Does it work for you? It just made my heart rate skyrocket.

who gives a shit about 50 years from now. Take what you want to get ahead in life.

>>76620124
Try ephedrine. It's not the same but it also doesn't really make you want to keep taking it all night.

I've worked with guys in their 20s and 30s that would suck a cock for Adderall if they couldn't fill their script.

>>76620124
They prescribed me that shit in high school and I think I took it maybe a dozen times. Sold the rest of the bottle every time. It makes you not eat and gets rid of your entire personality. If you're cool with that go for it

>>76620124
ADHD is completely made up
sit the fuck down, eliminate distractions, use exercise and balance diets to stabilize your energy, stop multitasking

>>76620169
Whoa, I've never tried any of that. Jesus Christ you're a fucking genius.

Shut the fuck up you idiot

>>76620169
whoa, people go to school and residency for a total of 12 years to become psychiatrists and diagnose adhd, but Anon listened to Alex Jones once or something, so I think he knows more and is correct.

>>76620288
whoah people pay thousands to go to school just to be drug dealers and prescribe jewish poison so people can pay thousands for health insurance and become dependent on drugs for the rest of their lives and make pharma companies billions instead of address the underlying issues!

>>76620288
Yes, some guy that listened to AJ once are for informed and educated than some stupid fuck that spent 12 years memorizing bullshit to diagnose people with made up "diseases"

>>76620348
>>76620355
the funny thing is, both you retards will stop by the ER the second you get seriously sick. You dismiss selective research/findings that conflict with your personal beliefs because reconstructing your world view and admitting you might be wrong is too hard of a pill to swallow. kinda cringe honestly.

>>76620383
>>76620355
Why are you arguing with a literal mutt? His iq is capped at 90 at best

>>76620348
>>76620355
name any enzyme or hormone in the body and there exists a disorder or disease that cause that enzyme or hormone to be imbalanced. You guys are ACTUALLY stupid enough to believe there aren't then disorders causing select neurotransmitters in specific parts of the brain to be imbalanced? jesus christ lmfao

>>76620124
ADHD isn't real, hope this helps.

>>76620390
nta and self-diagnosed with adhd but can you name the mechanism that leads to the specific type of dysfunction we see in adhd?
amphetamines have the same effects on adhd people and non-adhd people btw

>>76620430
Not in my experience. I would mellow out and focus. My friends would be bouncing off the walls. Never understood the appeal unless you want to clean your house or do lots of homework

>>76620431
I realized I had ADHD the first (and only) time I tried cocaine; all I wanted to do was go home and get ready for bed. My brain felt quiet.

>>76620166
What if you already don't have a personality

>>76620517
Then you got nothing to lose. Except your appetite still

>>76620129
Same here man. I had dozens of the instant release pills, and I would have to break them into 1/4 pieces because taking a whole one felt like it would make my chest explode.

>>76620169
stfu you retarded faggot

>>76620288
did you know that water air is a jewish trick? You should tick your head under water for an hour and take deep breaths, as your body will absorb the oxygen from the h20. Jews don't want you to know this simple trick.

>>76620166
It makes you hyper focus on the task at hand. It didn't get rid of my personality, but I was pretty much quiet and really absorbing the environments I was in. I took it throughout university and stopped when I graduated. The 3 side effects that were killing me were
>heart felt like it would explode. Could not run or lift if I had taken it within 8 hours before a session.
>Loss of appetite. Had to eat before taking the pills.
>I would randomly wake up at 2, 3 or 4 am completely wired even if I had taken my last dose in 16 hours prior. This was the worst part, the insomnia that would occur.

>>76620191
He's right you pole smoker

>>76620430
>can you name the mechanism that leads to the specific type of dysfunction we see in adhd
Narcissism: "This dumb thing I want to think about is more important than what I'm supposed to think about." That's only the "real" cases because just about everyone would rather watch cat videos than do homework.

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>>76620124
Brain development is until 25.
You're harming your brain development.

>>76620509
ADHD isn't real, you have a tolerance to dopamine due to an overstimulating lifestyle.
Turn off the screens.

>>76620651
>pole smoker
What does me being German have to do with any of this

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>ADHD
https://www.drlwilson.com/articles/attention_deficit.htm
bro JUST get healthy like for real
https://www.drlwilson.com/ARTICLES/FOOD.DAILY.htm
https://www.drlwilson.com/detox_protocols.htm
https://www.drlwilson.com/Articles/SUPPLEMENTS-BASIC.htm
>BUT I AM HEALTHY
no you're not faggot, takes like a fucking decade of the above before you're someone who can really call themselves healthy, meanwhile you're probably falling for the bullshit below
https://www.drlwilson.com/articles/HEALTH%20FOODS-NO.htm

>>76620431
This doesn't refute my point, all you're saying is that ADHD people need more amphetamines than everyone else

>>76620430
>amphetamines have the same effects on adhd people and non-adhd people btw
no they don't, my friends just tweaked on them and saw no difference in their studying outcome they just felt like they were doing a better job, I took it and I increased my grades by a lot still not enough to fix them completely as my first semester grades were absolute dogshit.

