magic cult rising

>>76705200
Everyone I know who lifts is a meathead anyways. Science based shit is only relevant for the terminally online, or people who don’t lift.

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>>76705200
Source?

>>76705200
>>76705216
Jeff is such a poor retard dweeb lol he always throws himself under the bus to get the validation of his buttbuddies and it always ends with him not only losing credibility but also said companions always disassociate with him even as a joke.
He pretends to be a good sport but it's only a facade for his servile and docile manners. He 100% used to suck up to the "cool kids" who bullied him in school thinking it's the way to climb up social rankings.

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>>76705216
>Using Reddit-brained as an insult
heh...ironic

>>76705200
Good riddance

>>76705200
Based Solomon Chadson

>>76705271
Holy kek if that's a true screencap then ngl nipples is quite funny

>>76705271
I dismissed Jeff and Mike so long ago but it's still satisfying watching them destroy their own fake credibility.

It's obviously a nonsense naming convention, but exactly is "science based lifting"? Is there an actual movement behind it or is it code for "people we don't like"?

New Solomon video is actually brutal. The man knows how to write a video script I’ll say that much.

>>76705342
Umbrella term for morons who believe that biomechanics and physiology and "exercise science" in general is on par with mathematics and economics and biology in terms of objectiveness hierarchy.
It also groups anyone who heavily involves the aforementioned disciplines in their training. Basically anyone who backs their opinions on lifting and exercise with useless papers he hasnt even read with unreplicable results.
Imagine if boxing or rugby had mentally ill bullied weebs who come up with shitty studies to prove x style of fighting or y game plan is more likely in a hypothetical controlled scenario to win and religious defend said papers and science like gospel and ignore the trial and error of hobbyists and the decades of figuring shit out.
It's not even reinventing the wheel anymore it's like trying to convince people to start writing calendar dates on base 30

>>76705200
>try something fitness
>observe results
>adjust program/diet accordingly
>immediately die as I've performed science based fitness

>>76705342
retarded meatheads who dont think good getting mad at smart guys making big gains using research

Nippard and Israetel are too big too fail. Well maybe not Israetel. He seems like one bad injection away from having a mental breakdown and becoming a fitness lolcow.
But the most likely scenario is that Mike and Nippard comments are filled with like 30% former fans and critique, and they maybe even make apology, but they continue to get views and money

My only problem with the science based lifting downfall is that I’ve seen a ton of bro science, other random shitty fitness program, meh YouTubers using this as an opportunity to pile on and gain clout Meanwhile some of them also have shit Info and programs.

I think something about the science based lifting crowds “I’m smarter than you and if you disagree you’re an idiot” energy pissed off way more people than I thought

>>76705407
Israetel is the future blaha

>>76705216
> that intro
lmao, been a long time since I've seen Lord Bogdanoff R.I.P

>>76705342
predictions of the standard model of particle physics is accurate to six sigma. other softer sciences thinks they can ride on the coattail of that success and try to pass off science (tm) as this huge monolithic thing

>>76705216
The guy who made these videos is just as smug and even more pretentious than the science based crowd. How the fuck is he getting away with it?

>>76705429
>How the fuck is he getting away with it?
He has an English accent, and he has the intellectual look down.
Someone more pretentious will have to come for him.

>>76705429
This, him and israel's buttbuddy have the same stuffy nerd "punch me in the face" voice and demeanor. They both speak normally outside of their shitty essays. At least Lyle has the cojones to be a total schizo and sperg out mid-point

>>76705216
This cheeky OZ cunt is a legend for this
I genuinely hope he topples these two fraudulent midgets over and that it marks the start of a new golden era of youtube fitness

Can we get rid of Scott the video guy next?

>>76705429
Because so many people are sick and tired of Israetel that an honest, valid and thorough critique of his "work" (spitting out 500 videos a month on repetitive, redundant garbage filled with gay sex jokes and shilling his useless app) is more than welcome.
Israetel is very clearly a grifter. It's obvious to anyone with a modicum of social IQ that he is nothing more than an insecure, ugly manlet kike that cheated and lied to get anywhere in life because he is so utterly unremarkable in every domain and metric.
Is this an American thing, being unable to read people? It was obvious to me within minutes of watching his content that he was a faker, a liar, a grifter with severe neuroses. His ticks, his body language, his word choice, the things he talk about all paint a clear image of a manipulative, lying, fraudulent steroid user. It comes as no shock that his "PhD" was an unintelligible heap of flaming garbage and it was delicious to see a meticulous autist like Nelson take it apart piece by scrumptious piece for our greatest pleasure.
Hopefully next it's revealed that his "black belt" in BJJ is also a fraud.
Fuck Israetel, fuck Nippard, fuck Dr. Pak, fuck Milo Wolf and fuck all these "science based" grifters. Let their bubble burst and their careers crash.

>>76705200
This little fake natty faggot needs to die!

>>76705468
Mike israel is a nobody his content is propped up by bot. His following is blown out of proportion and inorganic.
Just look at his instagram page, every post has like 200 comments at most, mostly indians and bots and burner accounts. By raw numbers (aka bots not taking into account), jeff is the current "big thing". No one watches mike other than people who hate him. He's literally no one. His internet presence is a Psyop. Wake up, he's not famous.
Internet is a large scale decades long social experiment. Of course they're going to push one of their own as a plant to create fake outrage, this has been planned for decades.

>>76705468
BASED

>>76705468
Based af. A lot of their content isn't even science based, it's just their opinion but they say it's backed by science. Bunch of fags

Damn, Solomon is mad as fuck in this video. And rightly so.

Jeff is a two faced manlet snake. Everyone in the “science based” community is it seems. Lyle was right, bros were right, spiritually pencil necked dweebs need to be hounded from the industry.

