Will he have to KHS? Who wants to vet he claims dyslexia or some shit? Lmaohttps://youtu.be/elLI9PRn1gQ?si=vMaVP1MGNpmM8ACd
>>76676094You're not even showing all the statistical errors he made. I really wonder how he'll respond.Absolute slop thesis.
>>76676094Admittedly lm in the middle of watching this. Too bad this shithole has lost all its magic, otherwise we could be ending the career of kike isratel.Tldw. Mike's PhD thesis is shyt. The foundation of his intellectual credibility is built on a mountain of crap
Whose going to post on his socials
Bump
>>76676187>You're not even showing all the statistical errors he made. I really wonder how he'll respond.>Absolute slop thesis.He won't, he didn't respond to the Lyle vid despite it getting 335k views and a 95% like rate and if he's smart he won't
>>76676187I like his low carb mood swing remark while looking like a landwhale.
>>76676094Bombshell.
>mid-thing pullI laughed
>no lyleWasted opportunity Solomon, but I can see why you wouldn't want him in on this video
>>76676333I think it's for the best Solomon started out being something other than a steering wheel for Lyle's - whatever you want to call that-. It's good if he can cultivate an audience based around where he's doing instead of just who he knows and can talk to. Even if he's just a critic and not a counter-expert that's incredibly valuable to this "hobby".
>>76676372Lyle is pretty based and I like solomon as a cohost for him. Solomon has already done videos just like this one going after other fitness grifters. Hope he does more of them and more shit with lyle. Lyle just drops gold every time he opens his mouth, genuinely the best advice on fitness of anyone I've listened to or read.
>>76676094No one cares honestly
>>76676094Is this the next bogdanoff scandal for exercise science? Or is this kind of academic laziness common in the field?
>>76676094i thought this was about dr mike israel the bear jew phd from devry university with a degree in critical sports psychology
>>76676675>Or is this kind of academic laziness common in the field?Very, very common.Not trying to mock the people in the field. I have some respect for them even, but it's the weakest branch of science
>>76676675Exercise science studies are usually pretty piss poor when it comes to their experimental design and especially with having tiny ass sample sizes. Whenever you hear about some big new study that challenges very conventional knowledge you can often bet it's with a sample size of under 50 people. The entire lack of repeatability of study findings is pretty rampant across academia but in exercise and nutritional science it's laughable.
>>76676675Exercise “science” at east Tennessee state isnt exactly prestigious
>>76676393>No one cares honestlyMeaning the noobs and non-lifters who've never heard of you getting spammed RP vids by the algorithm. $
The absolute state of Israetel.
>>76676094As someone with an actual PhD I'm a bit confused, what's wrong? It's literally impossible for every paper to be noteworthy due to the sheer number of students. Most papers are complete bullshit just like grad projects in basic uni degrees. Don't get me started on research papers that actual professors and researchers write, you're forced to write them or you become irrelevant which affects your salary and the funding you get, literally publish or die, it doesn't matter what, something anything has to be published. Iirc, less than 15% of actual research papers aren't completely bs, the rest is just noise. What do people expect from PhDs? This shit sounds like making a mountain out of the mole.
>>76676916People who couldn't pass a community college class can't comprehend what a phd entails.
>>76676752>Whenever you hear about some big new study that challenges very conventional knowledge you can often bet it's with a sample size of under 50 people.You can typically bet that the size isn't even 20 people and that's across 2-3 groups, like group A, group B, and control.
>>76676942That's assuming there's control groups in the first place.
>>76676916We expect the title to reflect a base level of expertise in a subject and general research literacy. Mike does not have that.
>>76676950The truth is most of your favourite phd docs on yt have a bunch of bs papers to their name or they are no longer participating in research because otherwise they'd be publishing and publishing because those are the rules of the game which essentially means that their dr. title means fuckall a this point.Don't get me started on medical docs on yt, most of those are either chiropractors (a literal meme), haven't complete their postgrad/residency, or the give advise outside their field of expertise. Or all of the above.Just pick your poison whichever passes the common sense and vibe checks the best. You're basically cooked either way.
>>76676958I don't have any YouTube or celebrity doctors I follow I'm not that kind of rube. Closest I've gotten is Doug Mcguff because he's an MD but exercise is almost entirely out of his wheelhouse didn't stop him from writing books on his version of HIT then attached himself to a bunch of pseudoscientists like chiropractors and homeopaths. Still he brings up an interesting point with exercise when it comes to caring for seniors and the obese.
