For all of you here who defamed Dr. Mike Israetel, I hope you can afford a good lawyer.Just so all of you here know, EVERYTHING has been proven false.Even Greg Doucette and Solomon themselves have already retracted their false statements.You are all liable for defamation here.Good luck in court. And good luck explaining you're using 4chan "only" for "fitness advice".
Thanks Mike. Good luck in the next Mr Olympia.
>>76692649oh the thesis was just a draft that the university somehow had on file and accidentally uploaded to their official websiteyeah it is normal practice to send drafts to the university as you work on your thesiseverything is normal hereobviously
Now he has to post the real thesis.
>>76692649Lmao Mike please
>>76692649I don't like mike and listening to his million faggot as jokes every ten seconds but who gives a shit about if he has phd or not. why is that so important
Can someone post the thesis? Dr. Kike blocked access.
>>76692649>always to the opposite…
>>76692649KWAB
>>76692649Surely Dr Kike attached the actual and final version of the thesis to the same mail, right?
>>76692649>just a draft>guys, he just gave the university the wrong advices…
>>76692649>A draft thesis? On this part of youtube, after this many years, for that institution, localized entirely within the academic database?>Yes!>May I see the original?>No
>>76692807
>>76693829Not possible, his dog ate the final version.
>>76692649Ah the university uploaded a mere draft by accident and it was up for years and no one noticed. Happens all the time, please, continue to send your kids to our papermill
5 days and still no "real" version had been put out.clearly they are scrambling to fit the errors, but it doesn't help the fact that it's meaningless drivel
>>76693913https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RCjB1GaPCpgNHZbVQfsm6-ugmmNDH6Wo/edit
>>76693921reminder to anyone clicking this you're giving this guy your ip and email by going to this link
>>76693921metatdata says it was last edited yesterday>>76693926sigh, average jew behavior
>>76692649Hi, Mike!
>>76692649https://youtu.be/W16bgp1d6fw [Open]>the new document was edited by Mike's current maketing teamlol nobody is buying this Mike>>76693921I wish this was litterboxed
>>76694154Mike really wants to become Lolcow of the Year.
>>76693926>>76694154>WAH WAH>I'm too retarded to use a VPN and not open it with my google account linked>WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
>>76693858kekd
>>76692649Of course (((Doctor))) (((Kike))) (((Israel))) is doing some vile jew shit.>it was just a draft!Yeah, okay. Worst part is he probably has an uncle or some shit in the system that can rewrite history for him.
>>76693418It seems important enough him that he won't shut the fuck up about how he's a Doctor. If his credibility as one gets compromised then ALL his credibility gets compromised. Now, why do I care about some retarded internet coach getting fucked over? I dunno, it's funny.
>>76693858Kek. Nice one.>>76692649I think this is more damning to the university than Israetel; which is thus damning of Mike. Such is life in this crazy world.
>>76692807FPBP lmaoooooooMIKE BTFO'dThis is literally worse for his credibility than some meming "influencers" talking shit bahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
>>76692649Mike's Master thesis is even worse than his PhD thesis. The guy is below Community College level in skills, knowledge and attitude.
>>76692649>Looks like shit>Is weak>Has never achieved anything great in the in his world of "expertise">Nobody great has ever attributed their success to his techniquesI would never take advice from him anyway
>>76692649Mike threatening Solomon with lawsuits to delete the video just proves that Solomon's criticism was 100% CORRECT.
>>76694989lol
>>76693418I like mike, but he starts literally every video with>btw im a doctorIf he just started with>"hey mike here"Nobody would have cared
>>76693921Anyone have the original?
>>76692649You're like two days too late. Mike was forced to admit that Solomon had the real final thesis after all and he was lying about it being a draft. The university threatened legal action against him
>>76692649gregging my doucette to this rn
>>76697529Isn't it in the university's interest to pretend it was just a draft that they uploaded by mistake, as opposed to admitting that they actually awarded him a PhD on its basis?
>>76694052why does it fit so well?
>>76692649
>>76697617Actually a pretty reasonable and level headed response from the dude. I respect it a lot
>>76697631>be accused of doing something you've done>lie, falsify a "real draft">get lackeys to make videos in defense of yourself>get caught in the lie>uhh so actually the accusations are true hahaYeah... really worthy of respect bro.