>>76705216
>actually added production value to his videos
Eternal Lyle reich

The reason I don’t mind Solomon sounding like an asshole Brit is that he’s pretty much correct the whole time. I imagine if I regular watched his videos I’d come to hate him but these 2 videos are fine.

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sorry chuddy, SBL is the way of the future

>single joint movements
>4-6 reps MAX
>1 set only
>isometrics

bang

The entire ad based content creation paradigm is a grift that incentivizes creators to churn out video after video. the science guys just slap a label of authority on it.
if you step back and look at the underlying methodology abstratly both science and experience are just search and optimization processes that have converged on roughly the same small set of facts and all susceptible to the same failure modes (anecdotal evidence and small sample size)

just fucking lift and eat your creatine and ignore the new FOMO vids that come out every week

>>76705513
Their commonly parroted advice is often times just bad. It's died down a little now, but at one point the common consensus was that volume is king, so they were recommending retarded levels of volume, like 52 sets a week per muscle lmfao

>>76705200
>"science based"
Manlet #1
>0 credentials
>0 published and peer reviewed studies
>0 contributions to the exercise science field
>plans to self fund studies (lmao) in his private bunker
Manlet #2
>constantly brags about his PhD
>turns out the paper could've been written by a special needs high schooler
>0 published and peer reviewed studies
>0 contributions to the exercise science field
>failed bodybuilder
>failed BJJ competitor
>only strategy to garner views is to leech off of other big channels and to ridicule himself constantly and to pump out a thousand videos per week
>looks absolutely grotesque, completely disfigured by roids
>will likely be dead before 50

Why the fuck would the "science based" community prop these guys up and not actual scientists like Helms or Norton? I know they're assholes but at least they're actual scientists

>>76705523
That whole saga was retarded. Especially since IIRC the evidence just showed it had roughly the same hypertrophic effect as higher intensity low volume programs. So they were essentially saying spend more time in the gym lifting lighter weights just to look as good as someone who spends less time in the gym lifting heavy ass weight.
Great idea guys, waste more time just to look like a weak bitch.

>>76705561
It's also ironic coming from the crowd that's so scared of creating "fatigue". It certainly is fatiguing to do tons and tons of junk volume

>>76705561
>just showed it had roughly the same hypertrophic effect as higher intensity low volume programs.

this should be the only thing you take away

>do the exercise in a moderate rep range
>progress the weight when you can
>repeat

if anything there should be more of a push to divide the advice given between natty and roided lifters because good advice for natty lifters will work for roided ones but not the other way around, instead when you get advice from roiders they feed you a bunch of bullshit that won't work like the high volume low weight stuff, pump and squeeze, etc etc

getting bigger as a natty requires getting stronger, period

>>76705585
No, getting bigger as a natty requires 52 sets a week and for you to download my macro tracking app

>>76705555
The whole space is full of grifters, douchette and his sand roider. Plus guys like attia in the adjacent health space (invested in and shills garbage like athletic greens ag1, which was started by a criminal)

The North American Fitness "Science" Cult cannot handle the POWER of a single Australian TF2 player.

>>76705585
Dorian Yates funny enough has the most useful routine to copy for natty lifters if you wanted to copy his program wholesale. But these days he couches all his advice by saying natty lifters straight up can't do high volume shit or they'll burn out and to not listen to other retarded high volume roid monkeys.

>>76705216
>>76705442
At first I thought it was a mistake that he hit Nippard next but I realized that it was the right decision. He has a ton of momentum right now on the criticism of science based advice (probably the highest it will ever get). If he hit Nippard at a later time, he might get more backlash than if he did it sooner because is more likable to normies.

Now that he's out of the way, we might see hit pieces for Milo Wolf, Pak and Schoenfeld next and I can already assume that the Milo Wolf critique is gonna be extremely well received from listeners.

>>76705216
he became a fully nasty beast

20 bucks says Solomon is or was a /fit/ poster.

>>76705774
He knows

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPBG4WXuevk

>>76705801
lmao he's ripping the incels on /fit/ to shreds and people think he's on their side. Israetel is much closer to /fit/ spiritually

>>76705342
redditors who want to use the credibility (for normies) of "SCIENCE™" to their 'brand' of influence lifting.

>>76705271
it's no wonder he got choke slammed

>>76705342
it's an actual movement that at it's core is supposed to be based off of real studies and science related to weightlifting.
Thinks like rep count, rating of precieved exertion, range of motion, negative and positive eccentrics etc. But it has kind of gotten out of hand. There was once upon a time a lot that roiders and science based lifters agreed upon which is most of what i stated as examples of "science based" but since science based has blown up in recent years it kind of jumped the shark and influencers like mike and jeff have run out of content because the fitness industry in reality does not make breakthroughs that quickly. There was a point in time jeff nippard promoted compound movements, especiallt for beginners but nowadays he says isolation movements are way better which is a half truth. Compound movements work multiple muscles groups you're body needs blood pumping to those muscles for then to contract and grow and tear to make new fibers.
more muscles being worked at once = more blood flow = more muscle growth. Nowadays he says you should work iso more than compound which makes 0 fucking sense for putting on musckes especially fast

>>76705512
i want to kill this guy in the video

>>76705888
basicallt this wouldnt be happening if they just accepted rhe facts that lifting isnt some super hardcore rocket science like they're making it out to be but many people are taking the bait displayed because they're too lazy to sort throught the bullshit themselves or just not smart enough to.
Jeff nippards body recomposition book is probably the most useful book i can think of for absolute complete beginners who have 0 fucking idea what they're getting into and if you're just doing this ti be healthy; is likely all the knowledge you're gonna need as it literally covers the technicalities of diet & exercise basics. with that information you can figure out workouts on your own and what you want your routine to be / look like. But you're average person wants results NOW, RIGHT NOW. and because of that current day """excercise science""" is maximizing on that

>>76705429
Because science is meant to be critiqued and should stand up to scrutiny and questioning. If it can't, it's not science. Including the people doing the science to make sure they aren't liars and are trust worthy.