I've taken it, fucked all night and did not need sleep. That is about all of my experimentation on it since I never seen a dr at all

>>76620753
hows the taste of dr wilson's dick?

>>76620735
is it possible for someone to be born with that tolerance? why are you acting like everyone's reward system in their brain is the same at birth

>>76620983
Everyone's different. Some people are stupid. No offense.

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>>76620850
i jacked off on it so many time i had to go to the hospital for extreme back pain

>>76620390
>>76620383

Listen faggot, if there is dysfunction in the brain the "cure" isn't throwing tweaker pills in your body for the rest of your life, it's addressing the root causes.

WHY is your brain chemistry out of whack
WHAT can you do to do fix it?

Most mental problems are linked to neural inflammation, gut axis problems, poor diet, environmental factors, etc.... but big pharma doesn't make money off you curing yourself.

t. someone who took bipolar and adhd meds for 12 years before realizing I could fix myself through exercise, a good diet, fixing my gut, reprogramming my thinking patterns, changing my environment, and changing my habits.

Also shrooms helped.

>>76620881
dunno but if you ever visit him rest assured his dick is probably quite clean
https://www.drlwilson.com/Articles/PEROXIDE-MEN.htm
https://www.drlwilson.com/articles/COFFEE-PENIS.htm

Got diagnosed with ADHD at 25. Was working as a software engineer and literally could not sit down for 20 minutes to work on anything. The diagnostic manuals for ADHD require that you have a certain number of symptoms that have persisted throughout childhood into adult life.
The thing is, for someone my age(born '95) a lot of the things that our fucking up our societies attention span(phones, vdeogames, processed food, exercise is not standard part of life) have been around for my entire life.
I spent a couple years on ritalin. It definitely /seemed/ like it helped my focus, but I lost tons of weight. I was barely eating once a day. I didn't enjoy socializing anymore. Felt like I was tweaking most of the time. Was causing me nausea in the mornings. After two years I was still struggling to sit down and work, and I was way more anxious than I was before.

It's been a year since I quit taking it. I've started exercising 5 days a week. I quit browsing my phone entirely. I've been playing videogames since I was 5, but I quit them cold turkey. I went from masturbating once/twice a day to once/twice a week. I got really strict about cleaning my diet up. I started trying to get sun exposure every morning, and into nature 3 days a week. I fixed my sleep schedule. I started reading to improve my ability to focus. I watch a TV show or movie on occasion, but it's not part of my daily or weekly routine. I quit drug(inc. alcohol) use apart from special occasions.

When I was diagnosed, I was told my ADHD symptoms were so bad that it's a miracle I wasn't incarcerated. Now days I wouldn't say I suffer from a lack of ability to focus or impulsivity at all. I'm not saying that ADHD doesn't exist, but it's impossible for clinicians to differentiate between what's caused by our environment, and what's an un-treatable genetic condition.

>>76621323
cont.
stimulants do help people work, but they also can make you feel more focused and effective without you actually getting anything done. There are also long term effects from taking it. What I told when I was prescribed ritalin is 'there are negative side effects, it's up to you whether the trade off is worth it'. I spent a lot of time worrying about the health of my heart while I was on it.

tl;dr: stimulants useful, sometimes. Thoroughly exhaust every other option to improve focus and discipline before resorting to long term use.

creating good habits and discipline is baby steps, but someone can be so out of whack that they can’t even take baby steps, which means they’re stuck. they are who stimulants are for so they can start taking baby steps and actually start building enough habits and routines and discipline to then get weened off stimulants and not take them anymore. many of the people ITT don’t understand that stimulants for the most part are prescribed as temporary and with regular check-ins with a psychiatrist to se rid you still need them, they’re typically not prescribed as this lifelong drug for someone to take so that big pharma gets more money. if someone tries building discipline and habits for years and just can’t hold them for more than a couple days at a time, then stimulants are the next logical step to help them get on track

>since the dawn of man, people were fine without adderall
>but now listen to this totally not made up illness that says you should sell amphetamines to 1/3 of the youth for life!
Unfortunately, there's no cure for the lack of inteligence

>>76620124
>makes you jack off for 8 hours straight

>>76620804
Well, that would actually mean amphetamines affect ADHD people differently and would prove their brain chemistry is actually different

>>76620651
No he's not he just watched some retard on YouTube say a bunch of words and thought they sounded smart

>>76620160
What do they look? Are they zesty white boys?

