I’m actually distressed that some of the most famous physiques, even dream physiques I’ve been chasing for years, are unattainable without PEDs/TRTLike I’m really fucking upset currently.
>>76702238Happens to everyone. Just don't nuclear and be the guy who flips out about "ROIDTRANNIES". If you want to stay natty Lyle Mcdonald is probably the only internet personality you should listen to for training and diet advice because almost everything he talks about is through that lens and probably why there's such a huge disparity between him and other fitness "gurus".
>>76702238trt doesnt get a you "dream physique". They're just lying about how much steroids they taket. takes steroids
>>76702247That asian guy with the fucked up last name, Sean nawkkowkakcly is cool too, doesn't preach insane shit and is always levelled with natty approaches
>>76702238Frank Yang is natty
why? just blast gear
>>76702259That guy is on roids too lol
>>76702238Who are your dream physiques, anon?Mine have always been the Troy, Casino Royale and Starlord physiques, which probably were acheived with PEDs but are absolutely achievable natty by a normal guy who isn't trying to get in shape for a movie that's shooting in 6 weeks.Any bigger than those kinds of bodies and it's pretty obvious PED use is gonna be essential.
The natty limit was discovered in the "Bronze Era" of bodybuilding and even then genetics still plays a major role. Anyone bigger or leaner with the same mass than this guy is juiced to the fucking gills
>>76702275Because you only live once and I’m scared shitless of possibly fucking myself in the long term.>>76702285Mine were Zyzz, the Hodge Twins and Jeff Cavaliere when I was a kid.
>>76702238Im natty >>7670230550% bf ain't the peak lol
>>76702238Physiques like picrel are absolutely attainable natty, but not for the average joe
>>76702371Zyzz is acheivable natty, he just wanted to get there as quickly and easily as possible cos he's an arab and arabs have a very hard time gaining muscle and wanted to get started on the whole shagging ravesluts thing asap.Hodge twins would require a lot more work and are both pretty fat now, since getting genuinely huge is hard to do while staying lean if you're not on PEDs.Jeff Cavaliere is probs on PEDs too staying that lean all year round. His size is achievable natty, but he's unhealthily lean for long term.
>>76702392no it's not
I'm more annoyed at the lenses and video tricks youtubers use, and I don't even mean fitness influencers. I watch videos of parkour and diving athletes and some of them looked pretty jacked. One video they measured their arms for fun and the biggest arm was like just over 15 inches. In the videos you'd think they have to be 16 inches at least. Everything you see online is fake, even if it's not intentional.
>>76702388>50% bfyou have body dysmorphia
>>76702388>>76702238post body
>>76702238>muh fizeeksYou sound like a literal faggot therefore I'm glad you're upset
what keeps me awake at night is that the future generations might end up having access to some magic pill with relatively safe profile a la ozempic, but for muscles
I don’t have a dream physique because even ignoring PEDs aren’t you never going to look quite like someone else due to genetics (frame, insertions, etc.)? Imagine working hard for years to look like someone else and when you finally get close it turns out that your last or whatever just aren’t shaped like his.
