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Injecting glutathione vs just taking the precursor NAC orally? Your thoughts gentlemen?

There is some evidence that glutathione can counter act the aging effects of heavy gear usage on the skin. And by increasing liver function it will help your body clear out excess aromatized estrogen and a bunch of shit. Seems to one of the best supplements a roider can take. But the pill form is a whole lot more convenient than pinning what is essentially a vitamin every day.

What are some hair safe cycles?
Is it only test + fin?

>>76608784
There’s been a study on oral glutathione supplementation that showed at just 300mg/day (what’s usually in supplements) was enough to significantly reduce liver enzymes in alcoholics or NASH patients (forgot which one).
TUDCA is a pain in the ass to take if you have any form of a social life that involves drinking as you can’t use it up to THREE DAYS b4 having a few.

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So, I did a boldenone (EQ) + test + tbol cycle. Then an 8 week PCT. My last dose of tamoxifen (nolva) was around 2 weeks ago
Received the blood test results today
Total test is 36.03 nmol/L (1038,3 ng/dL)

The question is, WHY THE FUCK DO I STILL LOSE STRENGTH? I expected to lose some during my PCT, and I had to deload once. And I expected to gain nothing during the PCT. And I gained nothing. But at least I wasn't losing much, either. But now, once the PCT ended, my reps continue to lower, I'm almost at a deload cutoff at some of my lifts again. What the fuck. My test is fucking high, I recovered completely, it's even fucking higher than it was before the cycle (or is it still tamoxifen lingering in my blood two weeks later?)
I fucking have no idea what's going on
Not that it's something drastic, but first of all, I don't want to lose fucking reps now. And second, I want to start gaining again, Wtf. Instead, I'm only losing

I'll keep you updated

>>76608812
Deca and take estrogen pills as your base.

God roidtrannys are so fucking pathetic hahaha

>>76608784
After talking with grok about this it seems that NAC raises glutathione in a dose dependent manner all the way up to like 7 grams per day. Seems that there is no reason to fuck around with anything else as it NAC is safe and effective and cheap. I do recall someone saying that NAC should be cycled on here at some point but I cant remeber why anyone would think that. I would go so far as to say it is the best over the counter supplement I have ever taken besides creatine.

>>76608850
Wow it's almost like PCT is retarded

inject literal feces into your bloodstream

>>76608944
Nattytrannys are worse

>>76608784
I suggest try lifting

I have normal (mid to low-mid) test. If I go to a TRT clinic or online will they put me on something or just take my money and run? Also will they prescribe me PCT when I get off?

I want to be on TRT + occasionally do SARMs cycles or some shit for 2-3 years.

steroids are for manlet faggots

>>76610516
If you don’t wanna be on it life long set up the coinbase account. Learn how to use the crypto. Buy the roids. It will take you a couple days.

TRT is a reasonable way to go if you know you’re gonna be on it forever but otherwise nah. They aren’t gonna give you PCT they want you to keep paying them forever lol

>>76610526
hulk hogan was like 6'7"

halfthor is 6'8"

brian shaw

etc
etc
etc
gg

>>76608812
Ketaconazole shampoo helps, as does minoxidil. You'll likely want dutasteride if you're already balding instead of fin.

>>76608968
After awhile you're going to get headaches from NAC, that's why they said you should cycle it

>>76611124
>dutasteride

gyno in a bottle

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If tren makes straight dudes gay

what happens if a gay dude like me takes it?
do i start fucking girls?

>>76612176
You'll start liking chubs and bears

>>76612176
in general no because fucking girls is too hard and it’s way easier to fuck guys. But if you were in a situation with no gay guys around then yeah you would probably fuck a girl

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I love
shootin' up roids
shootin' up roids
shoootin' up rooiiidss!

>>76608850
Wow it's almost like androgenic steroids like bold and tbol supply more strength than test on its own. It's almost as if sprinters and fighters stick to dhts for the performance gains while minimizing unwanted hypertrophy.

