>Who is /rp/ for?For metabolic optimizers working towards bioenergetic principles. Post your temps, pulse, and symptoms when asking for guidance.Read Ray Peat's work: http://raypeat.com>Core Peat Principles:High metabolic rate = good healthOptimize thyroid function naturallyReduce stress hormones (cortisol, adrenaline, estrogen)Increase protective hormones (progesterone, pregnenolone, DHT)>Peat-approved foods: Carbs: honey, fruit, root vegetables, milk Proteins: Gelatin/collagen/bone broth, shellfish, white fish, eggs, raw dairy, organ meatsFats: Coconut oil, butter, saturated animal fats Beverages: Coffee/tea without plastic machines, raw milk, fresh juice, coconut waterDON'T:Eat PUFAs (vegetable oils, nuts, seeds, fish oil, avocado) or grains regularlyRestrict salt or saturated fatDo excessive cardio or fastingTake excess supplements without need (research isolated amino toxicity for example, opt for whole food amino acids)Ignore low temps/pulse consistently>Key supplements Peat discussed:Salicylic Acid (Willow bark, anti-inflammatory, not every day)Vitamin E (tocopherols, not mixed)Thyroid (Thymus + organ meats)B-vitamins, especially thiamineMinerals (from real food sources)Sunlight>Warning signs you need to adjust:Consistently low morning temps (<97.8°F)Resting pulse under 70 bpmCold hands/feet, hair lossDepression, brain fog, fatigueDigestive issues, bloatingPMS, irregular cycles (women)>Resources: Danny Roddy's workGeorgi Dinkov's forum discussions "Generative Energy" podcast archives Kate Deering's books on metabolismRemember: Peat emphasized individual experimentation and understanding principles over rigid rules.
>>76581201>estrogen>stress hormonetell me how i know you're retarded
>>76581201this is retarded you faggota lot of peat's writing deals with people that are fucked up and so a lot of his recomendations are baasically for recovery you can't just tell someone to take thyroid supplements you stupid fuck
>>76581816Estrogen and cortisol and stress hormones; cancer relates to an excess of estrogen…various skin conditions can be stopped in their tracks with aromatize inhibitors, due to….you guessed it, hormones being converted into estrogen. It’s the consistent link you see across disease processes and inflammation; excessive estrogen and serotonin, inhibition of dopamine and a hyper-sympathetic baseline….leading to insulin resistance and type 2 diabetes. It’s funny that the /fit/ board has zero competency when it comes to literacy beyond CICO and fraud. But please, tell me why estrogen is not a stress based hormone, especially in excess. We can dig into 80% of the general population being hypothyroid as well, especially athletes if you’d like
>>76581863this is why peat fags are insufferablewtf are u even talking about you don't even know but you pretend to know what all of these relationships mean you can't know you're just throwing a bunch of notes at the screen
>>76581863if estrogen is a stress-based hormone as you say, then where are the studies showing that estrogen levels correlate with biomarkers of stress?
the main takeaway from peat is that carbs are not badanything beyond that and you're jerking yourself off give me a break with this nonsense
>>76581883also peat was, for some reasopn, mostly concerned with women idk why he was so focused on estrogen and womeans horones keep that in mind
>>76581869ive learned that one cannot really become fit or have the energy to lift etc if theyre not at optimal levels with basic bodily function (gut, hormones, etc)this is why its important to focus on restoring the body to normal levels, not just in people that have fucked up their bodies through choice but due to the massive amount of environmental toxins in food, supplements, etcin other words, i think the influencer class is really quick to throw out "high protein, lift crazy" etc as catch all magic which can work for people who are already at optimal function.for the majority who are dealing with gut or hormone or other issues, ingesting a large amount of cheap protein and supplements will not work and will only make their body more stressed from the inside out. They will give up on their diet and exercise because they havent solved their root issue, and thats what this rolling thread should be for...theres 100 other threads for sharing your body and arguing over MK 667 and housing toxic chicken to the dome.
>>76581883well not quite, he has a lto of good stuffi forgotbutnothing that you're talking about is the good stuff form peat you're just a fucking faggot op
>>76581896honestly his greatest value is when he's not talking about diet or hormones liek his commentary on environments, william blake, and things like that he also once, in his letters, talkd about whores and sex and how dumb the obsession with sex is
>>76581886because elderly women are a vulnerable at-risk population that will listen to psychotic pseudoscience babble like >>76581863
>>76581878Excessive estrogen; I.e estrogenic aspects that throw your hormones into a negative ratio. Estrogen is natural in both men/women, but excess has a very catabolic effect, and is associated with cortisol and sympathetic dominance. Need me to find you a study saying estrogen in a heightened manner is beneficial? That it’s not tied to depression or negative neurological function? Unless you want to run with estrogen is actually great. As I said in my example, people run aromatase inhibitor, their skin can clear up with issues they were having….legitimate skin issues; eczema, etc. I would assume a large portion of this board is male, and a large portion would tend to avoid pro-estrogenic activities/additives/environmental exposure. Why would they do it…just cause? Or due to its negative physiological response?
