>>76726020
That’s a pretty high price. My club is $130 a month, which I already thought was really high. Maybe you can find a better option? I’m glad I started. It compliments well with lifting. My reflexes are improved, and I’m getting some decent cardio now that I wasn’t really getting from just lifting. Wish I had started when I was younger.

t blue belt

>>76726020
Join boxing gym mate

>>76726020
join wrestling mate

>>76726020
It's a meme "sport" for past their prime unathletic single dads who get destroyed by kids 1/4 their age at any other given sport and want an escapade with other meek men who rub each other's shoulder and gossip
BJJ fags are all mentally female trapped in skinnyfat bodies of balding failed males

>>76726020
you cant afford 180$ a month for a hobby as an adult male? also shop around my gym is 125$ a month, but other in my city are 180$ 250$ etc.
but just look at your budget. I just don't buy alcohol, weed, or vapes because I'm not a degenerate so I can afford it. There is something you are doing that you want to stop, replace it with martial arts.
>>76726064
boxing is for niggers
>>76726085
true. it's worth learning basics. but Muay Thai is much more fun

>>76726095
than do judo, wrestling , mma, muay thai , muay thei then

>>76726102
judo is too gay to get into as an adult. if you learned it as a youth, perfect. but all gyms basically adhere to Olympic rulesets and require retarded testing. It keeps the art pure, but prevents creativity and specialization imo for non professionals.
wrestling cannot be taught effectively after youth. there are basically no wrestling gyms for adults, plus your neck will never be up to standard. bad idea.
MMA gyms have the highest rate of psychos who will injure you outside of bjj
Muay Thai is goated. If you learn clinching to a proficient level you don't need judo or wrestling. It's the most fun

>>76726095
is there a boxing gym without nigs? where you live where its mostly nigs

>>76726020
This is a very typical price especially for unlimited classes at a good school. Many places are much more.

>>76726116
really expensive boxing gyms like Mayweather's chain if they exist by you, or an equinox that offers it, or a cardio boxing one that is mostly women but the trainer is legit.
you could also just do private lessons.
boxing gyms are not for casuals. they will let you 'spar' way too early. feeding you to one of the gyms amateurs who has fought already. he'll give you a concussion, then your coach will give you a 30 second 10 count and send you back in for more.
I would avoid it unless you find the perfect gym

>>76726095
I’m stingy about money. I try to spend the bare minimum unless it’s on high quality food. It is a mile away from my house and any decent alternatives are probably half an hour away during rush hour so I might actually be saving money with gas as well as time if I just went to this gym.

>>76726144
cant you just go toa real boxing gym and just tell the coach i just want to punch the bag . desu i dont feel like sparring

>>76726153
why bjj? Self defense? Sport? You listened to lex fridman?
also a mile away is awesome if the gym doesn't suck. do a drop in, and see the vibes. like I said 180$ is not a bad price for a good gym

>>76726161
probably, but then you will get 0 coaching. which you could also just save money and do at home, buying a heavy bag.
if you want coaching, you will have to spar eventually unless it's an upscale gym. boxing gyms are for churning out boxers in an attempt to make money off someone being semi successful.

>>76726164
I’ve dropped in before when it was cheaper and under a different name, maybe around $150 at the time. But mainly for location convenience and just to learn a martial art. I’m a bigger guy so cranking out subs would be legit for self defense but if I’m paying that much I may as well drop in as much as possible and compete.

>>76726161
Dont worry most coaches segregate people anyways. If you're over 25 (20 for some gyms) and not an active amateur or pro just forget about sparring with anyone serious or being paid attention to. If you dont show tremendous skills from day 0 forget about the coach. If you pass the individual filter and dont do great on one (1) sparring forget. If you're not mentally ill and show insane grit and hunger forget.
A lot of coaches go all in on a handful of young students and treat the rest like piggybanks, which isnt so bad because most people are there just to be fit, learn to fight somewhat intelligently and socialize. If you want to actually git gud and do love the sport and want to master it you're fucked. The coaches that arent scummy like this are either usually too busy handling pros (they're the most successful also because they give everyone a chance, look into pacquiao and marciano's stories) or only coach kids and amateurs.

