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Whats real strength, doing weird moves or picking shit up? Gay and retarded reddit dichotomy

>>76672527
Because you cant take shortcuts as easily or insert your grifts as easily.
How do you make calisthenics and zerchers and farmer carries "science based" or or create 100000 videos about it every day (athlean x wink wink) or invent your own diet to sell supplements?
Fitness is repetitive but you can easily milk it out for outrage, you cant do that with CERTAIN aspects though

>>76672536
> Because you cant take shortcuts as easily or insert your grifts as easily.
this, it is incompatible with the roidtranny social media hustle

>>76672527
What is "functional strength"? All strength has a function

>>76672559
What's the function of a triceps pushdown

>>76672560
To strengthen the tricep

>>76672559
Functional strength is the ability to perform everyday movements and tasks efficiently, using multiple muscle groups in a coordinated way. It focuses on practical, real-world activities like lifting, pushing, pulling, or carrying, emphasizing mobility, stability, and balance over isolated muscle growth.

>>76672571
And what movent in lifting isn't functional?

>>76672527
>Copestenics

>>76672559
Its a meme by people who work manual labor jobs and think they are stronger than somebody who actually trains in a gym.

>>76672585
Skullcrushers

>>76672589
Weight lifting movements are often considered less functional than calisthenics because they typically isolate specific muscle groups and involve fixed, controlled motions (e.g., bicep curls or leg presses), which may not mimic real-world activities. Calisthenics, using bodyweight exercises like push-ups or squats, engage multiple muscle groups simultaneously, promoting coordination, balance, and movements that more closely resemble daily tasks or natural human motion.

>>76672590
How? You're activating and strengthening the tricep that is extremely beneficial for pushing

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>>76672527
Because the barrier to entry is extremely low for the basic exercises, then it takes a huge spike upwards for the advanced (actually cool) movements.

>>76672597
In what scenario do you need to push something in a circular motion upwards while sitting or laying down ?

>>76672596
You know compound movements exist in weight lifting?

>>76672604
In what scenario do you do a burpee or a dragon flag or even a leg raise? Not doing a specific movement at work doesn't mean it isn't beneficial for the movements you participate in ever day of your life

>>76672612
I never said any of these were useful either, you're arguing these hypotheticals with the wrong person.

>>76672621
It's not a hypothetical. To activate and strengthen a muscle you go through movements that you normally don't do. Whether it's calisthenics or weightlifting you're ultimately stretching and contracting in optimal ways to strengthen whatever muscle you want. A skull crusher is as functional as a squat

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>>76672626
You wont strengthen a position if you dont train said position. Unless you're a rural chinese rice farming peasant you will spend 0 seconds of your life in a position with a bar over your shoulders behind your neck. Whatever the skullcrusher equivalent is. Even in powerlifting this is a general rule.

I don't respect people who can't do at least 10 chinups

>>76672527
Because for anything actually requiring "functional strength" we have machines. Same reason nobody cares about martial arts or other physical self defense techniques because we have guns and knives

>>76672527
Because the real impressive feats of strength for calisthenics don't look impressive at all, with some exceptions (handstand push ups as an example). Planche takes some real strength and control but it just doesn't look as cool as benching 2pl8s. It's just the truth.

>>76672527
calisthenics is not functional strength

>>76672527
most of the calisthenics shit that looks impressive are more skill than strength. To build real strength in calisthenics you have to do them weighted but if you're a puritan retard it won't be calisthenics anymore

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>>76672866
so this is more skill than strength?

>>76672596

>Squats
You can do those weighted, Baka
>But muh superior calisthenics pistol squats
Which is more "real world" applicable? Lifting a weight on your back such as a box, child or bag? Or pistol squats? Obvious the first, because you have no reason in "real life" to ever to do a task that needs leg strength one-legged.