>>76610526
we have a few primocel manlets running around my gym but all the serious roiders, including me. are over 6 ft.

>>76612176
It makes you fuck whatever is avaliable, really just increases drive until it starts to override higher brain function
Great stuff tho

>>76610526
I'm 6'4 and pretty jacked + shredded

Cope

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>package came in the mail for me today

im on 500 test e 100 tren a per week currently (testing the waters with tren) and sometimes my nips get a bit spicy especially after pinning, am i in gyno territory or should i just ignore it?

>>76613032
I have only ever felt my nipples be itchy. Is that the same thing as spicy? Because if your nipples are burning I think I would be even more concerned by that than itching.

I would go into evasive maneuvers

>>76613051
yeah pretty much. sometimes they get a little itchy but nothing too dramatic to be honest, I've had it aswell on my first ever cycle but never developed any gyno whatsoever, but I might be coping since I really wanna avoid taking caber.

>>76608850
>total test
>free test

why am I making more gains on 300 test 150 mast 150 npp than 500 test 300 primo which I ran last fall/winter?

>>76613435
because masteron is so fucking good. Also they did a study that showed 600 test gains roughly twice as much muscle as 125 test. So if you imagine where 300 and 500 are on that curve, 500 actually should net you what like only 15 or 20 percent more gains? An amount easily eclipsed by nutrition, training, sleep etc.

>>76613439
actually it was twice as much "fat free mass" so probably not even twice as much muscle because water weight really increases on high test

>>76613439
Not sure if I should leave it like this or slowly increase the dose.
I want to see how much npp I can handle with only p5p for prolactin control no caber.
Also want to see how my hair reacts to Mast since I never ran it before.
Maybe I'll end up with 250-300 mast/npp and 500 test

>>76613484
If I am making gains and not having sides I would not want to change a thing but its up to you on that.

how fucking lean do I need to be to take just a normal trt dose 150 mg a week and not expect to grow tits from it. I am still pretty overweight but I want to actually make gains while I am losing weight and I feel like a trt dose would make that possible.

>>76613512
Fair advice. I guess just fighting the tendency to want more and more and more.

Mast makes me incredibly tired all the time, even with high test. anything I can do to counter that?

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>>76613525
Don't start yet when fat desu. Just use semigultide+HGH until you are lean enough for your first blast. Once you finish your first blast then go to trt.

>>76613528
more doesn't always mean more. dial in diet & training, and make the most of what you're on. once you stop gaining there, then add more mg

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stretch marks from lifting are starting to fade after recently starting peptides

>>76613672
Whats the stack? interested in this, also have a few stretch marks that I'd like to get rid of.

>>76613525
just use an AI and pin 500 retard

>>76613439
its the NPP not the masteron

>>76612745
>EQ and Tbol
>DHT
lol retard

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1.5-inch 27 gauge needles appear to be too flimsy. I recently switched to this needle gauge when I decided to cut down on how much I was taking. 1-inch 27-inch needles are perfectly fine when injecting into the deltoids, and I haven't noticed any bending, but when I tried a 1.5-inch 27 gauge needle for the first time today in my quad, I could visibly see the needle bend during the quick insertion. It bothered me a bit. I've got OCD, so I might switch to 1-inch 27 gauge needles after injecting into my other quad with a 1.5-inch 27 gauge needle, but this actually made me fear that these needles are too flimsy. I wouldn't want that needle to break and have part of it stuck inside me.

Also, for future use, if I ever decide to start injecting more than 1cc each time again, I'm likely going to be using 1.5-inch 25 gauge needles even for my deltoids, as the chance of leakage is much less with the longer needle length, and my deltoids are already pretty large.

>>76613672
Stretch marks fade on their own, but it can take multiple years.