>>76621145
>cure" isn't throwing tweaker pills in your body for the rest of your life, it's addressing the root causes.
>suggests shrooms
Fuck off

>>76621406
here's the thing though, people didn't have to sit in cubicles or study from textbooks for most of human history.

people with ADHD would've thrived in our original hunter gatherer society, but they struggle in our industrialized world where you have to stare at microsoft excel 8 hours a day

>>76620124
This shit lead me to smoking meth kek but I'm a big time addict brain

>you don't have ADHD bro, you just need to complete cut out all sources of dopamine, wake up at 5am, go for a run, lift weights, take a cold shower, read ten pages of a book, write down 10 things you're thankful for, eat a perfectly balanced breakfast, THEN you'll have the willpower to spend 5 minutes replying to an email

meanwhile I know people who skip breakfast, don't have a perfect exercise routine, have a youtube video open while they work, and are still able to be productive and get shit done

>>76621323
>>76621331
>tl;dr: stimulants useful, sometimes
I think for a lot of people the issue is that we've been taught to see medication as a Silver Bullet solution, when with ADHD especially it's more like training wheels to help you figure out what changes of habit would work best for you. My best m8 of the past 15+ years was on Adderall the whole time we were in high school, but he ditched it in his early 20s because he'd managed to mold his habits until he didn't need it anymore.
I just got on Vyvanse a few weeks ago at 29 ('96 gang, whaddup brother) and I'm still working on learning how to channel the focus into work instead of letting it suck me into a 4 hour youtube or 4chan binge. Though as a low-severity chubbyfat (22%bf), I'm really appreciating the appetite suppression; I've dropped about 1lb a week since I started on it.

>>76621406
You did not evolve for the world as it exists. You evolved for the world as it hasn't existed for a thousand years.
There is a bit of Chicken-And-Egg about what it means that so many people need pharmaceuticals to fit the roles we've built into post-industrial society, but that's a conversation beyond the scope of what you or most of the twitter boomers ITT could handle.

>>76622077
>they struggle in our industrialized world where you have to stare at microsoft excel 8 hours a day
It's almost like psychiatry was invented to treat people who don't go with the flow (work, home) like they're the problem. ALMOST.

>>76622189
Skepticism is Cruise Control for thinking but you still have to steer the fucking car.
The problem is not psychiatry or pharmacology, the problem is the socioeconomic system that makes psychiatry have so many more patients than it otherwise should.

>>76622208
>Wahhh I hate sleeping on a mattress and washing with warm running water, is this capitalism's fault?

>>76622187
Yup. Now remember that when you think about how many people are able to vote. It helps explain the sheer amount of retardation online when it comes to just about any sufficiently complex topic. Endless swarths of retards, with literal asses for heads, polluting our public discourse ad infinitum. It’s also why talking points and rhetoric are so effective. It gives retards an easy way to disguise their input as relatively intelligible

>ADHD isn't real bro you just need to cut out all dopamine, wake up at 5am every morning, eat only red meat, run 20 miles a day, read 6 million books a week and then you'll be able to remember to take out the trash every week.
Executive dysfunction is what separates someone with ADHD from someone who is just addicted to their phone, since taking away distractions works for the latter but not the former. Stimulants work but they're not really a long term thing, they basically just help you cut through the executive dysfunction and figure out how to live normally, and then you either go off them or drastically reduce how often you take them. We can literally see the differences in the brains of people with ADHD and those who are neurotypical, we just don't use that for diagnosing people because the areas of the brain affected can be affected by other disabilities or conditions as well, but there's a biological basis that improooovement copers deny because they read some articles about smartphones making people retarded.
It's no different from pink haired women thinking OCD means liking tidiness.

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>>76622223
>We can literally see the differences in the brains of people with ADHD and those who are neurotypical,
How many levels of cope do you want to go down to try and prove that?
>only real adhd, but not 75% of those diagnosed
>only statistically significant, not reliable. i.e. many people with adhd don't show it, and many with zero symptoms do show it
I don't doubt there was an fMRI study with "results" at some point but it's just manufactured bullshit to convince idiots it's biological.

If you have good benefits and are willing to do the work, you can therapy/CBT your way out of having to use meds. I personally have been assessed as Markedly Atypical in terms of executive functioning yet I have a 6 figure job with no meds. It does take about 1-2 years though

>>76622243
>How many levels of cope do you want to go down to try and prove that?
A cope called reading several fucking studies that prove it, dumbass.
>but it's just manufactured bullshit to convince idiots it's biological.
Yeah they just went out and found people with several parts of the brain that are smaller than normal and said they had ADHD, you caught me. Clearly making different parts of the brain smaller results in nothing whatsoever.

>Of course it doesn't It's just a conspiracy to sell people more stimulants bro
That's only a problem in countries with very jewish healthcare systems like ameriKKKa where they'll just throw meds at you no questions asked. More civilised countries still give meds to people with ADHD because it's a real thing, they're just (rightfully) more strict about who gets them.

>>76622274
>A cope called reading several fucking studies that prove it, dumbass.
Post one.

>>76622280
https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=ADHD+vs+neurotypical+brains+MRI+study

>>76622294
>ADHD+vs+neurotypical+brains+MRI+study
> no association was found between brain macrostructure and ADHD symptoms.
>In children and adolescents, severity of ADHD symptoms was linked to decreased frontal and temporal grey matter, caudate and cerebellar volumes
You're just dumb bro, take your Ritalin.

>>76622294
>doesn't have any specific research papers he can cite
>just trust me bro
You are a dumb nigger. Stop pretending to understand things you don't.

