How can a well trained lifter with decades of experience snap his back squatting 135lbs as a warmup? I thought this only affected newbs, not buff dudes.
135lbs is a significant weight that you never squatted yourself.
it's the cumulative damage, his back was already fucked, the squat was the final thing that did it
I heard Bruce Lee snapped his shit doing a good morning with 55 pounds or some shit.
y'all ever reach a certain age when you feel all the tweaks and go "finally understand why everyone just does hiking or plays tennis or whatever" after a certain point , lifting really does have more risk than reward if done unsafely and without perfect technique
>>76739929Fake natty gets injured tale as old as time
>>76740468yeah but for him it was double body weight
>>76740440I wonder if disc herniations that happen during everyday movements for the general population follow a similar cumulative pattern and that day is the day it finally burst and touches the nerve.Even then, muscle is supposed to protect you
He does hack-squats with like 5 plates on each sidehack squats are TERRIBLE for your lower back, unironicallythis doesnt happen with a 1 plate fucking squat, you absolute dweebs
>>76739929bruh, at a certain point in your life, and it's not really far off, like after you mid 30s, but can happen even earlier, you can unironically "snap your back" by getting up incorrectly from your bed, like, one of you muscles will cramp while you're sitting up, it'll make you fart, and then somehow your disc will slipI wish I were joking, I once hurt my neck like that it cramped so bad I got bruises
Squats is one of the most useless and dangerous exercises out there (together with deadlifts). Humans were never meant to pick up heavy things from the ground, not to mention squat with them.If you want muscular legs, do uphill sprints and uphill bicycle sprints.P.S huge quads are gay as fuck.
>>76740981Good thing I'm more than human.
>>76740468he tried to do 1rm with 1pl8 for a photoshoot. still super weak.
>>76740981I recognize this avatar faggot>Humans were never meant to pick up heavy things from the groundYou meant to say subhuman such as yourself
>>76739929Willow spine vs trunk spine strikes again. Need to train yourself to the balance between what you want. And what you want means not injuring yourself.
>>76741105Name a natural scenario where you would be squatting something over and over.
>>76741123Fucking your mom in the ass in the piledriver position
>>76741131>ad hominemI accept your concession.
>>76739929Yes. Herniated discs rarely happen over a sudden incident. They happen due to repeated bad lifts. This guy has bad form/ego lifted for far too long and finally his body could not compensate for it any longer.
>>76740553You're not giving yourself enough time to recover. You're pushing your body too hard, and you ignore all the signals it's trying to send you.
>>76740971Are you really fat/heavy?
>>76741158>reddit redditIt's true though
>>76741105don't respond to him ever. just report for avatar.
>>76740990This is extremely gay
>>76739929>boomer nattycuck keeps lifting like he's on his 20s>refuses to take trt>"i still got it bros">breaks his backTale old as time
>>76740981This.FUCK BARBELL and fuck powerlifting, it's for retards. Destroys spine.But you can train legs with pistol squats and single leg deadlifts. Doesn't damage spine.>>76741123Actually squats might be natural, but not barbell squats. Goblet squats are more natural and they don't allow such heavy weights as barbell squats.>>76741161If you don't squat and deadlift you won't get herniated discs. Fuck barbell.
>>76739929Because the mammallian spine developed in short lived quadrapeds (30-40 years max) and has only recently started to adapt to being bipedal and long lived (70+ years). And our monke mammalian ancestors and cousins are tree hangers used to regular spinal decompression. So on top of being oriented wrong and having a short shelf life, you're adding a bunch of weight to and compressing a spine that is better suited to decompression. Humans would have benefited greatly from another 100k-1m years of natural selection as an upright biped.
>>76741287and what specific adaptations would this 100k-1m years of evolution cause that will reduce the incidence of back injuries?
>a person injures themselves>AAAA YOU WERE NEVER MEANT TO SQUAT YOU FUCKING MONKEY!you were never meant to grow muscular eitherbut here we are
>>76741344Additional natural spinal curvature + thicker intervertebral disc, wider hips, further foot arch development for additional shock absorption. All things we were on track for until we started farming and letting the weak survive and reproduce.
>>76741365Sounds like neanderthals, who last I heard existed before sapiens.
>>76741380they died out after their females started mating with other species, while the males became increasingly solitude
>>76740553>y'all ever reach a certain age when you feel all the tweaks and go "finally understand why everyone just does hiking or plays tennis or whatever"No bc those things are gay and statistically produce many more injuries than lifting weights. Weightlifting is one of the safest physical activities.>after a certain point, lifting really does have more risk than reward if done unsafely and without perfect techniqueSo learn proper technique, friend.
