the dose parameters above) do lead to greater results as this is the metric we measure when comparing the effectiveness of different dosages ie. 5mg is more effective than 2.5mg because of peak concentration. If anything the liquid is actually more effective with an inconsequential margin for error.
>>18725120peak concentration is not good, this is precisely why long release minoxidil is being made
it's getting rough out there for bald + bearded men...
>>18725120Peak concentration is not a good thing. What matters is long term blood concentration and longevity and just as >>18725199 said, companies are working towards slow release minoxidil like VDPHL-01 or that sublingual minoxidil from Rodney Sinclair.
>>18724900The Kirkland brand of foam is quite different than the other brands. It’s a lot creamier like shaving cream, whereas the off brands a more drying like cheap shitty mousse. Neither of them are really worth it as intended usage. I just get a pack of Kirkland minoxidil and use it as a mousse before going out. Just blow dry that shit in.If you want a topical for hair growth, meaning intended use, just use the liquid. I usually use it after a shower and wear a sweatband for a minute so none of it dribbles onto my forehead or eyes.The pill is the ultimate form which works well. Mind you, it’s not how many pills you take, but how much of a consistency it’s in your body. More gas in your car’s tank won’t make it run better.
>>18725024>Go to a hair clinic.Your best bet is a dermatologist, actually. I live in the US and I went in for folliculitis and antibiotics only to leave with a grocery list for hair growth medication. The only one insurance didn’t cover was Finasteride, and it’s not expensive.
use a ketoconazole shampoo today and took some liquid minox orally first time for both let's save this hair
>>18725199>>18725242Long term concentration between 2.5 and 10mg is roughly the same. Peak is the driving factor for growth. Low dose or extended release is ineffective and nobody can seemingly disprove this.
>>18725242Vpdhl01 is equivalent to taking 1mg every 4 hours, its not that great this is why they banned trial applicants with a use history of minoxidil. Hair would have fallen out and it would not have maintained anywhere close to somebody who previously used 2.5-5mg daily. It works the same as a below standard dose of any old minoxidil taken orally. It shows results because it is still oral minoxidil.
>>18725470Guess decades of scientific publications, research and acknowledgement on how vasodilators and anagen growth phases work aren’t right anymore because of one guy on 4chan who’s even more retarded than guys spouting broscience since those actually can formulate their reasoning. I also guess Veradermics getting almost a billion $ in funding and hype for VPDHL-01 is just a huge conspiracy by the da joos too.
>>18725614Oh my sweet boy have you ever heard of Theranos?
>>18725614There are 0 (Zero) studies which have been able to debunk the importance of peak concentration levels in relation to the effectiveness of oral min. Most data actually points to it being a major contributor, though we must infer this because it has never been explored on humans. Again there is 0 (zero) data suggesting that a short-lived trigger which would activate a greater range of signaling in follicular cells versus sustained low concentration in blood levels is how minoxidil produces optimal results, it hasn't been studied because it does not produce profit. It is completely disingenuous or simply a lack of understanding for you to proclaim that research on oral minoxidil has produced more than a base level of understanding for how the drug actually works. Furthermore discontinuing any type of minoxidil clearly shows that the biological changes persist longer than the drug’s blood concentration, so that's debunked.
The list of medications which disqualified you from taking part in the trial.
>>18725250In my experience you're more likely to run into a boomer derm that isn't up to date on alopecia and may even personally not consider it a big enough deal to prescribe. Keep in mind derms don't deal with it primarily. That's not to say all derms are like that, but the risk is higher. Hair clinics exist to deal with hair loss specifically in the first place.
>>18725291Ketoconazole is very overrated and may actually result in more visible hair "loss" because it can cause hair breakage, which will result in less overall volume even if the follicles remain the same.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60klPiG7bZ4what norwood is this and how does he cover it up so well.
>>18725949If that was the case then 20mg would have massive results for hair, and that was the type of dosage being given before 5mg became standard, and now we see even 2.5mg gives good results
>>18726009>If that was the case then 20mg would have massive results for hairDoing a great of proving you have no idea what anon is telling you.
>>18726004topical min can also cause breakage. everything that works causes some level of shedding. you should be focused on the longterm effect on follicle/scalp health with all of these treatments, and in reality ketoconazole causes virtually zero breakage. idiotic post.
>>18726008nw2 on the left and nw2.5 on the right. his hair is quite thick so he literally doesn't have to do anything but grow it out a bit.