Scientists would want more intelligent good skepticism aimed at them to make sure they should be trying to figure out why the current idea is wrong so they can come up with better ideas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1cNaFG1VII

The whole "science lifting" industry seems to be full of midwit jews with fake diplomas lol altho the guy who finally exposed kike israetel is also called "Solomon" so I guess he was the good jew there.

>>76705429
I can't sit through those fucking videos, whether he makes any good points or not. He is an annoying, pedantic cunt.

>>76705468
>Hopefully next it's revealed that his "black belt" in BJJ is also a fraud.
i keep forgetting he's a bjj black belt bexause you literally never see him roll ANYWHERE just that one time some bjj youtuber covered it and that was it
one and done

>>76705429
He's grifting off Lyle.

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>>76705555
>completely disfigured by roids
It's actually balding that really killed him. It exposed that weird fucking skull he has.

>>76705946
He’s pretty much Lyle’s’ Milo Wolf (Mike’s butt buddy underling) when you think about it

>>76705429
Because he's correct.

Literally nothing is more reddit than nippard

>>76705468
>Is this an American thing
>israeliteli

>>76705496
There is no such thing as science based lifting. Read one paper on it and you'll realize that

>>76705429
Because, at the end of the day they're all egotistical knobheads but only one group is actually correct.

>>76705468
>>76705921
wait how the fuck is he a black belt bjj
wasn't it proven his cardio is extremely shit in that navy seal training vid, don't you need a proper gas tank to roll for black belts

>>76705200
Wild. Just a while ago when he got punched, I was defending him.

Now he's fully shown his true colors as the pathetic and immature snake that he is. Fucking retard jumping with joy like an autistic child until the (((draft))) was proven true.

Where are you now Nippler? How far will YOU fall into becoming "parasocial anti fan" of Solomon, the actual scietist, until you wake up?

>>76706056
All of them reacted defensively. Milo, Pak, Nippard and those who were platformed by RP such as Mitch Hooper.
Those who are against Israetel are Lyle, the drama fitness tubers like Doucette/Revival Fitness/Bromley and brolifters like GVS and the noble natties.
The only one who stands out here is Alphadestiny who is in both camps. He was in 1 RP episode and he is also lumped in the noble natty crew.

>>76705512
>calf raise
>seated
kwab

>>76705774
If you know about Bogdanoff and use it in a video you're most likely a 4channer, there's no two ways about it

>>76705468
Start a youtube channel

>>76705585
This reminds that roider often advocate for extreme bulk and cutting which is one of the worst things you can do as natty lol. You'll just get fat and ruin your metabolism becoming powershitter at best in process most likely with lot a of visceral fat.

>>76705429
Because he's right.

>>76706150
It's not seated, his knees are straight

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The cult has devoured too many souls to die out quick.

>>76706404
Liver King and Blaha still have an audience and fanboys. There's a lot of guys raised by single moms that crave these parasocial youtube father figures.

>>76706117
God I hate this man so much.

>>76706117
omg he has a scratchy in his neck

>>76705200
I think the whole "Jeff gets beat up" debacle had one correct point from roided up meatheads - if "science based" lifting is so good, why did none of you achieved anything in BB or powerlifting? Those who can't, teach, i guess.

The other obvious flaw is that they flip-flop constantly. Oh, this year it's all about partials and drop sets. Wait, those aren't good and you won't recovered, gotta go slow on the negative. But ACTUALLY slowe negative isn't beneftitial either. Or when Sam Sulek, the ultimate bro lifter got popular manlets started chirping "you see, his approach is actually very scientific" FUCK OFF.

While idgaf about Israetel's PHD debacle, it kinda showed how the whole field is barely a science where you can just claim whatever and nobody will correct you.

>>76706418
No you don’t

>>76705967
Not really. He keeps Lyles crazy ass on topic. Lyle is a fount of wisdom but also insane so he needs someone to reign him in.

>>76705216
Incredible takedown, but bro is seriously monologuing like a bad anime villain

>>76706570
That’s what makes it entertaining. If he spoke super casually and wasn’t verbose and overly dramatic the video would have been way less fun to watch.

Chiming in to say I just realised I havnt saw Greg douchettes name in a few months and that makes me happy

>>76706592
I think he did the thing with sardaukar chant at the end to make people realize the tone was mostly humorous.

>>76705858
>the incels on /fit/
>their side

Do you think you are an outside observer of a cohesive /fit/ in-group you are not part of while posting here yourself?

NPC trying to break fourth wall tier behaviour.

>>76705233
>Jeff is such a poor retard dweeb lol he always throws himself under the bus to get the validation of his buttbuddies and it always ends with him not only losing credibility but also said companions always disassociate with him even as a joke.
This. Jeff would've lost zero credibility if he had just shut the fuck up about Hussein Farhat and Mike Israetel. It's gotten to the point where, if he talks about the credibility of other fitness influencers, the opposite of what he says is likely true.

He batted 2-0 in this year alone.

>>76706024
some bjj places will literally gift black belts if you participate enough/have money

>>76705342
It's a result of right wing anti-intellectualism on the rise among zoomers. About 10 years ago guys like Jeff Nippard and Jeff Cavalier were the go-to guys for people getting into lifting. No one called themselves "science based lifters" until chud powershitters started using it as an insult.

>>76706859
Lol. Let's get beyond all the grievances. It's getting old. Everyone needs to stop being so easily offended. The dude has a PhD. He's smart. His stuff works. We are going to quibble about some mismatched tables? Move on.

