Or just a respectable supplement that is proven to increase performance and accelerate muscle gain?There is a monstrous consensus of anectodes about hair loss caused by creatine that defy the scientific concensus that there is no correlation, why would such a colossal chasm happen between personal experience and scientific study?
It makes you juice out more reps which ever so slightly raises androgens. It boils down to how shit your genetics are, same for steroids
>>76680591So it becomes just a dice roll to see if you are willing to go Norwood 2 from 1 for 2 reps on your max bench? Is that right?
>>76680589sadly, it won't do a thing for faggots who post the same thing over n over. have fun having same retarded body for years and years lolol
>>76680606>t. bald at 23
>>76680589I don't like this shit because it makes my face swell, i get jowls on creatine, drinking more water doesn't help. I literally look noticeably older on it to the point where people start asking me if I was sick or something bad happened. Idgaf about what gains it might give me, but it makes me feel depressed because of the above, so I tossed it.If you don't get this kind of shit or don't care about it, the go ahead, use creatine, it's pretty well studied, it's like one of the oldest supps out there.
>>76680600You're never gonna use it anyways and never gonna use the hair loss supps even if you bald naturally and will never use steroids let alone probably train at any meaningful capacity.
>>76680589>why would such a colossal chasm happen between personal experience and scientific study?Because people using creatine>are men>use it at the time genetic hair loss starts>very self conscious about their looks compared to other men because they lift and take supplements I’ve been taking creatine for 17 years with no hair loss and side effects. It’s genetic
>>76680620Post body
>>76680625Interesting rebuttal but you post it either so why would i. I just defeated you at being defeatist.
>>76680628Opinion discarded
>>76680625>>76680628You're both fats, one of you is balding, the other is terrified of balding. Now shut the fuck up
>>76680634Post physique and hairline
>>76680638Don't need to, I'm fat and balding. I'm just not a pussy about it. Your turn
>>76680645Opinion once again, discarded
>>76680650Your circular logic doesn't change reality
>>76680589I started taking it a couple of months ago after lifting for 5 years without it and my gains are currently exploding, wish I tried it soonerBalding isn't in my family genetics (dad still has full head of hair at 70) so I'm not worried about that
>>76680645>>76680634>>76680633>>76680628>No physiques posted so far
>>76680589Seems like cheating more than vitamins which are also gay, id rather have a top tier diet.
>>76680589It mimics 1lb of meat per gram so its definitely cheating, youre way better off getting carbs right. I never noticed jack shit not even 1 extra rep. If you actually held more glycogen itd make your 1rm go up significantly which it doesnt.
Already bald so I dont give a flying fuck. More energy is nice.
>>76680679It does for me
>>76680679works on my machine
>>76680589If you eat high amount of meat there's a chance you dont need it extra, and there are almost no side effects like liver failure or balding. If you are balding on creatine you would be balding without it. Its a literal miracle drug with almost no side effects (one is water retention, and nausea is another especially if you just started taking it). Only gainzgoblins tell you otherwise
>>76680679Some people are non-respondents to creatine. You might be one.
>>76680737Eating your nutrients has many benefits>amino acid profiles for collagen/protein synthesis>animal fats for nutrient adsorption>not dried out>androgens in meat probably helps build androgen receptors if not anabolic due to even non orally available roids being in your intestines forna while which are smooth muscle>being stacked all day eating a ton rather than once a day all at once>since i am good at cooking i also am deeper into fitness and also cook carbs/fats all the time which upregulate hormonesI went a few months and it did nothing and i eat a ton of especially red meat anyways(probably chicken and steak has more creatine than slow twitch muscles)Besides techniqe alone before even programming assuming any effort diet is massive and will even make a roider barely grow. I wouldnt listen to basically anything in studies beyond it probably being a false conclusion. If you really wonder just add whatever fitness shit hard for a month and see whats up itll be worth it over the year.
>>76680811>it didn't work for me therefore the studies are wrong and nobody should do itjump off of a skyscraper
>>76680724Ill even bald if im working extra hard in the gym. I grow it back im kind of very healthy and way better than most in practice at diet and shit.Cortisol from super high workloads in an hour or so is what does it. Also if you work that much harder and sweat more it magnifies any dietary insufficiencies. And some people get 0 omegas, avoid butter and veggies, domt use herbs/aromatics, arent saltpilled, figure why not run or work harder im a big boy etc nah if im doing a ton of hard sets back to back so i can feel good about working hard in the gym it results in less its like being in jail and trying to become an endurance runner and lifting a ton with likited food its just stupidity.
>>76680813Im not using creatine because supplements are gay and im nit a cheat. Oh no who is it big creatine whatre you gonna do flex at me then go rattling off science facts? It legitimately does nothing and no you dont need a lb of meat per gram of creatine maybe if you believe theres a pound of lean meat in a mcdongs triple sure then creatine might help you lift your weights the right way.