>>76741161Modern rehabilitation science says the opposite. There's no perfect form and conditioning the tissue over several years with tolerable loads (even with bad form) can make it resilient and tough.
>>76740954Im sure this is true but its like the only squat that doesnt hurt my back lol. So yeah I load up 5 plates on it. Inb4 I snap my shit.
>>76739929I injured my shoulder just getting 60s into position for db shoulder press it happens
>>76739929I lifted for 15 years before i snapped my shit literally warming up squats with the bar.You'll have a lot of damage building under the surface before you ever know you snapped.
>female coworker who runs an average of 5 miles every other day tells me I'm gonna fuck my knees from all the squating>ends up needing two surgeries on each knee>bunch od middle-aged coworkers decide to go biking together on sundays>they try to one-up each other buying expensive bikes and racing each other like they're in the tour or something>one breaks his clavicle, another his arm in a gnarly way, another almost dies falling off a cliff>HR has to intervene and tell them to take it easy because half of the department is on medical leave at some point>corporate decides to organize a basketball tournament of sorts for teambuilding or some shit>Miss me with that nonsense>couple of guys almost come to blows, one breaks his nose, another breaks his knee so bad he had to use a crutch for two yearsI'll stick to my squats and deadlifts, thank you very much
>>76741186I'm pretty normal, I'm currently at 16% bf. I hate the idea of being actually fat, the jiggles drive me insane, I only ever leanbulk.
>>76741380Concurrently*, The wide hips are shared with Neanderthals but theirs were also taller in comparison making abdominal movements more limited, but they had shorter spines that were more straight, and had thinner intervertebral disc, along with flat feet. So no, it doesn't really sound like Neanderthals at all.
>>76741591>Concurrently*They both came into existence at exactly the same time?>The wide hips are shared with NeanderthalsCompared to what, a mouse? Neanders are much wider than sapiens.>shorter spinesSo wider relative to length.>flat feetThicker bones.>So no, it doesn't really sound like Neanderthals at all>insufferable faggot thinks he's the only one who can look at a neanderthal skeleton
>>76741607>They both came into existence at exactly the same time?Neanderthals existed alongside our branch of ancestors, europeans and east asians literally fucked them out of existence that's why these 2 races have the highest neanderthal dna %.
>>76741430Based and truthpilled. Tennis and soccer just love tearing ACLs
>>76739929He already had an existing issue, the warmup was the tear drop that made the bucket spill over. >>76741430That's a consequence of lifting with too much intensity all the time. If you go for heavy 5RMs or 3x5's you're more busy with getting the weight up than performing a technique that is safe and feels comfortable. It's often more beneficial esp once you get stronger to do 5 sets of 3 at 80% instead of a 3x5. Systemic wrong technique is also an issue but it can be prevented by videoing yourself from time to time and looking into the things that are causing your poor technique.When you're lifting submaximal like in a 5x3 @80% you also notice that something is making you hurt without immediately getting an injury.
>>76741647>Neanderthals existed alongside our branch of ancestorsNot in the same environment. They spent a million years in Europe before sapiens got there (h.heidelbergensis preceding them) so they might have had time to evolve away from tree dangling.
>>76741240some of us don't have glass bones and paper muscles
>>76739929This is me at 38 yo. Had about 10 slipped discs in my life and finally gave up on deadlifts and squats last week.
>>76741422>they died out after their females started mating with other species, while the males became increasingly solitudewhite peepo in a nutshell
>>76741672ACL, meniscus, all kinds of hamstring injuries as well. With tennis the shoulder is also quite vulnerable.
>>76741422where do you think homo sapiens came from? Human = Hue man, a man of color. Neanderthals were bred out because they had bad social skills and preferred to stay in their caves alone, sound familiar?
A tennis player will never have their backs sent to snap city. Shoulder injuries suck but injuries in non contact sports are less harmful. The meme that weightlifting is safer because of lower incidence rates is retarded because the severity of messing up a heavy lift is much more dire.You can die from bench or eliminate a disk in you spine, which is way worse than anything a sport like Tennis can do. Back pain is awful and is more of a pain than an ACL
>>76739929>front squatsterrible
>>76741123moving a log or a stone that's on the ground, perhaps to build some kind of caveman shelter in this retarded appeal to nature fallacy scenario
>>76741123Meanwhile 35% of the general population has some kind of herniation without symptoms and some of them eventually herniate with pain during some mundane activity like getting out of the car or tying their shoelaces. Meanwhile wormchad squats 140kg with the shittiest form without problems.
