Is a dedicated shoulder day a good idea
>>76595092I think it makes more sense to combine it with chest since there is a bit of overlap with the exercises
>>76595092No, but you can incorporate shoulder exercises on both push and pull days, since there are both
>>76595092If you have reluctant shoulders I would suggest doing either a shoulder day or make your pull day primarly shoulder focused.I have strong chest and traps so if I just do gay isolation after doing chest it won't grow.
>>76595092you can't train them as hard as other muscles so you have to do volume because they recover fast. hit them with 3 sets every day
you better have a dedicated roiding day for your shoulders
3 sets 3x times a week. It's all you need.
>>76595092no its retardedthe delts are a very small muscle group
>>76595092The issue is that it's a small muscle group and fatigues too quickly if you actually train hard. You can't really absolutely batter your delts with set after set exercise after exercise the same way you can with legs or whateverFocus on getting a big overhead press number. It's impossible to have shitty delts when you're repping out 1.5pl8, while most of the guys complaining about shoulders not growing can't even lift 1pl8 for a 1rm. Aside from OHP all you need is lateral raises and reverse pec deck. And it makes sense to do all that shit in the same session as another muscle group, you'll for sure have time for it. All that won't take you long
>>76595104You should try an ABA program with A being chest first and B being fresh delts then chest hypertrophy.
>>76595262Bulldick, they can handle more.
>>76595343What the fuck are you doing non overhead shoulder centric exercises?
>>76595113I had to strengthen my serratus/abs/upper chest or i lose brace and get impingement with anything below 10rm.
>>76595316>>76595333The deltoids are literally the biggest upper body muscles in surface area...
>>76595353My front delts are i dont even know what theyd look like if 2x as strong its like a fuckin chicken tenderloin.
>>76595347Yeshttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4J42MqUk3wg
>>76595353lol wut they get mogged by traps and lats. and unlike those two they need three separate exercises to grow symmetrically
>>76595092Nah, but hitting them often works great.
>>76595092Are you a beginner? If yes, then you don't need it. If you're actually strong and have good technique/form, then you can benefit a lot from it.
>>76595092So like what 2x8 ohp 2x12 lat raise and go home?
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>>76595104That's what I do desu.But I also do lat raises as a warmup regardless of what I'm doing that day.
>>76595113>pull day>shouldersthis board is full of retards who don't even lift
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>>76595685I meant to say push day. Something so blatantly retarded is clearly a typo, don't get on your high horse.
>>76595697sure thing Mudasir
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>>76595685Idk how anyone even keeps doing lats consistently after a year or 2, my lats are huge flexed from grease the groove pullups and 5 sets of cables/bb. I just wish i didnt listen to fucking bb.com about bench form and low reps at least until form is good then taper down and to fail reps often over pushing past target muscle failure.>1rms are good for overall strength and growthPresses at full intensity are basically guaranteed to give beginners injuries. Once you know how to brace and press hard without impingement or putting all the weight on the tendons while stretched over muscle/bone then you can get sick ass 1rm gains.
>>76595705post body
epic thread>no bro you don't need to train your delts like any other muscle just half ass the muscle at the end of a different workout>no bro only roiders can have big deltsmaybe if you trained your delts you could have big delts naturally...
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>>76595262>you can't train them as hard as other muscles so you have to do volume because they recover fast. hit them with 3 sets every dayI do shoulders 4 days a week usually. all compounds so triceps too.
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>>76595763Ah, ok. You are just a retard.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OSz2J90gFwQ&pp=small2incher
>>76595092Yes. You should have a dedicated day for squats, bench press, overhead press, and deadlift. Do overhead press and various raises on shoulder day.>>76595104Not really. Bench press and shoulder press are too taxing to do on the same day.>>76595316>>76595333Wrong. If you can press 300lbs over your head using your shoulders they are not small insignificant muscles.