>>76676303almost as big as mikes gut
>>76676916He wrote a thesis on what is all but the most common knowledge, confirmed that the previous research was correct without identifying limitations/shortcomings of the methodology or opportunities for further research, and misrepresented his cited works by attaching citations to his own unintelligible, pseudointellectual statements.Post your PhD. I want to read another piece of shit.
>>76676916So you're saying PhD really means willing to devote half your life to bullshitting people for money and clout, I guess Mike's off the hook.
>>76676976Essentially, the same goes for professors and whatnot. That's just the unfortunate reality of how the field works. If you're allowed to publish at your own pace when you actually had results, things would've been different, but they're not.>>76676975>Doxx yourself. I want to read another piece of shit.Nah, I'm doing that, nigger. But my PhD was in autonomous systems meanwhile I work as an electrician in solar, basically a blue collar cuck, because the pay is way better. And judging by what my former colleagues are doing these days, I dodged a bullet because AI is culling it/stem jobs like crazy.
>>76676984You aren’t important enough for doxxing to be a legitimate threat to your livelihood. Prefacing a post with “as an actual PhD holder,” is Reddit/woman behavior and immaterial to your posts. So by your refusal to produce, I can only surmise you’re a faggot with fake credentials in “autonomous systems” and electrical infetterence too, huh? Huh? Huh?
>>76677000>woooooh, you need to prove yourself to me, some 4chan niggerGet a grip, bitchboy, literally reread your own comment and realise how dumb it sounds. Jfc, autism should be treated like down's. Abortion is the way.
>>76677017No, you reread my comment, and attempt to grasp its meaning. You’re on an anonymous image board, offering self-identifying information with no substantiation, and then getting defensive when I point out how you are gay. Don’t be gay here. Or do, but I’m gonna keep calling you a faggot until you stop. :^)
>>76677000Also, a waste of digits, smdh.
>>76677017NTA, he's right through. If you're going to put forward your credentials as anything you should be willing have them checked. Otherwise you're in the same boat as every pathological liar on here. Which judging by your story telling you probably are.
>>76677024Nigger, literally reread your own comment.>you're on anon board, now deanonymize yourselfBruuuuuh, bait used to be believable. When did this site become so plebbit?>>76677027Uh huh.
>>76677017>um so uhhh guys as an ACTUAL :) PhD DOT DOT DOT>*loses his fucking diapey in 2 posts flat*what color are your hands, kerpal
>>76677039My bad, not plebbit, you sound more like a twitter transplant. Which arguably is even worse.
>>76677035You aggressively evade comprehension, lilfaggot. You ARE on an anonymous image board. What does your made-up automatic sneedstems thesis have to do with you not understanding why Israetel’s credentials are compromised by the deficiencies of his thesis paper? Wouldn’t you as an electrician, and as someone who went through the same process but in a more rigorously vetted field adjacent to real engineering, be able to thonk that thinkun out on your own?But you didn’t, you went full broccoli sprout and chimped out because your larp got disrupted. Faggot. :^)
>>76676916Then we should honestly stop handing PhDs out, but everyone knows its oay to play
>>76677045>he's still sperging outYou dumb fucking nigger, you seriously can't read for shit. You madeup something I didn't even say and got mad about it? Yes, my PhD was in autonomous systems, and it's literally just as much of an asspull even though it's written a decade before the pre-AIslop era. Why do you think I know how these things work and brought that up in the first place? Because I experienced it firsthand. There's no real rigorous vetting as you called it being it stem or art or whatever. The only time the realness of your PhD paper might even matter is when some institution/company got interested in it and decided to finance it to turn into a real product, that's like 0.001% of all PhDs out there. The rest are just wall decor that's hanging in your toilet or fodder for your credentials if you decided to become a prof/researcher.
>>76677086>the larp continuesWords words words; I didn’t ask and that isn’t how doctoral candidacies work, Vignesh.
>>76676094>>76676675Look up "replication crisis". Mike's "thesis" is exactly that it's actually insane.
>>76677089Almost every phd will confirm that it is. You're having an episode. Keep seething.