>>76697635Wait, is he now saying the Solomon's copy was actually the correctly uploaded final version of the thesis and the "corrected" version was only created in response to the video now?
Online fitness is a shithole. Thank fuck Rippetoe was the loudest voice when I started lifting seriously in the early 2010s. In my gym of 1k members, I've seen only 10 guys bench over 100kg.It's now dominated by drama, open steroid junkie influencers, fake natties, snake salesmen, grifting coaches, optimal DYELs, and overblown claims from exercise science.
>>76697642He admitted to the first part, but didn't say anything about your second question. I imagine the corrected version really was only recently made, because it's the only thing that makes sense.
>>76697647>He admitted to the first partI understood that he claimed he had made a finished version that was approved, and then the incorrect version was improperly uploaded
>>76692649>>76697555In most cases it's the student own responsibility to submit a document for the repository. >>76692816The fuck are you talking about. Unis have tons of drafts in their documentation, ranging from documents on the students' own cloud, documents sent in personal communications to their thesis supervisor, and drafts uploaded to the thesis class page.
>>76697617KWABWAB
>>76697648That was his claim, but today he said the version Solomon reviewed was the newest one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UczS9SL1Rsohttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/LqUJJlCH62U
>>76697702Then where did that updated version come from?
>>76697712The marketing agency he uses.Not joking, that's who's on the metadata of the new document.
>>76697733That doesn't necessarily mean anything on its own, depending on how the document was opened it could have been overwritten
>>76697747Only if you open it and save it again on the same file.If you just open it with any editor it's not going to autosave with all new dates and document owners.And even if they're by coincidence using some software that unusually does have this kind of autosaving behavior, why did this new version have to go through them first?Why wouldn't Mike just send Milo the correct file that he supposedly has on his computer?It's a weird set of edge scenarios that are more plausibly explained by mike sending the file to the firm to try and fix the PR nightmare for him, rather than "it's just multiple weird coincidences one after the other".
>>76697777I'm happy to wait until after mike comments on where the "final" version came from before jumping to conclusionsIf he doesn't, then most likely something fucky happened
>>76697788Whatever Mike says isn't going to be a reliable account of what actually happened. He's lied and avoided responsibility multiple times before, and has every incentive in the world to do it again, as he did in these past few days before getting caught and admitting that Solomon's version was the real one this whole time (meaning that his and Milo's defense was a lie, on top of all the strawmen in the defense itself).Obviously by not having factual data about the whole story we can only speculate without being able to tell for sure how things went down, but based on the facts that we do have we can certainly say how plausible or implausible the various options are, and even without his admission here >>76697617 I think the scale leaned very heavily on them faking a corrected version with the agency to lie and save face.
>>76697830Just because he's lied in the past doesn't mean he's guilty by default. I'd rather be patient and be sure than jump to conclusions
>>76697842Just because a liar isn't guaranteed to always lie it doesn't mean that you can just arbitrarily decide to take their word for something that they have every reason in the world to lie about (and have already admitted to lying about).The only thing you could be waiting for is some kind of hard evidence that doesn't rely on us trusting anyone involved with Mike.Waiting for Mike's statement to make up your mind is complete nonsense.Also, waiting for what?What could Mike say that might change things? He already admitted that Solomon's version is the real one. Everything else is at best a small detail pertaining Milo's video, and not the actual matter at hand (the content of Solomon's video).I can't know for sure what your motives are, but you really sound like someone who's trying really hard to help Mike save face, either because you're a fan, or because you're connected to him, or because you're just memeing as someone irrationally trying to defend him.
His thesis is really sloppy and meaningless. The simplest and most likely explanation is the following: he did the absolute bare minimum to push his "thesis" through, so he could use and abuse his "PhD" title to prop up his business, and he assumed nobody would care to look it up. That's itMy conclusion is that he really is as dumb as a rock. No one that is of moderate intelligence can look at that "work" and say, "yes, this is worthy of publishing". His morality also has been laid bare: no shame, no accountability.
>>76692649This guy puts like half the scoop of protein shake.