>>76706665
I can see how the Light Yagami monologuing can come off poorly for people just tuning in, but after years of following the Lyle/Mike drama, it's glorious

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>>76706117
How has nobody made a jak of this yet

>>76705200
>the PhD being shit that anyone would get from requesting it, this is a trivial matter because who would care to request it?
>if 12 years pass, a PhD doesn't matter at all anymore
>it's petty to critique a PhD because PhDs don't matter
these would all be much more damaging than Israetel's mistakes, if it wasn't so obviously emotionally motivated

>>76706917
He's obviously retarded without his magical "ADHD" meds which is why he had to buy his PhD to convince retards like you there was anything going on in that horned kike skull of his.

The best part is that no one would have ever given a shit if he didn't go around yapping about how much of genius he was shitting on everyone who actually has progressed the field along the way.

>>76706024
Mikes most damning videos are the mk677 video:
>taking this stuff is safe, maybe you will get diabetes and/or cardiovascular problems, but you will gain 2-5lbs of muscle.
Yep that a reasonable traid off.

The navy seals video:
>mike can’t jump, can’t run, can’t do pull-ups, can’t do deadlifts, can’t do farmer walks and is ridiculously weak at bench pressing.
But he lifts for aesthetics.
>looks like shit

>>76706966
He's jewish, of course he's laughably bad at things that require willpower or strength.

>>76706592
Fair enough, it *was* fun to watch
Still, serious "I'm the main character" energy, even if it was on purpose

>>76706404
>I take full accountability
Then explain how milo was misled into believing that the doc you sent him was the final version, how your PR firm's fingerprints are all on the "final" version, and how that "corrected" version's datestamp was earlier than Solomon's original "draft"
>bro he said he took full accountability, stop pestering him it's over

>>76705216
Aight bout to watch this slop. My first question is why was Nipples a client of Solomon's? Nipples wanted legal advice? I'm on the edge of my seat.

>>76707054
In typical hebrew fashion, Mike tried at performative humility while also jewishly downplaying (or flat out ignoring re: the statistics fuckup) the charges.

The main issue is that "exercise science" is basically pseudoscience. There are so many confounding variables that any of their data is basically worthless beyond obvious statements like "this exercise will stimulate this muscle". And that's assuming no issues with replication and all that. But these "le science based lifting" midwits will do a pubmed search, cherrypick whatever BS article they need so they can shit out a video, and there you go.

I work in medicine, and even in that field, you can almost always find some BS paper with a pubmed search to validate whatever argument you're trying to make. This isn't proper though, because you're starting from a conclusion and then working backwards to just lazily find some trash-tier piece of "evidence" to back it up. But even here, you have plenty of brainlets who are the type of neurotic argumentative assholes who can never let themselves be wrong or lose an argument, and will religiously search to the ends of pubmed looking for dogshit papers just so they can say they're "right"

>>76706467
It's because lifting is actually really fucking simple. You pick things up and put them down, and then over time you get better at picking things up and putting them down. All the autistic arguments over this slight variation or that slight variation or 5 vs 6 reps really doesn't matter whatsoever compared to just being consistent. There's really nothing new under the sun when it comes to lifting.

Now sure, there's plenty of content you can create about lifting. But it's mostly content that applies to beginners, the meat and potatoes. Basics of how to be consistent with a program. Proper form for the main lifts. That sort of stuff. But the big issue is that this is all pretty much set and stone. These lifting 101 videos have been made a million times over. Once you make your videos on these topics, what do you do? The jewtube algorithm gods demand a constant stream of "new" content. So these soiencefags need to constantly reinvent the wheel for the same of pumping out videos.

>>76707180
>All the autistic arguments over this slight variation or that slight variation or 5 vs 6 reps really doesn't matter whatsoever compared to just being consistent.
And all you have to do to lose weight is not eat, but there are about 30,000 books about it. Most people don't have the intestinal fortitude to lift hard more than like three times if they "start working out", so they watch youtube instead.

>science based
Fitness advices is completely ruined other than looking at muscle groups and figuring out what machines and weights you can use to work out your muscles. Then figure out what machines, routines, and workouts you enjoy doing.

Every youtube video is an influencer scam that has no knowledge because they juiced.

>>76706917
>The dude has a PhD. He's smart.
Holy fuck, this has to be either b8, someone on mike's payroll or mike himself. The thing that's become completely apparent the last few days is that mike is a midwit at best and his emotional intelligence is well below average.

>>76707054
>>76707065
now that straight up forgery didn't work, he's trying to sweep it all under the rug as a simple misunderstanding
>Oh my bad it seems like there really was a mistake with the file versions. My bad my bad I should've labeled them better. This one's on me guys glad we could resolve this.
While completely ignoring the main issues (earning a PhD with a public school level dissertation and then trying to commit fraud).
And it's probably gonna work.

>>76705200
>The Science-based cult is dying in real time
Occult-based lifting chads, now's our time!

>>76707186
That's a really astute point, because a lot of the same issues extend to nutrition science. At least as far as long-term health outcomes of different diets, since it's impossible to actually control for diet and all other factors, especially over the course of the decades you would need to observe in order to see outcomes in lifespan and quality of life later on.

>>76707189
I'm so grateful I got into lifting in the early 2010s. We still had zyzz. We had actually funny videos from Dom. We had elliott showing us how to breathe through our balls. The youtube lifters from the time put out no-bullshit videos about things like how to squat/bench/etc with good form.

Pretty sure if I were a zoomer who got into lifting now, I'd be psyop'd into being a perma-DYEL because every week I'd see some new SCIENCE-BASED! lifting video that tells me to completely drop what I was doing last week and do this whole new program instead with a dozen gay cable variations per session, and then next week it'd be a totally new thing all over again, and I would just end up never getting past noob gains.