>>76726196
depends on age. I would say competing in bjj is a surefire way to get severely injured. if you're ok with it, go ahead, it's fun.
but yeah if you're a big dude it is insanely effective, including all martial arts.

>>76726206
23. I got a bit of shoulder impingement from lifting but overall it’s manageable. It’s probably kinda pussy but I would rather tap quickly than let my shit get fucked up.

>>76726203
im bald and fit , can i just go in their without sparring, i rather spar with a punching bag

1 v 1 me and then let me know if you think it is worth it

>>76726241
Sure but at what point do you just buy your own bag and just watch hours of tutorial videos instead of wasting a monthly fee on information and guidance you dont really want and arent guaranteed to get. It's like paying a private university tuition knowing fully that the teachers only care about the top 0,001% and keep the rest aside from the most important courses and curriculums

>>76726247
thanks
whats a good starter channel for boxing
but idk i just want to go to boxing gym for atmosphere and shit and talk to mike tyson bob sapp type of dudes

>>76726233
nope. tapping early is the way to go. don't worry, if you're big most people won't be able to fuck up your shoulders or elbows. I'd be worried about leg injuries. Basically everyone at my previous gym over the age of 22 who competes has had some sort of leg surgery

>>76726247
>>76726250
honestly if you go this route. just make sure to practice high guard defense and walking around in your fighting stance.

>>76726243
150lb manlet black belts have tapped me at 6’2” 240lb with 2/3/4/5 lifts it is legit just not easily accessible and you fags like Zuckerberg making the sport gay

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>>76726256
Just go and try it, they usually give a free class or a free week. See other gyms and find one that you like the coach.

get started now and maybe you'll get a purple belt before you're 42.

>>76726250
Gabriel varga
The modern martial artist
(These two arent specialized in boxing but will help a lot)
There's also Skillr boxing
Boxing life
Alexey frolov
Oracle boxing

Also just watch the actual footage and replicate situations and learn, why is why sparring is important

>>76726274
thanks, is tony jefferies any good

>>76726256
you got tapped by a victim weight manlet. HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA

>>76726280
I avoid both him and the two british guys who do these weird gigs idk their name. They startle the same snake oil salesman alarms Nippard and Israetel did when i've first watched them

>>76726284
It’s jiu jitsu so you do jiu jitsu not try to assault your coach. You’d get done worse desu.

>>76726311
nope.
>6'5
>230
>judo black belt
>bjj blue belt
>MT 8 years
martial arts against people not within 50lbs of you is a joke when you have size. I learnt the basics to compliment my judo game, then stopped except doing open mats after Friday Muay Thai every so often. Also if you let your coach tap you instead of giving it your all, you didn't get tapped

>>76726296
thanks ill try the ones you recommend

>>76726274
>>76726325
Bazooka Joe
Jeff Chan

>180$ per month just to get your ass kicked by a untrained DYEL with a metal pipe

>>76726321
Fair but when you’re a noob you aren’t going to have the knowledge of what to defend against even if the guy you’re rolling with isn’t necessarily physically overwhelming.

>>76726351
yeah but nothing that happens when you're learning basics matter. if you're 240lbs and 6'2 with a blue belt. you should be able to beat 150lbs black belts ez pz. I'm tired of pretending all black belts are the same. It's too reddit for me.

>>76726366
True

>>76726020
180 is the upper range of what I've ever been willing to pay, and that's for a great school when I'm going all the time.

Luckily I found a school which does better deals for guys like me who show up a couple times a month to get some time with an opponent in front of me before going back home to lift and drill on my own, which is much more productive if you're a striker rather than a grappler.