I have a phd in physics from a good university in the uk (not oxbridge though). Watched the video last night, it infuriates me that people would think this is common. No, academia is not like that everywhere, it's only like this if you study a shit subject, or you get your degree in a shit university, israetel did both.Anyway, this isn't nearly as dramatic as it sounds, although it's very funny. A shit phd is still better than no phd in my book. Most of these shittubers never even went to community college. The fact that israetel at least tried is good. The reason fitness science is a shit subject is precisely because no one even tries, his reviewers didn't even try and didn't give a shit, etc.And no, I'm not going to autistically reply to anyone calling me out asking for my credentials, I'll just go back to anonimity. I've never seen a guy more insecure than the other guy in this thread.>>76677099Did you even watch the video, illiterate faggot? he doesn't have any worthwhile results to replicate. Just read the first sentence on the wikipedia page of "replication crisis".
>>76677103Literally every single study mikes splashes on the screen has the same replication issues due to the chaotic nature of genetics and socio-economic factors, even at respectable sample sizes.One of the main causes of the replication crisis is duplicated and plagiarized papers like Mike's.
>>76676333Having Lyle's reaction as a part 2 of the video will give it legs
>>76677107I've never seen one of his videos, I've only seen him when he's a guest of jeff nippletits. And for the record, I don't watch youtube to get informed on the latest science, just to get entertained, and I think jeff nippard is entertaining. I don't think too hard about exercise science, just trying to lose 20kg.His thesis does not have this issue, if anything he's only replicating shit that has already been said or is common knowledge, that was the point of the video.
>>76677102see>>76677103Wrong again, as others have pointed out multiple times already.Isn’t it frustrating how you have to manufacture these ideas of me seething because you have no piece of information to go on as to who I am or what I do? Faggot. :^)
>>76677114Stop posting insecure motherfucker, now people are going to think I am you samefagging. Just get away from the screen nigger, no one will give a shit about you in an hour.
>>76677113I also only watch him through other channels mopping the floor with him. The point is that nothing he ever says is replicable in a real life scenario. Broscience just werks because it's more deeply rooted in scientific methodology than "exercise science">Brah why do i feel my chest and shoulders too on dips (question)>Maybe i should try different positions or find a way to hit tri effectively with dumbbells or cables (research/experimentation)>Dips are an upwards movement but even tilting the angle hits chest still, i should try a downward movement (hypothesis)Then you try a bunch of shit at the gym until you find the perfect way to do a skull crusher or triceps pushdown.
>>76677117No, I don’t think I will, faggot. :^) Say something else and demonstrate how a calm, collected, educated, and wealthy doctorate holder posts on /fit/ at 3:30 AM on a Tuesday.
>>76677135It's 9:23 in the uk mongoloid, I'm getting ready for work, thanks for letting us know you live in the US CT timezone, brainlet.Keep it up and you might actually end up doxxing yourself lmfao.
>>76677135>>76677139Actually are you the guy who claims to have a phd or the guy calling him out? I thought you were the phd guy. Can't be bothered to read the entire reply chain.
>>76677139>getting ready for work for two and a half hoursYou aren’t doing anything but posting fantasy, faggot. :^)
Is this the designated thread? It has more posts than the other one.The vast majority of PhDs are absolute bullshit nonsense like Mike's. Students just want to get the title and GTFO school. Remember that Mike is completely retarded and only got through school because of using smart drugs. You can't expect him to spell things correctly, do statistics, do science, or cite things properly.The actual people doing "exercise science" research with meaningful accomplishments are studying disease states. Basically all "sports science" is fucking nonsense, even the purported pillars of the field that Mike cites every chance he gets.
There are plenty of people getting PHDs at 100 IQ and below. Credentialism and trust in “experts” is dead because they are often partisans, but also just often not smarter than the average halfway intelligent white/Japanese/Chinese person
>>76676675It's a shitty, essentially broken fieldThe late Dr Ralph Carpinelli was my favourite to readHe wrote several critiques of exercise science positions and studiesBasically ripping them to shreds for being clearly bullshitGive this one a read, for example, and you'll start to get an idea of how shit the field ishttps://www.researchgate.net/publication/344614244_CRITICAL_COMMENTARY_ON_THE_STIMULUS_FOR_MUSCLE_HYPERTROPHY_IN_EXPERIENCED_TRAINEES
>>76677117>>76677135insecure samefag
>>76676333Lyle mcdonald is a legend. He once deadlifted 120 kg in competition and he has a website.
