>>76693229
Bulking and cutting is recomping
What you're talking about tends to only work with drugs.

>>76693238
>maingaining only works for steroid users
alright bud

>>76693229
100% correct. For the love of god do not fall for "< 200lbs = victim weight" meme.

recomping doesnt work as a natty outside of your noob gains phase which ends after like 3 months

recomping only works with steroids via increasing dosages, or lowering then, and then upping them again


im so tired of the newfaggotry on this place im considering just not bother responding to any threads anymore

>>76693229
Ok, now tell us about your lifts. How much can you lift

thinly veiled rentb thread

>>76693238
Recomping is a meme, always bulk, never cut.

>>76693238
>Bulking and cutting is recomping
Bulking is getting fat.
Cutting is losing fat.
Muscle and fat are completely different tissues and independent of each other.
>>76693328
Natties can get fatter much faster in a bulk due to inferior macronutrient partitioning and a less anabolic metabolism, they also suffer the most when they do end up cutting since they can't just rely on exogenous hormones.
Enhanced bodybuilders don't have to bulk or cut either, but bulking and cutting are easier to get away with for enhanced bodybuilders who not only suffer the least during both but can also change their drug stack depending on any problems they encounter during each diet phase.

You will never be massively muscular as a natural if you're not already massive after 3 years of consistent training, no matter what your diet was like.
There are people in third world countries that look like bodybuilders eating less than 100g of protein a day and never even thinking about the amount of calories they consume.
SS victims exist for a reason, people greatly overestimate how muscular they get during a bulk, then wonder why they look like shit naked or where that muscle goes when they cut, it never was there in the first place.

What builds muscle is mechanical tension, as long as you are eating something and not auschwitz level of starved, which surely no one here is, you will not benefit from a bulk.
Almost no one is lean enough for recomping to be a problem and thus having to bulk.

IF you have any significant ammount of fat in your body you simply do not have to ever bulk, ever.

>>76693727
Bulking is a lot more than getting fat, muscle growth requires surplus.
Everything in this universe requires surplus of resources to grow.
When land was so free it was given away for free to peasants just so they'd farm under this flag and not another, people had 10+ kid families, now people can barely afford a 2 seat car and a dog in a rented apartment.

>>76693229
Just say you're a dyel who isn't committed to lifting

>>76693229
K. Post physique.

>>76693229
Good gif. I'm going to go cum to those animations of chun li snapping and even crushing men's heads between her thighs

>>76693863
>Bulking is a lot more than getting fat, muscle growth requires surplus.
Muscle does not require a "surplus", you are confusing energy requirements with energy intake requirements, there is a big difference.
Yes, muscles require at least some energy, and muscle growth does too.
But your fat stores are themselves a source of energy, and the average person has a tremendous amount of it.
You don't need to eat a surplus to build muscle just like you don't need to eat a surplus in order to repair all your other internal organs or your skin which are composed of proteins.

What's needed to build muscle is a stimulus.
If an untrained person eats a 500 caloric surplus rotting at home for years he will get fat and not build any muscle unrelated to the extra work that his muscles will have to do just to move around the extra weight while doing basic functions, the calories themselves aren't gonna stimulate anything.

The only stimulus that exists for hypertrophy is mechanical tension which kickstarts the addition of myofibrillar proteins which is what your muscles are composed of.
>Everything in this universe requires surplus of resources to grow.
Where do you think the protein and other nutrients you eat every single day goes towards?

There is no law being broken or physical impossibility here. Muscle and fat are composed completely differently, respond to hormones completely differently, require completely different nutrients to grow and atrophy/hpertrophy in completely different scenarios with near 0 correlation outside of extreme scenarios.

>>76694124
>y-you're wrong
>redditspace
I accept your concession, thanks for reminding me that I am right as I always am.
I know that you need to insert a space every time you gasp for air for some reason because you're a DYEL faggot, but what does this have to do with me.