Some gyms will have a sort of "punch card" deal of like 10 classes for $300, but the card never expires so you could do 3 classes this month, one next month, 3 the following month, and 3 more the month after that. Suddenly you're paying $75 a month for muay thai and it's much more reasonable.

>>76726109
>MMA gyms have the highest rate of psychos.
No, that's boxing.
>If you can muay thai clinch you don't need to know how to wrestle.
You've never fought a competent wrestler.

>>76726373
bjj is also weird, were higher belts who are dyel freaks and women think they have authority over you. like I could kill some of these people and they think because they know obscure submissions they can treat me poorly

>>76726396
kek, bait the underhooks and then enter knee city
>RDR vs Bo Nickal
outside of sport, I will just use my gun if someone tries to shoot a double on me. I'm not trying to fight people outside a gym.

>>76726405
>Give my lead leg to a wrestler because my impenetrable underhook cannot be stopped.
Pure faggotry.
>Guns are an advantage.
Congratulations, anyway, we're talking about martial arts.

>>76726398
Not the same anon, but your post really is spot on. I tried joining a few BJJ gyms to learn the sport-if I wanted to wail on people, I could go to an MMA gym where I can hold my own because I am a massive, fridge shaped man at 285lbs, and have actual practice striking and boxing. I played rugby in college and briefly overseas; I like the physicality but I am also 34 and want to find a fun community, learn something new, and also be able to get that physicality back. I went to a BJJ gym for a free session and it went like this
>instructor shows the group a couple of things to practice that day/new moves
>oh ok, kinda cool, practice them a few times, then partners rotate (about 30ish people total)
>get everything from a turbo manlet who explains thing to a giant fucking mexican dude who probably weighed 350lbs who also was fairly new and was happy he had someone big to practice it with
That went well, then we got to "free mat" time or something and immediately some dude beelines it to me and wants to roll. a few people go "uhh, be nice to the new guy" and snicker. dude was a lanklet and later found out he was a blackbelt. we get to our corner and he immediately lays down onto his back with his feet up
>uh, ok, so what do I do
>bro it is free time let's roll
>ok but it is my first day, can you explain anything and not hurt me so I learn something?
>bro let's go come on
ended up about 10 minutes of him just putting me in odd positions as I had 0 idea what to do. I at one time put my forearm into his throat and he screamed "out of role!" and got mad. sorry bro, it was my FIRST fucking day
what is amusing if it was any type of MMA sparring I would have snapped him in half or just beat him to death. hard to learn the sport when no one explains anything

>>76726020
we should start some kind of free fight...club oh shit never mind

My area is pretty shitty and poor and our gym is $150 a month. Lots of members and the kids program is huge. I teach one adult class a week and don't have to pay

>>76726413
see you clearly don't even wrestle considering you don't understand what I mean by underhook baiting.
you're just talking out your ass
>focus on takedown defense
>focus on getting to cage
>initiate clench
>let wrestler go for underhook
>A DOMINANT POSITION WRESTLERS ARE TRAINED TO GO FOR SINCE YOUTH WRESTLING
>immediately hand fight, trapping their hand from blocking knees to the body
kek
wrestling is not the end all be all in MMA bro

>>76726020
Im not paying money to get worse at martial arts

>>76726424
yep. bjj is for insecure guys, you gotta remember who 90% of bjj marketing goes to, podcast alpha bros. in that black belts mind he was testing his theory of the world, that bjj trumps size. unfortunately denying reality that if he pulled guard in a fight he would get stomped on.
you should go to a Muay Thai gym or MMA gym. Focus on holding back power and mastering technique, you'll get good so fast. And everyone loves sparring big friendly guys once they realize you won't spaz on them.