>>76706966
that his bench press is so ridiculous is particularly funny because back when RP was selling training programs (before the app release, i suppose) they used to define an experienced lifter as someone who was able to do 225x10
https://web.archive.org/web/20221005220912/https://www.rpstrength.com/male-physique-training-templates
> Advanced (bench more than 225x10)
> Novice/Intermediate (bench less than 225x10)

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Aight finished watching the slop video. Nippard is a retard for releasing a garbage unscientific program and a bigger retard for soliciting paid consulting from some random ass 20-year-old faggot. Nippard was 100% right about turkesterone being sawdust and Solomon looks like a vindictive cunt.

Hope someone will revisit the "I had steroids shipped to my house but I never used them" saga. That never made any fucking sense, like Peyton Manning's wife ordering 1k IUs of HGH for her "beauty regimen."

>>76707158
It is a legitimate science, the problem is that it's like 95% figured out. We know exactly how to train for strength, hypertrophy, endurance etc, nutrition is basically a solved equation at this point, how exercise transfers to sports is more or less clear by now
What remains is basically just minutiae. And so the "science based lifting" guys have to regurgitate content or exaggerate fairly insignificant stuff ("this SUPERIOR row variation stimulates your RHOMBOIDS 11% more!!!1!")

>>76705200
No one cares.

>>76705407
>too big too fail
That's not what that means

>>76707323
>"this SUPERIOR row variation stimulates your RHOMBOIDS 11% more!!!1!"
Which doesn't even matter unless you're trying to save 10 minutes a week. The balance between work and recovery is probably the least solved thing in muscle building, still somewhat solved. It's not like people need to know how to do more of either, just the balance.

The bench program is the one thing that I think was quite overblown; 85%x6x4 is a hard training session, but by no means impossible (or maybe I'm just a weak faggot idk)

>>76705429
All three of them are insufferable in their own way.

>>76706467
>one correct point from roided up meatheads - if "science based" lifting is so good, why did none of you achieved anything in BB or powerlifting? Those who can't, teach, i guess.
Jeff pointed to CBum's coach as someone who didn't amount to much on his own but found success training others. That's when the bald faggot got upset because he can't really give a response to that.

>>76707340
It's impossible if you actually know what your max bench press is lmao.

>>76706966
>cant do pull ups
>literally the most essential calisthenic exercise

>>76705216
after watching the video fully, I did notice that Solomon definitely declare at one point that Mike DID do a coverup on the PhD thesis uploaded to ETSU. I think Solomon, as a law student himself, is trying to bait Mike and co into suing him as a way to kick off his career. I wouldn't be surprised if he was planning this for a while and just used this drama as a way to do that. No way would he leave himself up to a lawsuit as a law student (very smart one at that) unless he was doing it knowingly on purpose. Even Greg doucette had to say it was a maybe at best to preemptively protect his Jewish ass.

>>76707257
>Solomon looks like a vindictive cunt.
The term is Australian

>>76707216
I started watching the Tren Twins and their videos are so fucking refreshing. just fucking lift HARD. You don't even need to be on gear to appreciate their videos.

>>76706467
And the thing about Sam is he's actually very smart. Bro is in college for engineering and is honors roll while having a supposedly solid portfolio. A lot of gym bros are actually like this. Very smart in both education and gym. It just so happens they're more focused on gym activities and have a bombastic personality that makes them look like they're just Meatheads. Also taking steroids too.

>>76707039
He's a law student bro.

>>76707365
There seem to be some people who just suck at maxing out compared to repping, so they can do more at a higher percentage than you’d expect.
Depends on how you look at it, it’s either a deflated max relative to potential or increased rep strength compared to the norm.
I could get at least 2 sets of 6 at 85% of my squat “max” but I’m bad at bracing so my max is just kinda dogass

I may have missed it but did Jeff make public statements BEFORE he reached out to Solomon? I feel like if Jeff just messaged Solomon beforehand (and didn't take the tone of a BPD woman) all of this could've been avoided for him at least. If he made the public comments first then Solomon releasing the DMs are fair game i think

It's fucking hilarious how all these retards like Milo and Jeff had to do was shut the fuck up and ignore this drama, but no, they had to dicksuck the fat manlet, they just HAD to.

>>76707158
>>76707323
Basically it's a bit of both. The science being done is EXTREMELY weak due to constraints on the research such as lack of proper test subjects. However I don't think the actual scientists practice bad science, they usually acknowledge the limitations. It's just that you end up with a science that yields almost entirely "nihilistic" results. Every research outcome seems to be "yeah it doesn't actually matter". It's honestly a bit insane, not to mention depressing, because this even happens when we reasonable would think something SHOULD matter. That's how most broscience and myths arose and got debunked. We get ideas about how our body works, it all sounds plausible and logical, and maybe there's some shit tier study on fat people backing it up. Then if you do a proper study on it it turns out to be bunk.
Exercise science does have a purpose in dispelling all the broscience and myths floating around, it's just that you end up with basically nothing but "lol pick up heavy weight, put down heavy weight"... And that certainly doesn't make for good youtube content.
That's how you get the science circlejerkers trying to make DA STRETCH DA SLOW ECCENTRIC a big thing based of insanely weak evidence, and then sheepishly saying "oh we were wrong woops xD" after it finally gets debunked.

Even though he also dabbles in SÖYence bullshit a lot, I actually kind of respect Jeff for being able to make content that is at least somewhat quality and occasionally original content, because it's kind of like trying to squeeze water from stone... Unlike Mike "let me make the 48th video about how ice baths don't do anything" Griftraetel.

>>76705216
Why would you not post a link?

>>76707480
nta but just type in the title it's not that hard

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>>76707200
What's your routine? Mine's full body monday-friday, blood sacrifices on weekends. When full moon is up, skip workouts, double sacrifices.

