Redpill me on the hungry-drug
>>76579987>shilling weird supplements with little standard control>again
>>76579987Gives you diabetes
It can give you diabetes. Take CJC or GHRP instead
>>76579987>>76580111>GHRPIgnore this retard. GHRP-6 has worse and more frequent side effects than MK-677.
>>76579987Is cutting really so hard?
>>76580137cutting is literally the hardest thing about fitness. Not saying mk-677 is good but your attitude is full retard
>>76580137>Is cutting really so hard?Retard or ESL? MK-677 makes you eat more, not less.
are there other grey area substances that actually bring gains and don't require pct?
>>76580231not really. Even the GH secretagoges are not useful for gains. They help more with losing visceral fat and hair skin and nails. Maybe a slight boost to growth and most of that is because they help you sleep more and a little bit from igf-1. But its NOTHING like roids. As a general rule you cannot fuck with your HPT axis without it being some kind of monkey paw deal. No you wont make gains from enclomephene.
>>76580242>GH secretagoges are not useful for gainsJust because they're not as good as steroids for muscle gain doesn't mean they're not useful
>>76580254They arent bro. Every dude on tik tok trying to sell you tessamorelin is on 250mg/week "TRT"
>>76580231there's no such thing as a free lunch
I took at night before bed. Zero hunger issues. Slept like a baby. After about 5 days days I had lots of water retention, which caused awesome pumps and gym strength, but eventually high blood pressure. Next time I take this I will be on a keto diet and trying to stay dry.
>>76580301Any difference in recovery?
>>76579987buy a blood sugar monitor and make sure your fasted BS doesn't stay over 100 for prolonged periods. The diabetes risk is real, but overblown. I've done two cycles and went from 275-315lbs on bench in a little less than 4 weeks on my last cycle. You also have to be careful of carb/sugar intake because the biggest issue related to the diabetes potential is insulin resistance. Taking MK haphazardly without any concern for diet is a surefire way to fuck up your glucose tolerance. It's suggested to take with slin pills, but also stacking it with cardarine mitigates the insulin resistance and it's only suggested to take cardarine for cutting/endurance needs as it basically completely fucks up hypertrophy and converts fast twitch muscle fibers to slow twitch and also has an associated risk of cancer based on rodent testing, but the cancer risk is often debated. Regardless, I would suggest NOT taking MK for bulking, as you have to have way more precautions regarding eating scheduling and such to ensure you don't eat too soon before or after taking it. As a cutting agent, it's fantastic for conservation of muscle mass in a severe caloric deficit and long fasts and it fucking destroys visceral fat if you're not stuffing your fat fucking face on it.
>>76580231Enclomiphene EOD. It's virtually sides free once you get the dosing right. A lot of people conflate enclomiphene and clomid, which contains enclomiphene AND zuclomiphene and there's an association with pituitary swelling when taking clomid due to the zuclomiphene. I've been on Enclo for almost a year now and I feel fucking fantastic and i lost like, 24lbs the first two months i was on enclo and tesofensine
>>76580941Thar webm is gay
>>76580995Only if you're already a fag
>>76581007
>>76580110>Gives you diabetes>>76580941>buy a blood sugar monitorLiterally cycle adjuvant antidiabetic agents like metformin chromium. berberine. banaba. etc.It ain't that freakin complicated.
>>76581048>Literally cycle adjuvant antidiabetic agents like metformin chromium. berberine. banaba. etc.>It ain't that freakin complicated.Your suggestion is actually more complicated that what i suggested. The monitor is just to keep tabs because you don't even need to cycle antidiabetics if you're dosing and dieting properly on it. The issues with diabetes are directly related to fucking idiots just eating 60mgs a day trying to bulk and eating fucking bullshit from dawn to dusk. Use it to cut, don't eat two hours prior to administration and at least one two hours post administration. Take it before bed two hours or more after eating dinner and do fasted cardio in the morning and the fat absolutely evaporates off your body. People think it's great for bulking because it makes some people ravenous. No bueno.
>>76579987I don't understand why roiders don't just take this stuff for like 4 months and then just do maintenance on that built physique and no need to fuck with your hormones long term.
>>76580301Sounds like your sodium to potassium ratio is just shit. Imagine thinking mk677 is what is giving you good pumps. Also giving your take on something that you've taken for only 5 days is hilarious. Know a retard who did the same thing like you many years ago, he started taking mk677 right after getting his order and it didn't end well for him long term.
not useful unless you're skellington mode, I have literally 0 problem being big as fuck
>>76581088this stuff is pretty shit tier unless you're a hard gainerbut I agree with the sentiment of ac262 and enclomiphene with what you just said, because they are actually anabolic with basically 0 side effects
>>76581077It is great for bulking, people just have antidiabetic pharmacology skill issues.