>>76620124
30 mg time release adderall (amphetamine) was such a great time holy shit, and only for a few months. but to answer your question, yes, taking amphetamine daily for the rest of your life will fuck you up.

>>76622319
>>76622330
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8653781/
The fact that you people are allowed to vote is insane.

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>>76620124
I'm 37 and I'm in the same boat anon. I got adderall prescribed to me a few years ago and it changed my life, people will say ADHD is fake but the reality is that neither they nor we know what the fuck is actually mechanistically happening inside our brains to make us feel this way. All I know is I was only able to succeed at school if I was locked in a sensory deprivation tank at all times and none of my friends needed to do that.

>b-but you just don't have willpower

Meanwhile I'm the only person I know who can stick to a reliable fitness schedule and maintain a diet, I practice meditation, I've indulged in every single holistic ADHD cope you can imagine. I literally sun my balls every morning on my deck. I never eat out, I cook all my own meals, I have great cardio, I restrict my screen time, I literally do not have social media accounts. None of that shit does anything, it's just moralizing cope from people who don't want to accept that others might actually have harder lives than them along this one specific axis.

>ok but if you just do an hour of cardio and fast and meditate and then put all your screens away and stare at a grey wall for 90 minutes to reset your dopamine tolerance, THEN you can do your homework, it's THAT easy you're just addicted to stimulation

If you actually have to do all this shit just to preform normal tasks that every other human completes every single day, YOU HAVE A DISABILITY. Yeah I wish I could treat the underlying cause permanently, but I can't, and meds are a billion times more effective than wasting hours of every single day babysitting this bullshit.

>>76620124
They're trying to take it away from me and I'm forced to not be so lazy and actually use my brain
Fucking sucks.

it makes me 40% more productive and completely ruins my sleep

miracle drug unironically

autism and adhd are literally a package deal, it would not surprise me if half of you would benefit from amphetamines

>>76620124
it'll be good for like a year then you will still feel retarded even while on it and when off you will just be an irritable, tired, hungry ghoul
good luck

>>76622394
Those people were on ahdh meds which alters brain. New study recently on correlation between adults taking adhd meds and altzeimers. Of course, adukts feeling their mind deteriorating will be mire likely to take such meds, so it isnt necisarily that the meds are causing this.

>>76620169
>A number of early writers described human behaviour patterns similar to today's definitions of ADHD. Some of them are Benjamin Rush, Charles West, Heinrich Neumann, Désiré-Magloire Bourneville, Thomas Clifford Albutt and Thomas Smith Clouston

In what context do you guys struggle to concentrate and find motivation so you need drugs? Unnaturual environments where you spend hours at a time sitting performing repetitive and mundane tasks that do not interest you? Humans were not designed to behave this way.

>>76622480
>Humans were not designed to behave this way.
YOU were not designed to behave this way. 98% of the population went to school and go to work every day just fine.

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>>76622480
I like coding the droogs just makes it easier
In fact life is just easier with THREMBO COMBO

>>76622492
>98% of the population went to school and go to work every day just fine.
Most people also need drugs to wake up in the morning and perform their job. The average person is not someone who is deep thinking and analytical. Most people seem to not only be in some sort of autopilot but are often coping with existense with religion or drugs of some sort.

>>76622509
>Most people also need drugs to wake up in the morning and perform their job
No they don't.

>>76622511
Wow i was off, only about 69% of people drink caffeine every day according to a quick search. Genuinely thought it was in the upper 90s

>>76622218
>Endless swarths of retards, with literal asses for heads, polluting our public discourse ad infinitum.

>>76622545
Drinking caffeine in the morning to wake yourself up a little isn't the same as needing it to function. If most coffee drinkers quit caffeine they'd still be fine.

>>76621145
>Listen faggot, if there is dysfunction in the thyroid the "cure" isn't throwing thyroid pills in your body for the rest of your life, it's addressing the root causes.

This is how retarded your argument is.

>>76622480
>Humans were not designed to behave this way.
Sure but it keeps my bills paid. Life is full of trade-offs, Anon.

>>76620753
>5. Eat animal quality protein twice every day, and eat protein three times daily. For rapid development, do not eat a vegetarian diet.
Stopped reading here. He is a psychopath.

>>76622480
>Humans were not designed to behave this way
humans were not designed, we're not some perfect specimens, just imperfect creatures getting by

>>76622585
this entire site got infected with cathcuck larpers in the wake of that Qanon pedophile that ruined /pol/ 8 years ago. best to just ignore them and get on with your life.

>>76622585
very wrong and untrue. We are all designed by evolution for a very specific way of living. The farther one deviates from this the more stress they will encounter.

>>76620124
>it shouldn’t have student my brain development

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>>76620124
It's hard to say because I've been on it since I was about 12 (29 now), so my entire neurochemistry/morphology is built around the stuff. I'm not pleased I was put on it so early but I quit for about 3 years, and didn't have any problems other than becoming generally less engaged (career was fine) and lower IQ. I went back on it, and things are fine again.