>>76707460
Well said, that's basically what I was trying to get at.
Although honestly I think I hate jeff the most out of any of the lifting youtubers. He's just such a faggot. He's the archetypal effeminate liberal canadian 'stupid science bitch' who also just so happens to lift weights. I don't care if it's irrational or petty, every time he opens his mouth or emotes, it just makes me want to punch him in the face, regardless of whatever he's saying. At least with kike israel, you get exactly what you should expect, a thoroughly disgusting odious jew golem.

>>76705200
It's funny because, like a month ago when he was defending roidtroons with science papers anon here mentioned how Jeff doesn't know how to read papers and the majority of his ideas are based on total bs science papers.
Now, suddenly, that idea, including other things, became fully mainstream.
Maybe this place does affect the internet.

>>76705233
He is to YouTube fitness what Sting was to the WCW. How many times can one fag be backstabbed before he realizes? I guess manlets truly never learn

>>76707365
I'm mostly saying that because my max is around 100kg and 85x5x4 is a hard, but doable workout, and I never feel like I can't possibly do one more rep, except maybe during the last set. So making it a 6x4 doesn't feel like too much of a stretch
But maybe I'm just underrating my 1RM because I suck at maxing out

>>76707753
As he pointed out in the video, if you give him the benefit of the doubt and say 85% works week three, then 72.5% week one is light.

WHY is Jeff so insufferable? SOMETHING about the voice, that face, his entire personality. It makes my skin crawl, I hate him on a visceral level and it's not related to height because there are plenty of manlet lifters and actors I do like. Simply seeing his face fills me with anger and revulsion, let alone footage of him where I can hear him speak

>>76705200
Thank GOD.

>>76705468
This, and Lyle is using this well spoken Aussie to destroy them

>>76707802
Same, I think it's because he's canadian. There's just something so insufferable and smarmy about him.

take this selfie, for instance:
>>76706117
He got shoved at the gym. He knows he's fine. He went to get a CT scan so he could take a selfie in front of it and play it up. It's completely ungenuine. He's just a fake guy.

>>76707802
He's a meek individual who hides behind "niceness" and being docile
he's not composed and civilized because he has a real motive or because it's his nature but because he's a manlet and would come accross as a sperg if he didn't pick literally any other persona

>>76707826
He would also 'h-hey GUY that's not cool!' over really soft edge jokes. Like really tame sexist jokes, or even a race one that would make fun of both whites and blacks but still grand stand and virtual signal over the bit about blacks being made fun of exclusively

>>76705512
Unbelievably retarded

>>76705271
why would solomon need to play off the hit piece? Whats wrong with calling out that faggot jew?

>>76705271
It seems he's not aware of the fact that he is Reddit personified when it comes to fitness

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>>76707802
he's very matter-of-fact
type person, he's this meme but muscular

>>76705725
?

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>>76705200
>tfw too smart for science based lifting

>>76705216
Oh no Help Bros I'm getting Thanos Snapped!!!!!!!!!!!

>>76707062
the midget couldnt even program right, solomon made videos about it, and after a while, solomon improved his programs privately

>>76705200
It's alive and well on tiktok. Zoomers have fully embraced FBEOD or U/L, they all take protein shakes and creatine at the minimum, they all do these new "optimal" exercises and use straps a bunch, most take other supplements, it's such an interesting divide in my local gym. Anyone above the age of 30 is still doing bro splits or PPL at best, doing a bunch of sets and reps, sometimes at a single machine for 20+ minutes. This new guy started about 2 months ago and went from doing two legged extensions at 80 pounds to full stacking and now single legged extensions for 130+ pounds. He's there every other day and he always does the same shit. Sometimes I'd see him twice in a row, blasts some tiktok music video through his headphones and moves on after 2-3 sets.
From what I've read in my spare time, most of the literature nowadays seems to agree with them but that's only because they hop on the latest trends. They were doing PPL a year ago, switched to U/L and now almost all do FBEOD. Just to be sure I asked and yes, they all watched the same tiktok influencers. I've watched some of their stuff and it's honestly mostly arguing with braindead commenters and silly drama revolving gimmick characters like Cookie Kang or whatever, but a few vids are informative.
The gains I'm seeing are sometimes 2X what we did growing up. One guy was there for a year and looks like a slimmer David Laid. Guys my age would default to assuming they're all on roids, SARMs or weird new peptides but honestly I think the up to date bodybuilding advice is so accessible to them thanks to this Chinese app that they are avoiding the years of trial and error we went through and are just gaining optimally.

>>76705888
>the fitness industry in reality does not make breakthroughs that quickly
That is odd considering when I was studying to become a personal trainer, the reading material stated that the amount of research studies on exercise doubles within like 2 years. Yet everyone still just kinda trains the same as they did 15 years ago.

>>76705370
I usually don't care for youtube drama but that hit piece was amazing
nippard btfo eternally

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>>76706024
He's got fine cardio

>>76706110
AlphaDestiny is also a fake natty and a wigger, no one cares what he says

>>76707825
>He went to get a CT scan so he could take a selfie in front of it and play it up. It's completely ungenuine
More accurately, it's extremely feminine

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>>76705506
"Pencil necked"
Eric Bugenhagen enjoyer identified

>>76708764
If all of the "research studies" are like Mike's phd then no shit everyone still trains the way they always have.
How many studies there are has no bearing on progressing the field if they're all bullshit.

>>76705960
>It exposed that weird fucking skull he has.

HGH horns?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rgtTMIZaiA

>>76705200
Solomon should critique Barbell Medicine and their stupid programs next. Or the starting strength dietary recommendations.

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>>76705200
>20 years of lifting for this
kek

I can listen to manlets. It's like everything they do or say is cope.