>>18726011kys with this shitty bait>"muh peak concentration is what gives results">ok 20mg gives a much higher peak concentration and the results aren't really different>"NOOOO YOU DIDENT UNDERSTAND"also, retard, long release minoxidil is what would allow you to keep a higher concentration constantly since the issue with minoxidil side effects is the sudden peak which the heart has to adjust to, but if you got to that same concentration slowly then it would be much better
>>18726013>topical min can also cause breakage.Not really. What would the mechanism of action be, exactly? The minimal amount of the ethanol solvent? Ketoconazole shampoos are specifically formulated as an antifungal and therefore drying. You can even compare the side effectshttps://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements/ketoconazole-topical-route/description/drg-20067739https://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements/minoxidil-topical-route/description/drg-20068750>you should be focused on the longterm effect on follicle/scalp health with all of these treatmentsYou are on all these treatments for life if you want to keep the benefits, which means the side effects are for life as well.
>>18726004my hair has been historically strong and healthy outside of the baldingand I have dandruff so it's good for that too>>18726030>and therefore drying.I can definitely feel that but as long as I don't use it everyday I should be fine right?especially if I have a moisturizing shampoo or if I bought a conditioner?
ive been taking the hims fin+min pill for probably like 9 months at this point and ive seen zero regrowth in thinning areas. i cant really tell if its stopped my hairline from receding but i can tell it hasn't grown anything back there.
>>18726009It would have massive results for hair. The problem is you run into diminishing returns when you significantly exceed the therapeutic dose. Cardiovascular effects aside, there are only about 100k follicles you intend to signal growth to, those being on your head for most people. It's like pouring water into a bucket and having it overflow. Sure your scalp follicles are now getting 100% optimal coverage but that spillage is now reaching the 5 million other follicles on your body because the peak level in your blood is high enough to signal more follicles causing unwanted facial/body hair growth at much higher rates. For most people 5mg is the limit before unwanted hair growth becomes a significant problem. Again this should be blatantly obvious that peak concentration is vital.
>>18726020Consistent blood levels of minoxidil have zero correlation to regrowth. Even if we look at topical, keeping the formulation on your scalp after 4-6 hours also provides diminishing returns, this is typically a direct correlation with blood level concentration for oral use. This is reality, you are being manipulated by big pharma on numerous fronts like many people before you and many more to come.
is it true that typically how much minoxidil you can tolerate before you get side effects depends on your body weight?
>>18726203Only for oral yes. If you are below 300lbs 5mg is more than enough. 2.5mg may lose effectiveness if you are pushing over 200 at a normal-ish height.
>>18726030yes really. stupid fuck.
>>18726345How compelling.
Thoughts on caffeine, zinc, saw palmetto and other topical solutions? Or should I just blast ketoconazole every day.
>>18726451Do whatever you want after getting on fin/min.
was just thinking, its often pointed out how Ashton Kutcher's the only big male celeb who's public about dutasteride usage, but logically wouldn't most Japanese and S Korean male celebs also be on it since its first line treatment over there?
>>18726451As topical shampoos? Caffeine helps. Zinc kinda works as a cream, but that’s just for your face. Keto cream surprisingly works and doesn’t dry the hair. Also, smoke weed unironically or at least a CBD gummy for ant-inflammatory properties.
I am a NW3 and 31 year old and have been on finesteride 1mg + 2x daily 5% minoxidil since I was 21. I was a NW2 when I started and i have had slow recession in my temples but my crown and scalp are very dense. Is there any chance that switching to Dut will help me recover anything or am I stuck getting an HT?
switch to oral min and stick with it at least a year before considering a HT
>>18726601do you still have vellus hair on the hairline? if so then you can switch to 1mg dut and microneedle. if not then it's just HTlooking at that pic it looks like you're still miniaturizing
>>18726604I will switch to dutasteride then if you think it works decently? I have tolerated fin very well for a decade, no sides. Any risks of sheds or other problems with Dut switching from fin?>do you still have vellus hair on the hairline?Peach fuzz? There is some for sure, most of it feels closer to where my current hairline is. It feels like a little bit in my whole temple area.>microneedleDoes this actually work? How frequent? Any idea about costs or what I should buy to have the best success?>looking at that pic it looks like you're still miniaturizingIs that good or bad?