>>76613525
trt dose during a cut isn't for making gains
It's for preserving muscle while being at a bigger deficit

>>76613525
>>76614752
You're not going to get gyno from 150mg. You could up it up to 200mg. I doubt you'd get gyno from that even if you were 35% bodyfat.

>>76614754
Boomers on trt have to take AI pretty often
It's a real thing unfortunately
While being fat is one part, its also highly genetic

>>76614775
Some women actually develop a bit of facial hair when they're older. Some men develop a bit of gyno when they're older, even when they don't take trt. It's a natural thing. I'm on gear, but I've had gyno since I was 13. The roids haven't made it any worse, but I'm still careful with AI, since I wouldn't want to get a pair of jugs, but I don't sweat over it.

>>76609524
Not as retarded as cardiovascular hypertrophy, permanent shutdown and cutting years off your natural lifespan.

Sorry this is the only thing going for you in your life.

>>76614791
dyef

>>76608765
Anyone on TRT here? 30 and just haven't felt even decent in years, always tired even after sleeping 8+ hrs, brain fog, low focus, low libido, ED even with cialis, don't even want sex. Killed my relationship and my blood test was like 280 test. Faggot doctors told me this is normal. Went to a clinic today for more blood work, I'm tired of being subpar. Not sure if it's actually T or hypergonadism or something else. I just want to get right and keep my fucking nuts functional.

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>>76614775
my mom and sister have big boobs so I think I am probably highly susceptible. I got some raloxifene but for some reason everyone is telling me that it sucks and to just take a normal AI. Even though raloxifene looks like the perfect thing for me because it protects and even reverses gyno by selectively targeting breast tissue estrogen receptors without the possibility of systemically crashing estrogen levels.

>>76613297
Huh?

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>>76612995

>>76615266
>my mom and sister have big boobs
It is my belief that the aforementioned statement is not accurate
It is imperative to furnish photographic evidence to substantiate such claims

>>76615296
there's a difference between total test and free test, free test is what matters mostly
for instance I had 1200ng/dl total test on trt but I had to take harsh medication for a lung condition that shot up my liver and skyrocketed my SHBG which made my free test 8pg/ml (which is below the lower end of natty ref range) and made me feel like shit either way
so despite having high total test, the "available" test was in the gutter and I was weak

>>76615158
Im about to start my self diagnosed and self managed TRT. I might bother getting a doctor to sign off on it some day for the convenience of being able to travel with test and shit safely.

From what I have gathered you just need to test your blood pressure daily and have an AI on hand a plan to use the AI if you get estrogenic sides. My plan is to start at 150, increase it by 10 a month until I get some kind of side effect or I reach 300 mg/week which is clearly a massive trt dose and then just drop down a little and chill.

I have some blood pressure medications on hand too because my blood pressure was not great even as a natty.

>>76615362
my bp is fantastic, lower avg almost always. I'm just tired of not really living. Maybe I could dial in eating and sleeping and working out but it always seems I just spin my wheels and don't grow. I used to be even smaller which blows my mind, but the low libido now + slightly overweight and general apsthy for everything just makes me think it's hormonal. T clinic did inform me that even with everything at optimal levels, lifetime stress can just rape natural production to the point of not really being normal again after.

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>>76614791
>Sorry this is the only thing going for you in your life

Cope buddy, I have $500k in cars in my garage

>>76614456
ah you got nothing to worry about. i've used tons of those things, and you really gotta fuck with em to bend em. even 31g slin pins are fine if you bend them a shit ton. granted i was wary the needle would break off at the base of the syrine, but still worked!

>>76615158
>>76615362
>>76615392
samesies. hop on meso forum, go to steroid underground, find a ugl with a decent rep, order some test c and aromasin (or arimidex). grab something for bp/cholesterol if you want to be safe. always good to have it and not need it. 150mg a week is plenty. 200 if you wanna get crazy. some people are fine with 75. don't expect immediate results. changes take time. sleep maybe two months. boner issues will likely take six months to resolve. after that, smooth sailing! good luck

>>76615676
nice I just did my first injection. 11 IU of 200mg/ml test C. Which is 22mg. Injected subQ with a 30 gague half inch insulin needle.

