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What are the dead give away that someone is a juicer ?
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>>76674855
They show signs of lurking more before posting stupid shit.
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>>76674855
If they're bigger than you.
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acne, like a unnatural amount
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Delta
Traps
Overly red skin
If gay
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>>76674932
>delta
Rear delts are the give-away for most. 3d delts themselves do not give it away unless they are absurdly large delts. Properly trained delts will be 3d. They should just have certain proportions and roiders deviate from these proportions.
>Traps
Usually underveloped in natties because they're not using enough weight for shrugs and often don't do rack pulls or other heavy motions for traps. Gotta go heavy to grow traps.
>>76674922
>a unnatural
An unnatural.
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>>76674855
>has a "fitness" youtube channel
>makes money out of it
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>>76674855
If they look like they lift and like they have a pump at all times they're probably on roids. Also, red skin in the upper chest area.
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>>76674855
check name :
-jeff (100% roid)
-mike (100% roid)

all i got sir, good luck
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>>76674922
Does having acne imply higher androgen levels if you're natty?
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>>76674855
they look like a faggot
not clothes or grooming, body shape; weird and gross. Bad.

Smells bad
insecure
cant handle jokes
irritable
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>>76674855
Posting on social media
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>>76674855

Shoulders, traps and neck. Add to that a permanent pump - water retention and more red blood cells. Acne, aggression, etc.
BUT it depends on the person - some people do roids and just end up outstanding looking when others literally mutate into train wrecks.

It also strongly depends on gear quality - only the best will do.
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>>76675137
not necessarily, no
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>>76674855
they're gay
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They look better than you
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shit lifts but still jacked is the 100% dead give away

no natural gets jacked with shit lifts
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>>76675234
Apart from manlets
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Roidtranny here
DEAD GIVEAWAY:
>Insane fluctuations in bloat and water retention, if you see a guy look normal one day and then his jawline disappears the next he's probably just started a cycle. You can also guarantee he's retarded because water retention is almost always caused by poor e2 management
Very likely:
>High amounts of acne. I had a lot of acne even when I was natural. Ironically, mine only got better when I hopped on and started taking accutane so as to not become a giant walking back pimple
>3D delts especially rear delts
>Huge traps
>Disproportionately large upper chest
Any one of the above three could honestly be genetics too. But all 3 yeah they're probably juiced
Maybe:
>Excessively lean year-round while getting bigger. Few can do this while on gear, even fewer can do it naturally
>Skin quality, hair loss, etc sides. Mainly dht or dht derivative side effects but can occur naturally too. Very compound specific. Dht derivatives will age you much more than nandrolone which arguably can improve skin quality (and is more hair safe than testosterone)
Ultimately if someone looks big and shredded chances are they're on gear. The amount of people who are still dyel or otherwise look like shit is crazy too. You'd never guess the average roider was on roids, some you wouldn't even think work out at all. The people who have come up to me asking about steroids and talking about their cycle while genuinely looking like they don't even workout is staggering.
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Muscular face. You know the one. Problem with steroids is - muscles grow just as well even if you don't train them. Hence the face.
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disproportionally big delts and sub 12% bodyfat with muscles that are clearly "full" of glycogen and water
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>>76675481
Thats like the number 1 reason to roid lol it literally makes you more handsome as long as you don't get too big or dose too high to where water retention makes your face look bad.
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>>76675491
Didn't say it's bad. It's very attractive if not over-board (at that point the whole body is lol). It's a dead giveaway though.
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>>76674855
Veins in the biceps

Baseball size delts
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>>76675257
interesting
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If they are making money off their physique
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>>76674855
if the body is too good to be true, then it is. but there are harder ones out there like being masked by excess fat or being somewhat small despite having low bf and great separations.
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>>76675257
>roids help with acne
>roids grow the things that (supposedly) can't be grown naturally
>everybody's on roids
all bullshit bot, yawn
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>>76675507
>>76675491
>>76675481
bwahahha,"MUSCLE" face, more llike moon face lol :D
>>76677429
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they're bigger than me
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>>76674965
>Rear delts are the give-away for most.
I train my rear delts and they're pretty big, natty btw.
>Traps
>Usually underveloped in natties
I didn't intentionally target them and noticed they got pretty big too. Lots of ohp and some deadlift probably help.

I might be an outlier. How I can tell roiders is big, more muscle than fat, biceps look inflated with water, big veins. It's super obvious if they also have overpronounced nasolabial folds with puffy lower cheeks and lips, like what happens to female bodybuilders.
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>>76674855
If it looks unnatural, it is unnatural, never fails.
There is some cases where someone can roid and it won't show anywhere but those are a handful of complete retards.
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>>76674965
>Rear delts are the give-away for most
do face pulls and bent over lat raises you faggot
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I've known 3 roiders who didn't even lift except for some biceps curls at home.
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>>76675160
I have over developed traps, broad shoulders, and I'm losing my neck. No juice. Just been doing bjj for close to 8 years. And genetics. When I was lifting, I did get a lot of training partners asking me if I was on roids. They call me monkey grips bc my grip strengh/forearms...which is funny bc I was made fun of in elementary school- they called me monkey boy then bc I have unnaturally long arms, and I'm a mutt with monkey lips.
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Don't worry, they'll tell you
Just like vegans
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>>76675074
>If they look like they lift
This. Basically everyone who 'looks like he lifts' is on roids. Natties who lift look more like athletes or something
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>>76677591
Show us your bulging rear delts

>>76677680
Why did they roid? What did they look like?
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>>76675922
>Veins in the biceps
Me
>Baseball size delts
Not me
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>>76678585
>Natties who lift look more like athletes
Athletes are all juicing
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DBZ arms
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Always using hoodies and sweatpants in the gym even in the summer
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>>76674855
Big cartoon syringes labelled "roids" sticking out of their ass
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>>76674855
An average African fisherman in the Congo is more jacked than this guy
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>>76674855
If they are both bigger than me and more cut than at the same time than me pecifically
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>>76679158
More shredded maybe but not bigger, Subsaharans tend to have thin dark skin and good insertions so starving villagers look 'shredded' but not carrying much actual mass



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