>>76581908holy shit dude do you even read the shit you write?>>76581863>due to….you guessed it, hormones being converted into estrogen.
>warning - resting pulse below 70huh?
>>76581886He got into endocrinology as it was a slept on subject in medicine/science during his day. He thought with his ideas, and approach to contrarian notions, that he wouldn’t be able to research fully. He did not choose it specifically due to women, or because of some random aspect, but instead because he could be left alone and allowed to do research and studies. He fixated on progesterone and pregenelone and the like as their overall usage was very tied to abstract notions, like happiness, and creativity. His thought was metabolic health allowed altruism and creativity as it ultimate expression. He mentioned a rat study one time from the 1950’s that took rats and removed their adrenal glands, they died shortly after. They took another sample and removed their adrenals and gave them allpregnenalone I believe, and kept them on it, and they didn’t die. There’s power stuff there at play that medicine in general has glossed past and fixated on money making aspects associated with ineffective treatment as pharmaceuticals and the medical industry is monetary in its basis, it’s not a charity. I like Peat a lot, and his approach to philosophy, it makes me learn about things I’d never heard of or thought about, and this is a great way to expand ones understanding of life. Cortisol leads to insulin resistance, sympathetic nervous system dominance leads to insulin resistance. As a type 1 diabetic I liked learning this as I wondered why stress caused an increase in baseline blood glucose levels, and how they didn’t respond to insulin accordingly. Stress hormones….impact the body negatively. Crazy concept no one seems to get here
>>76581912Sick response dude, way to address anything. Let me try it, “holy fuck bro, did you like literally read anything????”
>>76581863Growth hormone is a stress hormone.
>>76582018>>76581863So in conclusion Ray must have been against lifting since it stresses you out right?
>>76582018What happens when there is an excess of GH; it’s not “stress” versus “non-stress,” it’s excessive function which can wreck homeostasis, which leads to all sorts of compensatory and eventually decompensatory mechanisms. Cushings, addison’s, diabetes, hypertension; all of those are either too much of a specific hormone, or not enough. Cortisol is not inherently negative, nor is estrogen, nor is anything else, there is nuance here. An out of control release of a hormone is metabolic dysfunction. Do you want Cushing’s syndrome?
>>76582055From a health and longevity perspective, Ray was against excessive sympathetic activation, as it decreases thyroid output and increases cortisol, limits digestion, leading potentially to a plethora of issues. Which is why Goggins and Rogan take thyroid hormone, because they’ve pushed themselves to excess hormonally with stress based responses. Peat would be in favor of activity that one was able to recover from, that was not catabolic in function. You can get a good lift in, stay anabolic, have a surplus of sugar and put yourself into a parasympathetic response and actually rest and recover. High temperature and high pulse, high metabolism, sunlight, sugar timed correctly to keep t3/t4 production up. Would Peat be against ultra-marathon running? Yup. Would he be against sun exposure and consistent surfing? No. Weight lifting that was nuanced and smart enough to limit any additional damage? Sure. He was more against PUFA intake than he was anything else, and was not a “diet” creator, or lifestyle coach. He just commented on things that contributed to proper metabolic function. Exercise and lifting are not the absolute beacons of health. In the same way someone can become type 2 diabetes on a carnivore or ketogenic diet…someone can become extremely unhealthy putting themselves through excessive training, as they don’t have the metabolism nor necessary fuel source to feed it. It’s the ratio that’s important; if you can stay physiologically viable in spite of excessive training, then you’re good to go. If you’re metabolically unwell, and you contribute further stress on the system, you’ll develop metabolic dysfunction. Nuance is the key thing there
>>76581816Tell me how I know you're a tranny.
>>76582088>It’s the ratio that’s important; if you can stay physiologically viable in spite of excessive training, then you’re good to go.I notice now that i have too much work coming up and it's physical labor (filming) I find myself to not want to lift as much as i did in August because i feel my body stressed. But then again I don't know if i should just push it or listen to my body.
>>76581201What's with the no low hr and no cardio?