There was a little air bubble in it that I could not get out. I ordered some 27g needles so hopefully those come in tomorrow and I can fix that. I have some bigger needles and I will probably just pin my shoulder until I get the 27g needles for subq.

Already feeling the placebo only 30 minutes later lol

>>76615735
if it bothers you, flick the tip of the syringe just under the needle to try and get those bubbles centered under the needle then you can push it out. realistically though that tiny bubble is 100% not a problem. even with intravenous injections, you have to introduce a considerable amount of air to cause a problem. think of those bubblers you put into a fish tank hooked right up to a vein, then dial it back a bit. that little dot of air going into muscle aint doin a damn thing

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>>76615266
How big are their areola

best way to get tesamorelin?

I found some telehealth shit where I can get sermorelin pretty cheap but everyone wants a lot of money for tesamorelin.

Inb4 we dont talk about sources. I am talking about getting the shit legally through telehealth services or technically legal grey market "research" purposes. Nothing illegal, these are not controlled substances in the same way as roids.

>>76616161
on the bright side it seems that tesamorelin is probably over rated. It just gets dosed way higher than sermorelin for whatever reason. If you take 1mg of sermorelin a day I bet it is very similar to 1mg of tesamorelin. If not completely identical.

What I am reading indicates that in fact, both compounds will be limited simply by how much GH the petuitary has to blow. So there is effectively no difference in them. Also the studies that say >tesa burns visceral fat imply that sermorelin does exactly the same thing unless there is a secondary unknown mechanism of action.

stick with the cheap shit

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>>76608765
Im natty for 2yrs
And i about to use
IGF-1
Whats the most common cycle?
Can i use it with insulin syringe?

>>76608765
Anons. If I cold turkey off trt dosages after stopping a long ass cruise/blast of 500ish test for about a year, and abusing tren on and off since the coof, after finally stopping last year in August/september. How likely is it that I’m shut down permanently? I’ve been cold turkey 2 months and I don’t really feel too bad, if anything I feel less anxiety than I did on gear, but I’m definitely getting fatter, and my libido is basically hit or miss. But I don’t feel like death how leddit makes it sound like you’ll be. I never needed trt, my test levels at 30 were 800ish prior to hopping on, and basically I’m just sick of the face bloat and hair being thin as fuck, hate being anxious all the time, and stopped. Is there hope if I don’t feel like death? Wanted to give it another month before I do some bloods.

>>76616449
>igf-1

Disregard the shit you learned on tik tok. You are risking diabeetus and cancer for marginal gains. If you only knew how much safer and better 300-500 mg of testosterone is you would never touch that shit.

if I blast and dirty bulk will I die

>>76616462
I highly doubt you are shut down forever. It has been like 5 years so going back to 800 is unlikely but you could easily go back to a normal test level. Might want to use some HCG to kick start though

>>76616472
It would be very painful

>>76616472
No and it's kinda fun until you start getting way too fat despite putting on a fuck load of muscle at the same time

>>76616481
Thanks anon. I’ll get some. Should I go Lower dose with it? I was gonna run the usual but some people say a lot of people over do it. Only thing I’m noticing as I lose mass and get fatter that I still have to take asin because I’m aromatizing a lot more than I did with more muscle than fat.

>>76616449
>IGF-1
You don't know what you're doing

Would 500 test 250 primo be enough for 0.75 lb of muscle a week for somebody already advanced (198 lb 11% bf) and bulking/training hard?

Or am I too advanced for noob blasts like that?

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How many years does he have left?

>>76616678
Grim

>>76613748
HGH and KLOW

>>76614679
i've been lifting for 14 years, have had the stretch marks since my first 2 years of lifting. they have pretty much looked the same for the past 12 years until recently.

