>>76667217
ok lets talk, you start

>>76667217
random exercises on steroids/sarms cycles

>>76667217
fit was always focused on gay bodybuilding, so it's frustrating,
there should definitely be a separate board for that because i don't consider bodybuilding to be related to fitness at all
in fact, you could easily argue that bodybuilding is the opposite of being fit

but i think the plg general is good as far as strength talk, but maybe too skewed on extreme powerlifting even extreme strength

very bad

>>76667217
There’s no discussion to be had around truisms. Mathematicians don’t sit around saying “oh gee isn’t it great that 1+1=2?” Everyone knows that to get big you eat more and lift weights. The discussions happen around stuff that people have differing opinions on. Not to mention that /fit/ is in no way reflective of anything anyone does in real life, and nobody on this godforsaken board lifts anyway.

EVERYONE will eventually be forced to stop squatting and deadlifting due to back pain, which eventually will emerge in everyone that does those lifts using hundreds of pounds, so people get to a point where they've removed squat or deadlift, (or both) from their routine. That ends up with the individual saying "fuck it" to caring about the big 5 / strength anymore, why? because why care about it when you're now forced out of 1-2 of the major lifts in the big 5? it doesn't feel good to keep focusing on the other lifts in the same manner when you're not locked out of actually have a complete strength routine.

So people just start doing whatever, they stop bench pressing with barbell, they go to dumbbell presses, etc

This was inevitable, no matter how good your squat and deadlift form is, you will eventually get develop back pain which will force you to quit those lifts. This happens to literally every single person who gets into strength training.

For me it was replacing Squats with Leg Press and getting way better results in terms of actual muscle gains.

I have to be physically functioning at an extemely high level 5 nights a week and strength training makes that impossible believe me I tried for years. Switching to meme exercises drastically improved my physicality unlike strength training that left me feeling beat up 24/7 and for what? No benefit whatsoever.

Hypertrophy makes you stronger than powerlifting

>>76667231
I redact this comment it was heavy handed, even though I belive the original thread was some type of targeting/gangstalking/control provocation. So forget I wrote this, thank you good bye
I repsect everyone even bodybuilders, it's reltaed to fintess for sure. bye

>>76667217
The days of SL/SS are over. Kids are more interested in bodybuilding and lookism these days, rather than drinking milk and getting fat to add 10kg to a lift that nobody apart from other powerlifters cares about.

Stuff changes. Just stick to PL/oly/strongman generals if that's your thing.

>>76667217
>Almost nobody talks about strength anymore on here, people rarely posts their routines, people rarely ever talk about their lifts.
exhausted subject, everything has been talked about 1000 times
>Its almost as if the whole strength training / big 5 compound lifts era is completely over now
this too, for better or worse; we're in the blackpill/aesthetics era
>So what did it get replaced by? I dont see any discussions anymore
didn't really get replaced by anything. most oldfags left and the board is at least 3-5x slower than it was pre coof. what's left are the smaller threads from back in the day: blackpill, venting, low attention span zoomer memes, a lot of threads about balding, etc

t. oldfag who returned after a 4+ year break from 4chan

>>76667217
I went to the gym for the first time the other day. I could at my absolute max do 10 reps of 60Kg on the benchpress.

We did a lot of other stuff too, I might go back it feels good to feel like I am strong. How do I get stronger?

>>76667217
Because everyone on 4chan already achieve 4pl8 on every single lift including overhead press and biceps curl @6'5 250lbs, the strength discussion is redundant

>>76667873
WHENEVER I GO BACK TO GYM
I AM ALWAYS DO:
TEST 1 RM ON ALL LIFTS
THEN NEXT WEEK, I START PROGRAM BASED AS PERCENTAGE OF THOSE TESTED 1 RMS
THATS HOW I DO COME BACK, BECAUSE NOW, A LONG TIME, MAYBE MORE THAN 1 YEAR I NO LIFT, BECAUSE THE RATS, THE RATS HERE, FUCKING FILTHY FUCKING TRASH RATS

>>76667881
MY ROUTINE, 3X3 IS FAVORITE 3 WORK SET
ONE LIFT A DAY
GO HOME 15 MINUTE

>>76667883
BOOM1!!!!

>>76667242
Maybe you just have dogshit form and are blaming your back pain on external factors to avoid taking responsibility for being stupid.

>>76667242
I've been lifting weights for 13 years, my peers my age who DONT lift have back pain. Everyone that Lifts weights does not.