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>>76595092Virtually every upper body compound movement will hit delts in some way.> Pull ups (but especially chin ups/neutral grip)Rear delts> RowsRear delts> Upright RowsFront and Side Delts> Overhead PressFront and Side Delts> Bench PressFront Delts> DipsFront DeltsPlus, Face Pulls, while not a traditional 'classic' big mover compound lift, are still a really effective compound lift that hits the lateral and rear delts well.So no, not really, if your training is well-allocated.
>>76595428The Arnold Press takes care of all three. I think there are a couple of others too.
>>76596385Arnold press is a meme designed to injure potential competitors
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>>76596385god you people are fucking retarded LMAO
>>76595092if you are a natty you'd have to be relatively low bf and wear tank top to let ppl know that you even train shoulders.
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>>76595092LATERAL RAISES EVERYDAY
There's no way you can train your shoulders properly training them with chest. PPL is garbage.I'm an advanced lifter, so I have lower frequency, and I recommend once you finish your novice routine, to lower the frequency.Chest & TricepsBack & BicepsRestShouldersLegsRestRepeat
>>76595092I have nice shoulders and never did ohp due to an old injury always hurting. Just upright rows and band pull aparts along with whatever work my anterior delts get from horizontal pressing. Long story short, hit them on arms and shoulders day.
>>76596668>There's no way you can train your shoulders properly training them with chest.i do.>PPL is garbage.kaz did ppl, so do i.>I'm an advanced lifter, so I have lower frequencynon sequitur, you can train a muscle every day if volume and intensity are low enough.you have a learning disability.
>>76595092If you're lifting for aesthetics or even strength you should always start any push/upper body days with shoulder movements rather than Chest. Your shoulders are arguably the most important muscle group, followed by your back and arms for aesthetics. If you have small arms or small shoulders, or small lats/upper back you will look weird and small. If you have a small chest you'll still look jacked as fuck. Just look at any bronze era lifters (picrel), they all had small chests and yet they still had aesthetic physiques because the muscles that actually matter (shoulders, back, arms, forearms, abs) were all developed.I'm not saying you shouldn't train chest, but the typical approach to training over emphasizes pecs. I see way too many lifters do 3-4 movements for chest in a single push or upper body workout when that volume can be used for shoulders, arms or back instead.
>>76595092>dedicated shoulder dayYou can train shoulders every single day, dyel
>>76595092What the fuck is this guy doing for delts
>>76597072Roiding
>>76595092Work lats if you want a wider back, working shoulders is for shape of your delts
>>76595092What’s this guys stack? If you naturally have wide shoulder genetics can you get something similar with 500mg or you think this guy is doing a lot more shit?
>>76598853If you spent 2yrs putting on as much muscle as possible with elite training you wpuldnt want to use steroids. Since using a ton means you gain and lose strength with your test levels so much so that you either plateau at a seemingly mediocre level of strength or use so much you have the blood pressure of someone who eats a pack of hot dogs and bacon a day while smoking crack and drinking a pot of coffee every few hours in the sauna on a treadmill.
>>76598853500mg is what you use to more slowly lose muscle once past 4pl8s bench. If youre already roiding then tapering 50-100mg a week then going on slight bulk while super low fat to limit gyno is the move. So keep calories just above naintenance after lifting so none of it is fat and dont get into cns fatigue or eat a ton of fat while insulin is high. Likely you will be in a better spot but getting endocrine system to high production does take a while from natty with little muscle. Ehatever damage you did is either productive or flat out dampened your health progress(liver, hormones) until it resets and improves from consistent bulkingwithout adding too much fat whichbis needless estrogen production once over the tipping point, disregarding the benefits to consistent bulking.
I saw the biggest gains of my lifetime natty career in early 2023 when i was doing the following split:>Chest & Legs>Back>Shoulders & ArmsI don't know what the fuck was it but i got massive on that split, i now full body and it's nowhere near the intensity of that split i was doing back then, i will try to ease back into it soon
>>76595104Naw. You'll exhaust yourself with chest work, have overdeveloped anterior delts, and have subpar shoulder lifts. Pair shoulders with legs.