>>76672559
Functional strength is a meme.
It’s called skill

>>76672878
this one is clearly a lot of strength and it is obvious he trains with weights or he would not have all this muscle and strength

>>76672527
A lot of people are memed into starting off their fitness journey with calisthenics when they can't even do a pullup or, if they're a woman, a proper pushup, so they can't do anything and give up. They'd be better off starting with light weights then switching to callisthenics

>>76672866
This. Front lever doesn't even look like it should be hard, and most people assume it's not lmao

>>76672914
>so they can't do anything
https://www.hybridcalisthenics.com/pushups
there are tons of regressions for calisthenics. I went from only ever walking a bit to doing calisthenics when I still had 50 more pounds of fat on me, and it went fine. It's just a lot less convenient than some free weights, and it feels more awkward to do at a proper gym. Great if you've got a convenient outdoor gym that's made for it with steel gymnastics rings and everything.

>>76672527
Because for most men in the "fitness community", exercise is performative. They want to be seen exercising and they want other people to see the results of their exercise. Marketing also plays a huge role in what types of exercise is promoted.

A guy doing calisthenics in his home isn't showing off at the gym and he isn't buying equipment or paying for memberships, so it doesn't get promoted.

>NOOOO YOUR 4 PL8 BENCH ISNT REAL STRENGTH
>YOURE ONLY STRONG IF YOU CAN DO A ONE LEGGED REVERSE WONGLE TONGLE

>>76672585
Just the fact lifters can't do pull ups and shit

calisthenicsfags are cringe sometimes but weighted calistehnics is cool

>>76673057
You can't even do a regular wongle tongle, faggot.

>>76672527
The only calisthenics I respect is that stay flexy guy that pops up on my feed every now and then

>>76673134
Doesn't his wife fuck black men openly

>>76673074
That's simply not true

>>76673139
how is that relevant?

>>76673143
Just thought that would raise your respect for him more

This reminded me of this funny situation I saw at the gym. There's like a small group of these circus performers that go to the gym every day and do handstands and other gay shit. One day one of the circus performers got into an argument with this stronger big guy, and he just grabbed him by his waistband and spun him around like you'd play with your daughter. Humiliation ritual for monkey trick performers.

>>76672527
because calisthenics can be done with no equipment or gym membership and you're all faggot npc consumers

>>76672878
Do you think he built the strength to do iron cross, by doing iron cross? Retard alert! Lmao

>>76672527
Pull ups man.
You can spam it if you are a dyel.
You can’t do it if you are fat.
Chest to the bar, no faggot shit that “if my chin pass the bar it counts”
It is hard when you are normal.
But if you go for the struggle and be a man and go for Weighted pull ups then you will filter dyels, fats and Weak faggots.

>>76672585
not OP but I'll explain better. functional strength on a practical application is moving things that usually for the most part have odd geometry.
Picking up dumbbells and barbells is not a realistic approach to something like picking up a heavy box, a giant flower pot, decorative stones, sand bags, or tree limbs.. etc. Most things moved around outside a gym do not have handles and tend to be full body movements upon moving them. Weight is not uniform either so you might be brute forcing or balancing something to move it.

>>76673277
>functional strength on a practical application is moving things that usually for the most part have odd geometry.
but that has nothing to do with strength, it's more about knowing how to use your leverages

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>>76673277
oh so strongman is the most functional, that sounds about right
>worlds strongest man

>>76672527
Calisthenics are to lifting what masturbation is to sex

both sides have their advantages
stop living in your ego

>>76672527
They're extremely popular. Both of those things have large, dedicated online and IRL followings.

>>76672536
All calisthenics is fake natty grifting. Other than that Asian femboy guy.

>>76672527
Because a pushup is a maybe-60-percent-of-your-body-weight bench. Calisthenics is appropriate for people who need to move the weight of their body efficiently, not for strength. No one needs to do pic related. No one who does real work with their body looks like that, except the occasional roofer (when they're not Mexican).

As far as I’m concerned “functional” strength is just practicing a greater variety of movements. Strength is strength but if someone has never done a particular movement before they might not be able to do it very well in a “practical” setting, so I guess it’s valid in that sense. That being said, “functional” strength shills are largely LARPing because (just like gym goers who train at the gym for the purpose of more training at the gym) the function of their movements applies 99.99% of the time to situations that they intentionally plan out and put themselves into, i.e. calisthenics training, rock climbing, gymnastics, whatever. I somehow doubt I’m ever going to end up in a situation where I’m being chased by a panther through the jungle and I need to swing from vine to vine and I won’t be able to because I spent my training hours weightlifting instead of doing a ropes course.