>>76742339Lower back lifts make your back resilient to LIGHTER lifts. Retards keep adding weight until it's beyond anything in evolutionary history.
>>76741287Evolution still happens. Those with raptured discs will suffer from a lot of pain, which will decrease their chances of a reproduction. Loke that italina CEO killer who couldn't fuck because of his back pain.
>>76741770based foid dunking on cutoids, lmao
>>76740468probably for like 70 reps
>>76740553back end of 30s and no, still feel pretty much same as 20s
>>76740468He did it with 135 while weighing 135.
>>76740981Literally every single thing in this post is incorrect.
>>76741158And your mom accepts the cocks of this entire board
I don't do squats or deadlifts because they fuck up your backI am stronger than you
>>76741445I've never done a hack squat because none of the gyms I've gone to had one, but I imagine it gives a false sense of security because noobs don't learn how to be stable and brace. Weight is still on your spine, with a barbell squat you quickly learn to brace and be stable and coordinated in general or you fold over like an asshole.I am 33, I lifted heavy at ages 17-20 and took it up again at 30. I'm at 1.5/2.5/3.5/5 and I've practically never had lower back pain in my life, I've injured other stuff but never my back.
>>76739929Yes, you're not supposed to put heavy weight on your spine. Stop with this boomer barbell bullshit, we have better ways to train now.
Will zercher squats save me from this shit. I personally love squatting but I've hurt my back doing them.
>>76739929imaging is not diagnosis... treat the problem not what the imaging shows.
>>76740553After I won a state level powerlifting competition for my 6th consecutive year I quit powerlifting entirely and went to calisthenics/hiit exclusively. Joints and back feel better overall. This was almost a decade ago. Also hopped off gear.
>>76743699Jefferson curls and back extensions are the best. Low back injuries are from neglecting isolated lower back movements. We do isolation work on every other muscle on our body, but there are zero routines out there with any low back isolated movements. Deadlifts and squats are big, compound movements. When those are done correctly, they aren't putting the low back through any range of motion under tension. They are a static hold. Static holds don't build strength and size like moving the muscle through it's entire range of motion while under load.Do jefferson curls, and low back extensions
>>76741430>No bc those things are gay and statistically produce many more injuries than lifting weightsI keep hearing this all the time>yadda yadda lifting the safest sport yadda yadda safer than walking read the peer reviewed studies bro yadda yaddaYet when I used to go the gym pretty much every regular I knew commented on going through pain at some point (it's obvious, but just in case, I'm not talking about fucking DOMS), and many people snapped their shit.
People need to start accepting that sports in general aren't healthy. The grand majority of centenarians led sedentary lifestyles. And it makes sense, humans aren't really built for sports of any kind. The physical activity of cavemen was basically just some walking at a comfortable pace, and then they would hunt a big animal like every 10 days, and a lot of that hunting just involved making traps. I can assure you anons, the stress you generate on your body with one single workout is a lot more than what cavemen experienced in a hunt. And some of you are doing that shit up to 5 times a week.>but making houses required hard work!A one time activity, and the first shelters were ridiculously easy to make. When people started settling down in one place and making bigger, more complex buildings, is when they turned to literal slavery to have shit made, because the elites understood that wasn't good for you. Yet we nowadays have retards applying for manual labour saying "free gym xxdxdxdxdx", basically trying to emulate the life of an ancient slave who would die at 35.
>>76739929Overuse injury.
>>76743811 Yes, manual labor is even worse than gym. With gym you only train one hour, in manual labor you damage your joints for 9 hours and you barely train any muscles, it's cardio.>>76739929 Powersharting victim.
>>76740971I snapped my back once by gently swaying my hips to watch my balls swing around in the mirror after a shower.
>>76743503>I am stronger than youLiterally impossible. By what metric?
>>76743821>OveruseHow can you explain Ivan squatting for 6y every single day, sometimes tired, overworked, slightly sick, with small kids and doesn't get injured? Meanwhile the Buff Dude guy does some powerlifting/bodybuilding program and snaps with 135
>>76745068because ivan does not train, he does one two squats for the camera and proceed slaving for his wife's daily needs.
>>76743811I'm not sure I believe this. Working out builds muscle and muscle makes is strong, and while I think there's merit to the idea that many people exert themselves excessively and accumulate wear and tear on their bodies in the process, to completely forego building muscle to me seems to be setting yourself up for failure. Probably next to no one benefits in the long run from being a bodybuilder but who wants to be weak? There's a middle ground here that we should pursue.