>ADHD isn't le real

ADHD is real its just been mass applied so kids who wouldn't have gotten in to law/biz school can do so.

REAL ADHD is a definite type, and shares some appearances with autism, mostly in not conforming to social norms. But whereas the autist doesn't/can't understand social norms, the ADHDanon simply doesn't care to observe them.

A true ADHD case isn't some "lol random" Zoe D. woman or (you) not having crystalized your self actualization fantasy, they're an anon that has a messy room, drives a shitty car, wears crumpled clothes, perpetually late, and are relatively rude/merciless, etc etc, not because they don't understand what they're supposed to do - but because they simply don't care to do it.

ADHD lowers the reward for conforming to expectations to basically zero. Generally speaking this can look like sociopathy/psychopathy or at least very low empathy/consensus seeking but in reality it isn't driven by an outside ego or hostility, just apathy towards the crowd. True ADHD people for this reason tend to be hyper-individualists.

This is also why it's so common among CEOs. Not that they're ADHD is somehow a le good thing - it isn't. But ADHD pushes them to self employee because they simply do not conform, and obviously as entrepreneurs end up being CEOs if the 1/100 of them that get lucky make it.

tldr: ADHD is a specific, relatively rare thing. You not having more motivation/discipline than the other 99% of humanity just because being on top sounds nice is not ADHD. It has more to do with conformity than attention.

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>>76622661
close but not quite
it just means (if you're a westerner/eastoid) you're an aristochad/warrior caste
obviously a peasant needs to constantly be planning and applying himself to have enough food for winter. any that couldn't do so wouldn't survive in the gene pool.

warriors/nobles had no need of such robotic dedication to trivial tasks, not in the way agricucks did. only brief periods of hyper focus during battle this is also why hunter gatherers/ steppe chads had similar problems and ADHD-like symptoms when put in colonial schools.

>>76622661
>lower IQ from not taking stimulants
Bad post, stopped reading there

>>76621560
Hold on does Adderall do that for anyone???
I have maybe jacked off on it ~10 times in my life. Tbh it kills my libido

>>76620383
>going to the ER for acute injury or sickness is the same as blindly thrusting big pharma and the people they sponsor to push their products (doctors)
yep, it's another episode of dog shit equivalents spewed forth from the mouth of pseuds

>>76620730
Ack!tually, the guy that did the brain imaging study that people use to conclude that development stops at 26 didn't have enough money to continue beyond age 26. Your brain probably never stops changing, but it's hard to say how since there is no lifetime study of brain development.

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>>76622394
>394▶>>76622460
>>>76622319 (You)
>>>76622330
>https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8653781/
>The fact that you people are allowed to vote is insane.
I don't think you got the "joke", which is that it basically said your brain is shittier overall with adhd. Paying attention is a thing your brain does, so you're bad at it.

I started doing alot of HIIT cardio before taking my dose and the increased heart rate stuff no longer feels dangerous, but now if I take it for 2 days in a row, I start developing pain in my wrists. Would magnesium help?

What do I tell the psychiatrist to prescribe me this shit, she is some immigrant that wants to give me anti depressants instead.

>>76623090
accept the antidepressants, don't take them (or do idc), then say you don't feel any better and complain about typical side effects, repeat until you get good shit

in general you want to pretend to be very naive about what pills are what, I've had doctors I'd built enough of a rapport with to be more honest about my level of knowledge but I was already prescribed adderall at that point, you probably want to stick to the "I just want to fix my mental illness and be productive" act

>>76622571
Listen Jew, if there is a thyroid dysfunction then you figure out whats going on in the body to cause this. Stop buying into the american model of medicine and thinking a pill or medication is the only way to solve problems in your body.

America works by selling you food and products that make you sick, then they sell you medication to treat the sickness they gave you. Repeat.

You just dont want to give up your drugs, druggie. I hate pill poppers.

>>76622270
>CBT your way out of having to use meds
cock and ball torture? they were electrocuting your balls every time you got distracted?

>>76620348
>le da joos for every single thing in the universe!

>>76623107
>"and be productive"

Yep this is the major key. Literally frame everything with regard to your ability to do your job. The SYSTEM takes mental health seriously to the extent that mental health is required to serve THE SYSTEM and no more.

>>76620124
This unironically felt like I was on the limitless drug when I did this. All the brai fog evaporated and I was able to use my raw mental power to get shit done. I wrote a term paper overnight that scored better than the class average. If you're not careful you will end up jerking off all night on meth though

>>76620124
There is no such thing as an Adderrol deficiency, therefore taking it could not possibly solve your problems.

>>76620383
>both you retards will stop by the ER the second you get seriously sick
Viruses, bacteria, broken bones, cancer, etc are all observable things in reality. Please post proof that ADHD exists.

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>>76623257
>There is no such thing as an Adderrol deficiency, therefore taking it could not possibly solve your problems.
I wasn't high one time and it solved that problem.