>>76726444
checked. It does seem to attract a certain type. Which is too bad, because the sport seems pretty fun and the possibilities for so many different submission types are kino. It kind of reminds me of bringing a new out of shape guy to the gym, telling him they are doing olympic lifting, and then watching him fail. Sure, the guy is probably working hard, but it is a technical lift and you need to start somewhere, just like any other sport.
Muay Thai is my next stop, but an MMA gym is probably my best bet unless I can find a good BJJ gym/group/instructor. Relying on being hueg and just crushing people in grappling situations only goes so far, and even if I got a modicum of technical skill or knowledge it would pay dividends. AGAIN, like every other sport but the BBJ-lets make it really hard. You would think they would want their sport to grow and not act like turbo fags.

>>76726398
Yeah if I get back into it I’m honestly just going to learn and keep to myself. The people are the worst, especially higher belts when their shit doesn’t work on you because they always talk about humility and egos left at the door.

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>>76726020
ITT: retards who think that jiu jitsu is all about pulling guard. It's effective for sports jiu jitsu. If you're at a proper gym that does no-gi you will learn to wrestle, takedowns, and techniques effective for MMA/streets.

180$ is not worth it though. I have one of the best trainers in the world, ranked single digit in no-gi worldwide and the gym membership costs 80$

>>76726020
Someone better than you absolutely will teach you the martial art way faster and better. Getting better than then is on you though.

>>76726020
Mine is 300 euros a year in eastern europe. You clowns are getting scammed

>>76726020
nigga you can fight hobos for free

>>76726020
>price
standard bjj gyms here will run $300-400/month and there's a ton of them
Decently sized US cut, very popular bjj hub -> expensive gyms
There's a few "famous" ones too which hang out above that or around the upper end
It's annoying, I found one cheaper and I feel I got lucky

>is bjj worth it?
I think so, it's really fun but it's based on the people in the gym and coaches, which can be great or horrible
Find a good gym and it's wonderful, find a shitty one and it's not

>judo or wrestling
Good choices but good luck finding serious adult wrestling or a decent judo program, wrestling stops usually after college and good judo at least in the US is focused on Olympics only
Both are actually part of modern sport jiu-jitsu and a good bjj gym will teach wrestling/judo in dedicated classes or as part of the standard class or both
This is a good litmus test, actually. If the gym does zero stand up ever then probably look elsewhere.

There's also MMA gyms which can be sketchy for a newer person mostly due to the types of ppl that go to MMA gyms but should have classes for grappling and striking

>>76726020
Myau Thai is cheaper than Jiujitsu so are Silat/Filipino Martial Arts and you'll learn to be a proper tough guy from those. Everything starts up standing, there's going to be weapons involved at some point on the streets, you need to learn to handle that shit or you are not a tough guy, that's why Filipino Martial Arts are a great choice if you actually want to learn to fight rather than do some cardio, you can always do burpees, sprawls, hindu squats, judo pushups, back bridges and inch worms at home to get to a physically good strength for BJJ techniques to work untrained after watching some basic technique tutorials on youtube.

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>>76726398
They do. They have more knowledge than you, which gives them authority in that environment.
If all that mattered is that you could physically dominate someone, then you wouldn't have had teachers in high school.

>>76726020
You pay 90$ a month at my local gym but that gets you access to Taekwondo, kickboxing, BJJ and a 24/hour weight room, all of which are really decent and most of which run for 7 days a week.

Other than that its 50$ a month for a boxing club, 40$ a month for Shotokan Karate, 80$ a month for BJJ alone (all of what I have listed so far being 45 minutes away), and 20$ a month for a Kenpo class run by a 70-something year old who makes you train like youre a bout to go to Vietnam.

>>76726020
>why isnt learning how to defend yourself and physically hurt people cheap?
Idk figure it out breh

>>76726020
>says "le" at all
>thinks anything is going to make him tough

>>76728801
One of the best mixed martial artists in the world watches anime and jacks off his dog btw

no gym

>>76726196
>cranking out subs
sandwich artist

>>76726020
If you're europoor, sure
In the USA, tough guys are more likely to get shot, so just by doing martial arts chance of you dying increases.
Use that info accordingly.

