start with 2.5mg, you don't need very big doses
just don't mix it with anything that affects blood pressure

>>76733549
>just don't mix it with anything that affects blood pressure
Would that include oral minoxidil? I take both but I heard it can be dangerous, I am 25 with no health issues though

>>76733549
/thread

>>76733538
cialis is felt exponentially compared to most drugs which is why we start even on the 5mg dosage (vs 200+mg like with NSAID, etc).
That's a lot for someone who doesn't "need" it.
It can cause cardiovascular problems if taken early in life and even ED because it will modulate the cardiovascular system.
If you're going to take it 2.5mg is always the dosage.
You'll gain all of the benefits, minimal of the negative.
5mg won't show any benefit to muscle mass gained (the 5lb lean mass shown in studies).
After 2.5mg, you have to take 20mg to get 10lb lean mass gain (as stated earlier, expressed exponentially).
20mg is basically 80 year old on your death bed levels of a drug with cialis. serious risk of causing vein/artery damage especially as years go on.

>>76733612
yes they're both vasodilators, you probably shouldn't mix them but if you're on both and aren't getting problems it might be ok
but low blood pressure can also be dangerous, if you feel dizzy or pass out or get arrhythmia you should stop

>>76733613
What about something like beetroot powder?

>>76733645
there is no natural PDE5 inhibitor that expresses itself like cialis. That's what made it special as a drug.

Beetroot powder works on the NOX system though, not PDE5 inhibitor.
If you're looking for more NOX for erections, take citrulline (look for watermelon thread in catalog, read thread), citrulline synergistically raises arginine through arginine paradox method.

If you want natural PDE5 inhibitors.
>ginger
>green tea
>pomegranate
are things you can take daily and will show benefit, but not any weird side effects.
they just don't concentrate like that in the body.

>>76733538
Nigga just get citruline ffs

>>76733655
Cool, thanks anon!

>>76733660
extra benefit, they all have the prostate a lot.
how the body filters them it actually coats the prostate itself as you piss with the excess PDE5, so unlike absorbing it, the prostate is almost getting its own dosage.

there is a reason asians have less prostate problems from drinking green tea.
just don't drink too much, like a glass or two a day.

>>76733613
I took 20mg for a week because i didnt understand dosage and got ED for two years that only fixed after doing 20mg doses again. Now i dont need cialis at all to get a boner and in fact have a better erection than before.

>>76733692
sounds like you actually had a blood clot in your dick and you should probably for your own safety see a doctor to rule it out.

i have no idea what the fuck i'm even reading anon.

>>76733538
Look up the side effects you fucking retard. Won't be so cool getting "pumps" when you're blind and can't get a boner naturally.

>>76733538
How much do you pay for that? Isnt it prescription only and like 20+ dollars a pill?

>>76733694
I woke up in the middle of the night with a painful erection that i dont think went down at all the night. The next day I couldn't get hard, I couldnt kegel. It got slight better when I massaged my pelvic floor but for the past two years my glans was always soft and my erection was floppy at the base. Some one said to take a 20mg dose to fix an injury so I did and now my dick is back better than before. Dorsal vein is a lil more swollen though so idk what that's about. Just want to share my anecdote so other anons be careful with the shit

>>76733713
like I said dude, no idea what i'm even reading.
I know taking high dosage cialis can damage veins though, so potentially you damaged a vein.

I use to take it daily, but don't anymore.
/fit/ not going to like hearing this, but biggest gain to my dick was always keeping a high-healthy bmi.
The human heart and cardiovascular system can only support a specific mass. muscle or fat is irrelevant, it can only supply at maximum to your body in even perfect conditions X amounts of volume per hour.
If you are even slightly above this mass amount, you now have less nutrition, oxygen, and more toxins building up as your body has to work overtime to maintain homeostasis.
losing a little bit of weight always gives me bigger erections.

at 240lbs, I basically had ED.
at 205lbs now, I can have erections and it's not an issue.
Last year I dropped to 187lbs for the first time in like 15 years.
I had the same boner strength as when I was a teenager again and was fucking my girl like three times a night.
If you ever feel you have an issue with erections, try losing 15lbs first and get back before using cialis or some other crazy stunt.

never forget zyzz died because his tiny indian heart couldn't handle the sheer willpower of his dreams.
>tldr
>why did god give men weak hearts

>>76733775
Kek "fucking your girl 3 times a night" what a slave holy shit how do you even give a shit about pleasing some skank.

