Any difference? What's your own personal case? It seems to create a big difference, at least for the beginning
>>76731722an extra half a year of serious effort and the gap gets bridged, currently mog all the guys from my friend group that were athletic but I caught up eventually
>>76731722Expect to get injured a lot without an athletic background, PT videos on youtube will become your new best friendTook me 5 years to figure out that people aren't actually training that hard and that you don't have to to make gains People who go "running", yeah they're doing a 35min 5k, not <20. Marathon pace for most people is so slow you actually have to learn to run that slow.
>>76731722Unless your background is in strength sports specifically, I would say there's no difference, i started in my late twenties totally inactive, yet i've managed to progress very quickly.
>>76731722I lift at a college gym and all the baseball, niggerball, and soccerball players are all dyel.(football team has their own gym so idk about them).The soccer players are actually exceptionally weak in the upper body. Especially the spics and stickniggers.Even when I got out of the Army after doing gruelling PT every day for 3 years, I was still dyel and skinnyfat.So you'll be fine.
>>76732330con't:One day the assistant baseball coach (30is yo with a "dad bod") came in bounced 2plates of his chest for like 3 reps with his ass in the air.Then he got up, looked around and said out loud "YEAH I STILL GOT IT" while nodding his head lmao.So basically because you "played ball in school" you might be little less weak than average person but that's like a guy with a 60 IQ bragging that he's smarter than a guy with a 50 IQ.
>>76731722Its easier to get back to a past baseline then improve as an comparably athletic background, i didnt lift or run before the army and many years after leaving i got back into decent shape much faster though im just missing the long term endurance comparatively
>>76732330>their own gym so idk about themthen pipe down small fry>Army>3 years>gruelling PTlol
>>76732378nigger you would have fucking died doing our PT.This was in the 90s though. I hear its alot different now.Oh and let me guess- you "played ball back in high school" and used to bench 400lbs.You let yourself go a bit since then but you're still mostly muscle under that little bit of fat, right?Everybody in the gym used to bench 400lbs 20 years ago.I never saw all these people benching that much 20 years ago when I went to the gym , but everyone swears they did.
>>76731722I've been thinking a bit about this recently, I have no meaningful background in sports and I've had a lot of difficulty because my back, hamstrings, and core have all been so very weak. It has taken me fucking years to realize that I've been doing squats and deadlifts completely wrong because I haven't been "sitting" far back enough thanks to the mentioned weaknesses. I finally feel deadlifts in my hamstrings and squats in my quads. I now also prefer high bar to low bar. Severe DYEL but I like lifting a lot and I'm glad I'm improving.
>>76731722What's your personal case?>>76732398>Nigger, you would have fucking died doing our PT 30 years ago.I never saw these people die 30 years ago, but everyone swears they did
>>76732406>I never saw these people die 30 years ago, but everyone swears they didthat's because none of us were obese 4chan incels. You would die if you got up from your computer right now and did our PT.
>>76732320the difference is being able to bench at least 1pl8 for reps, deadlift 2pl8 for reps etc relatively fast vs getting stuck under the bar only
>>767317228 years of boxing seriously. Lifting its kinda easy ngl, you guys cry about it too much. I avoided it for more than a decade because it was boring, I was right but it really is optimal to look good. Anyone that did sports that have a lot of cardio will feel the same way.
>>76732398lmao even
>>76732406My personal case: I started training at the age of 23 (I'm 26 now) without having ever practiced any sport in a club before (and even with a general dislike of sport). I lifted so little weight and shook so much that the guy who was training with me thought I had dyspraxia. I struggled to understand the exercises, which he considered “simple” (such as the Romanian deadlift). And after three years of practice... I've made good progress in strength, but I'm still DYEL, even though I don't train for strength but for hypertrophy (sets of 8 to 15 reps depending on the exercise). Another problem I have, which I think is related to my lack of athletic background, is my difficulty in establishing a proper mind-muscle connection: I don't feel my muscles when I train, or very little.
>>76732320What do you mean by "very quickly"? So even without any athletic background, you managed to do everything perfectly from your first session onwards?