>>76707226
what is this about his bench press?
got a link?

>>76705433
Actually he is a based Aussie with a sophisticated Australian accent

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>>76706966
He's not weak at bench pressing though

>>76710240
sure. i've only heard about it a couple of days ago cause it's been a while since i've watched any of his videos. apparently he made a video with a former navy seal where they both do some sort of physical test with a bunch of different exercises. mike's performance was abysmal, and he tries to pretend throughout the video that he isn't taking the test seriously while making weird jokes.
here's a link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60vVC-L-KBY
he ends up looking like some fat kid that was forced to finally move a little in phys. ed.
he struggled to bench 240 for 2 - while muttering a pathetic "rack" calling for help at the end -, which is clearly below his own threshold for "advanced lifter"

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>>76705407
>too big too fail
>neither are taller than 5’4

You faggots are the same as old ladies watching a soap opera. Pathetic.

No, I won't watch your new grifter. Buy an add.

>>76706117
story

>>76707062
Jeff made workout programs where he recommended things like using your 5 rep max for 4 consecutive sets of 6 reps. Solomon criticized this so Jeff hired him to proofread a new plan he was working on so it didn't have other retarded shit like "casually do multiple sets of 6 with your 5rm"

>>76705342
look at studies to see which movements build the most muscle, do those movements, ditch variations that build less muscle

>>76705342
It's a cult of pseudo-scientists trying to push "the most optimal way" to get gains, citing papers that are dogshit that get disproven by another dogshit "scientific" paper. Good example is bulking/cutting vs maingaining. One flawed study and the cultists start pushing maingaining when bulk/cutting has been tried true for decades and actually builds appreciable gains.

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>>76707200

Here's some reading material.

>>76705888
Aren't the points against compounds that they:
>let weaker muscles limit the growth of larger muscles
and
>create more systemic fatigue
?
You can spam flyes more than you can spam heavy presses due to the load on the body being lighter. You can also put more load directly on the target muscle by isolating it which stimulates it better. I for example rarely feel much in my quads during squats because I'm limited in weight by various other muscles, but I feel a good quad stimulus from leg extensions or press.

>>76711552
>It's a cult of pseudo-scientists trying to push "the most optimal way" to get gains, citing papers that are dogshit that get disproven by another dogshit "scientific" paper
Give 10 examples

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>>76711589
No, eat shit cultist.

>>76707442
The second the videos on Mike dropped, Jeff started posting snarky comments like "lil bro added some semicolons and thinks he did something"

>>76710240
>>76710293

He maxed out at 230 pounds for 2 reps during a fitness test

>>76705216
This guy is a faggot trying to get famous off of bigger youtubers by "owning them with facts and logic"
I wonder what his stance on Israel is

>>76711946
>I wonder what his stance on Israel is
He's not a big fan of Dr. Mike at all

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>>76705200
There is only one science worth following. Soviet science!

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>>76708992
Damn borderline elite cardio, bro walked briskly for 5:30.

>>76712592
trvke, it was too powerful, that's why the CIA destroyed the USSR.

>>76712592
Why can't influencers be cool like this guy. Fuck we missed out.

>>76712616
Hell yeah, comrade. CIA are suppressing our gains.

>>76706899
Cherry picking studies to strawman their delusional world-view is peak left wing.

>>76712616
Doesn't matter, McCarthy was right. The US was full of communists themselves at the time. The Frankfurt school made it worse.

>>76706117
he looks like a small child lmao

>>76705200
Man, I love Jeffy so much. It's incredibly funny how much seethe this manlet generates.

>>76705342
Science base lifters are simply guys that look at studies to see what science says about lifting, all that they do in practice is set the exercises in a slightly different angle than normal to hit a muscle a little better but since science based influencer like jeff explain several studies, peabrains take it as an insult to their intelligence and constantly attack jeff for it.
While his videos are too wordy, all that he really says is to do x exercise slightly different than normal but this still upsets people.
Eventually this disdain become code for people we don't like.

Funniest part is that the same people that hate science base lifting are the same niggas that make anti cico threads and functional fitness threads and call construction workers based.

>>76705407
>Yet another idiot not understanding "too big to fail"
Too big to fail means the authorities will move heaven and earth to keep something bad and failing from actually end.
It doesn't mean "it's so big it is immune to failing". It means "its so big we cannot ALLOW it to fail, even if it is constantly crumbling"
This comes from banks who control everything being bailed out despite being so incompetent/greedy that if it weren't for tax payer money, they WILL fail.
Nippard and Israetel are absolutely not immune to failure and they're absolutely not being propped up by Youtube execs.

>>76712859
*desk that covered his gut

>>76712722
CIA funded post-modernists philosophers (primarily in France through proxy NGOs) to weaken modernist thought (see. orthodox Marxism). This is how the identity-driven new Left was created. Like with many CIA projects, such as funding the mujahedeen, this has come back to bite us in the ass in form of the "woke left".

making fun of celebrity workouts was funny enough, but how hard can it be to make videos mocking joe rogan and rich piana's (maniacal) routines? those are two lolcows of great proportions. but mike has a lot of nervous eye ticks which started to have me leery. then he admitted he was russian. strike two. I found out he was "of the tribe" then - strike three. recently he couldnt do jack shit in a physical, he bogged his lips, and he wants to remove his ribs. the dumb faggot got lypo and shills a work out app to lose weight and get fit. I didnt even mention the roids and unsufferable little guy syndrome who wants beat the shit out of everyone, but yeah, that too. mike had this coming. looking at everything happening to him now, it seems like hes been a fraud since the start. that phd was a favor or a bribe, something a lot of ((them)) do. I remember working at an insurance company and all of them stayed together and had the test answers so they could become brokers. all of them are con artists.

>>76712905
and jeff is an ass kisser. his routines seem like bullshit and he is juiced up.