>>76672527
because the progression for regular lifting is more satisfying. you go to the gym with your noodle arms and lift the empty barbell, and next week you put another 2.5kg on it, and the same the week after and so on.
for calisthenics, you will spend a lot of time doing the same shit and not really feeling like you are progressing at all before you can do the things shown in your picture

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>>76672567
kek

Lifting or calisthenics isn't very functional. Lift a sandbag if you want functional training.

>>76673134
Biggest bugman cuck soi faggot I have ever fucking seen holy shit. Outrageous amounts of faggotry. Literally want to smash his head in with a rock until it is paste.

>>76672527
I don't watch ANY animated fitness youtuber. If they can't back it up with their body, it's just bullshit.

>>76672536
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>>76674792
Mostly these. You don't have to learn or practice most of the exercises you see in a normal gym. They are skills most people can do day one. Most good calistenics are exercises are too hard for many people to learn on their own or by only watching videos. You will have to go to a crossfit gym or yoga class to see a lot of adults actually learning new movements. Almost everything you see people doing in a gym takes less than two weeks to learn how to do. Also, there is not a lot of exercise science published about skills you see in gymnastics. Its hard to do a study on calistenics skills when a lot of the population can't do them to begin with.

If it had any carryover to sports athletes would be doing it. The amount of money and data in sports is insane.

>>76673217
You are brown.

>>76672638
I can but my arms are still skinny and disgusting.

>>76672585
Any isolation.

I do them because I am too nervous to go to the gym and I don't have room at home for a home gym because I live with my hoarder parents so I use a pullup bar for my doorframe. I'm thinking of getting a 25 lb plate for situps and squats but i don't know they are all expensive. I don't know a good alternative. For squats I can just use a couple gallon water jugs but I don't know what I could use for 20lbs of weight to hug to my chest during crunches for abs.

>>76674730
>I somehow doubt I’m ever going to end up in a situation where I’m being chased by a panther through the jungle and I need to swing from vine to vine
need to start tarzanmaxxing immediately

>>76672527
many reasons. just think for a second.
>women?
pretty much instantly filtered
>ogre X beats ogre Y deadlift WR by 2 kgs and bizillion of people are watching
im sure people gonna watch and hype over somebody holding a planche for 21 seconds instead of 20
>barbells, paltes, straps,wraps, chastity cages etc etc.
good luck making bank on selling rings, parallets, and belts at best
>can see progress clearly, its easily measurable, can bloat up progess to certain point
BW exercises are likely to plummet if u gain too much weight too fast, its hard to track progress, progressions are not obvious

just think about it from a /biz/ perspective theres probabl 10 times more than what i listed. theres WAY more ways to make money on people doing standard gym exercises.

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>>76672527
It is harder to build muscle and engage hypertrophy, so it isn't as popular. You also don't go to a gym and engage in fun/awkward/weird gym culture, and you don't actively see numbers on a bar go up as you get stronger.
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>>76673277
It's a retarded meme phrase, like 'getting lean' used by dyels who haven't been to a gym yet.
Lifting heavy objects does definitely help you lift things in the real world far more easily than if you didn't, or if you just did bodyweight calisthenics.
>t.calisthenics for 7 years and then weighted calisthenics for 5 years:
still look like shit but I am WAY stronger since adding extra and am generally stronger than my colleagues.

>>76675395
Get rings instead of 25lbs plates. It's probably cheaper for you and way better,
Might be a problem in your doorframe to do em though.

>>76675477
yeah that's my problem. I tried to towel hang for forearms and it wasn't very successful either.
I thought about wrapping a brick in a towel in or something, I do have a fair number of bricks. I just need something denser than water.

Weighted calisthenics is the ultimate mode.

>>76675395
Buy concrete item.

>>76672527
There are two types of calisthenic fags, ones who are always injured and ones who cope with doing 10 pull-ups a day.

>>76675502
Just buy the rings and go outside, nobody cares bro.
You could still do basic ring holds with rings. Fully lock out your elbows and you'll see how hard it is, will get stronger overtime, don't bother doing them more than once a week for the first few months.
I still think they are your best ved, ab roller is a meme if you are considering it. It's almost guaranteed you can't do it with proper form.