>>76731722My "athletic" background was kickboxing + mma + playing soccer at 6am in a mud terrain with friends as a defensive backline rotund retardI started repping 3pl8 deadlift after two months @85kg but only hit 2pl8 bench after 9 months
>>76732898I don't know what you mean by 'do everything perfectly'? but i got visible results in about 7 months, and since then i really put on quite a bit of mass.
>>76732931Good diet, good routine, perfect understanding of how to do exercises and how to overload progressively, good sensations on all your muscles
>>76733008i mean its not that complicated is it? just eat some protein and do your workouts idk what to say..
>>76733028Well, seems to be easier for some than for others...
>>76733112To be honest i thought it was gonna be much harder to get in shape after my life sitting in front of the computer all day, but no it was easier than i expected, no idea why there aren't more people getting into shape.
>>76733117Maybe you have good genetics?
>>76733127lol no
>>76733140Post pictures of your evolution
>>76731722I started after distance running (1500m, 5k) in high school and university. I spent several months making little progress on e.g., squats, deadlifts, clean and jerks, because I had comically underdeveloped glutes (couldn't get them to fire on squats no matter how light,) tight hip flexors etc. I have terrible proportions for lifting. By far the most helpful fix for me was adding Bulgarian Split Squats at the start of every session: 3x12. But they are very fatiguing: I'd take about 10 or 15 minutes to recover. But this alone fixed most of my hip mobility problems within a week and allowed me to progress 10 pounds a week on the lower body compound movements as a beginner without much issue. You can modify rep schemes also to make sure you're progressing in weight as much as possible. I would deload every six weeks.
>>76733144started at 110kgs now im 75kgi'm 2 years in soon
>>76733170I geniunely don't know how such impressive progresses can exist
>>76733181it was mostly losing fat i found
>>76733186So you were already muscular? how did you manage to build muscles while in a deficit?
>>76731722I used to do a ton of pushups and years of work does adapt your body, like i nailed bench and put on a good but of size shortly and flexed my chest is pretty big because your body will develop androgen receptors, thicker joints, more type 2 fibers etc.Its a negligible difference unless its consistent hard and productive work. Also athletes usually do a bunch of dumb shit and shy away from bodybuilding and only do 1-5rms every 20min as if their total strength wouldnt increase faster by focusing on putting on more muscle.
>>76733196But can you build those androgen receptors, thicker joints, more type 2 fibers etc when you start lifting in your adulthood?
>>76733170No offense you wanna learn how to bench for pecs? I want the delt routine.
>>76733200Oh yeah look up endocrine system you upregulate hormones. Basically every organ gets stronger including liver>protein synthesis so youll actually make faster progress a lot further into training than is common knowledge it just takes a while having slacked off for so long. Just realize without technique you will have shitty progress no matter diet or programming/lifting iq.
>>76733200Basically all that shit is fats/cholesterol/nutrients etc, not being on a cut consistently that shit downregulates everything just look at someone in the ufc cutting weight all year vs a heavyweight the same height.
>>76733210stop lying dude, if you start as an adult you missed the most useful time period to make all those adaptations during which is puberty. Ifyou slacked off during that time you basically can never comme back from that.
>>76733217You should see my progress pics and i started about 30 and would hsve never thought id have such a drastically different physique. No im not posting pics you motherfucker im on to you.
>>76733235nigga you lying rn
>>76733235I really believe you're either lying or not considering the fact that you have good genetics
>>76732891Remember this when you have kids. Don't fail like your parents.
i started lifting with none at 24, incredible diet. training 5x week until 27, and i look like a guy who works out occasionallymy half zoomy brother grew up in martial arts and soccer. he eats like shit, does whatever at 21 now. but when he goes on a 2-3 week cut he gets insanely ripped and vascular without much diet or rigorous routine change, if you saw us together you'd assume he was the gym junkieits wild
>>76732891can you post body? struggling to believe you'd look that bad if youve been consistent for 3 years, regardless of genetics
>>76733422Good example of how your environment during your childhood can have a big impact
>>76733455I think thats cope, you're seeing genetic differences with that example, environment has very little to do with it imo.