>>76694129
Maybe this will be easier for you to understand:
Muscle growth requires energy, but even in a caloric deficit you are still eating calories, and the average adult has hundreds of thousands of calories worth of fat stored, there is no need for a caloric surplus ever unless that person is totally emaciated.
Body recomp does not break any law of thermodynamics, you're not getting something out of nothing, you are still eating calories and protein even in a severe deficit, and if you have enough bodyfat stored the energy coming from it will make up for any caloric deficit in your diet.

>>76694168
Won't read any of your drivel until you post your body with timestamps and post IDs referencing all of your posts.
And I'm not gay, so you have to look really good to convince me.

>>76693229
I prefer following unc gregs advice and mangaining. I can understand clean bulking but dirty bulking is 100% retarded

>>76694171
I know you read it all.

>>76694249
And I know the truth.

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thanks for the memories OP.

shit thread, op wont post fizeeke. natty is King

>>76693229
A post only a novice could earnestly make

>>76693229
TRVKE

>>76694168
So what do you look like. How big and strong

These fucking theories are worthless. How do you go from 140 to 210? How do you get big and strong? By eating a lot of food and lifting heavier and heavier. That's it. It's not complicated. There is this fucking giant problem with people in the middle of the IQ bulge trying to 'think' and coming up with these theories and completely losing sight of reality, prefering their theories to reality. In the Old Testament this is what was meant by idolatry. Falling in love with your own creations and ideas. It has taken a more abstract form now, but it's the same thing. Almost all modern people are extreme idolaters.

Is bulking good?

>>76695079
>How do you go from 140 to 210?

Not by bulking apparaently, just recomp and you'll magically get there.... lmao

>>76693229
>even slightly better results/pump will take your lifetime max higher
Then you can just cut after getting to your goal strength way faster.
>i get too fat
Youre finally carbed up and making gains, your fat cells rehydrated, you were always that fat. Being afraid to carb up for 1wk is gonna destroy your gains and youll never get to being able gain muscle without gaining fat youre basically cutting when lifting and gaining fat after every meal.

being lean is king. 15 inch arms lean look a lot better than 18 inch arms chubby. because that's what you are. you're not "builtfat" or "strongfat", you're chubby, chubs, stop coping. lose the weight and you'll look, feel and perform better.
lift hard and bulk for 1-2 years and cut to 10-12% then maintain for the rest of your life.
>b-b-b-but i NEED to torture myself in the gym for 10 years to eke out 10% more muscle!!!!!
you do you man. i got better things to do though.

>>76693229
bulkfags are easily the most annoying and insufferable part of the fitness community. They are completely adamant about how fatbulking is the only way to gain any significant amount of muscle and will call anyone who is lean and muscular a fraud.

>>76696932
You sound very small and weak

how to bulk or how to not bulk?

Sorry I'm not a woman. I'm okay with not looking aesthetic while I bulk for a few years (2 pounds a month)so I can mog you for the next decade.

>>76693229
very slow bulking (I guess no more than ~0.25kg mass gained a month) is probably the only way for a post-novice natural to reliably gain muscle w/o getting fat

>>76697442
You sound fat, low t and pussiestarved

Is bulking with 50kcal over tdee ok?

>>76695079
>How do I go from 140lbs to 210 lbs
By getting fat.
>>76696554
Missing the point this hard jfl.
>>76696555
>and youll never get to being able gain muscle without gaining fat
not how it works

>>76698382
>defying surplus/deficit
I mean more that you get more efficient at eiher so that you can gain size on a cut by refeeding more hourly and vuce versa. Impossible to be there at a constnt deficit or even consistently being under carbed/starvation mode and not maximizing time in bulk(what effective lean bulking actually is).

Ill find that i can be losing weight every week or 2 and put on muscle, because even 30min at a surplus can put muscle on but its more about being in one or the other mode as much as you have to before its less efficient(too much fat) or brings you down(excessive deficit). Its ofc best for oure strength to get fat flat out and often people shy away from this for so long that theyd be better off over 6mo to just have full retard fatso moded then you can cut and not have to minmax physique as much.