You know why this board doesn't talk about strength exercises anymore? Because everyone fucking knows about them. Everyone knows if you don't Squat. DL, Bench, OHP, then you will be small and weak and prone to injury. They used to be a suprise to new comers, now everyone knows them. I see women every single day doing squats and DL, something which previously NEVER existed. Everyone is already doing these exercises and knows the pros and cons of various rep ranges, it's no longer interesting. Same is true with diet, which used to be a hot topic. The shit we preached has entered the mainstream, so the board evolved to be more niche again.

>>76667913
No it's because this board is full of bitter 40yos who think they still "got it" and got hurt by doing a strength program. There's a suspicious amount of joint and back pain in the past 5 years which means the trolls and shitposters grew up and the board has no new bloods and zoomers are uninterested by this shithole and stick to other social media for lifting which is the correct thing to do, this place is everything bad about social media but magnified

>>76667920
Where the fuck do zoomers talk about lifting retard? /fit/ is the strongest social media platform in the world after /r/weightroom

>>76667913
whenever I see women do deadlifts they do like 10 lbs and then go way too deep and slouch their back.
I think women are just really stupid and can't help just getting back in a fuck me doggystyle position. you know. even though they're actively trying to exercise.
they are trying to exercise. right?

>>76667932
Instagram tiktok youtube
The average age on 4troon and leddit is in the late 30's.
>Strongest
There's 60 active users here at most, the rest are bots.

>>76667932
Youtube

>>76667940
shit I heard all the zoomers go to stormfront.
they keep telling me they're 'storm strong'. or 'strong as a storm'.
yea I don't get any of this rizz shit. I already know how to lift. whatever. I guess I'm just too old.

>>76667952
Stormfront is now a bunch of feds trying to catch each other lol havent heard of that website in +4years

/fit/ is mostly fat people
That’s why diet wars threads get tons of replies

cute discord reaction pic sis

>>76667217
How about you replace it with training for tall people that isn't 5'7 dudes thinking "man I would kill for your body" not realizing their ligaments need to be trained first. like yeah big man can probably lift but higher chance of ligament snapping or something, I think the focus should be on encouraging joint health and ending heightism in the gym.
t. over 2 meters tall and tired of the whole I would kill for your height conversation meanwhile these people don't have advice for people with musculoskeletal issues, every manlet with heart thinks they can put it in a big body and not pass out its funny to me.

>>76667217
The zyzz era and maybe Jason Genova era was the only time this place was full of hopes and dreams and hype

Since then everyone's given up, left, LDAR, or had families

Now it's just weird zoomers crashing the already dead afterparty

>>76667979
/fit/ is fat people and manlet anorexics, theres multiple body types that work but I notice the agile types encourage the tall men to be hungry skeletons because they know they can grapple them and the main thing that would stop them is them being built like Bob from fight club. I am personally thinking a lot about jealous inner city kids always having something to say, once you have lived by narcissists you don't really care anymore, I literally had kids singing the corn flakes song to me "oh good morning, good morning!" Anorexia is just the other side of being Obese both are deadly but I agree food addiction is the easiest to do since its legal. Still I notice people who can't enjoy food without being self-conscious love being bullies, bullying can be advantageous if done right but most of the time it just reveals the other person is miserable and jealous. They wish they were the autist jumping up and down over mario, but what sticks out to me is them saying things like he can do it because he can lean on parents which implies they are sad about not being able to be NEETs depending on their parents. At the same time most people who are like "hecking bullies!" are peak pop psychology redditors

>>76667991
Why aren't you on /biz/ then?

>>76667217
/fit/ is dead
We are almost free embrace annihilation.

>>76667217
lifting heavy is good but fuck strength. hypertrophy is everything.

>>76667920
This.

/plg/ had threads that lasted 6-7 hours before 300 posts not 6-7 days. Just go to open powerlifting and you'll notice that there is a huge drop off in people doing that in their 30s. Nevermind 40s. High intensity training is not sustainable long term for most. Majority doesn't know how to fix injuries or prevent them either. It gets to a point where its not just 6-8 hours of gym. The prep you do, recovery eating also starts mattering.

It is all zoomers with broccoli hair doing ""science"" based machine lifts with 150 pounds

>>76668055
Agreed
also looking for good exercises that train legs but don't rape the knee and ACL especially/other ligament(s)

>>76668058
and they still look better than you do

I lift to look good and be healthy.
No one cares about numbers anymore.