>>18726611you should most likely shed when switching to dut because your hair should go through the growth phases again after more dht inhibition. I can't say anything about sides, you'll just have to test it but since you had 0 sides on fin then it'll probably be the same for dut. you can also stay on fin and then add dut gradually for a few months until completely switching>It feels like a little bit in my whole temple areathen you have chances to regrow some>Any idea about costs or what I should buy to have the best success?buy a dermapen and single use needles if you want the easiest proper way. depth can be between 0.5-1.5mm, and you shouldn't be bleeding, the area just turns red. I'd start doing it every 15 days>Is that good or bad?both, it's good because the hair is still on your head, but it's bad because it's miniaturizing
>>18726601Inflammation.
>>18726601A HT wont do you any good if you keep receding. Balding that early means your follicles are especially sensitive to DHT. You need to switch to dut and oral min 2.5mg then 5mg once you tolerate the lower dose, you're probably not even responding to the topical in all honesty.
>>18726678>Inflammation?>>18726691>HT wont do you any good if you keep receding.Agreed but i started doing telehealth for finesteride in 2020 during the pandemic, my hairline has hardly changed in 6 years, not even perceptible since my first script of finesteride. I had just been assuming minoxidil + finesteride was as good as it gets and never kept up current with best methods of treatment as dutasteride was still uncommon in the USA for hair in 2016. >You need to switch to dut and oral min 2.5mg then 5mg once you tolerate the lower doseGetting on it pronto.>>18726624>you can also stay on fin and then add dut gradually for a few months until completely switching Any reason why not just switch finesteride for dutasteride?>then you have chances to regrow some I looked in a mirror closely and my whole temple is actually peach fuzz, that is good news for me I assume. I am actually optimistic dutasteride might solve 90% of my problems.>buy a dermapen and single use needles if you want the easiest proper way. depth can be between 0.5-1.5mm, and you shouldn't be bleeding, the area just turns red. I'd start doing it every 15 days I always thought the microneedling was bullshit but if it actually works I am willing to try that to see if I can avoid a HT. Thanks for the help.
>>18726742>Any reason why not just switch finesteride for dutasteride?no real reason, it's mostly about preference>microneedling was bullshitit's just to help wake up the dormant follicles, but you still need the rest of the stack for the follicles to actually grow
>>18726742>my hairline has hardly changed in 6 years, not even perceptible since my first script of finesterideSo has it changed or not? Your original post says you started at NW2, you're almost nw4.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qTZySFtYhYEThread theme
>>18720693I've got the exact same hairline as you, and it's not looking too good. The thing is, when I look back at old pictures it looks like my hair has receded about half an inch. It just looks like a lot more cause of the five-head.It all depends on if it has receded more recently. If not, then you're probably fine for now. If the crown starts going, then it's over
>>18726170consider adding dutasteride a couple times a week
If I got fuzzy peach hair of around 2mm length on my hairline, is there a chance Dutasteride can bring those back to normal hair?
>>18720693Why are you so slimy and gloopy
>>18727793Almost certainly
>>18727855God I hope so. Dutasteride brought my hair thickness almost back to my teenage years, all I need now is my hairline to regrow.
I've been looking into this seriously i have an appointment tomorrow where i would have asked to get on fin but i think i'll skip it.So much information and counter information and i can't get my hair back regardless apparently, only to stop it from falling. Also once you start you need to keep at it for the rest of your life, it's a big commitment. I'm going to keep researching but the more i read the more i think saving money and getting a hair transplant is just the better solution
>>18727944dut and oral min regrew my teenage hairline, they're not hard to get and I really don't mind spending $120 annually for life to have nice hair, way cheaper than a HT in any case.
>>18727945It's not a money problem, that price a year to keep your hair is a fair price, but feeding yourself pills for aesthetics purposes every single day from now until you die is still a big commitment >Dust and oral minThat's another one i get the impression dust is better than fin but also way stronger and for a beginner a lot of people recommend fin but why start with that if dust is simply better? I'll just keep reading shit
>>18727947>is still a big commitment5 seconds of your day bruhanyway your HT will also fall off over time if you're not on fin/dut
>>18727947dut is 2x as expensive as fin (though fin is usually $8 for 90ct while dut is $14 for 90ct), it's always prescribed off label, making it slightly harder to get depending on where you live, it's not actually specifically cleared for hair loss and never will be because it's been generic for decades and makes little money.People scared over the potential for side effects will absolutely freak out knowing the half life for dutasteride once it's in your body is measured in months and not days, so maybe it would be a bad idea to start people on it?I do hear that the molecule is larger so it doesn't enter the blood brain barrier like fin does.I also spent months reading shit before gaining the courage to do fin and later topical min orally, it only made me feel stupid for not doing it earlier.