>>76697617Damn this true? I don't care about kiching the guy as he's down, I'm just happy all his defenders eat shit.
>>76697850>What could Mike say that might change things?I don't know, I'm not familiar enough with the academic process to be able to speculate. For that reason I'm comfortable pulling back and waiting to see what people say.I'm not going to get my panties in a twist seething about something I don't understand with limited information.Honestly I have no idea why you're staking your ego so much on something which doesn't matter at all. Mike might be a complete grifter, or he might not. I'm not going to lose sleep over it either way because my emotional investment in the outcome is basically 0. In a couple of days we'll know what the full story is, I'll come to an accurate conclusion and then I'll never think about this again.And I can't speak to who you are, because my entire interaction with you is 3 messages on an anonymous forum. I've been in your position before too, so I should probably be more sympathetic. I'd like to think that the difference was that the shit I was getting frustrated about actually mattered though, and the information available was complete enough to paint a full picture. My standards are a little higher than:>He lied before>Circumstantial evidence shows the published version was edited recentlyThat's not decisive enough for me to stake my ego on it, even if I gave a shit about e-beef.I'm gonna go jack off.
>>76692649WTF Where'd this guy come from?????
>>76694955Now my fat ass has to order from long john silvers, since there's no fish and chips shop within 100 miles of me. Thanks for ruining my cut asshole
>>76697777Holy quads of truth.
>>76697898You're making a lot of (convenient) assumptions about my intentions and my position on the matter.This discussion has been merely about what information we can take and how we can use it.I have far more investment in this discussion with you than I have in the outcome of this debacle.You've said some pretty unreasonable things and I've explained why they're unreasonable (mainly the absurd idea of waiting for Mike's statement before making up your mind, which would be absurd even if Mike was the confirmed reincarnation of Jesus and Buddha at the same time), and now that I brought attention to how unreasonably pro-Mike you've been, you're trying to flip it back to me, calling into question why I'm supposedly so invested in trying to defame Mike, as if what I said isn't all completely factual from start to finish (unlike your posts).This makes your "guys let's not think or say bad things about mike despite all the facts, because maybe we're missing something crucial that even they haven't brought up, that somehow exonerates him from the accusations" position seem even more like an attempt to defend him.>I'm gonna go jack off.Wow you're so uninterested man, now I really believe that you only care about the truth and aren't invested in Mike's reputation.
>>76697555Probably but it's unlikely they want to risk going down that route of blatant deception, especially when everyone worked out in five minutes that the more polished version was edited recently by the PR firm that Mike/Milo/Pac all use.
>>76697631He was forced into doing it after trying desperately to lie to everyone that it was a draft
>>76693921>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RCjB1GaPCpgNHZbVQfsm6-ugmmNDH6Wo/editMarch 2013Solomons was from August 2013
>>76692649>>76697617This looks pretty bad for him and his business. A bad thesis is one thing, but the apparent deception is another.>>76697555Yeah but if they got caught it would be disastrous. Better to just be honest and take the L.
>>76697959>You're making a lot of (convenient) assumptions about my intentions and my position on the matter.Mother fucker you're the one who started calling me a shill out of nowhere - it's nothing like an assumption to say that you're deep in your emotions about this. It's not at all reasonable to wait for more information in this circumstance, and you haven't even tried to challenge me on why waiting is a bad idea except to say "what seems more likely?"And, if I was guessing based on the raw balance of probabilities right now, I think it's more likely that the edits happened before the original solomon video. It seems like too much work to have happened in such a short time, even if the PR team went into full panic mode. It absolutely could have happened, but it's an inconveniently roundabout way of damage control when mike could have just refused to provide receipts and no one would have cared. It also requires inventing totally new sections and opening them up to scrutiny which just isn't how people lie, and would be too easy to prove as fabricated. Self admittedly, I have no fucking clue though. Since I know my assessment of likelihood is dogshit, it's easier for me to not give an opinion.Or apparently not, because now you've made the conversation about who I am instead of what the evidence says. What an incredibly detached and objective person you are.
>>76697702solomon sweep
>>76697712>>76697733And they fucked up the date too. The date on the "revised" version was March 2013, while the "draft" Solomon reviewed was dated to August 2013.