>take enclomiphene>shbg gets fucked with, dick doesnt work>estrogen shoots up>igf-1 is inhibited, cant gain musclebut muh test level is 1000!!!!
>>76581127>ac262 and enclomiphene>0 side effectshahahahahahahahaha
>>76579987I ordered this from paradigm peptides and a year later got a notice from the DOJ they were getting sued for just selling T labled as it. These pop-up peptide companies, thats all they do, sell diluted T to make you think you're getting the miracle shortcut you think you are, then you run out, your T plummets, and they got your ass for the next order.
>>76581208Enclomiphene is an estrogen inhibitor dipshit, you're larping.
>>76580231clomid/enclo
>>76580242>As a general rule you cannot fuck with your HPT axis without it being some kind of monkey paw deal. No you wont make gains from enclomephene.This and it's not worth it being a "natty" plus. And even TRT will fuck you up.
>>76580231Not really.
>>76580231bull semen extract
>>76581517It’s a serm which inhibits estrogen signaling in the pituitary it does not prevent estrogen from existing in your body. You will get high estrogen on it
There is no pharmacological free lunchCJC is pretty good as far as secretagogues go but GH/IGF-1 pathway stuff has the standard disclaimer of insulin resistance
>>76581822>There is no pharmacological free lunchSkill issues. Alpha lipoic acid is an easy example. I'm on many others.
>>76581512Oral T only works if it's a pretty big dose of testosterone undecanoate in oil capsules which is way too expensive.Probably they just mix in some SARMs powder which is really cheap.
>>76582063Small effect size so small side effectsFind me something with a large effect size that doesn't have bad sides
>>76580826I only lasted 5 days before the BP was too high and I had to stop. Not enough data to know. But I felt great, until I didnt.
>>76581103Youre not wrong - my comment is limited to my experience for the 5 days I was on. Of course, my sodium/potassium levels might be fucked. I always get back, arm and chest pumps, but I never get a quad pump doing leg extensions, but I did when I was taking MK677. I am limiting my review to my experience only.
>>76580144>t. lard assCutting is easy as shit and you don't actively have to do anything, it's the absence of work. Gaining on the other hand is hard and you actively have to force food down you gullet.
so...this thread seems interesting, would it make sense to try and take this mk677 now that I'm cutting?I'm like 15-20lbs away from (hopefully) 15% bfliterally anything that doesn't have great side effects would be appreciatedalso, already have very low bp in case that makes any difference
>>76583262Unless you're 30+ there's no actual need since your natural GH levels will already be high
>>76583268just hit 29, but now I'm watching a few videos about how it spikes hunger and I'm not sure how I'd react to that
>>76580991>rapes your IGF-1 levelsNo thanks
>>76583298I took it at night, before bed, to enhance natural release of GH while sleeping. Saw zero hunger issues. I am the one who had high BP and bloating issues. The next time I try will be during a very dry, hard, keto cut as I am thinking that will help me keep the water rention down. Yes, try in a cut.
>>76583313nta but qrd?>>76583298>>76583340hunger spikes are only a thing with mk677 (since it is long-acting), not with shorter-lasting secretagogues or direct injection
>>76581497I'm nearing 3 months into my cycle, name a side effect
>>76580231Retatrutide
>>76580941>it fucking destroys visceral fat
>>76581753estrogen aromatises into test you boner licker
>>76583254actively doing something is easier than just trying to white knuckle hunger impulses all day you retarded faggot. Low appetite is LITERALLY the hallmark of BETA MALES in the animal kingdom. Fucking runt
>>76581517How do you know he's LARPing? What suggests that post was made for the benefit of a live audience?
>>76579987Will kill off your beta cells and make you get diabetes earlier in lifeMade me prediabetic, have to take metformin now and lose like 30 lbs to reset my insulin sensitivity.I've had better gains on prohormones.
>>76581077>>76581048you're both fucking retarded, I took beberine, chromium, fish oil.The chronic IGF increase you get from the GH secretion is what makes your muscles insensitive to insulin, which causes the blood sugar rise. Lowering your own blood sugar will just reduce the damage you're doing, but the insulin sensitivity will still decrease, putting strain on your pancreas.
>>76583313Mk-677 + enclo fagget
>>76584328>muh animal kingdomGo rule over your kingdom then nigger. Cutting is hard for you only because you are a fat fucking slob. Lose the weight and you have yourself a much tougher problem--gaining lean mass.
>>76585096>Will kill off your beta cellssource?