>>18724657Visit a doctor and get your labs done, if everything's normal you have retrograde alopecia or DUPA, use fin shortly thereafter.
>>18727944Just so you know, most HT doctors require you to be on fin before they'll do a HT. You could lie about taking it, but all your non-HT hair will continue to fall out and you'll look like shit. You don't have enough donor hair to cover your scalp, if that wasn't obvious.
>>18727947i guess you're an enlightened genius who has figured everything out. Enjoy being bald though.
is it too late for me to get on fin?
>>18720640im waiting for gt20029. my penis is way too important for fin
>>18728062Looks like advanced stage diffused thinning. You could probably regain your whole hair
>>18728062You need to figure out how to resurrect someone from the dead before you worry about that
Am I the only one where the left side of my hairline is more affected by hairloss than the right one?
>>18728359no. it's asymmetrical for everyone. I believe it starts at the left temple for most.
>switched to dut from fin>instantly (like immediately after the first pill) my nipples and chest became noticeably more sensitivefucking shitass fucker i'm completely fucked
>>18728903I'm not normally one to call placebo and deny sides, but one day is obviously not enough time for such a noticeable change. Give it 2 weeks at minimum, preferably 3 so you can see if sides start winding down after the initial 2 weeks or not.
So we know that retinoids can interact and uprate the sulfotransferase enzymes in the skin/hair follicles. Do you guys this only works with topical minoxidil or oral too? I’ve got a feeling that ever since I started using Trifaroten/Aklief on my body I’ve grown more body hair (I’m on oral min)
>>18729115That happens with oral min. Depending on how long you've taken it for it may just be part of the sides. My body hair was thickening well past the 7 month mark.
>>18729115yes you will grow hari everywhere on oral min. why is why I'm not taking. I arleady have back hair which is a pain no need for it to be thicker.
>>18729115Oral gets metabolized in the liver, which is full of sulfotransferase in pretty much everyone. Topical retinoids have very low systemic absorption. Not particularly plausible.
I got it into my head that I should apply shampoo with a ~1min massage like at a hair salon for muh bloodflow (already on the trifecta) and it is nuking my oil equilibrium, I can't stop now my hair looks like shit if I haven't shampooed in the last 8 hours. Send help.
>>18721114No, he had it right. You're retarded.
>>18721128average joes are balding
If you check this thread on warosu like half the replies are gone because it's one schizo having a meltdown. Jesus, do you guys have to deal with this every thread? How is anybody still here?
>>18729873The schizo comes back every few weeks, you just have to deal with it.
Diffuse thinning means having to take a shower every morning otherwise your scalp will exposed in the back
Does anyone ACTUALLY bother to apply minoxidil twice a day? I've only been doing it once a day
>>18730396just take it orally
My hairline looks like this and I use a comb forward. Should I just give up and buzz or what? Im already on fin.
>>18731146keep frauding it if your hair is thick enough to not look see-through at the temples
>>18731146Only sucks while you're young. If you can maintain it later in life it wont be a huge deal.
3 weeks post hair transplant and like 70% of the hair fell out :(I'm back to being a balding fucking loser
>>18731146a transplant is realtively cheap post your actual hairline with temples.
>>18720640hmm...
>>18731474The clinic didn't educate you on shock loss?
I just got 1mg dut
>>18730328at least you're in the early stage, my thinning scalp's visible no matter what i do
>>18732037Nah I've been thinning since like 2023, I've lost a ton of density. Good news is I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism, not exactly good news, but at least I have hope that it'll grow back once I start treatment.
>>18732457Shh no one tell him about comorbidity
>>18728062Too soon.
>>18730328It really sucks how I have to shower every single fucking day now or my hair gets oily and clumps up exposing my thinning scalp. One benefit is that I was able to monitor the shed quite closely since I started taking fin 6 months ago, months 2-4 were the worst and since about a week ago I basically get no hairfall, maybe one strand every time I shower, used to be I'd have massive clumps of hair on my comb. It's working bros.
recent user of Adderall and since using it it’s just made my hair completely shed. severe shedding and lots of hair coming out daily.will finasteride stop this? or help at all? thank you
>>18732477I know what comorbidity is, it's just that I have no hairline recession and am losing it diffusely all over my head along with my pubic hair, it's like DUPA. I'd go to a derm but I don't want to pay for a scalp biopsy. I keep monitoring these generals hoping someone with thyroid hair loss shows up to see if they got on fin/min and what their experiences were.