>>76734268
>i have an opinion
I can see that.

>>76733538
Been taking 2.5mg for years. Severe anxiety-related ED or a heart issue, who knows. With it I'm good.
>>76733645
Beetroot powder is basically just citrulline, right? Just take pre-worky with citrulline.

>>76733549
fuck that drop your cialis do some poppers and eat a whole bag of super beets then hit the gym. the poppers alone will have you doing infinity cardio to keep your blood pressure up.

>>76734270
That's not an opinion even, it's a brownoid dog bark reaction, it's automatic and no braincells were involved. Ignore them, they started flooding 4chins in 2015.

>>76734268
>Kek "fucking your girl 3 times a night"
yeah what the fuck that guy must be gay or sumthn

Why would you want to lift out with a boner

>>76733613
Cite your sources, charlatan. I've read literally nothing that suggests cialis has side effects, even with long term use, other than the potential for psychological (NOT physiological) dependency

Been taking 5mg a day for about a couple weeks now, only recently got my first prescription from Friday plans and started with 20mg then 10 which gave me fairly bad acid reflux. At 5 I don't have any acid reflux and still have boner gains. I can get hard enough for sex without cialis but it's much easier with, especially if I'm drinking. Regardless of dosage, it still gets decently stiff but I can't get it to stand straight up if laying on my back without forcing a kegel, which is why I'm trying hip / pelvic floor stretching and ischiocavernosus muscle training.

Anyway everything I've read on /fit/ for months before this led me to believe there is no long-term negatives to cialis until this post >>76733613
does it really modulate the cardiovascular system?
Also one positive since doing daily 5mg is from having more/better boners throughout the day, I think my dick has actually gotten veinier. It's definitely good to have blood flowing down there often.

>>76733657
Why not both?

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>>76733538
How is 5mg microdosing?
It's literally measuring in the millis and it's dosage to treat benign prostatic hyperplasia and ED

>>76734268
Zesty post

>>76734500
I think you’re right about the blood flow thing. I noticed better erections after using a vacuum pump.

>>76734268
Lol it's not for her benefit. Testosterone makes you want to fuck and your dick keeps getting hard. Enjoy your low t metabolic syndrome.

>>76733538
Tadalafil is better.

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>>76734500
Same, I cut the 20mgs into 4 pieces. It has been great waking up with a boner every day, I'll even get boners on the treadmill and boners thru out the day. At 31 I don't give a fuck if I have boners in public now, I'm proud of having a big cock

>>76733538
I am 60. It means I have sex with women who are older and not as stimulating as a 21 year old and neither am I so whatever, still need some pussy, Getting it up was seldom a problem in my early 50s but sometime it just gave up under the exertion of sex. Enter Cialis. This drug makes you very hard when needed and you could be dead on the hoof tired. If you add some training to your life, some cardio and weights, you can really TCB. Just start with small doses till you know what you need. You dont need 5mg daily unless you are in a coma are working in pr0n, or dialed a rotary phone.

>>76733713
I cant even think of why I would need 10mg and I am old. Wtf are you doing actually? Stop listening to stupid gym bro lore.

>>76733775
Yeah I lost 50 lbs. Im old. I like thinking my way into a chubby before I whip it out. I like a super hard feel. I am in great shape and have a good blood and BP stats because I train. I still like generic Cialis and helps with enlarged prostate so why not?

>>76734500
^This is coomer fag talk.

>>76734487
You're shitposting.
Cialis is a PDE5 inhibitor, it works by preventing a specific type of inflammation.
The body requires inflammation to regulate itself.
Removing this inflammation has consequences.

If you can't understand that, me citing sources won't help you. Since you'd be unable to comprehend that as well.
Like a dog trying to play Mozart.

>>76734500
>does it really modulate the cardiovascular system?
Of course it does dude, anything you do daily will modulate the cardiovascular system.
Rarely do we have something with truly positive benefits, it's more the pros outweigh the cons.