>>76692649Wasnt the paper on if youre stronger with more muscle you produce more force? Or something retarded like ghhheeee really? I did my phd on if you breathe air you dont die and proved it!!!
Solomon-dono... I kneel
>>76697631It's not even written by him, he has a whole fucking marketing team behind him. Notice how it's a fucking jpeg.
Kike Israetel just admitted that it was the original document and not just a draft. Once again sport soience is a JOKE.
This guy literally lies that he has a 4 SD above the mean I.Q.He couldn't even write a simple summation notation in the PhD and as the others pointed out it was meaningless.Leaner and more muscular people are on average more athletic. wow, shocker.What a fraud. I mean his last name is literally Israetel.
Just one more lipo surgery and mr o here we come baby FUCK YEAH
>>76692649Being a university student myself I actually think this is plausible. Thousands of retards are paid 6 figures to get on each other's way and create mountains of useless paperwork
>>76698001>A bad thesis is one thing, but the apparent deception is another.He should have just owned his bad thesis and call it a day. He's too big to fail
>>76697788Are you genuinely retarded? >>76697777Stop replying to this retard. You are getting baited hard.
>>76698068>samefag
"I, Kike SISSYratel-sama, JOBBER of the bodybuilding community humbly kneel to:Solomon Nelson-sama, my master whose hour-long expose video gave me uncontrollable orgasms so massive even the anal rape from Lyle-sama can't compareLyle McDonald-sama, my one and only true love and other master.Mentzer-sama, who I shall never become stronger or smarter than.Greg Doucette-sama, who my PR manager warned me about.Love-handles-sama, who easily ruined me to the point I needed cosmetic surgerySpray-tan-sama, who ruined my first bodybuilding show and first awakened my wish to become a pathetic bitchJonni-Shreve-sama, who beat the shit out of me so hard I started being attracted to blacks almost as much as I am attracted to Lyle.Instagram-comments-sama, whose incomparably forceful hate messages crushed my ass-womb entirely to the point I cannot bear Solomon-sama's children anymore like I wished to.Genes-sama, for they ruined my chances from birth, compared to the superior genes of my MASTERS.Waterweight-sama, whose power I am scared of (I hope he doesn't kill my bodybuilding career, but I am also too scared to help it…)"
>>76698035Now wait a minute Mike nooooo!! Mike nooooooooooooooooo!!!!Greg Douchette about to make like 100,000 more hamstring curl scream fart noise lat spread videos.
>>76698101A sektur reference in 2025? We're back bros
>>76698005>out of nowhereReally?I even spelled why I think you sound like a shill out for you. Don't pretend like it was for no reason.>and you haven't even tried to challenge me on why waiting is a bad ideaI literally agreed with you on not being able to draw any certain conclusion with limited data.I just said that there's nothing to wait for because anything you can wait for isn't going to change anything, and we already have enough information to draw limited conclusions on.Here are the facts:>solomon made a video showing how terrible the thesis is>mike and milo cane out saying that solomon's video isn't about the actual thesis and only on a rough draft>the supposedly real thesis had sketchy metadata (by itself not hard evidence)>mike comes out and admits that solomon's video was on the real thesis (validating all its criticisms), which means that the defense was a lieAll of this we don't require any speculation on, and it's the bulk of the problem.The only thing I'm speculating about is where the second thesis from the (confirmed dishonest) defense comes from.So now the options are:>the second thesis, which has been distributed as part of a defense that was confirmed to be a lie, has an older date than the now-confirmed final version but has a lot of errors fixed, and has Mike's marketing agency as its creator, is actually real despite the contradictory information about it (mainly it being an improved version that is still older than what was submitted as the final)or>they hastily corrected it just to pretend solomons's version wasn't the final one (a confirmed lie)Either of them changes very little about the core issue, and is an irrelevant detail about a now-confirmed irrelevant pdf, and as I said, we can't know for sure, but if there was a detail making the first one the truth we would've gotten it by now.1/2
>>76698005There's no statement to wait for. Mike already made the statement here >>76697617 and there's no reason for him to start dissecting his own lie just to save face on which part of the lie is true, so in lack of complete information, the only possible statement we can make is an opinion, and in my opinion it's the second option and only a shill wouldn't think that the first option isn't absurdly unlikely.>It seems like too much work to have happened in such a short timeUnless they got a group of people to do it for them, which is consistent with the hypothesis of the marketing firm doing it for him.Also the second document is a mess. Half of it is a real PDF and the other half is scanned images, which is again, consistent with it being a hastily put together edit.