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>>18732508NW2
>>18732508NW2.5ish. Your middle hairline is starting to go so get on treatment ASAP.
>>18732502If the adderal is causing your hair shed, it's likely due to stress and the finasteride won't help. Good news for your is that hair shed due to stress actually has a decent chance of growing back since it's not miniaturizing. Still, talk to a dermatologist.
>>18732508Do you have a picture of your dry hair?
How salvageable is my case? Started fin yesterday
I actually took this picture after the first one , proving I can hide it but it's definitely progressing with time and I already noticed how thin it got in the crown and the frontal area , hoping I can regain some of the thickness I had two years ago , what's your opinion anons?
>>18733171>>18733177Most people outside of the hair loss community would have no idea you were balding. The crown area usually recovers as long as you weren't completely slick bald back there. Can't really tell otherwise, hairline is obscured.
>>18732945god damn it. what will a dermatologist tell me? it’s definitely the adderall
This shit makes me so depressed. I'm only 21. I had beautiful hair, but now my temples have thined and I look like I'm in my late 30s. I wish I started dut sooner. I want my fucking hair back.
>>18733645blast oral minoxidil to get your juvenile hairline back
>>18733645post pic chud. I mean ttransplants are pretty cheap these days.
I tried dutasteride again and immediately got the same brainfog effect, dulls my inner monologue and makes it harder for me to think. I read a lot of people on fin/dut who say they got early brainfog and recovered in 2-10 weeks from it, but I simply don't want to risk it.If I don't recover from it, I will have to wait 5-6months to come back to baseline because of dut's half life, so instead I'm gonna order some finasteride and see if that gives me sides, and then even if it does I can come off it and recover far quicker. This seems better to me than going the other way around because I don't want to have to wait 6 months to come to baseline from dut so I can properly assess the sides of finasteride.It's a shame since dut is moderately more efficient but oh well
>>18733749I will never have a fringe again and it makes me want to hurt myself
>>18733721Here. I get upset every time I see myself in the mirror.
>>18733749Sides usually lessen over time
>>18733830Yeah ik it's possible, I'm just scared that if I went on it for 3 months it wouldn't clear up, then i'd be left waiting half a year to recover.I've ordered some finasteride and I'm gonna give that a go
>>18733786temples? bro you're an egghead.
>>18733844Real...
>>18733844Yeah you're right. I should have started treatment years ago. Fuck my stupid chuf life. Fuck fuck fuck.
>>18733884He's being an asshole, you're a norwood 3, it's just some thirdworlders can't distinguish a forehead from balding
>>18733786Grow it out a bit and brush towards your face from the sides it will look better if you can get away with longer-ish hair. I've only ever seen temples make a drastic comeback from a good response to oral min.
>>18734086https://www.reddit.com/r/tressless/comments/udjq9q/15_week_update_of_oral_consumption_of_topical/
>people with low sulta1 enzyme for minoxidil actually response better to oral minoxidil compared to people with high enzymatic acitivtywhat an interesting drug
>>18733916>you're a norwood 3That's still a massive thinning. I want my hair back so much.
>>18734267so get on finasteride and go get a 2500 graft hair transplant and stop being a fucking bitch about itin 7-8 months you could have the hair you wantwhy whine about it? just fucking do it retard, take action you're a man stop being an effeminate FAGGOT
Pro tip for those with curls and bangs:>stick a duckbill styling clip underneath them b4 drying. It helps encourage the roots to set upwards and also keeps the bangs from joining the rest of yr curl clumps :)
>>18734689>forgor me img, kek
Where can I buy fin cheap without risk of chinese chemicals?
>>18734695Get a Proscar prescription and split the generic tablet.
>>18723036nothe least you can do is to take 5mg of minox per day. its cheap and it has no downsides.>>18723051
I am here to tell you that balding is fine, women don't care if you're bald, men don't care if you're bald, your friends don't care if you're bald, your enemies don't care if you're bald, your mom doesn't care if you're bald, and your dog doesn't care if you're bald. Men have always gone bald because it's a normal part of a normal man's life. Worrying about going bald will only make you sad and bald faster, an you'll always look better bald and happy than miserable with a full head of hair.
>>18726601its over for youtime for turkey
>>18735049new thread