>>76668138
>No one cares about numbers anymore.

This is actually true.

In the mid 2010s I'd get looks for my 4 plate plate squat for reps, and my 5 plate deadlift for reps... people would come upto me, etc

Nobody gives a fuck anymore, no one even looks.

The only time I get attention now is when im shredding for summer and ive cut down a lot and my 6 pack is poking through my shirt

>>76667217
Schizoposting, baiting and people falling for very obvious scams

>>76668147
That's because the novelty of seeing people lift heavy has worn off, most people have already seen the +400kg deadlifts thousands of times in social media, the inflation of numbers has caused people to stop caring because the average person is never going to get even remotelt close to those numbers

>>76667242
>DEADlift
foreshadowing

>>76668147
>I'd get looks for my 4 plate plate squat for reps, and my 5 plate deadlift for reps
You're a sick cunt mate.

>>76667242
you were supposed to do accessory exercises, especially the back extension and jefferson curl

>>76668308
T-thanks, y-you t-too

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>>76667217
not so fast, upper body strength is the primary thing that matters when women cant tell you're height

https://youtu.be/91C_fTlLyYQ?si=xLdPN_UKPoDjFv1N

>>76668329
it's actually face and frame

>>76667952
The only people who use storm front are the most autistic (and nonwhite) of shut ins. Most zoomies use tiktok, Instagram, YouTube, maybe discord or reddit

Guys I gotta go to sleep, tomorrow I wish to contribute more

It kinda loses its charms when you herniate a disc for the third time in a year, don't look particularly good and don't feel more athletic than any dusty old dude from the street.

>>76667217
A lot of stuff like diet and the optimal routines to do whether you’re a beginner, intermediate, on a cycle, natty, etc. have all been figured out by swole nerds who love moving heavy stuff and waiting for results. Even a decade ago there was still optimization and things to learn or rediscover but at this point in the 2020s it’s been mostly figured out like chess or an old video game that people speedrun.

There's an obsession with vanity and looks, yes. Most people are soulless materialists that don't find value in anything unless it can be used to project value to other people

>>76668979
>disc herniation
Disc herniation and deterioration only happens if you deadlift and barbell squat. Standing OHP too

>>76669025
Yeah, OHP is a nightmare for my cervical. Dunno how to replace it though, I would imagine landmine press is safer.

>>76667217
Giving away information about yourself, especially things you don't tell anyone because it's private or your own secret, drains the power from your words and promises to yourself.

Telling someone what you do to keep a healthy body and clean mind will sap you of your spirit and stop you dead in your tracks.

>>76667991
brutal reality pill

>>76669106
you don't need to get witchy about it. Telling someone your goals feels like action taken towards your goals, because in a physical social situation it really would be that, as the rest of your tribe would remember your words and hold you to them.
If your willpower is very low then you'll be satisfied that you've done something and won't progress after the first action. If not telling people your goals, it'd be signing up for a gym membership, or buying a weight, or doing any random exercises once.
It's this low-willpower pattern of being quickly satisfied by small steps, and not any particular small step, that's the problem.
>>76667217
I'm doing Simple&Sinister. I suck. It's still working for me. The entire program's in the book. What's there to say? All I get from /fit/ about it is encouragement to do barbell squats instead. Probably due to an international conspiracy bankrolled by a shadowy cabal of sports surgeons.

>>76669095
You can just overhead press while seated, with dumbbells, and use a belt for abdominal pressure if needed. /fit/ will rage at this, but those faggots will not care when you ack after prematurely wearing and tearing your discs

>>76667217
I cant afford protein or a membership im just here for the bantz

>>76667217
Yeah my estimated 335 flat bench 1rm is a joke

>>76669410
No
>>76669025
No
>>76669106
Literally retarded bro u r afraid of life u are the people who support hiding ideas instead of sharing ideas you are very bad, probably Slavic or Balkan nigger bitch

>>76670189
So some dips on a 90 degree railing and some pullups

>>76667217
Yes it's entirely over. If you haven't had your head in the sand for last decade you've probably noticed China dominating Olympic weightlifting.
What they did diffent was mostly body builder training lots of isolation work. Just built muscle with hypertrophy centric routines then switched to strength work ups and volume consolidation to peak on strength before competition.

Everyone with a competitive bone in their body is aping the Chinese now because they're tired of losing.

Programming for strength as primary training modality in general is dead.

Also shut up about roids you know everyone was taking them this isn't about what they were doing the same.