>>76712905
>I found out he was "of the tribe" then - strike three
How was it not instantly obvious the moment you read his name or saw his face?

>joe rogan and rich piana
He did make videos about them.

>>76712920
>>76712920
>How was it not instantly obvious the moment you read his name or saw his face?
I wanted to believe he was just a russian. I saw a few videos of him mocking hollyweird actors and didnt pay much attention to him. him sitting behind a big desk was funny also because it makes him look like a little kid. I didnt know it was to his homer simpson stomach.

>He did make videos about them.
those had to be the first ones I saw

>>76705407
You mean like connor murphy was?

>>76705561
You ignore most important factor which is safety. You can look just as good as natty lean powershitter while having incredible stamina, with less risk of injury. One of those is actually useful in daily life.

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>>76705858
solomon is /ourguy/ because he's australian and therefore a shitposter. simple as that

also because he got really pissed off when jeff nipple called him redditbrained lol

>>76706917
you know i figured Mike wasnt always a complete retard since people said he made good content and has a phd, and that he slowly went crazy from fame and drugs. After seeing his PhD it's clear he's always been a retard

>>76705512
>going through all this shit and still are weak and look like a nerd.

These folks got what they deserved.

>>76712998
Solomon even lurks/posts on /fit/ but, people will call him reddit because he made fun of the low-life wignat retards that plague here.

Starting to think they're all in cahoots advertising each other here using bots to generate views based on some of the botlike replies in spammed threads.

>>76713031
>>76713031
I dont get that at all, as mike is on a road to losing his phd or at least the credibility of having one. and jeff got his shit pushed in for talking slick to someone he hired TWICE to make him a workout plan. all just because solomon picked on mike. also milo is a robot sounding fucker who looks like a tool and people wont take him seriously anymore. he attacked solomon and was wrong, and has yet to issue a retraction. when you wreck your credibility while youre selling yourself as a mentor/teacher to people, youre hurting your business.

>>76708764
>Yet everyone still just kinda trains the same as they did 15 years ago.
if it ain't broke don't fix it
Nobody but an extreme minority wants to radically alter their routine against everything everyone says, spending a shitload more time and money adapting, just so they can get an extra 5-10% more. It ain't like any advice is going to digivolve me past the limits of my body so why fuck up something that currently works for the chance of having it only work slightly better.
I'm sure for professional athletes and lifters/bodybuilders that shit matters but those people have made a career out of it and are more willing to spend all that time and money on it.

>>76713043
What are sime specific criticisms you saw while reading his dissertation that discredits his phd?

I dont think it's wrecking his business. I never would have watched mikes videos if all this posting hadnt made me curious. He has some interesting enough content that i watched hours of videos. But ultimately nothing that sets him aside from other grifters like athleen x.

>>76705429
Because pompous faggots like Solomon are good for drama, which is what the heart of YouTube content is really all about. The people acting like they suddenly care about the heckin science don’t give a shit about it. In reality, nobody cares about this particular field that much because it is neither dynamic or interesting. It is essentially something one explores mainly by consistency and intensity, the extent to how effective it can be by modifying it is minute. The self anointed expert in this field is a curly headed homo DYEL McDonald, who lets his schizo fueled rants be managed by Solomon on his channel because he lusts for him. All the actors in this episode of Literally Who: The Breadtoober saga ad Infinitum are utterly silly and grating for various reasons.

The normalfags are no better than this, as they merely want to take part of what is lame mean girl drama while maintaining an air of superiority.

This Australian faggot can’t talk without raising his eyebrow like some Dreamworks character.

>>76713218
What a feminine post.

>>76713271
Flamboyant, drama craving hands crafted this post.

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>>76705233
He is a manlet after all, it’s his nature.

>>76705482
Plenty of jeets watch him to be fair.

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>>76706922
/qa/ may be deleted but we are still here

>>76705233
>>76713552
Yet you're here seething about him while he's made millions, kek. Spiritually, you are women. The only thing you can do is trash people anonymously

>>76713806
kek

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>>76705342
It's basically guys who religiously take any new study on 10 people without any proper scientific method to give you advice like:
>You need to do cable bicep curls lying at an 35.63 degree angle in the evening (best internal clock performance!) without eating anything for at least 4 hours when the Moon is on the opposite side of earth (higher gravity - optimal gains!) and your arm has to be perpendicular and at an 14.5 degree angle for optimal stretch through the whole exercise. Now you got big (USING SCIENCE!)

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Basing your routine and exercises on science is good, the only problem is that a lot of it is way too personal when you get into autistic details. Sure there are some universal well studied "truths" that apply to everyone (progressive overload, caloric surplus, sufficient protein) but when you get into details, like "what sort of angle should my lateral dumbbell raise be like and how much should my arm be bent?" you probably won't find high quality research, since specific exercises rely greatly on your proportions, on your past injuries (or lack of them), your "instincts" of mind-muscle connection you've gained through your entire life. Unless there's a study "We took a thousand men aged 30, 6'4", who had once broken their collarbones, have long arms, have some assymetry in their shoulders, have some hyper-mobility" but that is rarely the case.

This would be my only critique against the "science based lifters" - when they try to use small studies that basically say "well it can go either way, we didn't find out much, more research is needed" and make some clickbait content like "INSANE NEW STUDY PROVES SUPERIOR WAY TO TRAIN DELTS!!!" and it's a study of 10 dudes who tried several variation of shoulder presses, so obviously it's not some big breakthrough. Hell, even the big/well-known truths don't apply to a lot of people. Me for example, when people say pullups/lat-pulldowns are a great way to build lats, for me it isn't, no matter the grip width and body position. horizontal rowing movements target them way better for me, or even some unorthodox movements that wrestlers use with rubber bands.