>>76677749Mike's raw IQ was tested by official science at >160. It was so high that it couldn't even be measured so it's likely well over 200. There has never been a sports scientist as intelligent as Mike. Period. Anyone trying to debunk him is just exposing their ignorance.
>>76677749Maybe I’m retarded and reading the graph wrong, but does this imply there’s a few 75 IQs walking around with PHDs?
>>76678047Yes, I’m betting affirmative action cases in education
>>76676916Is this the level required to be a doctor?
>>76676094I'm sure his paper is pointless, its just a thesis, a glorified school assignment, but this youtuber has a really low iq and doesn't know what he's talking about.he's claiming mike should have made scientific discoverys instead of publishing obvious conclusions that we already knew.this nigga thinks real life is like cartoons, you can just go out with a microscope and declare "i've made a discovery!"
>>76676094It's funny when kikes go at each other like this. Now you might ask, "how do you know Nelson is jewish?" Just take a look at those lips. Those are jewish lips. And then take a look at that nose and the eyes.
>>76677749Now post the breakdown of PhD IQ by field. I'm certain physics and mathematics will be generally around the 130 IQ mark, statistics and engineering just below but close, and then diminishing as we go into the humanities where at best the IQ is around average. Unfortunately, the vast majority of PhD's are not in the sciences but in the humanities. Moreover, Psychology is not a science. It's a pseudo-philosophical field that just builds more nonsense up on Jung, Freud, and Nietzsche's neo-Hegelianism (just a form of neo-Orphism).
>>76678194Advancing science is literally the job of those who want to be/are doctors.
>>76678122Yes.
>>76678194Literally the point of a PhD thesis is to advance the field no matter how incremental. At any normal school you're not graduating unless you create a new novel thesis.
>>76678202the name solomon didn't give it away?
>>76678194My undergrad economics thesis had to be novel and free of errors, got sent back for revision because I missed one comma on one citation.Getting a phd for that dissertation is beyond laughable and indicates the school should lose its accreditation.
>>76678194sounds like you never been to college
>>76678194Its funny you don't uphold standards of the process of trying to get a phd in science but would rather defend piss poor process of giving out phds. its all cope from your end to support the roided retard
>>76677974lmao
>>76678250A white man could, out of fascination with jewish fairy tales, name his son Solomon much like there are many non-jews named Aaron, Jacob, or Michael. To prove Jewishness, we must always consider physiognomy.
>>76676094>influencer is a lierwow I'm shocked now
>>76678306its 'liar' anon. its okay, this place is technically for grade school children so you are excused
>>76677103Nice larp faggot. I can tell from how israetel talks and writes that the both of you are frauds.
>>76678313Sorry that English is not my first language. I guess you never make any spelling mistakes, ever mr. perfect :).
>Dr. Mike is an egomaniac who can't stop thinking about himself>here is my 8th video essay of the month on himLOL, LMAO even
>>76678318english is not my first language either but its okay. You are still excused
>>76678265And what are you doing now?
>>76678332That was my point, you friendless loser, peace out. Holy shit, that's why nobody likes you IRL btw.
>>76678324were you trying to point out hypocrisy here? lol what was the point of your post?
>>76678336nice projections but you are still excused
>>76678318>>76678332two browncels fighting in the chat, normal people would just have called each other nigger faggots and been done with it. Arsedeep & Fudgepreet you're done here
>>76678343dont larp, you are the one arguing here
>>76678335I wfh as a financial analyst for a multinational megacorp, why?Should I have instead gotten a degreemill PHD so I could sell TA trading courses to tards online citing my "doctorate in economics" as my credentials?
Quite interesting, the amount of people who are covertly defending this fraudulent kike by feigning disinterest. This kike has been shilling shit products and diet/training advice onto millions for years. Actually...now that I think of it...He actually is based. Anyone who couldn't see this guy was a bigger fraud than liver king deserves it.
>>76678194>scientific discoverysIs Mike too poor to hire first world shills?
>>76678318>>76678332This is an American website.Speak American faggits.
>>76676916It's funny because the 'I could surpass you in your chosen field in a year if I wanted' guy is clearly a bullshitting fraud who is a laughing stock in his own.