>>76615445
>$500k in the garage
>Still posting on 4chin

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>>76612995
My man love that feel

>>76608765
Been on TRT for a while. Coming off for various reasons. Gonna use hCG then Clomid. What am I in for?

And yeah I know "if you were low test before you'll be low test when you come off even if your natural production recovers". I'm just wondering how much it's going to suck and if hCG and Clomid will be of significant help or not.

>>76616884
PCT is almost required if you don't want to absolutely suffer while you come off
Do you plan to come off forever, or for how long?

>>76616895
Forever. I'll do everything to increase my natural test and accept low T if that's just how it is.

>>76616912
hCG+enclo for 2 weeks then take an AI after for a week or two if you feel high E symptoms, then let your body rest up until 12 weeks, and get a test

>>76616959
I thought PCT would be run for much longer than that. Especially the hCG since I'm tryna become fertile AF. hCG protocols on TRT are like 500 3x weekly until conception, which can take long as fuck for some people. Why would I only run it for 2 weeks and call it a day?

Also I heard hCG must be done first, then Clomid. hCG restarts natural production but suppresses LH, which would counter the effects of Clomid since Clomid mimics low E signals to the brain to make it produce more LH. I heard you run hCG to reverse testical atrophy ASAP, then use Clomid once they're in working order to keep it going naturally.

>>76616959
mind you i've been on TRT and shut down for several years.

>>76616984
>I thought PCT would be run for much longer than that.
You can but imo it's only necessary if you haven't recovered on your own
>Also I heard hCG must be done first, then Clomid.
Not necessary, clomid can still exert its anti-estrogenic effects on the GnRH neurons while hCG stimulates T production, you can also take it without hCG of course
>>76616987
Give it a try anon, you'll be surprised
Of course if it doesn't work you can always blast a stronger protocol, but if you're <40 I don't think you have anything to worry about

>>76616778
Isn't life awesome? I can still keep this faggy site open on one of my chrome tabs and talk about pinnin test with the rest of the speds without going to leddit. It's pretty great.

>>76615266
you should be more worried about prolactin than whether a serm or an ai is better on cycle (btw it's ai)

>>76616959
>2 weeks
are you retarded

>>76616984
why do people harp about taking enclo or clomid when nolvadex is largely more tolerable and has the exact same effect at the hypothalamus

>>76617367
Elaborate
>>76617378
Enclo is the best overall with the least sides, though tamox is better than clomid due to the zuclomiphene side effects

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>>76617444
exogenous test isn't an on/off switch, 2 weeks isn't even enough time for the test to clear his system, so he will continue to be suppressed

>>76617510
Okay I may be a bit retarded desu, when I said 2 weeks I meant after all of the T cleared out

>>76617510
i think its kinda assumed at when he says to start the protocol hes referring to after all the t clears the system which is about 2 weeks using a medium length ester like cyp or enan. people here arent THAT retarded

>>76617444
you're right about enclo but i dont have a source for that. also i've never heard of taximofen being used for PCT like that, especially for TRT users. I always thought it was an on cycle SERM like ralox for gyno and high E2 based sides. correct me if im wrong.

>>76617569
>I always thought it was an on cycle SERM like ralox
you are wrong lol

>>76617569
>i dont have a source for that
it's on r/steroids wiki
>>76617569
>also i've never heard of taximofen being used for PCT like that, especially for TRT users. I always thought it was an on cycle SERM like ralox for gyno and high E2 based sides. correct me if im wrong.
raloxifene is far more effective at preventing/reversing gyno compared to tamox but it sucks as a systemic antiestrogen (tamox is mildly better)

Can someone help me with site enhancement? I am a natty lifter and happy with my physique and just wanted to bring up some body parts and hopefully maintain them after coming off.

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>>76613976
>>76614011
>>76616512
>>76617367
>>76617584
Did gear turn you guys into snarky little bitch gatekeepers or were you like this all along?