>>76745166*makes us strong
>>76745166>There's a middle ground here that we should pursue.Agreed but with a caveat. If you're natural you're not only limited on how much big and strong you are but also how much wear and tear you can put your body through. If you listen to your body, rest and take it easy when you need it, you can lift safely for years to come, if not a lifetime.
>>76745085he does a ton of other shit including deadlifts and barbell rows
just do belt squats
>>76739929Too much impulse and a lapse in form. Gotta be easy on the drive up. I squat with a fractured spine from a motorcycle wreck 20 years ago. I am old as dirt.. I max at 155 because it is enough to get the benefit which is balance and upper-lower coordination. If you are old or broken, do the heavy in the leg press.
>>76740921The problem is people let themselves get too soft. I mean the dont walk or work or anything. But they also died younger. You have to realize 50 years old now is just beyond middle age if you are a non smoker and not obese,you could live into your 80s and 90s. If you want to remain independent at this age, you need to train. We know the risk factors now, so don't get soft.
>>76740981Squats are key in the entire leg and back development from the feet upward. The biggest muscle groups, the biggest producers of signals for growth to the rest of the body. Very important to avoid falls. Squats or a detuned variation are a top prioriry for training seniors.
>>76745389How useful they are depends on your bone lengths. For some it's all quads, others it's all back.
>>76741123Getting off the shitter. Getting out of a chair. Going down stairs. Sliping off a step and catching yourself or simply not getting injured from it. Walking uphill. Squats make all of these easier. Bitchez mire my legs too.
>>76739929>roided up faggot dies cause roids dont train your tendons and boneswhaaaaa?
>>76741240Single leg blah. Damages knee, does nothing for foot. Fools, I am so old and I squat. Don't overload. So important for balance, critical for old people. Total fitness is important but Squats are a cornerstone strength training movement
>>76745420>Single leg blah. Damages knee, does nothing for foot.Single leg exercises put the same load on knees that dual leg exercises do, but load on spine is half or less. Single leg wins.
>>76745173Wow I never could have guessed what you meant thanks so much for correcting it
>>76745404I seriously doubt anyone gets to a 4 plate squat without big strong legs regardless of their bone lengths.
>>76746040NTA but you're just retarded. You are putting the whole load on ONE knee.
>>76746182Shut the fuck up, you ingrate.
>>76739929squats are a death trap, everyone I've ever seen you does it regularly gets injured eventually.
>>76739929>How can a well trained lifter with decades of experience snap his back squatting 135lbs as a warmup?Accumulated wear and tear of his discs due to heavy, constant and frequent axial loading of the spineBut you people won't listen, keep doing your injurious exercises because "they're the only exercises that make you big".
>>76743811>People need to start accepting that sports in general aren't healthy. The grand majority of centenarians led sedentary lifestyles.Nah. My grandpa is in his late 80s and he still plays tennis x3 a week. Just don't do retarded contact sports and you will be fine.
How much safer are trap bars to barbells?
>>76740553Once upon a time i used to effortpost a lot about it, I started the whole Vulgar vs Noble masculinity and I'm not in the mood to repeat myself, but the long and short of it is that the gym has turned into another vector of control that only seems good on the surface, but restrains you over time and imposes arbitrary rules for life (think the medical system too)I think we're supposed to see how little the returns of gymcelling are, the gross diminishing returns. 1 years into the gym, x5, does not meat the gains of the 1st year, x5. Simple as, and at best you're only developing the strength to grab barbells and plates. At worst, and it baffles me that guys have the gall to argue about it, is that you're developing Vulgar strength: carry furniture, or washing machines, or bags of potatoes, or the strength to change your own tires. Become “useful” and thus only exist to be useful. That's the most basic definition of Vulgar Masculinity, and the Vulgar pride themselves with it (just think about how the guys in trades/blue collar act)The main issue is due to indoctrination, we're unable to see the Noble Masculine as it is. Art. Itself for its own sake, discarding completely the façade of usefulness/functionality. So, whether you do it or not, it does not change who you are, meaning you don't identify with it.The Noble is leisure, the most noblest of men are exempt from working, and seek only mastery and skill, in total contrast to the brute force that needs its usefulness to exist. Noble Masculine men exist as objects of admiration, they are themselves artists and enacters and creators of consequence. Vulgar Masculine gymcels exist to be instrumentalized (military golem or workhorse)
>>76746477False dichotomy. Both seeking form without function, and seeking function without form lead to unnatural, degenerate outcomes. Like the Good and the Beautiful, form and function are ultimately the same and should be sought in unison.