>mike could have just refused to provide receipts and no one would have caredThe video has over a million views and people all over the Internet are talking about it.He might've panicked or might've thought that the second thesis attempt would be better than ignoring it (which a lot of people would've seen as a tacit admission that Solomon's video is correct, meaning that the very foundation of Mike's reputation would be invalidated).>and would be too easy to prove as fabricatedIsn't this exactly what happened?"he wouldn't do that, it would be too risky" isn't an argument because we don't know how risk-averse he is usually, and especially in a SHTF situation like this.You're making completely baseless assumptions on what he would or wouldn't do.>Since I know my assessment of likelihood is dogshit, it's easier for me to not give an opinion.And everything you say just happens to be in favor of the extremely unlikely set of coincidences that favor Mike.>now you've made the conversation about who I am instead of what the evidence saysWe've already gone over the evidence, and you're ignoring it just to defend him, which is why I'm saying that you sound like a shill.2/2
IT'S MOTHERFUCKING UP!!!!! THE LYLEGOD HAS SPOKEN!!!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-Rg0qSfmJ8You know Lyle has just been sitting there wringing his hands waiting for the final shoe to drop so he could start taking big ass diarrhea dumps on Mike again.
>>76698121>>76698123Not the anon you're responding to but since you seem to be invested in this was Mike's fake "actual corrected document" confirmed a forgery? Couldn't he get his PhD revoked for academic fraud for that?
>>76697702these guys suck at internet grifting, they make it so obvious its the marketing company dictating what narrative they all are suppose to run
>>76698137I'm only invested in arguing with the retard. I'm literally only here for the lulz, hence my first post in the discussion being >>76697733 where I point out the funny blunder.>>76698137>was Mike's fake "actual corrected document" confirmed a forgery?Like I said in my post, it wasn't confirmed, but it would take a very unlikely combination of coincidences for it to be real with all the facts considered.I go into detail in the post. Not going to repeat everything here.>Couldn't he get his PhD revoked for academic fraud for that?Don't know. If so, it might be why he decided to come clean.
It's over bros, he got buckbroken
>>76696668fuck, nice digits bro
>>76698077 (checked) (kek'd)
>>76698188What's up with the dick rider? Dr. Kike will always be Dr. Kike, even if he looses his PhD.
>>76698573Don't forget, he's worth a lot of money to his marketing firmThey will be botting his replies to sow favourable opinions
>>76698162>I'm literally only here for the lulzYou wrote fucking 4000 characters of straight seething
>>76698625Seething about the retard arguing with me with absolute bullshit. Much like I'm seething right now about your retarded post.I'm going to bed now. Will seethe some more tomorrow.
>>76697642Better yet, supposedly (ie he said she said, take it with a grain of salt), someone at ETSU saw the obviously doctored "corrected" version and the university threatened legal action (pretty sure that in extreme circumstances they can even revoke the PhD title), so he was forced to concede that Solomon was actually right
>>76698188>full accountabilityIn other words, he'll now try another angle of bullshit his marketing team have come up with to deal with this shitshow
>>76698121>mike comes out and admits that solomon's video was on the real thesis (validating all its criticisms), which means that the defense was a lieI've already spent a long time arguing in favour of solomon's original video, and the fact that it was uploaded at all reflects poorly on the academic standards of the institution.That is not the same as claiming he deliberately forged the new report to combat criticism, which seems incredibly unlikely given how he admitted solomon's version is the correct one with essentially 0 pushback or scrutiny.>So now the options areHalf of this shit is irrelevant and it's entirely possible that the two documents represented two different submissions or that the date on the uncorrected version wasn't later changed to represent some other significant milestone for the thesis (i.e. the date it was uploaded to the internal system).As I'm aware, there's literally no information available about what the corrected document is supposed to be or where it supposedly came from (besides vaguely doctor mike). With more information, you could actually guage whether it's likely to be real or not, but you're massively speculating given extremely limited information.>Unless they got a group of people to do it for them, which is consistent with the hypothesis of the marketing firm doing it for him.I disagree. Even with multiple people, it's likely too much work.>He might've panicked or might've thought that the second thesis attempt would be better than ignoring it He waited multiple days to respond. This is incoherent with reality.>Isn't this exactly what happened?What happened? No one proved the second document wrong. A handful of grifters made "hmmm sussy baka" videos about the metadata to farm clicks but as I am aware of there's nothing that indicates the actual source of the document is suspect and no one has presented any clear scrutiny of the new content in his "corrected" copy of the document.