>>76679152Some are starting throw him overboard, but it's going to be slow. The science lifter community as a whole is going to be hard pressed to continue to interact with him as this whole issue spirals. The problem is that he's probably the biggest "science" based fitness influencer out there, and damn near all the others have collaborated or interacted with him at some level. They'll risk harming their own brand if they signal too hard against him.Some will jump ship though. Scientificsnitch already disowned Mike, though her midwit take seems to be more motivated by Mike's statements about the biological reality of race more than his fraudulent PHD.
>>76676094holy shit, this is unbelievably bad and also speaks volumes about the institutions and people who have approved this, they literally didn't expect anyone to ever read this garbage
>>76678047Very few, but yes. I can attest of some.
>>76678047Diploma mills and near-mills are a thing. There are a lot of useless degrees and fields of study out there that exist solely as cash grabs for universities.
>>76678218Ominous
>>76676094If I'm reading this correctly, Dr Micahel H Stone gifted him a mentor at some point?
>>76680716Basically yes. The institution is garbage, he isn't a doctor in any meaningful sense.I hate science based lifting because it is low participant bullshit that grifter faggots and reddit faggots perpetuate. When they say shit like lengthened partials are better than full ROM you know it all needs to die. That isn't me standing on good form or some puritan lifting ethos, I cheat heavy reps cause I like it. The issue is that partials being superior doesn't make sense and is obviously not how your human body habituates.
so dr. mike israetel uncovered the knowledge that leaner and more muscular athletes are stronger? woah. sports science will never be the same
>>76676094will the doctor address this?
>>76681208No. He'll just seethe quietly unless the controversy reaches critical mass. Maybe if drama farmers like Greg Doucette amplifies the video or Jeff Nippard disowns him.Mike's best move right now is just to ignore it and just churn out normal slop. It'll all be forgotten by Christmas.
>>76678194>you can just go out with a microscope and declare "i've made a discovery!"bait asideyou literally canand PHD's should be reserved for people who dothey shouldnt just be a degree ++
>>76678306>liermike...
>>76677992A good example of: you will know them by their work.
>>76676916>>76677749
>>76676094stupid science bitch lmaoo
>>76678218ThisHumanities and STEM are simply not comparableAlthough I don't want to diss humanities too much, there are still worthwhile fields, but it's nonsense like social studies that drags it down
>>76678194Generating new knowledge is the international standard for a PHD thesis. No matter how small an increment it may be, you need to be advancing your field in some way.Mike's thesis can be boiled down to "yyyup, those guys were right". No new knowledge, no new methodology, no challenge, or even appearance thereof, to established modelsRegurgitation of existing knowledge is the standard for Bachelor's theses and with how chock-full of glaring flaws it is, at my uni I have doubts it would pass even that.
>>76676094all academia is bullshit
Science is just a way by which we find new knowledge, by creating and testing hypotheses. If we find new information we incorporate it and repeat the processIt's an iterative process that never ends and anyone can do it, you don't need a PhD and I find people that use it as branding appealingThe idea of a PhD is to prove you can add new knowledge to a field, hence having "mastery" of it. Clearly he failed at this
>>76676916This. The video is just a disgusting sneer, regardless of what you think of mike.
>umm, actually, the real problem is bringing attention to the problem. Be better
I actually participated in the research, I'm the dude who was 342cm tall at the time.
>>76682589This. We shouldn't be auditing liars and frauds and hucksters we need to just leave them alone and let them lie to the public
Did you know that Mike has shown a /fit/ screenshot in a video? Just keep in mind there's a non-zero chance he's in this very thread angrily replying in an attempt to save face. Some of the posts could very well already be his by the sounds of it!
Is this the end of Dr Mike's hyperreal simulacrum?
>>76678194>this nigga thinks real life is like cartoons, you can just go out with a microscope and declare "i've made a discovery!"This is basically what Harvard did with their fraudulent cancer research center for 20 straight years only instead of a microscope it was fraudulent western blots. All of academia turns to fraud when no one is watching and stopping the nonsense.
>>76676916https://dc.etsu.edu/sport-physiology-etd/index.htmlI guarantee, take a look at any random dissertation here, I give it maybe 70% chance they're on par with Dr. Mike's work if not worse.