If you have nothing constructive or helpful to say then keep your fucking mouths shut and continue your inane bullshit discussions about how great it is to inject hormones and how horny you are.

Are deca and npp the same in terms of side effects experienced at the same dosage per week?
>400mg npp vs 400mg deca per week split over MWF
I see people recommend npp as it's got a shorter half life so it's easier to adjust

>>76616472
Most bodybuilders literally do the same
>will I die
Eventually, yes
All people die unfortunately

>>76617510
fuck yes what a useful website

>>76618140
There's nothing to gatekeep, nobody's stopping you from reading about what IGF-1 actually does and why it won't achieve what you want

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>>76617679
Neither of those have any effect on systemic estrogen whatsoever outside of maybe increasing it do to their effects of raising test slightly which could lead to higher conversion, all they do it compete at the tissue receptor level with estrogen

>>76619890
what do you think antiestrogen means

>>76619890
maybe try lifting

currently on 200mg of test as TRT. Yes that's a strong TRT, I am aware.

Coming back to the gym after a year off lifting, when I get back in decent shape i'll do a 500mg test cycle, should I add anything else? any Orals? some classic Dianabol, Anavar, Anadrol etc? Or just stick to a plan first cycle?

>>76621290
Nooooo you can't cycle it's retarded why don't you want to double your heart size

>>76621290
why are you on 200 mg if you aren't even lifting lol

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>>76621290
+50mg epistane for eight weeks.

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>>76621352
Use of semigultide has been proven to reverse that particular potential side effect fyi

>>76621290
first blast the general wisdom is test only to see how your body responds to supraphysiological levels of tt. adding things makes you play the what's making me feel like shit today game, which is annoying

>>76618232
Yeah I would recommend NPP, especially for your first time using nandrolone. If you don’t like it you can easily lower or drop it. Some people claim they get less bloat on NPP because the half life is shorter and they inject it more frequently.

I don’t like deca because it takes like 6-8 weeks to really start working because of the super long half life, fuck that I’m dying by the minute I’m not waiting that long, see >>76618797

Doing test and low tren for 9 months mogs all the 10 week meme cycles you guys do

I only got 26G 5/8'', can I inject my thigh or is it too short?

How long does it take for test to start working? Started pinning 5 weeks ago and I still feel like it's not working for me

>>76621993
Test does nothing. I hope you weren't expecting a recomp or strength gains. If so you got memed

It makes you gain weight in muscle. Thats why pro atheletes use it

>>76621993
How much you taking?

>>76621953
Most people can’t handle just running even low dose tren for 9 month lol insomnia would destroy me

>>76622070
On TRT dosage 125mg of test E per week

They call it “HGH Gut” but it’s really the insulin abuse that’s doing it.

>>76622070
>>76622091
Just to add I had low test, it's not one of those scenarios where I had normal levels

>>76622091
Yeah 125 mg puts healthy young men at like 570 test level which is also about average test level for healthy young men. According to this study I am looking at.

Because this test level is not going to ebb and flow as much as the natural one from your balls this does still produce more muscle mass than the same test level natty actually. But you’re probably not going to feel anything because you have a normal test level.

When you see people say that 125 gives them a monster test level they are probably testing the day after a weekly injection. And some people are genetic outliers. Your test level is probably dead average.

>>76622094
Typically if this happens you probably have an underlying issue that gave you the low test in the first place and is preventing you from really feeling good. Are you fat or anything obvious? You will need to address that regardless of test level to really feel great imo

>>76622111
Got it
>>76622121
I'm a slightly chubby, but not obese, think about 20% bf
Everything else was in order, had multiple doc visits and blood tests, only my T came back low every time
My doc said that me being a few pounds overweight would not interfere with the results to a such margin

>>76622144
It’s something bro. If blood test didn’t show anything I would probably look into sleep problems. Test thyroid if you didn’t already. Mark things off the list at least

>>76622183
Got it, thanks for the help anons

>>76621509
Source?