>>76623261
>going to doctorniggers for cancer
ngmi tbqhwyf

ADHD is just a way for shitheads to justify their shitty behaviour instead of blaming and improving themselves.
>no, it's not that I'm lazy and need discipline, I have ADHD ;)
Also, real ADHD (like autism) is basically a form of retardation. But these people will always refuse to admit that, because they are narcisist manchildren at their core that cannot accept blame or responsability. Pure child behaviour.
>NOOOO I AM VERY SMART BUT LAZY CAUSE ADHD
You are either using it as an excuse or are mentally challenged. Call it.

>>76620124
Yeah I need it. I'm old (30) and still in school and I can't fucking study without drugs shit sucks.

>>76620124
Imagine taking meth when modafinil exists
Ngmi
You're chasing the speed high otherwise you would be fine with modafinil. Basically a junkie

>>76622417
Thanks for this anon. I’ve been committed to fitness since freshman year of high school and successful in almost all areas of my life but a total fuck up when it comes to school or sticking to one career path. I’m really glad I finally got prescribed because I was able to finally move forward on anything.

>>76620648
>Could not run or lift if I had taken it within 8 hours before a session.
>completely wired even if I had taken my last dose in 16 hours prior
You probably have the comt deficiency gene. My friend is like this. We used to work together and I had this gray market preworkout that had some kind of amphetamine analogue or substituted amphetamine or whatever, and we'd both have a scoop at 7 am for work, and it was completely out of my system by around noon but he said he was still tensed up and couldn't sleep at like 10pm.

>>76622270
>>76623213
No retard he means current body thread
The homos lusting after him gives him the confidence he needs

I thought ADHD was real until I stopped estrogen, started lifting 5x a week, and voila I have no trouble focusing anymore

>>76623208
you have a fifth grade level of understanding of medicine.

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In my case, it's helped, but it also gives me horrible shits quite often. Not much different than coffee or energy drinks, but still. Just because it's "for your brain" doesn't mean it won't affect the rest of your body as well. To me they're like training wheels. All in all I'd rather work on my mental issues on my own as well, and not worry about constant diarrhea or cardiovascular complications 20 years down the road.

>>76620124
How do I get it prescribed? Do I go to my family doctor, saying I have a really bad brain fog and it's ruining my life or get it online?

>>76624796
Yeah wtf is up with that? I feel I need to evacuate myself completely or else I have weird tension feelings all over my body. Is there any thing that can be done about stim shits?

>>76620129
It's meth. You will become an upper addict and ruin your life. Watch Requim for a Dream.

>>76622439
It was an interesting conversation trying to get diagnosed with ADHD when I was in university.

The boomer psychiatrist was like
>not a child
>obviously successful because you made it to university
>you have asperger's, and I don't do double diagnoses
>anyway, try and find some documentation from your childhood like school reports

Luckily I not only had school reports full of comments basically going "he is really smart, if only he could pay fucking attention!", but also some old psychologist's report saying yeah he's a bit fucky I guess ADHD possibly 'tism.

I also found the statistic where basically half of all autists also have adhd symptoms and brought it up at some point.

Ended up getting a prescription without technically getting an ADHD diagnosis. It has definitely helped me. I would have loved to have been medicated earlier. There's just so many ways in which ADHD fucks your shit up and you're just spending most of your time coping instead of being productive. The autism probably makes it worse. You don't know how many hours of my life I spent reading the ingredients on shampoo bottles to then be late for school lmao.

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>>76622772
There are limits, like around age 55 your white matter structural integrity begins to destabilize

Yes, this means every single politician over 55 literally has age-induced brain damage.

>>76622439
I'm getting pretty sure I got both. Obviously ended up doing that computer attention test with good score, so I might end up looking too functional to the psychiatrist when we will meet in a month. I really hope they will understand I have huge issues starting things and maintaining focus on my own.
Of course I procrastinated a lot of getting started with the diagnosis, so I missed a lot of opportunities in my life by now and I really fear I won't be able to maintain the house when my parents get too sick to get shit done.

>>76622480
Dude, I have hard time starting to learn things I want to learn. I pick up a hobby and mess around with it for a week or two and then drop it when the fun part ends and the grind begins.
Hell, I have issues watching anime if it isn't balls-to-the-wall action. I catch myself switching to youtube tabs with music on it every minute or so.

FYI you can't be a pilot if you were ever diagnosed with ADD, unless you can basically prove it was bullshit, somehow.

>>76626283
Lacking commitment over a longer period of time doesnt mean you have attention problems. You have commitment and will power issues, which is something you can work on. Lots of people quit when the times get tough. Not because of adhd. I was prescribed that junk as a kid but i dont take it. Maybe you just like action anime. Excuses and drugs are easy. Forming new habbits and behavior patterns are not.

>>76626319
You can fly as long as you are not addicted to stimulants. Of course any statements saying you have some type of attention disorder would be a red flag and reasonably so. As a kid i was given extra tesr time for adhd. No other kid had such a supposedly crippeling disorder in the school.