>>76680819I hear ashwaghanda helps to lower your cortisol but I have no way to verify if that's true. There are also claims that lower cortisol helps gains.
>>76680811That's nothing special. I do that and most people moderately serious about fitness or lifting does that too. I still notice the effects of creatine. Again, about 15-20% of population are non'-responders to creatine. You might be one, no biggie. Your experience with it doesn't invalidate mine in the same way that my experience doesn't invalidate yours.
>>76680877I am 100% sure if you get any benefit from creatine youre just low on protein. You should be eating different cuts of meat that has more cartilidge or fast twitch fibers to vary amino acids anyways.
>>76680844Im pretty sure someone whod buy ashweganda in the first place probably is less immune to homeopathic drugs and more likely to have an easy life. I dont even take vitamins out of principle, I dont want someone to be able to say i had any kind of edge in getting big and strong and theres no actual detriment if you just eat more food, if you wanna cut just lift more then its free muscle density training ignoring time spent to get higher nutrition from food only.
There is not a "monstrous consensus of anectodes about hair loss caused by creatine", it's just a baldschizo with balding genes samefagging in every creatine thread.
>>76680993Write creatine hairloss on any search engine and/or social media and you will be bombarded with such anectodes
>>76680993>t. creatine shill
>>76680904Nta. Otherwise sensible adult male here. Ashwaghanda is my one maybe-placebo. The purported benefits are too good to ignore and the disproof is too lacking.
>>76680589this is going to sound like a conspiracy theory but I think creatine is just being used to promote both fin and minoxidil on this website. its quite heavily pushed even towards people who aren't balding talking about "i wish i would have just taken it sooner". its always so suspicious when pharmaceutical drugs are pushed on this site
>>76681026yea also on the gandha and feel like it helps. maybe placebo, dont gafbut as far as creatine my hair started thinning while I was on it and stopped as soon as I quit. regret ever taking it but my hair has stayed the same since I quit.
>>76680589If you actually eat a bit more to counter the heightened metabolism, it can thicken your hairMost people who lose hair on it weren't eating enough to begin with and then this made it worse enough to go bald faster than they already were
>>76681221There are too many horror stories of people taking creatine for six months, shedding hair like fucking crazy, stopping taking creatine and the shedding stopping with it, but with irreversable recession on the hairline, it is like all over everywhere i try to research for personal experience. I bought a 300gr tub but i am not sure i want to even fucking open it
>>76681212You're right
>>76681212There is a reason there are no "studies" done to correlate hair loss to it other than the one at 2009 that says "yeah it sheds hair lol", (((they))) want to sell you shit. Always have.
>>76681580if thats the case, why do all threads talk about hair loss when talking about creatine? if there is no mention of hair loss, there is absolutely 0 mention about fin and minoxidil. It can only be brought up if you talk about "hair loss". Also i have been taking creatine since high school and every person I know who works out also takes creatine, none of us are balding. I only know 2 people who are balding and they dont work out. One just plays golf with a hat all day and the other is just a regular guy who is starting to become even more of a skellington. this push of both fin and minoxidil have become so main stream im pretty sure i saw an ad for it on youtube.
Been taking 5g since June and my hair is fine
>>76680589Lol, I've been taking this shit for years and still have a perfect head of hair. And I'm old as fuck too lolIt's not the creatine making you bald, you were gonna go bald anyway because of genetics. There is no evidence that creatine causes hair loss
>>76680589Makes you bald and bloated
>>76681608>takes creatine because too poor for 2lbs of meat a day>probably in school and or has a job>goes ham for 90min 5x/wkBeing poorly rested then going hard on weights spikes cortisol to shit and causes hair loss since youre working harder in the gym now. Its also something noobs get right into lifting and usually cutting out butter to count calories and counting vegetable oil as fat is gonna lower endocrine system. Constantly at deficit also lowers endocrine system over eyeballing it and ending up gaining less fat eating more because of bmr. You want to be as fresh as possible and only taking 1-3 rest days over a year wears you down, successful lifters usually arent rushing to put on mass/strength.
>>76680589Yes. One scoop and all of your hair will fall out
ain't no fucking way I am rolling this dice
>>76680589Took it for six months, it did make me lose hair with marginal gains, not recommended
>all these chrome domes coping about what causes their hair loss instead of just looking at their family genetics
>>76683811What Norwood is this? I’m 33 and been taking creatine since January
>>766838312 or 2a
>>76683835I thought my hair was fine, damn. Should i start taking fin or just quit creatine?
>>76683839You're 33 bub, its bound to happen anyway.
>>76683841When I don’t pull my hair back it’s not visible I’m just wondering when it will be visible. My father is 67 and still has hair
>>76683850Your paternal side isn't the only factor, you should see males in your maternal side as well.