>>76698123>And everything you say just happens to be in favor of the extremely unlikely set of coincidences that favor Mike.BECAUSE I'M RESPONDING TO SOMEONE WHO THINKS THE EVIDENCE IS DECISIVE IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION YOU STUPID CUNT.Do you think I'd be saying anything like this if you hadn't already presented a comprehensive summary of why the 2nd document is suspect? If there was something I thought you were missing, I would have mentioned it myself but this line:>>the second thesis, which has been distributed as part of a defense that was confirmed to be a lie, has an older date than the now-confirmed final version but has a lot of errors fixed, and has Mike's marketing agency as its creator, is actually real despite the contradictory information about it (mainly it being an improved version that is still older than what was submitted as the final)Already contains 100% of the evidence in favour of the 2nd document being fake.What am I supposed to say that you haven't said already dumbass? Am I supposed to just sit here wanking you off until your nuts feel balanced? We are having a disagreement, I am presenting information which is relevant to the conversation that forms the basis for my disagreement.Holy fucking shit is this your first ever conversation? Do I have to post the fucking sally anne test?
>>76698188Was anyone stream sniping this or is there an archive? I want to see what his cope was.I would've been fine if he just said "getting all the subjects to do all that shit was the bulk of the project, I presented and defended my work to the faculty of Gudger College where I ran the study and was awarded my PhD, I've forgotten about that shit since it was 12 years ago, hope you'll judge me on my content now and have grace for some less than stellar performances in my past." Instead it looks like he's created some massive web of lies just to avoid getting heemed by Lyle McDonald and roped in a bunch of other scam Youtubers to further the grift.
>>76698692I'm not going to waste any more time explaining basic logical fallacies to you, probably for no reason considering the possibility that you might not even be sincere and all of this might just be bait, or obviously shilling.Declare victory or whatever. I'm going to bed soon and I don't care enough about convincing you to also waste tomorrow.You're a retard and everything you say just so happens to be for the extremely unlikely set of coincidences that favor Mike.Even his friends who've defended him have backed down and are saying things in line with what I'm saying.I deeply regret wasting the time it took me to even read your posts.Goodbye shill/retard/both.
>>76698723The only relevant logical falacy is ad homonem by which I mean you're a faggot who has no idea what a logical fallacy is.Nothing I've presented is unreasonable or unlikely, and you haven't even tried to present any reason to believe why that would be the case.You're so fucking blindered on the claim that the 2nd thesis is fake that you don't even realise I'm in 99% agreement with you dumbass - even without the errors the thesis is still bad, and reflects poorly on mike. The fact it's on an official database is fucking atrocious and most of those errors should have been caught before submission.Literally the only thing we disagree on is whether there's enough information to say decisively right now if the 2nd document is fake. That's it. Somehow this is so important to you that you'll spend an entire afternoon seething about it "for the lulz"
>>76698738Not reading
>>76698749Damn, that's crazy how even after writing a whole essay about how much you don't care you still couldn't help yourself
Can we get back to FART NOISE LAT SPREAD discussion please? Someone summarize or post Mike's insta live.
greg goddamn doucette is feasting
Eric Trexler spends an entire hour saying Mike's PHD is worthless (in a round about way)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MNedtTfSQo
>>76692807*Picture of his tanned back.**Fart sound effect.*
>>76692649lol he used AI to write that to appear smart, what a fucking negroid
>>76699097you're ESL.
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>>76699813RHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWW
>>76698573why’s a digital salesman have 24/7 threads on /fit/