>>76732475Lol no male gets stuck under the bar only. You have some serious issues if you can't bench atleast 100 pounds your first day in the gym.>>76733112If it's hard it's because you're a nincompoop. There are just endless resources to find out and fix just about any issues you're having.
>>76732354>said out loud "YEAH I STILL GOT IT" Based
>>76733484It's not about fixing issues I'm aware of, it's about figuring out issues that I may have. Plus, you can perfectly make progress on your lifts while your body barely changes. Strength =/= muscle hypertrophy.
>>76735251>you can perfectly make progress on your lifts while your body barely changes. Strength =/= muscle hypertrophy.No thats untrue
>>76733422Youre trying too hard at diet, being in a cut at all lowers bmr and kills protein synthesis and hormonal production. Youre sitting around all day resting not at a surplus. Try nailing one muscle group for real first and doing low reps before, then instead of a reat day you move on to something that isnt bench. >im not an idiot>im not about to do bench 2:1 vs lats or legsWho the fuck even looks proportional that you look up to? If you somehow end up with an arnold chest then you can spend less time fixing the smaller muscles or just hit them moderately so it doesnt get in the way its not rocket science.
>>76735592Ok maybe ronnie has a big enough chest here but thats because he has the testosterone levels of 10 men in this pic so much so he has influencer veins while on nfl steroids, usually he is lat dominant since anyone can just spam back and get huge lats congrats you have a work ethic.
>>76735604You can only get so many quality heavy sets before its more of a pump that fades. Doing extra work is fruitful past the point youd expect byt doing a hard leg session every week absolutely is holding you back.
>>76735572So all powerlifters are good-looking? Good news, but that's not what I'm observing
>>76735813who talked about good looking? not me
>>76735826That's my goal, looking like someone who regularly goes to the gym, athletic, aesthetic
>>76735813All? No. Most? Yes.You know powerlifting is a weight class sport, right? Not every powerlifter is the powershitter meme lol.
>>76732301>Took me 5 years to figure out that people aren't actually training that hard and that you don't have to to make gains Yeah. You just have to take 1g test per week and the games come regardless of how half-assed you train.
>>76732301OP here, I've been lifting for 3 years now and not a single injury happened to me so far. Some say it may be because I'm not getting enough intensity from my training... but you seem to say that intensity isn't the main thing and that muscular people do not train that much intensively. So what do they do in order to get ripped?
>>76735872another natty telling people what steroids do
>>76735847that has nothing to do with what i said stfupowerlifters goal isnt to be good looking
>keeps ignoring people who tell him to post bodyB8 thread
eurofags are cringe
>>76732320dumb geneleti started lifting at 27 with a background in heavy cardio sports, it's so piss easy i can't be bothered to keep a regular schedule or care, i just learned it's all faggot gymcel pageantry along the way
>>76736998to add, around 6 years later, i walk into a climbing gym off the street with 0 experience and im dynoing off the cave sections using pure strength and virtually no techniqueout of shape and looking like a total noob, but all the 20yo zoomers are seething making comments about how i spend all my time lifting kek
>>76731722>started lifting at 24y/o>no athletic background in hs/college>former athlete friends have old knee/shoulder/back injuries and hold back out of fear or necessity>all my joints are fresh, back is finei think the main benefit for my situation was that i wasn't playing a contact/combat sport where someone was actively trying to stop/hurt me, so i could get a good workout and just hang out for the rest of the day
>>76737046>where someone was actively trying to stop/hurt mekek i was that guy on the field/court, gunning for blood, to make the play ofc
>>76737052shit made no sense to me in hs, had a classmate break another kid's femur during hockey practice. the team wasn't even that good and nothing felt like it was high-stakes. i don't think most of that team even plays anymore
>>76737061Nothing better than you and your buddy high towering the opposing star running back, obliterating his knee cap in the process, to give your team a better chance to win (we did) the Hy-Vee Game of the Week, effectively ending his senior year football, wrestling, and baseball ambitions and any chance for a scholarship.
>>76736998so what do you look like/ what are your lifts?