>>76675636
>ab roller is a meme
yeah it looks like one.
okay i will try the rings.
thank you

>>76672527
Oh no, "fake strength".
Buncha slackjawed faggots those calisthenics guys.

>>76673057
>ONE LEGGED REVERSE WONGLE TONGLE
post your wongle tongle

>>76675622
I am neither though.
>>76675395
I am this guy >>76675456 and kinda same, as I have never needed to go to a gym, don't need to wait to use equipment or 'work in', get secretly filmed for my idle autism and I can juggle playing games, cooking and watching tv between sets.
>>76675636
People do care, I people watch and judge all the time, and I am not the only one doing that. But fuck those people, you just have to be arrogant or self-assured enough to overcome it.

>>76672527
I prefer having big muscles over ruined shoulders and hands.
Thank you.

>>76672527
Doing a planche isn't "functional strength", its a circus trick for small guys to feel better about being small.
Functional strength is using strength in a real-world non-lifting application. Hence, why pressing, deadlifting, and squatting are the most functional of basic movements, only bettered in real-world application by some strongman movements like farmer's carries that actually apply to you moving shit every day of your life.
It annoys me when people thing funny little tricks are "functional", as if you'll ever be trying to press your entire body off the ground and balance for any purpose other than to impress women or win a bet with someone. Do shit that you'll have carry over in the real world when not lifting and THEN you're lifting functionally.

>>76673057
people crying about wongle tongle are the ones that can't do a single plain wongle tongle without the tongle tangle

calisthenics are gay and for twinks, women, and prisoners

>>76672527
i watched a few of this guys videos. like one here, few months go by and i get suggested another etc.

from the small sample size i have you only need to watch a handful. if he has two videos about burpees and push-ups. they are the same thing just rephrased .

>>76672527
"functional strenght" is silly unless the "function" you are talking about specified; there are many "functions" of strength (as well as agility, flexibility, ...) that can overlap, but even be at odds with each other. I myself do high-rep calisthenics because the functions of being reasonably strong, have reasonable endurance, and being flexible are appealing to my lifestyle. I also enjoy working out in a park or at home, as opposed to a gym. it is a tradeoff, as I exchange e.g. the kind of strength that weighted calisthenics, or powerlifting, or whatever heavy weighted low repetition exercise could give you.

in terms of popularity, I think calisthenics is actually reasonably popular. it will always be less popular than lifting weights because of barriers in flexibility / mobility, the fact that being overweight is a huge handicap, and that progress is less linear, requiring not just more strength, but learning a completely new exercise

>>76672527
The barrier of entry is too high to be honest
You need to have at least 50 cocks inside your ass blasting loads bareback before you reach the level of faggotry that calisthenics requires. It is simply impractical for a vast majority of the population

>>76672682
An adult sized man doing a proper planche is more impressive than a 2plmao bench because it is more difficult

>>76673143
Americans.

>>76673188
Checked, thank you for the mental image

>>76673277
With your superior strength gained through lifting things with odd geometry you should definitely be able to demonstrate your herculean strength with simple, point loading objects like barbells. Which is incidentally something we never really see from the proponents of calisthenics

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>>76672559
Because the fitness community intends to appeal to ideas of Vulgar Masculinity (lower barrier to entry.) It has products to sell whereas Calisthenics has nothing (or less) to sell due to the nature of bodyweight.

>>76672527
Why do they post gymnast moves instead of something cool like rock climbing?

>>76676039
Right one looks so gay. I'm sure there are better examples than those.

>>76676039
>lifting heavy things has a lower barrier to entry

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>>76672567
This is fucking hilarious.
>>76674811
This is informative. I didn't even think of this.

>>76675976
case in point
>>76676039

>>76676055
>Right looks le gay
And yet it is Female Gaze, while Vulgar Masculine men come out empty handed (or fall down the gay pipeline.) The gatekeeping is the idea that the Noble Masculine is gay.

>>76672527
Because functional strength is retarded and calisthenics movements are just cool trick without much application. All strength is functional

>>76672527
Half the results double the risks

Functional strenght is a meme

>>76672638
I don't respect people who can't pull lmao4pl8

>>76673366
Kekt & chekt

>>76672527
Tell me a time when you need to functionally do this for real life. I can name plenty of times i needed to pick things up, and zero times i needed to balance my entire body on my finger tips

>>76676039
>Right, handsome men
>Left, ugly men
>Right is better because its le noblue or whatever.
Both images are extremely gay by the way.