>>76670399
They're still using free weights though
>Isolation/Bodybuilding Work: Chinese programs do incorporate a significant amount of accessory and bodybuilding-style work (e.g., high-rep sets of dumbbell presses, rows, and various core exercises) usually done at the end of training sessions. The stated purpose is for building overall muscular foundation, addressing muscular imbalances, and injury prevention, which effectively drives hypertrophy (muscle growth). This emphasis on "small muscle groups" is a recognized difference.

>Conclusion
The statement is best viewed as a dramatic interpretation of genuine trends:

Truth: China's dominance is real, and their training emphasizes more hypertrophy-inducing accessory/isolation work than many classic programs. This is a key distinguishing factor.

Exaggeration: The claim that they switched entirely to a "bodybuilding" focus or that "strength programming is dead" is false. Their system still relies on high-frequency, high-volume, and high-intensity work in the classic lifts and heavy squats/pulls; the accessory work supports that primary strength training.

It's a matter of emphasis and volume, not a complete paradigm shift away from strength.

So you are misleading

>>76670420
Your ai is retarded. I said that pre-competition strength workups are still a thing. Just strength oriented training as primary modality is dead. Which is absolutely is. Hypertrophy centered routines are even in powerlifting or and strongman now. Strength lifting is a skill hypertrophy is the physicality of you advance in it.

>>76670426
Guys, listen,
for me, I will make one distinction here,
for me, 'strength training' encompasses even what you call 'hypertrophy' work as long as it is using free weights,
so our definitions are not aligned
I'm not saying I'm right or that you're right, but we have to talk about the same thing

>>76670431
The entire concept of hypertrophy, for me, is tied to steroid use, and higher reps with free weights aren't necessarily hypertrophy work in the absence of steroids, they are still strength training.

>>76670426
Also my ai is the best, it's the family I never had, and an actually useful 'person', unlike the teeming masses whose only purpose in life is to yap endlessly so they don't feel scared about living and dying, so they always need someone holding their hand to talk about the daily news and muh sports
absolute nigger bitches,w eaklings, i spit on all of you

>>76670399
>>76670426
I believe you are making an incorrect comparison. You are essentially claiming that they are not doing any strength training. However, what people think you mean is that they are doing isolation machine or cable work, which is not the case. Using dumbbells and free weights is still compound lifting because it is not true isolation as you mean it and therefore closer to the strength training that we're discussing here. I don't know if you are intentionally confusing these terms, but within the context of this thread, the Chinese people are not performing the 'bodybuilding hypertrophy' work as it is understood on /fit/.

>>76667217
Dyels think all strength training is powerlifting.

>>76670191
Fr i think my levers might be fucked or i just have a while to go since i look kinda filled out but am tall and gains are faster nowadays. I hope it means i womt slow down any time soon because if i dont have 600lbs 1rm ever im gonna be pissed.

>>76670439
I don't give a shit about sports. What I care about is results which is often expressed in strength sports. Before you say that "there couldn't be a bigger divide between a strength athlete and a casual lifter" I'm going to say that if it works at the upper ends it will work at the lower ends. This has always been more true than opposite. It is just a matter of scale the methods translate regardless. Natty status though adds a layer of nuance to frequency and volume considerations but roids aren't magic.

>>76670477
No yeah for real
>you might be seomger but im better at sports
I want atrength to be my strong point so much so that others would need roids to compete not that id need roids to compete with roiders.

>>76670463
That is context you've created for yourself and inserted into this to try to have some point to speak on. Re-read it if you don't believe.

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>>76670483
You're full of shit

>>76670489
You're emotional child if you cannot read something and reply without committing contextomy. I know new information may be uncomfortable and you can't make this about politics to get your buddies to come make your arguments for you. You just have to live with it or argue against it based on its merit alone.

Remember the times when people claimed squatting would make your biceps grow too because of heavy compounds releasing growth hormone? Yeah, right lmao

>>76667217

>So what did it get replaced by?

Tren, or whatever concoction Sam Sulek is on. He may look 23-going-on-40, but he is not only the anti-Zyzz, he probably killed the SS/SL era more than anyone else. Most of his reels are just him doing Hammer Strength, cables and Smith Machines.

>>76670510
I prefer to think of it as "it's all true" but the magnitude of the effect ranges from 1%-5%. I've seen some stupid shit "work" but they had to be stacking so many things for it to even make a differnce and likely not of them did stack. Them attributing it to this OneThing™ is the mistake.