>>7668385333 is not that old bro, my mom's brother is bald and the bro of my dad is bald aswell. I don't know lets see what happens, maybe creatine fucked me up?
>>76683855>my mom's brother is bald and the bro of my dad is bald aswell.
>>76683863nice tik tok pic bro, my hair still looks normal but only time will tell
>>76680600Just use this unique bench after taking creatine. Your spotter does all the work.
>>76680589Makes your abs and hairline disappear just to make the last 1-2 reps feel better, and that's only if you're lifting high weight low rep. They aren't stronger, you don't get more reps in or lift more, the reps just feel less shitty. I did extensive testing on myself because all the bullshit online is put out by companies that are trying to sell more of their product. I also found about half of the supplements to do jack shit, they're either cut down too much or entirely some filler product with little to none of the actual supplement in them.If you are the type that looks worse with a pudgy face and like when a sharp jawline shows, it will also bloat your face. This is a plus for me because my face bones are way too sharp and caveman looking. If you like to stay lean this isn't the product for you, you'll look more bloated and need extremely low bf% for abs to show well while taking it. Meme product mostly.
>93 servingsShit like this is a clue that what you're buying is for total retards.How can they possibly know your lean body mass?You need to do math and take however much is appropriate for you.
>>76683948Stop noticing
>>76680591>>76680600Try going off creatine and see where your maxes are at. I had the same maxes but those last couple reps felt worse, just like they were more fatigued, but the weight I could move was the exact same and I still made progress at the same rate. It can help if you're a bitch who can't take the pain of struggle. But that's all I noticed was it felt different.
>>76683949I noticed that caffeine and plain sugar is all I need for my workouts.
>>76680589>monstrous consensus of anectodesThere is a "monstrous consensus of anecdotes" that chopping a kids head off in the womb and then vacuuming it out isn't murder.People believe what they want to believe.
>>76683948They also tell you to take 5g and don't provide a scale. Even when they give you a plastic spoon it's a generic one that doesn't actually give the right weight. All products will vary due to being different density.
>>76683963I forgot to say: you also need lab equipment to know what's in the powder before you even need to start doing math.The spoon gives wrong weight because it doesn't matter.It's more psychological than physiological, retards take it to feel good about themselves, nothing more.
>>76680589>that defy the scientific concensus that there is no correlation, why would such a colossal chasm happen between personal experience and scientific study?modern day science is driven by profit not by intellectual integrity. just look at the new research showing that botox in the scalp cures hair loss without fin/dut. the internet anecdotes and schizos were right all along.who's funding the studies showing creatine isn't linked with hair loss?
>>76683997Both of those are retarded.>Communicate resultsLMAO, with whom, God? Independent reproducibility is the only way.
>>76680655Okay I admit. I was wrong. I went bald today. Completely bald like Norwood 7
>>76683950I never had stamina issues but it definitely made me more livid. By the end of sessions id be like a deer in headlight usually just rushing everywhere like an autist before doing my set, creatine mitigated those stims it seems
>>76684055
I've been having LESS hair loss since I started taking creatine.What does that say about me?
>>76684103Delusional
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>>76680614skill issue
How much is everyone taking? I'm using 12g a day.
>>76680589>There is a monstrous consensus of anectodes about hair loss caused by creatinePretty sure it's the same deal as the people who talk about how finasteride caused their dick to shrink; hypochondriacs
>>766842105gs brother
>>76684210>12g a daykek your kidneys are fucked
>>76684353Huberman recommends 10-15g per day depending on your weight.
>>76684353Not drinking alcohol is the only thing that makes a difference with kidneys, lil bro.
>>76684358>experts say
>>76684353>thinking kidneys are going to struggle with creatinehow dyel are you?
>>76683997poltards are the dumbest motherfuckers
>>76684230There is just too many man
>>766842103-4g. thinking of upping to 5-6
>>76684044with arxiv
>>76680589No I've been taking it for a while and love it. Muscles are always perma-pumped and my hair is as thick as ever. Your pictel is the brand I take, too.
the hair thing is a bad meme
I started putting it in my wife's yoghurt
>>76683811Fucking this lolOne of my buddies, 25, swears that it's starting creatine that made him start losing hair when literally>His dad has been bald forever, known him since like 5 years old and I've never seen his dad with hair>His uncle (mom's brother) has absolutely zero follicles on the top of his head>Both of his grandpas have no hair>His older brother is still in his 20s and he's already bald
>>76680844Ashwa is a fucking scam Rhodiola and panax ginseng work right now, not two weeks from now if you dose perfectly
>>76680892One of the worst takes I've ever readCreatine increases metabolism, water retention and acts as an electrolyte in a small capacity It's literally gains fuel
>>76682853But you don't take it and are bald and bloated already What gives?
>>76684103If you're eating enough, creatine can unironically thicken your hairIt thickens mine as well
creatine is awesome but i had crazy shits when loading