For cialis
>blindness from lack of blood to the optical nerves requires inflammation to function
>dysfunction of the two esophagus valves and the duodenum (requires inflammation to function)
>most commonly back pain (back works off counterbalance systems, needs inflammation to function)
>knee/joint pain (require inflammation to function)
hell even erections can go away with cialis or viagra because a base level of inflammation is needed for bloodflow to not leave the penis.
leaving you with half-mass syndrome (big swollen penis, but won't get completely hard).
think it also called like hard-flacid syndrome.
Like I said I used it for years, over a decade at low dosage.
Anyone telling you there are no symptoms is shilling you a pipedream, because symptoms no matter how small existed.
I had regular liquid shits from taking it, stopped when i stopped taking it.
Also mild back pain at times.

>>76736713
You're thinking i'm arguing against cialis.
just stating facts.

If you're young and have ED, literally any other solution would get you more.
starting with losing weight, followed by more cardio.

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>>76735032
See, creepy faggots and trannies are here

>>76736720
Chatgpt says you're full of shit

>>76736722
Yeah I hear you and agree, but I know a guy who is very fit, very lean, training daily and 53. He was getting flat tires in the middle of the trip. This happens to some guys in their 40s apparently. If you need it you need it but I would agree it is much better when your heart and body is up to really laying it down. I have has a lot of women and almost never hear "you are fucking me too hard" so along with a hard dick, a strong heart and powerful body kinda puts it all together.

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>>76736734
Funny because chatgpt says i'm correct.

>>76736742
>hearing loss, blindness
"No not there! Wrong hole!!"
Did you say something baby?

>>76736749
chatgpt says that emotional instability and outburst is common in trans individuals like yourself.

>>76736734
Can you just turn your last 2 brain cells on and think logically?
We have a mechanism to dialate outlr blood vessels though the release of a nitric oxide (and yea, the result solution is to fix this mechanism), and have a mechanism to contract them by turning of the release of a nitric oxide and getting rid of already released nitric oxide. Don't you think that the second mechanism is there for a reason and that drugs like cialis that block this mechanism can cause harm? How dumb one has to be to deny any possible harm when the drug just turns of a vital function for our health?

>>76737505
Adding onto this and hilariously.
chatgpt when asked contradicts itself immediately.
>no anti-inflammatory and cardiovascular modulating medications cannot cause autoimmune diseases
>however medications that change the immune system can cause autoimmune disease
followed by
quote "can anti-inflammatory or cardiovascular modulating medications change how the immune system functions"
>yes blah blah blah can change how the immune system functions
>any medication that changes how your native immune system functions can cause autoimmune disease
cialis can cause autoimmune disease, no matter how small the risk, it is still a risk factor.

I really think /fit/ is like 90% jeet now and unable to understand basic logic flow.

>>76737524
Stop being a pussy. The benefits outweighs the risks. We are here for a good time not a long time. Be sure to dance on graves when you're 110 years old and fucking all the hot 20 year olds

>>76733538
I do - meant to be good for longevity

>>76737907
There is another option. Just to fix what is wrong. Ir's not normal to have EDm it's normal to wake up with bones and being able to fuck a girl with rock hard dick 3 tikes per day.
Look up into nitric oxide and how it works. Nathan bryan has a lot of info on that. Fix any cardiovascular issues and you don't need any cialis as you didn't need it when you were 14.

>>76738130
>All anons are dumb and don't know how to read
You're hiding your condescending attitude behind fake altruism. I tried it all and it didn't work. Lifting with regular cardio (22 min 5k, 4x a week) and both supps the citrulline and other shorter amino acid to get more n.o didn't work. Very rarely I'd get morning boners, I'd get boners with my girl but always cum quick in 15-20 seconds. I'm >>76736437 and now I'm waking up with a boner every day, my refractory period is gone, I'll nut and stay hard for another 20 min. When I'm washing my dick in the shower, I'll get hard. It's great, it's like being 13 again except now I'm not embarrassed about having hard dick in public. Stop letting risk trigger your autism

>>76734500
I tried to take 5mg a day and I get annoying cramps in the calves that wreck my sleep, the boners were nice, but I can't stand feeling like shit like that. I haven't tried 2.5mg yet.

It's annoying as fuck getting those pills where I live, I stopped caring about it.

>>76733613
>It can cause cardiovascular problems
stopped reading at this absolute load of horseshit
cialis is amazing exactly because of how the vasodilation boosts your cardio gains
I bet you also believe caffeine is bad for your heart's health (it is literally the other way around), don't you, schlomo?

>>76738413
Did you try not using a mouthwash and eating food high in nitrates?