>>76726424
You're there to get knowledge from the the lanklets and women. Let them scissor you and cling to your legs and tap before they destroy your knees. But yea, I stopped after 3-4 years because the higher you go the more focused it becomes on retarded leg shit with very little margin for error. If you turn one way while he grabs your legs and turns the other way you're knee is shredded and you're just trying to go to work the next day. Just be careful, learn the fundamentals because it's a beautiful martial art that compliments the others, then when you get to the point like you mentioned that you realize you can nullify there inverted worm spider de la riva guard by just punching them in the body then that's your signal it's time to explore another martial art.

>>76726095
Did some black kid possibly on peds who the coach likes beat you up? Just get actually strog and practice unconventional boxing, martial artists are never that strong besides brock lesnar because he uses more steroids and growth hormone, tank abbot apparantly benched 6pl8s too and one time he kod someone with some stupid ass half punch, and it looks like he was not on steroids but i didnt checn many. Francis is too he got bigger since joining wbc id bet hes using and even tank even without roid veins.

But yeah get retarded jacked natty and youll be bigger than pro fighters pretty easily, at least proportionally if not taller as levers are huge in power thats why jon jones doesnt have as much power you can have bad levers but have to be huge and hes objectively smaller than francis its a solid 20% difference good luck post thr vids here.

>>76726020
Middle aged autists are the onyl ones still falling for the grappling scam though.

>>76730537
It never ceases to amaze me how very sheltered Americans are. They really think America is more dangerous than Europe.

Protip: Most US violence is nig on nig, and nig on liberal. If you stay away from the ghetto, you will never face real violence, which is why useless shit like BJJ is so popular, you're never put to the test.

Meanwhile in Europe, any time you go outside, it's possible some nig or mudslime will try to kill you. Doesn't matter if it's in the ghetto or in a gated community. Can happen anytime, anywhere.

>>76730562
He should watch some anderson silva i think hes landed some advanced shit in fights iirc like gogoplata or just general advanced shit and has probably the best striking in ufc history which he uses in addition to grappling not just as a backup plan.
>not heavyweight
He was poor and its way harder to move up weight classes.
>popped for roids
Thats fair enough but so was everyone. He was going to lhw with alistair thatd be scary. He could easily be heavyweight but like 2yrs of lifting to be much over 205 or more like 250ish without cutting water. Fighters make it look impossible to gain muscle maybe chill on the cardio every fucking day and stop lifting like a nerd.

>>76730640
Meh watch the first part of tyson vs mcneely mike would have lost there vs a grappler.
>brock lesnar buttfucks prime mike at mma
You cant just take 90s mike with no prep what kind of argument is that. He thrives on cocaine and mushrooms and he has done steroids, he probably lost his edge because he had to quit were talking prime mike 1yr prep to learn modern mma.

>>76730669
And also imagine muke gets to use as much roids as lesnar. Hold on why the fuck did the ufc even let him in was it because of alistair this is a complete shitfest.

>>76726085
Sounds like a BJJ fag could choke you unconscious because you don't know how to grapple.

>>76730659
>It never ceases to amaze me how very sheltered Americans are. They really think America is more dangerous than Europe.
It's not about danger; we just have a simple rule: if someone tries to threaten your life, you can justifiably blow their head off.
That's why fights between strangers almost always end with someone getting shot.
If a random nignog pushes you hard, you take the gun and shoot him. That's it.

>>76730659
>Meanwhile in Europe, any time you go outside, it's possible some nig or mudslime will try to kill you. Doesn't matter if it's in the ghetto or in a gated community. Can happen anytime, anywhere.
I am in Eastern Europe, small city, there is only one nig and he is a business owner, I think he is from North Africa, not a real nigger, but has dark skin.

Expensive.

>>76726020
If you really care about self-defence, just by a gun.

eurofags are cringe