I actually care about life now and im always the first one finished in my current college tests. I was just a depressed niholistic kid who should not have been forced into a desk for 8 hours.

>>76626321
Explain then how I repeatedly try drawing despite bouncing off all the time. I have artistic spirit lingering in there that wants to show it's demons to people, yet it can't do it.
Hell, I remember getting into gamedev and trying to figure out how to code a system I wanted to implement. How come I could spend hours on challenging stuff, then drop the thing when I had to do the boring part of making assets?
It's all about dopamine. If it brings dopamine, then an ADHD person will latch onto it like a leech. I can listen to the same song for hundreds of times just to drop it and then entirely forget it existed.
Had a habit to go to the gym 1-2 times a week, along the time I stripped the unnecessary parts like showing there because it was more convenient at home.
I went like two times without my earbuds and now I struggle going once a month.
Dopamine is also the executive hormone, so having low levels of it means not getting shit done. Watering the plants takes like four minutes max and I still somehow manage to ignore it for days. Same with the dishes.

>>76626380
You basically keep describing literally me except i have recently learned recently that i really can focus if im truly motivated. Hitting rock bottom really helled me focus because i had to kms or improve my state of mind. Focusing is now about my survival.

I have the same thing with my writing. I have an artistic spirit trying to be free but writing is time consuming and requires a lot of attention instead of idk jerking off and getting high and playing video games.

You probably do struggle mpre than most, but i think given the right motivation and environment and psychological state you can pay attention to stuff you at least enjoy.


I recently discovered i can watch ancient history youtube docs for hours straight without breaking my concentration.

>>76626380
>>76626412
Btw my supposed adhd was so bad i actually went to a school for learning disabilities. Maybe it is real and i simply learned to cope with it. But if i can then you can.

Just use nicotine. That’s what I did

>>76626436
You reckon that actually works? My father stopped cigs and he basically became a mess for years afterwards. Nows hes picked them up again but his vascular health isnt the greatest.

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>>76624269
no you just bought into the failed american medicine system that will keep you dependent on pharmaceuticals and surgeons for the rest of your life

most of the ADHD fags here:
never did intense exercise or sports to release their excess mental energy
have high estrogen and therefore overactive thoughts
have never tried meditation and trained their brain to focus
have never ate healthy for years

>>76626283
this is all behavioral and environmental
if you were in prison and didn't have access to thousands of distractions youll magically be able to sit down and read whole books

>>76626380
gym 1-2 a week?
bro this sounds like an issue with your environment which is why i told the other guy
1. eleminate distractions
2. prepare ahead of time
3. create routine

if you were in prison your adhd would magically disappear. You wouldn't have distractions. You'd be working out every day. You wouldn't have your computer. You'd have to keep your mind busy.

ADHDfags are almost always high estrogen sissies as well

>>76627883
based post
t. >>76624250

>>76626319
Cars should be also banned from ADHD/ADD people. When I drive a car I daydream and look somewhere else, think about stuff. Because of this I have hit a car in front of me. I should be banned from cars but aren't.

>>76626436
Doesn't help.

>>76627883
>most of the ADHD fags here:
>never did intense exercise or sports to release their excess mental energy
>have high estrogen and therefore overactive thoughts
>have never tried meditation and trained their brain to focus
>have never ate healthy for years
Not true in my case.
>if you were in prison and didn't have access to thousands of distractions youll magically be able to sit down and read whole books
I was in prison and I couldn't read. I did read 3 books maybe but only because they were interesting enough to keep me focused. Also I often had breaks during reading, I read for 15 minutes then had to take a break.
>if you were in prison your adhd would magically disappear.
I was and it didn't disappear.
>You'd be working out every day
I trained my muscles once per week because the gym day was once per week. I didn't train anything inside the cell.

>>76624796
helps me focus but I can feel it squeezing my nervous system, idk how to describe I just feel anxious if I take it too many days in a row

>>76628358
You sound lazy

>>76621164
>Rapes. If a man has raped a woman, he will go through a repentance process when doing the penis peroxide procedure. He will be shown the effects of his action on the woman, how she felt, and how it affected everyone around her. The process usually takes about 20 minutes to complete.

>>76629900
> The reason the peroxide therapy works so well is that peroxide today contains special souls.
>They are quite advanced and they may speak to you during the therapy sessions.
>These advanced souls decide the order in which traumas will be retraced.
>They base the order on the seriousness of the trauma and what they believe the

>>76628358
What prison were you at?

>>76630155
Debtors prison

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>>76629900
for him that's like a 2/10 on the batshit barometer, still recommend following his diet/detox

>>76620124
For me its xanax or a longer acting benzo. I literally just rot without it but with it I’m completing all my goals. You just have to use it sparingly and dont take any crazy doses ever or it will stop working

crazy Americans and their drugs...

>>76630155
Why does it matter? It was pedo prison, for pedos. I could only read a few books, not more. Couldn't focus.