>>76735202
why? never tried either but interested

>>76738854
Tadalafil is the Cialis, Cialis is just the brand name, Tadalafil is much cheaper but depending on the country you live in can be hard to get, I live in Ireland and I can buy Cialis over the counter but can't buy Tadalafil unless it's from another country online and that's illegal here

>>76733538
Good if you're cycling. Very good actually
>heard it's great for pumps, erections, energy and boosts test.
Only good for pumps and erections. It doesn't give you energy and if you want test you should take test

>>76733692
My sources tell me that the ED caused by cialis is largely psychological

>>76738922
There's studies showing it increases testosterone and androgen sensitivity while also reducing estrogen, probably because of all the extra blood flowing to your balls or something. As for the energy I find it helps a lot as soon as I start moving around since the blood gets around my body so quickly I feel awake very fast

>>76734500
>does it really modulate the cardiovascular system?
More research is expected.

But trying to make a extrapolation it would makes sense that it does

>>76738930
I would be very careful with these "studies". I wouldn't take them seriously until there's dozens of studies done on that isolating all variables possible.
>As for the energy I find it helps a lot as soon as I start moving around since the blood gets around my body so quickly I feel awake very fast
Well, that's just what every vasodilator does. Can we actually call that "energy"?

>>76738911
makes sense, appreciate it

>>76738911
I miss the time when you could buy steroids legally in the drugstore without a prescription

>>76733538
is it really good for all that? im prescribed 5mg a day by my doctor bc of ED but idk if id say its something you "feel"

>>76738974
Some people seem to say 5mg a day is almost life changing when it comes to the way they feel but others don't notice it all that much. Maybe there's a genetic proponent to how tolerant you are to it, same with side effects

>>76738979
A lot of it is placebo too.
I feel cialis is the white monster of medicines

>>76738974
it's not a magic pill, and most benefits only comes when you begin doing cardio daily (99% of this board never does cardio)

>>76733538
Occasionally I take 1/3 of a 5mg pill for boners, and that's typically enough to give me hammer-dick, but also gives me the start of a headache. I can't imagine taking 5mg daily "for the pump".

Because it's such a small dose to start, and 1/4 is too little to be effective for me, I don't get the benefit of the long half life. Supposedly the side effects are more front loaded with the dose and then you just have the stuff tapering down in your system, so I'm experimenting with a micro-dosing schedule leading up to planned activity, but that's too much of a hassle to be a realistic solution.

I do my best to hydrate, have a snack, take some Tylenol with it, and that seems to help. Gradually trying to push my dose up to 2.5mg with experimentation. The side effects for me are headache, sinus pressure, very slight blood-pressurey feeling, and sometimes I look like a dang red rubber ball from all the flushing during the sex if I'm working too hard. Sucks, but the boners are worth it.

>>76736740
This is me. I'm 45, been having mid-sex flat tires for years. Cardio, blood pressure, all of that pretty decent, can get a boner any time I want, just have trouble staying hard through the whole sex act sometimes. I would often have to really focus on keeping things exactly perfect if I wanted to finish. With the cialis I can goof off, switch positions, all that jazz. I also never really understood the term "erection quality" until this - sometimes feels like my dick is trying to tear itself apart, it's so stiff. Those are exciting enough that I end up feeling like I can't fuck my wife hard enough, no matter how hard I push. Never felt like that even in my 20's.

kek don't take too much, i took two once because i thought it would make me extra horny, all it did was make my hamstrings hurt like a motherfucker.

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>>76738806
>Listerine is why I didn't have boners
yea okay bro

>>76735202
Cialis is tadalafil. Did you mean sildenafil?

>>76733538
literally kill yourself if you need a pill to make your dick hard

>>76740627
>science has finally solved one of mankind's biggest problems
>this guy suggests suicide if you have the problem that has been solved
The absolute state of this place.

>>76736760
Chatgpt is trained by jew faggots and you've met them in the bath house where you got GRIDS.

>>76738130
Fuck this faggy dweeb with my hard dick. Im 60. I had a good run without ED meds better than younger dudes with the same problem that men used to not disclose, some sadly as early as 40. For me, not willing to quit, I changed the game plan.

Out: fat 250lb me, HBP med, statins, adhd meds, tired, sad, cranky. joint pain, loser.