>>76676059
Anecdotally I've seen way, *way* more examples of disgusting pink flabby guys hoisting very heavy barbells in extremely limited ranges of motion (while strapped-up with various faggy belts and wraps) than I have of actually fit-looking guys doing athletic stuff like front levers or pistol squats. It's clear that the barrier for entry for weight training is much, much lower. If doing one-armed pull-ups was even close to easy, you'd see far more examples of people showing it off.

Weighted calisthenics is king.

>>76676039
If you wouldnt choose the left over the right you are in the wrong board. Go to /fa/ or /lgbt/

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>>76675707
>me doing weighted one armed wimbo wambo on rings
well? what now?

>>76676039
Is that the new Harry Potter remake in the bottom right?

>>76673074
i have a 800lb deadlift and can do 30 chin ups at 250lb also have a +200lb chin up and +275lb dip without even training this

>>76676039
going left all day

>>76676084
if one day women asked you you would even take a BBC in your gynocentric ass because it's "female gaze". Have a modicum of self respect and masculine identity detatched from women

Because these divisions only exist in terminally online hindu communities like 4chan or in the perpetually 12 year old minds of people who post like >>76676039 unironically.

That said past dyel phase calisthenics is meh for hypertrophy.

>>76677902
You're doing bullshit bodybuilding chins and dips, not athletic ones.

>>76677927
bodybuilders don't do 1 rep maxes retard, cope

>>76677941
Roidtranny seething he can't do a single real dip

>>76678023
what's a real dip? Most "weighted" calisthenics fags barely even break parallel

>>76672560
>What's the function of a triceps pushdown
facerape and doggy style

Weighted calisthenics.

Any good calisthenics programs? I'm at 10x45 on both weighted pullups and dips

>>76672527
The majority of the functional fitness community is involved in sports which are lower body dominated. Not just european football which obviously uses their feet, but basketball, track and field, american football, etc. all focus heavily on lower body strength and explosiveness. There's a couple of calisthenics movements in a lot of athletes routines like nordic curls and such, but for the most part, calisthenics does not have better solutions for things like power cleans. Other sports involved with more endurance like rooning likewise do not gain much from calisthenics. Even in heavily upper body focused things like climbing sports you do not see the athletes train many typical calisthenics movements.Then you start to question what function calisthenics are really achieving.

>>76672527
because fatties can't do a single pullup, that's all

>>76678959
Yes, my program is best. But it's not public yet so I can't tell you anything.

>>76678990
You can do weighted calisthenics but suplement it with some extra exercises like power cleans and dumbbells.

>>76674811
That's a posterior chain movement

Strength is strength, one form of training isn’t more real than another

Bodybuilding would be very beneficial & safe if people weren't such edge lords regarding weights.
Calisthenics is way more hard but it is also more satisfying. If somebody's older and thinking about entering calisthenics I would progress pretty slowly.
Also "Andrea Larosa" stated on FitnessFAQs a certain threshold of dips, pullups, pushups ( roughly 30 / 20 / 60 ) one should be able to do before even thinking of "doing Calisthenics".

>>76672527
>Why aren't calisthenics and "functional strength" more popular in the fitness community?
There's nothing to sell. What do you need? A floor? A pull up bar? That's it.

>>76673248
Dunno how it's done in the US, but yeah, real life gymnasts usually don't use progressions, they train the "trick" they want until they can do it.

>>76676059
>>lifting heavy things has a lower barrier to entry
Absolutely.

>>76680965
>Also "Andrea Larosa" stated on FitnessFAQs a certain threshold of dips, pullups, pushups ( roughly 30 / 20 / 60 ) one should be able to do before even thinking of "doing Calisthenics".
Nah. That's just "strength base" bullshit from post 00s lifters.

>>76681319
No it does not. Anyone can and does do push ups, sit ups, etc. It takes much more effort to go to the gym.

>>76681380
Lol.

>>76672682
>it just doesn't look as cool as benching 2pl8s
To me it does

yes

>>76677815
fucking hell

ook

>>76677815
How much do you press

ok