>>76631241
>not releasing feral dicknipple tranny rapists to cull your weaker population
NGMI behavior

>>76620124
do carnivore diet

look i dont have time to read this thread and shit. Someone give me the TLDR. Is there a productivity drug that

A) will not fuck up my sleep
B) possesses a reasonable additction profile such that it can be used without a high chance of being reliant
C) is obtainable OTC or via the grey market or via telehealth shit easily

I DO NOT want to hear about bullshit like L-theanine or some retard telling me to take fish oil and the like.

>>76620124
I take it for work but I love how sometimes my ADHD gives me insane hyper focus where 3 hours turns into 10 minutes

>>76620152
>>76620160
>>76620166
This makes me think that these people didn’t actually need it in the first place.
I got diagnosed in my late 20’s, and taking it makes it a tiny bit easier to focus on one thing and I’ve gained 15lbs.
Taking OP’s picrel exactly.
I was honestly kinda bummed because I knew people that would get geeeeeked off the stuff (still do, honestly), and I thought it was going to “fix” me.
I’m still a fucking scatterbrained mess.
I can accomplish like one thing per day and I’m thinking about whatever that is/ where I need to be at whatever time the entire fucking day, just stuck in limbo because I’m worried I’ll get distracted and fuck up that one thing.
I got diagnosed so late because I always made fantastic grades through HS and college, but I’ve literally never written a paper in more than one session/ sit down.
Being mildly intelligent and actually able to handle procrastination got me through school fine, but I’m a failure as a functional adult.
God I wish that shit made me feel anywhere close to what I’ve seen it do to other people.
The fact that I can sleep better and am (accidentally) gaining weight on the stuff has really driven the point home that there’s something fundamentally abnormal with my brain on a chemical level.
It does almost nothing, and I’ve seen that shit turn people into cracked out machines.
If anyone’s had a similar experience, please do chime in.

>>76631874
Currently prescribed the former for panic disorder but am talking to a psychiatrist about something for general anxiety and they keep trying to prescribe SSRIs.
What I think would really help is just a longer acting, potentially less intense benzo.
Any suggestions?
My anxiety has been fucking me up worse and worse and I use the former because I have fucking panic attacks when I try to go to sleep (insomnia was a huge problem for me and a years long battle of trial and error to find something that actually helped).
So I can’t afford to take it during the day, or I risk depriving myself of sleep.
Just looking for something to help me survive the day and be functional.
>inb4 alcohol
I’ve been sober for years after self medicating myself into a hole.

>>76633288
you could try kava. its an anxiolitic not really sure how it works but seems less harsh than alcohol

>>76620124
Weird ass drug.
>underdose
makes me slightly more focused but very tired, zombie mode, people annoy me, I'm kinda depressed
>overdose
turn into a happy jokey extrovert, can talk for hours about stupid shit, heart palpitations, sweating, horny, have to very careful to already be doing what I need to get done or else I'll hyperfixate on some random useless bullshit, can't sleep till midnight, appetite tanks
>right dose
almost perfect, good focus, smooth balance, feel friendly but don't want to yap all day, still eat fine, sleep isn't completely rekt

The fucking problem is my right dose changes depending on the time of day, what I have and haven't eaten, how much sleep I've had, and my tolerance level. It's like Russian roulette to see what I'm going to get each time

>>76633264
To me it sounds like you are underdosed, talk to your doc about bumping it up (assuming you haven't hit any bad sides yet like teeth grinding or insomnia). Actually my advice would be to tell your doc that the EX is not lasting long enough and ask for some supplemental IR pills. Then you can experiment with dosage on your own, taking half, taking double, ect.

>>76633300
… I drink a decent amount of kratom, a friend put me on to it and I realized that one serving of that = one anxiety med I don’t have to take/ am able to use for sleep.
Sometimes I’ll drink it before going to the gym (I go to the gym at 2-3 in the morning and it still makes me fucking nervous).
It won’t prevent a panic attack, but it does help with general anxiety.

Thank you for your input, anon.
I know you said kava and I said kratom, but I know that to some the two are synonymous so I figured it was kinda relevant.
I’m about to sit down and do some research into the anxiolytic properties of Kava and the differences and similarities between the two.
Will report back.
I mostly fuck with kratom because I get it stupid cheap from a local hippie incense/crystal shop where I’ve known the staff for years (like 40% cheaper than I can find on the internet, even), I’ll have to see if kava is even a realistic option because of price, too.

>>76633351
I’ve taken two 30 xr and it makes me sleep like a baby, no change in focus or motivation.
However, what you mentioned is what I’m trying at the moment.
They just added IR 10s (yesterday), and I’ll goof around and experiment but I’ve already kinda done that by breaking down the xr and honestly, I don’t think dosage is making that big a difference.
I’m just bummed because I thought this would be the magic remedy as to why I’m such a failure.
It’s just so crazy to me that it does borderline nothing to me, and causes other people go on 48 hour housecleaning benders.
Not that I expected to get that geeked up, but just some (externally provided) sense of drive OR focus would be life changing.

I’ve read that people have had the same lack of results that I’ve experienced have had some success through adding Wellbutrin to their mix, but that also did not seem to help.

ty anon