What is truly better overall?
>>76623415Weightlifting./thread
>>76623415im going to give the boring answer and say it depends on your goals. Id say calisthenics is better for overall health but if you want to acquire mass and become a monster hulk then weightlifting is the way to go.
>>76623415Both?
not being able to do at least 20 pushups is just embarrassing no matter your size
>>76623427And not to mention its more affordable
>>76623415whatever you enjoy and can stick to long-term
>>76623415I'm a big fan of barbells/weighted calisthenics, then finish on machines to max fatigue.
>>76623415Better overall for what? You're question is retard tier.
>>76623431This but pullups
>>76623490health
>>76623415Weightlifting, higher celing, bad leverages don't exclude you from entire categories of movments just means you do them differently,easier on the joints and connective tissue if you follow more sane loading principles,more time compact,easier to scale,better researched,is already embedded in most physical pursuits,better for bone density and leanmass retention,better for hormones,better for making more consistent progress over time.It's not even close people trying to peddle you the illusion that they're comparable are either rationalizing their sunk cost or trying to sell you something.
>>76623427>if you want to acquire mass and become a monster hulk then weightlifting is the way to go.you forgot to mention the roids
>>76623415Like being fit, have strength and endurance, good muscle tone, being able to train in your home with little to no equipment, not having to eat a shit ton just to maintain your weight? Calisthenics works great.Want to grow more muscle and strength than normal, don't mind traveling to a gym or having a spotter, don't mind relying on or acquiring a lot of equipment, willing to eat more than normal to support your muscle development? Weights work great.Not afraid to mix and match and want some of the benefits of both? Combining them works great.
>>76623415Right now I do both. Weighted decline pushups, weighted dips, weighted chinups, weighted inverted rows, bss, ez bar curls, hammer curl, tricep pushdowns, band kickbacks, upright rows.... Band pull aparts....But I also live in a cheap hotel in a small town.
>>76623415Ive always been a minimalist. With calisthenics i own a pull up bar, a pair of rings, and a 35lb weight vest. And I have every thing I need. I dont plan on being a body builder. Why would I train like one? I still do a ppl routine with calisthenics and have gotten good results over the past few years and dont have any joint pain and experience almost 0 injuries.
>>76623415Weightlifting is better for results. Calisthenics are just a convenience. I do both. Your thread seems fake btw. Are you a bot?
>>76623505Swimming.
>>76623415calisthenics work well if you're already pretty large and heavy because you lift a medium+ amount of bodyweight, if you're a beginner with no muscles there's no bodymass to lift so go for weightlifting, simple, I do both and don't care about A vs B mentality
isn't calisthenics just weight lifting but limited
>>76623560Whats a good way to start calisthenics?
>>76624301No this isnt a bot post>>76624373Why not biking instead?>>76624621Fair>>76624658No its different from weightlifting
>>76624889Basic exercises. Push ups, pull ups, squats and crunches
>>76623492I'm 6'5 250lbs and I can't progress past 14 clean overhand pull ups. I tried grease the groove, emom, variations, weighted, cheating, only cheating the last few, bands. I enjoy them very much and I got big lats from them but I'd like to do more. Does anyone have tips?
>>76624889pic rel. or BWSF routine on nick-e (.) com
>>76625117best abdominal exercise?
>>76623435Bro, you can get a gym membership for 20 bucks a month. How poor are you?
>>76625177>How poor are you?Does it matter?
>>76623415Anon there's no best or wost, it's retarded to even say that and anyone who does is a fat vegan retard and is not worth listeing to. It depends on you and your goals.Someone who's on the lower height side who has stayed skinny all his life will probably benefit from bodyweight and weighted basic compounds, you can really get a really long way for almost free before stepping into a gym, not to mention all the cool skills that you unlock and ring work.Muscle-ups, front levers, planches. That shits puts you easily in the top 1 percentile by relative upperbody strength because most people you meet on the street will struggle with one pullup.If your goal is a healthy toned physique with some muscle development and low bodyfat, which is the kind of look most people will be totally fine with, then you can spend your 1-2 years of newbie gains on calisthenics and bring it all home without gym membership.Pullups and dips are also recommended in the sticky as main compounds, so everyone can use them whether it's calisthenics or weightlifting.Also most people have this strange idea about calisthenics that it's only like dips and pullups with an insane weekly volume which is obviously not true.People who do calisthenics can then branch out into streetlifting (competitions in weighted pullups, dips and muscle ups), statics, learning skills, gymnasticsif you think you are strong and maxxed out your pushups or pullups gains try to do planche pushups or front lever rows, same bodyweight but you simply manipulate the lever and now you have a much more demanding lift without adding any weight
>>76624889>Whats a good way to start calisthenics?Start with the basics and branch out from there. Do 3 sets max effort to find out your abilities and adjust as needed. Use alternate techniques, like doing push ups on your knees, or keeping your legs grounded for dips or pull ups, to help you do the exercises if needed to build strength. Stick with the basics until you get some strength and endurance and branch out from there.Basic routine set up as daily circuits where you run through each exercise to complete 1 circuit and doing a total of 3 circuits to complete 3 sets of each exercise.Day 1 upper body: stretchwalk / jog 20-30 minspush upssit upsdipsside bendschin upstorso twistspull upsstretchDay 2 legs:stretchwalk / jog 20-30 minssquatssit upslungesside bendscalf extensionstorso twistsstretchDay 3 abs:stretchwalk / jog 20-30 minssit upsside bendstorso twistsstretchDay 4: rest
>>76623415Calisthenics + weightlifting = weighted calisthenicsweighted calisthenics is best
>>76624898>Does anyone have tips?Do your pull ups as normal until you get smoked and can't do any more, then place a chair under the bar, mount the bar, and use your legs on the chair to assist you to do another set while you're still smoked up. Eventually, those extra reps will help you get stronger, and you'll be able to do more without the chair.