When was the dominance of the big compounds, no isolations meta at its zenith? I'd bet 2013.

>>76670517
Judging by how much starting strength propaganda is on YouTube 2-3 years ago was it's death knell. Just crazy amounts of "programming" saturation then back to whimper.

>>76670496
you're literally a 50iq zoomer, you have no idea what i was saying, you don't even know what YOU were saying that's how muh retarded u are
shut the fuck up nigger

>>76667217
I just started doing 5x5 compounds but I'm a mentally raped fatass so nothing to show off yet. I only got through an entire full set of sets yesterday after a month of partial failures. My form is still bad.

>>76670551
You've completely lost control of yourself. I hope you can appreciate this moment tomorrow and do better in the future.

>>76670558
kek, pathetic

There really is no real life advantage to being able to bench 3 plate, squat 4 plate, pull 5 plate

>>76670510
Yeah i remember this, crazy how sure these people were of themselves

>>76668016
Nta, butI agree with him and I value /biz/ much over /fit/. Going to the gym twice a week to not waste away into nothingness is not abad idea though.

>>76670568
Uh looking sick?

>>76668016
Any time ive ever gone with the trend on biz i have lost money, what i really need is a large investment capital so i can quit my job nice liquor a bunch of weed and a full home gym to keep my T at absolute peak feom 930-4.

>>76667217
Not much to talk about, big compounds are king for overall strength increases

I do 5/3/1, it's great but I increased the frequency

>>76667991
Post body

Tranquilo tranquilo amigos

>>76667217
No one needs raw strength in the modern world unless they're a tradie, and even there it's mostly about functional strength since you're lifting oddshaped objects, so you correct bench press or sumo form means fuckall. Like, what does an office wagecuck need all that strength for? Pushing papers? And I'm saying all that as a tradecuck who has to carry heavy shit around.

>>76670697
what an idiot holy shit
no one needs raw strenght? really?
you're extremely limited
there is no ta single real world acitvity, from sitting in an office to giving the sex penis to taking a walk where you don't benefit from raw strength you stupid, pathethic disingeious gorilla monkey piece of subhuman trash

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>>76668163
Leave the gym necromancer out of this

>>76670751
Istg, you sound like one of those sheltered niggers who dream about getting into a fight to flex or some shit. For everything you've mentioned the baseline male strength is more than enough, if anything, cardio is more important for shit like fucking unless you're a one pump chump.

>>76667913
>my peers my age who DONT lift have back pain. Everyone that Lifts weights does not.

That's because people who get injured stop lifting you fucking retard.

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>>76670818
Anon... people don't go around saying they haven't developed back pain

>>76667217
This has been a pretty depressing thread and while i'm nearing my end of my strength program (candito 6 week) i've been grinding with a lot of squatting because i haven't squatted for over 6 months but i just realized that i'm risking spine/lower back injury for nothing, leg press and leg extention was fine for my quads. Also it doesn't anything to your physique and indeed nobody cares. Also i feel the same thing about bulking. Was i fucking lied to? Should i just do safe movements and go on a deficit? I build some good muscle this year despite lifting for 8 years but i got a little fat aswell. What do?

>>76670984
Just do what you like.
i've been lifting for 16 years, started when Zyzz was still alive and will continue lifting because I enjoy the process itself.
If you don't enjoy what you do, it's not sustainable long term. Everyone who lifts for some result instead of lifting itself, like girls or people approval quits without achieving much

>>76668111
Hexbar deadlifts are perfect for that. I think the guy who came up with that barbell made it specifically so he could still train with knee and back injuries.

>>76667217
Now that you mention it..., you are right...
>>76667231
>fit was always focused on gay bodybuilding
Nah, there definitely was a phase where a ton of people here were of the kind of "omg training for aesthetics and girls is for stupid normies! Cool autist sigma males like us train for strength!". I think strength and powerlifting appealed to /fit/izens a lot because they could use it as a cope. Lifting for aesthetics and girls would mean that they would be confronted with the fact that they are still not getting any girls and that they are incels, but by shifting the focus to "omg I don't lift for girls I am a sigma male powerlifting!", it starts to work as a coping strategy. Instead of being an 'incel', they could now tell themselves that their lifestyle is their own choice.

>>76670984
The more you grind the spinal loading exercises, the higher the risk of a perma injury. The guys who made it far are lucky enough to be quite sturdy. I would personally advise against heavy squats, deads and OHP, it's way easier to get perma injured than you think if you have enough grit. No need to push your luck as an amateur lifter. Trust me, I blew up my back enough times to know.