>>76595092YES, that's why BroSplit is kingty for reading my blogpost, pls do not try to convince me about PPL or Upper/Lower splits they are reddit and inferior, if you wish to talk about that crap go the comment section of Jeff Nipples videos
>>76599218I got my bench texhnique to where i put basically 0 muscle on my delts but grew chest. Have you ever tried:>bench back etc>delts rear delts chest/upper chest>rest or repeat, reverse if ohp is laggingIf you are doing arched and not going all the way to chest and press like its a db fly its easy to grow overall chest but difficult to get upper/inner without doing super strict tucked elbows reverse grip or trying to push with knuckles.
When I did shoulder days I got minimal gains. When I started working in shoulders every workout between sets my delts exploded and are rock hard. So my advice is just mix it up with whatever you’re working.
>>76595092A dedicated day for pinning in your shoulder is much better. Why tf would you training only shoulders (assuming your not a roid head who resorts to volume training to grow)?
>>76599891>train bench and joints are toast>train incline and get a sharp pain injury>train dips/overhead and tendons hurt slightly worse than bench>db/cable raises can yield good hypertrophy but not strength as presses>shoulder machines do not fit me im insanely tall>pressing with shoulders on machine presses is nice but the angles still suck i almost have to slide in rotated now>db shoulder press is slightly less worse than bb but less size gains and still easy to strainI guess im just gonna eat a chickens worth of stock a day and a grocery basket of vegetables every few days because this shit is the worst.
there is no such thing as overtraining your shoulders as a natty. the same cannot be said for chest, arms, legs, etc.
>>76599901Sounds like you started going to the gym a week ago. Whats your max ohp?
>>76599935Probably 185 but i never go above 80%
>>76599935But if you looked at me youd think im way stronger than i lift>165x6 several months ago, shoulders are a lot bigger now.
>>76599935And before you say im a pussy my shoulders are newrly as big as my head flexed now
>>76595092I've just started splitting my shoulders up across Chest, Back and Leg day. Chest - Front DeltsBack - Rear DeltsLegs - Side delts Been working well
>>76596656dont forget rear delts
>>76599947Sounds like you're lying. Whats the heaviest you've ever OHP with strict form, head looking in front and keeping your core as tight as possible? It doesn't have to be a 1RM just tell me the heaviest you ever went regardless of reps.
>>76599901Whats your split, frequncy and volume, how many total sets do you do specifically for your shoulders, whether its isolation or compound movements. Make sure to tell me all your exercises.
>>76601622Even lifting 2x/wk bench 1x shoulders i wake up with shoulder pain. I can adjust form so i can still lift through it but actuallygoing 100% is a 5050 with actually doing damage. >narrow grip >neutral esque grip for neutral muscle tendon seating under load>super arched bench and head through shoulders>btb doesnt really fuck me up>even cable pec flies and machines fuck me upI think i have lermanently fucked shoulders since i can rehab it in less than a week from sharp pain to lift heavy enough for gains. Ive taken a month off benching 80lbs and ohping 50lbs. I think it has to be a severe weakness in tendons as my chest is way more advanced than shoulders.
>>76601615Uh 165x6 a few months ago and now i might do 145 but i simply dont press hard, i btb more than ohp.
>>76601647What tf is "even lifting"? I didn't ask you what you woke up with. Tell me what I asked you. Do you do a bro split, 5 times a week? An upper lower 4x a week? Do you even know how splits work?? Answer the questions I asked you exactly or don't ask for help.
>>76601647You clearly don't know how to training and you're overusing your shoulders because of either your shit form which eventually creates weak links, too much volume for the shoulders or not resting enough or all 3. The fact that you don't know the name of your training split shows that you know very little about working out.