>>76694124
Tell me about nitrogen balance anon
Is a positive nitrogen balance necessary/beneficial for muscle growth, and can it be achieved without overeating? Does eating 36 eggs a day guarantee it..?

>>76698505
Look at ATP mollecule.

>>76693229
>I'm going to "recomp" by losing 20lbs of fat (which I could do on a 2-3 months cut) while gaining 20 lbs of muscle over the course of several years.
Who is the retard exactly?

>>76693229
Telling a dyel at 13% body fat to recomp to 8% body fat before gaining mass is retarded. That dyel will be skellymode before they look good. It's much easier to do a light bulk. The diet will be easier and the lean mass will be put on easier.

>>76698653
13% dyel is already a skeleton

>>76698624
Imagine not wanting to look good year round
The absolute state of SS victims

>>76693229
Man I love you little retards on /fit/
>Just build tissue out of thin air
Lmao

hey OP I read none of your shit
how long did it take you to bench 2pl8 and for how many reps can you do it?

>>76693229
This is true. I fell for this meme and just got fat.

You WILL get a lot stronger even if natty, but you look like shit so who cares? If you take drugs though the nutrition partitioning goes into muscles so you will look good.

how to BULK

how to BUULK?

>>76699092
>leanbulking is gay
Meh you have to actually go nuts for at least a few weeks to see your potential for muscle gain at your point in lifting(assuming good technique and programming) as noobgains are misleading you will make faster gains somewhere mid-lateish into lifting for various reasons, endocrine system(hormones) takes a while to upregulate to peak on a bulk and quickly goes to starvation mode which is why so many fail at leanbulking or stick to a program not gymratting while bulking which does have its own merits(strengthpeaking) but if physique is your goal or you just need size because youre all strength then its just easy as shit to outpace others who lift like a nerd.

>>76699763
Vits with fats, carbs all day always be lifting, protein a good bit all day but you need to be able to eat enough carbs so soda pwo. If you dirty bulk just do some program where youre fresh via doing the opposite of cramming a high intensity session into 1hr, dont need cns fatigue rest days if you can manage workload. Id throttle legs and core for if you eat too much as they are highly cns fatigue inducing, plus one session is like 1.5 bench sessions, 2 shoulder sessions, etc assuming youre lifting in a vacuum.

>>76698463
You are eating food in both a deficit and a surplus, there's no "refeeding" required since you are still feeding.
>under carbed
Nothing is stopping you from eating carbs in a deficit.
>starvation mode
if you aren't lean and you are eating on a deficit you are not starving.
The only thing that is "starving" in that scenario is your adipose tissue.

We can't even measure whether or not bulking is more effective than a deficit for building muscle in a RCT because basically every muscle size measurement we have conflates contractile tissue with internal muscle fat, intracellular water weight and extracellular water weight which are all impacted by one's diet.
We can however look at the mechanisms and trials using beginners who have a lot of muscle to gain and thus making it easier to detect differences between different groups eating different diets to see for ourselves that there is no real reason why we can't gain muscle without gaining fat and that it is even realistic for someone to gain muscle on a deficit unless he is really lean, like single digit bodyfat% levels of lean.

I don't understand your second paragraph.
>>76698505
A positive nitrogen balance is just a positive protein balance.
It can be achieved without overeating yes, positive protein balance isn't just impacted by your diet and since we are only interested in muscle then we can look at muscle protein balance which the result of muscle protein synthesis minus muscle protein breakdown.
> Does eating 36 eggs a day guarantee it
You could eat as many calories and protein as you want and still be in a negative nitrogen balance.
The stimulus for muscles to grow or even maintain is mechanical tension, you load muscles with exercise, if you aren't loading your muscles enough it doesn't matter what you eat you will not grow and theoretically there is a limit to how much you can grow too so even if you do everything right you will eventually just maintain.

>>76693300
And dyels still in their beginner gains phase, who tend to be the loudest proponent of maingaining.

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>>76693229
bulking is good for you