>>76746477I think what you're saying is 1/2/1/2 and I agree.
>>76746477>I started the whole Vulgar vs Noble masculinityOh shit, we've isolated nufit weakling cope patient zero.
>>76741770non White women in Europe, Canada, and the USA have a lower age adjusted total fertility rate than White women do with the exception of American Indians ON reservations and Fresh off the boat ILLEGAL immigrants from LatAm. Non Hispanic Black females aged 15 to 44 in the USA are sitting at a cool 1.2 kids per woman and they only seem to pop out kids while living in EXTREME poverty. Asian women , even Indian and Pakistani women who're foreign born, also have an age adjusted fertility rate lower than 1.2 and somewhere between 14% and 60% of these women, depending on their ethnicity, are cohabiting or are married to a White man. The irony is that "straight White men" are the most likely to have a job and have a girlfriend/wife too
>>76744999Lol
>>76741770Premium ragebait
>>76741522Happy for you & checked but please understand those same people would snap their shit within a few months of weightlifting. It's just the eternal slave type. Greeks were right to ban them from the gymnasium.
>>76746189You are retarded. You put the whole load on one knee but you can only do half load, your muscles can.If you can squat 250lb you aren't going to do pistol squats with 250lb, your muscles are too weak for that.So you will use lighter weight for pistol squats, which will load your knee and quads to the same degree, but the load on spine will be only half compared to squats.>>76746422Pistol squats can build your ass and quads as big as squats. But /fit/ is too dumb for single leg.
>>76746898Best fertility is in countries where they fuck kids. It's a fact.
>>76740468Look at his veins he was on steroids
>>76739929Decades of wear and tear, decades of ignoring small aches and pains that are your body's way of telling you to stop listening to internet meme experts... and here we are.
>>76740553Lifting is fine as long as you do bodybuilding and not powershitting.There's a reason people like Arnold still lift while powershitters are basically cripples in their late 30s.
>>76740971That's because you're training wrong. Training wrong is often worse than not training at all.
>>76740971Fun fact: In the ancient world and middle ages, doing extremely physically demanding jobs like military service into your 60s, 70s and sometimes even 80s was considered normal.You can bet your ass they didn't do heavy squatting to prepare for that.
>>76740981This.At no point in history did a human being ever have to squat 400 for survival.
>>76741230>Buff Dudes>Natty
>>76741365>All things we were on track for until we started farming and letting the weak survive and reproduce.Farmer are stronger, taller, more intelligent and higher test than hunter gatherer subhumans due to better access to fucking food.There's a reason everyone switched to agriculture as soon as possible, it's simply a superior lifestyle.
>>76748442The only country with stable fertility is Israel and nobody knows why. Look it up.
>>76747392He's right though.Whites have left their ancestral ways and started imitating asians around the 90s to late 00s.Consequently, whites are now having asian problems.
>>76748493>and nobody knows whyI know why.* nazism* being in war and danger* ethnic conflict, they try to outbirth their enemies* females have different role than males
>>76740981this
>>76748493>>76748711All retarded takesHasidic Jews have 8 kids per woman of child bearing ageMuslim women have 4Sephardic and Black Jews have 4Modern Orthodox have 3Secular or less religious Jews have 1.5 to 2.0
>>76739929It's like when 1/1000 times that you drink water you accidentally misfire the muscles involved in the swallowing mechanism in way that hurts your throat and makes you cough. Obviously you know how to swallow, but very very rarely, so rarely in fact that you might not make not of it, the process just glitches and doesn't work.Any action, no matter how easy and simple, you'll eventually fail given enough repetitions since your brain's signals always have some amount of error. With weights the problem is that the inevitable failure can injure you. Compound exercises require a lot of muscle coordination, if something in that chain is not firing for whatever reason, the whole movement can be compromised and the tension required to protect your spine etc. just will not be there and you'll fold under the weight.
>>76748488gathering<farming<pillaging
>>76745380i.e., the difficulty level of life rises over time. You need to play better, the longer you play, or the increased difficulty will catch up with you.It's very tiresome to say this obvious thing and have kids go "nuh-uh, I have money now and I didn't have money before." Good that you have money. Spend more of it on fitness programs and stuff like https://thenordstick.com/products/back-buddy cause you can't wad it up and stuff it into your spine.
>>76740954Jeet nigger what? Hack squats are way easier than regular squats, 5 plates is normal weightCurse vishnu
>>76748488>proceeds to be annihilated by sea peoples then steppe nomads for thousands of years
>>76749707Does anyone here do low back isolation and has it improved symptoms or lifts?