In: lean 200lb me, gym, reta, cardio, weights, TRT, fish oil, good food, sleep, positive, energized, effective person, leader. I regained the will to live and have the body to make living a joy. Your handwringing and precautionary opinions < my rebirth into my best me.

>>76736720
Oh look, the inflammation schizo is back.

>>76741949
You are fine taking it at 60. It's maybe 1% of people who don't have any cardiovascular issues at that age. Prbbly in my 60s or 70s I'll hop on it as well.
But it's dudes in their 20s and 30s taking it. Even teenagers buy it together with sarms and peptides.

>>76733636
I don’t think it’s a good idea for longevity

I'm 31 and having as much sex as I was having in high school right now, but my dick just can't keep up; fucking a college girl in a week and she wants me to fuck her like 4 times in a row. What do? Cardio is good, lifts are good, but I don't think I'll be able to do any more than 2.

>>76741913
You seem very upset.

>>76742576
I went to 58 before taking pills. I was already lifting and have 600 T before TRT but there other factors. I think young men are being poisoned to have low 200T. If you are under 40 and having erection problems, you must lose the weight, period. You must train and get your heart conditioned, do it every day. Cut the booze and get the sleep. Stress is a boner destroyer. Excercise is a stress destroyer. I was not born a bad motherfucker, I decided to become one and it is not the endpoint but the journey. I remember being fat, soft, heart weak. I am none of these things now and women notice it. My only regret is not starting sooner. First priority, reta and gym. Accept your fate and organize your life around this.

>>76742909
I am the antithesis of upset. I am chill and easy to be around becasue I burn anxiety for fuel. 24 sets total today plus cardio and there is nothing that is going to kill that buzz. You're weak, I get it. You're fat, fix it. Or don't and die of metabolic cancer.

>>76742906
Honey and hydration. I not big on sugar but for a your mission, it is a supurb energy source. Easily metabolized. Anti microbial, lick it off her box. Bees use it as a flight fuel and to run engines in winter to heat the hive. How good is it? Bees get 6000mpg.

>>76743079
>energy
This is good anon thanks, but it's not usually my general energy that gives out, it's my dick; I just can't get rock hard for rounds 3 and 4 like I could in my twenties. Is honey gonna be good for that at all?

>>76743191
Cialis can help, but it sounds like it might be the actual arousal response that’s at fault. If you look on one of the subreddits for penis enhancement, there are some research chems that are supposed to reduce refractory period. Pt141 is one, but there are some new ones as wel

As opposed to Cialis... for women?

>>76743353
I keep hinting to my wife that she should try it. Supposedly makes some women more sensitive.

>>76743044
Right.
And upset people don't just keep posting about how they aren't upset.

You got more you need to get off your chest little dude? want me to pull up a chair?

>>76733612
Haven’t had any problems with this. 5mg of min, 1.3mg of fin and 10mg of viagra per day

>>76733538
blurry vision

>>76743079
Posts in a cialis thread and this retard recommends honey lol. I hate this site

>>76733549
>>76733612
Yeah I don't recommend mixing oral min and cialis.
I don't get any side effects when I take one of them, but when I take both within the same day, my legs swell up, face becomes hot, stuffy nose, stiffness in my lower back, etc.
Oral min makes my dick bigger and my erections diamond hard, so it makes cialis obsolete for me anyway.

>>76733538
I being on 5mg a day for about a year now, never had any side effects. I feel I recover faster and can push harder in the gym.

>>76744519
Oral min?

>>76733538
>microdose
>5mg
that's the daily recommended dose, retard
What it is with microdoseingcels anyway? Just take the drug the way it was meant to be taken.

>>76743364
>>76743345
PT-141 might be the move for women. IIRC it was originally being researched to treat hypoarousal disorder in women, but it also works in men. Takes some work to get the dose right and there can be some nausea up front, but the payoff for men is anywhere from 12 to 72 hours of the best boners you've ever had.
It's an injection though so probably best just for the weekend. You'll get boners all day at work if you use this stuff regularly and that might not be helpful.

As for tadalafil, I like a low daily dose (2.5 mg) because it doesn't give me negative side effects and I still seem to benefit in terms of cognition, workout recovery, etc. If nothing else I look veinier and I like that.

>>76742587
x

Yeah I did it for blood pressure I found it made absolutely no difference for blood pressure but it did give me diamond boners.

I got good pumps before using it so no real changes there