>>76678235lets see your NSF grant proposal
>>76678313> technicallyI think you do not know what that word means
>>76676187>Absolute slop thesis.It's really damning for the university. It's one thing for the student to make mistakes, but it's the kind of stuff that should and most often will get a paper sent back for revision the first semester.
it's embarrassing that this university can accept this quality of work. This shit wouldn't be accepted even as a regular assignment in a respectable university >>76678194lmao even my master thesis had as a requirement that you need to investigate something novel. Obviously no students don't fucking revolutionize the field with a thesis but it's required that you're not just repeating work and you have to justify your proposed thesis by writing about state of the art. Yeah most come up with some minor bullshit they want to check but you have to make an argument as to why your work could lead to a novel discovery Mike didn't even try to bullshit it he just phoned it in with some experiment id expect from a high school class and then word vomited and copy pasted until he had enough pages. The lazy fuck didn't even turn on the spell checker on word
>>76676675>standard deviation is larger than the mean for height>someone is two standard deviations away, having at least one is a regular occurrence for any bell curve, they're -182cm tall>somehow """doctor"""" kike managed to test multiple people who were 2 dimensional
>>76677035>now deanonymize yourselfYou chose to do that when you went>BRO I HAVE A PHDNow we're telling you to prove it. You want to establish being a woman then you better post tits or GTFO
>>76678336woah, female moment. Get back to the kitchen
>>76676916So much this. It's an open secret really. Masters works are even worse. My friend did master thesis on applied physiscs which was copy of his bachelor thesis which was shortened copy of some of his professor work. No one cares. But he still needed to learn stuff, pass exams, discuss work with professor etc. It's only surprising for general public. I can imagine it is much worse in some LMAO exercise "science"
>>76678220PhD thesis is not about advancing science. Formally, even master thesis should be about advancing science, but everyone understands it is impossible. We just have an institution now that declares one principles but works by another
>>76679152>fraudulentFraudulent how? Does he really not have PhD?
>people are arguing about le muscle studiesjeff nippard does actual studies and hes using a fucking dexascan to prove muscle growth
>>76683894My PhD contract literally states that the topic of the thesis needs to be novel lmao, go to an institution that conducts actual science
Honestly, Universities should be way more rigorous on checking this. Today, everybody who signs up for a PhD will probably get one eventually if they don't drop out.I remember stories of the last century when students took more than 10 years and simply never achieved anything novel and therefore never got their title. It should be hard and it should mean something.
QRD?
the comments on mr mike's new vid are brutal
That thesis unironically wouldn't even pass as a capstone senior project for a bachelor's at a real school.
>>76684331Am I having a stroke? What does that video title mean?
>>76684328Mike's PHD thesis would get tossed out at any respectable institution and in any respectable field, but since he studied a niche subject at a bottom-tier university, he gets to call himself a doctor
Scence based lifting
>>76684360Mike's ongoing delusion that drugs have no side effects and that 100% of people will be roidtrannies 5 years from now.
>>76684370BASEDASED
>East Tennessee Mike just released a video titled "Nutrition Science is Broken"Kek even Stephen "smoking is good for you because it prevents Parkinson's" Gundry is more of a doctor (both kinds) than Mike.
>>76676094If you trust people just because they have a PhD, that's your problem. Do people not remember the story about the Cambridge PhD thesis about how the use of smell in literature proves that whitey is oppressing everybody?
>>76682919what's funny is a dissertation exploring sport outcomes (wins, points, x, y, z thing that could be tracked) and their relation to performance in different lifts would be interesting
>>76684375God he's so pathetic, he'll try to bodybuild in any way possible but the tried and true picking up heavy stuff and eating correctly.
>>76684360Mike's fetish with taking as many drugs as he can so he doesn't have to physically move. Just shoot up everything, sit on his couch, and become my olympia
>>76684382I might be retarded but whenever someone mentions they have a PHD I just think of it as extra time in university
>>76684382Literature is a field with long-standing rigor, and Cambridge a good university. I haven't read her thesis, but I wouldn't outright dismiss it on technical terms. The facts that most thesis are incredibly niche and therefore don't apply to anything relevant is a feature of the 'novelty' criteria.
he just uploaded another video and the comment section is ripping him apart again lmfao
>>76682587Very well said.
>>76676916Sorry Mike, you aren't talking your way out of this one. Especially if the miscitations are real.