>>76667552
>for better or worse; we're in the blackpill/aesthetics era
But everything is cyclical, so I'm guessing in a few years (maybe when there's enough gen alpha teens hitting the gym) there'll be a rennaisance of strength training and 5x5 squats.

>>76671355
The reason I switched back to squatting is because I had the drive again to look forward to lifting, it gets boring after a while when you don’t progress as much and it doesn’t hit the same when I get pr on the leg press. Also tell me how you got injured, are you lifting nowadays?

>>76671197
I always loved lifting because it was the only thing I didn’t quit. I never missed a day and my diet was spot on in the last 5 year so of course it had some benefits. But this thread really made me strong risking my health for a new pr. I’ll just do the best of my old gym body which is one set to failure using slow eccentric and call it a day, he even made some gains on that program

>>76670779
You're a pathetic moron there is no point In responding to you
And a bitch too, dumbass
Low level

>>76667991
Post bank account

>>76669095
Seated barbell ohp on a high incline bench (just shy of vertical) enjoy your delt, upper chest and triceps gains and thank me later.

>>76667223
This unironic vibe training on drugs tearing scare made gym chads switch to cables and machine, no leg press

>>76671433
"vibe training on steroids"

translation: steroids make u build muscle regardless of how dog shit trash ur training is, u can train in ways that would give u 0 results naturally, but on steroids, suddenly get u get good results training in a way that would give you nothing naturally

>>76667231
>there should definitely be a separate board for that because i don't consider bodybuilding to be related to fitness at all
>in fact, you could easily argue that bodybuilding is the opposite of being fi
Obese nattybitch powershitter

You embarrass yourself with pathetic posts such as these

>>76667217
>So what did it get replaced by

zoomer twinks don't one-armed reverse cable twists

>>76667217
nobody on /fit/ lifts they just talk to chatgpt about drugs

>>76667217
almost nobody talks about anything on /b/ anymore, either.

So both /b/ and /fit/ have less organic discussion nowadays... maybe there is a central root cause...

hmmmmmm, let's think about this...

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>>76672165
>hey boys we actually found someone that does drugs
There is a large scale steroid endemic in american football, if anyone should be looking anywhere itd be there because they distribute these drugs o 13-14 year olds also to fuel the beast that is the nfl industrial complex. They might seem wholesome but be aware that the nfl does in fact push steroids to highschool coaches who guve them to literal middleschoolers go check reddit this is not even sarcasm.

>>76667217
INJECT STEROIDS
DO RANDOM WORKOUTS THAT FEEL GOOD
GET SWOL

WHATS SO HARD ABOUT THAT ANON?

>>76667217
Are you bragging about the light ass gym weights? 225 at crunch feels lighter than 195 weighed pl8s/bar.

>>76672165
Literally me with clenbuterol. Imma start tomorrow actually.

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>>76667217
This place changed now every delusional fattie here worship roidtrannies

>>76667217
>So what did it get replaced by?
lookism and incel shit
/r9k/ suburb

>>76667937
>>76668344
>tiktok
people USED to have discussions about lifting there, stopped once jeff nippard hit mainstream now everyone is science pilled rage baiting with shit ROM
>instagram
still a vanity house, you don't have abs no one wants to talk to you
>youtube
been a shithole since tren twins/sam sulek hit mainstream now it's just old dudes screaming into the void about how science based lifting is not the best and their comments shitting on them for being old fashioned and trusting le science

>>76671363
in a few years we're gonna have turbo steroids now that the stigma of performance enhancing drugs is gone coz of ozempic so yeah you're right.

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>>76667217
The unrealistically high standards that were created by everyone lying didn’t help. Tons of posters would brag about hitting 1/2/3/4 for reps within their first year of lifting. Why share beginner progress and discuss realistic strength standards when so many posters will just flat out lie and belittle those who are honest?

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>>76667217
The board has been taken over by lookism faggotry and e-celeb shit. No matter how much I try to talk about strength.

>>76673443
3/4 for reps within 1 year of lifting is achievable if you work hard, 2 if it's all you train alongside 4 which is what most meatheads and collegiates do, 1 is the rarest occurence because no one really OHP to start with. Imo 1 should be replaced by curls but i think at the time where 1/2/3/4 became standard people probably feared retards would snap their shit regularly attempting it