>>76625147>best abdominal exercise?No such thing. Some are better for upper (crunches/sit ups), some for lower (leg raises), some for sides (side bends). Mix and match as needed and based on your abilities.
>>76625706Forced negatives, hmmm I tried that for a bit but seemed like more of a hypertrophy thing. Might give it another try
>>76625714Not to mention pull ups and push ups work the abdomen when properly engaged. >>76625452True, as well as handstand push ups, pistol squats. But for health overall its calisthenics.
>>76623415Do both, add sprinting twice a week, 4 sessions of your choice steady state low impact cardio, and you are good to go.
Weighted calisthenics.
>>76624889Ignore all the autismposts and go do 3 pushups right nowRepeat later
Up to your preference. If you have shit genetics and low T, you'll look DYEL regardless.
>>76623415For immediate results, easily weightlifting.
>>76625177Now add:>travel to gym>changing clothes>waiting until machine is free>bonus wiping someone's sweat>watch your ass in the shower>changing clothes again>travel back from the gymYour 20 bucks a month is actually <your hourly rate x 2/3> bucks a day because time is money friend.Here's what you do with calisthenics in your living room.>Strip to underwear>Start immediately>No downtime due to congestion>Shower safely
>>76627897This, smart. Except the shower. You shouldn't shower after exercising. You should shower once per month or per week.Also when you have home gym you can make supersets of two exercises, so your breaks are shorter. You can also do something productive when you rest between sets.
>>76624898Gonna be hard at that weight, but check out 50pullups.com and just follow their routine, i did it and I got to 32 pull-ups granted I’m 180lbs but still
>>76623415calisthenics are just worse overall, it takes way too much time to do even 1/4 of the progress than it is with weights, its only good if you have zero alternatives
>>76624263calisthenicsexercise without weightsyou use weights
Weighted calisthenics.>it's not calisthenicsAnd so what?
>>76625117horrific program if there is one
>>76623415to be frank, if you can't move your body weightlifting is pretty pointless. calisthenics should come first. why would you do weighted squats when you already struggle to do them normally? why would you do benchpresses when you can't do pushups? you will see a lot more improvement in a shorter time with calisthenics, and then when you are plateueing you should start weightlifting
>>76630736this, especially if you're couchmaxxxed at the start. calisthenics are good for learning or re-learning motions and muscles and are pretty safe so you won't injure yourself and make you less prone to injury when you do start lifting in earnest. a good foundation makes for a successful program
>>76623415overall calisthenicsbecause you need a low bodyweight aka be lean to achieve the calisthenics stuff
>>76632029You can be fat calisthenic, extra fat will give bigger resistance in exercises, growing bigger stronger muscles.
>>76623415Weightlifting = Become strong as fuckCalisthenics = Optimize your strength-to-bodyweight ratioDo both.
>>76629786whats wrong with it
>>76629052>calisthenics are just worse overall,Not for general health, fitness, expense, and convenience, and that's what most people need and want. If our lazy ass western society did 20 mins of calisthenics a day, which they can do in their own home without the need of any equipment, we wouldn't have near the amount of fat people we do today.
All athletes do weightlifting. You can't even tell me calisthenics are more functional. Do them if you find them fun and rewarding and a couple of the movements do seem to have some good value in a variety of disciplines, but let's be honest here.
>>76630736This is what a really stupid person believes is what a smart person sounds like. You're telling me if someone can't do a pull up it wouldn't be beneficial to start in a lat pulldown (which they can do even if it's 20lbs) and actually progress it rapidly vs trying to do negatives and dead hangs? Lel
>>76633200Calisthenics save commute time to gym. And you don't need to wait for equipment like in the gym.People are so lazy and clueless they don't do it.
>>76633239>All athletes do weightlifting.Because they're competing. The overwhelming vast majority of people aren't competing and just need and want to be generally healthy and fit, which they can be using calisthenics. No need for equipment, commuting, or paying a fee for any gym membership.
>>76633406My gym is close by, it is cheap, it is fun. You've invented problems that don't exist as an excuse to do a less effective routine.
>>76633623>The overwhelming vast majority of people aren't competing and just need and want to be generally healthy and fitRead that again. Understand it, if you can.
>>76633648vast majority of people are out of shape and would make faster improvements using weight training
i wanted to join a gym but all of them have wild amount of fees they charge up front and it's like wtf i can't a month to see if i like it here first? it's off putting
>>76633658>would make faster improvements using weight trainingNo they wouldn't. They'd have to buy weights, or go to a gym with weights. They can do calisthenics anywhere, including their own home, using their own bodyweight.If they wanted to be power lifters, or compete in bodybuilding, then yes, they'd need weights...and steroids. But for general heath, calisthenics and body weight is all they need.
>>76633675You can't do pull ups and pushups when you are out of shape but you can easily do lat pulldowns and bench press.
>>76633682>You can't do pull ups and pushups when you are out of shapeSure you can. You can start pushing against a wall from a standing position, or from a position on your knees, and if you have a pull up bar, you can lower it or use a chair to use your legs to push you up to help when you're smoked.You don't even need a pull up bar, as you can do a variety of push-ups, and use a chair, bed, or sofa to do a variety of dips.
>>76623415whatever you can be consistent with
>>76633725Instead of pull ups they can do inverted rows, using pull up bar or two chairs or two tables.Inverted rows are easier because you don't pull your whole body, as it partially is on the feet.
>>76633754Right. There's a lot of different options that can be used without the need for weights or equipment, for general fitness. If people just walked 20 minutes a day, did 3 sets each of push-ups, sit ups, and body weight squats 3-4 times a week, we wouldn't have the fat epidemic that exists today.
