I hate how random dude bros take some steroids, train like absolute dog shit, are weak as fuck, don't do any of the main lifts, and light baby weights, and yet still get a fully developed muscular body, all because they took some steroidsIt's criminal how this is even a thing, it makes me question everything about life.And dont be some ignorant annoying faggot and say something like>erm maybe actually they're doing it right XD!!!!11I fucking hate this reponse so much, because it is a 100% fact if anyone who is natural trains like that (random lifts, only use baby weights) that they will NEVER make any progressThese guys gains are 100% injected, they get the results IN SPITE of their dog shit training methods which will NEVER work for someone who is actually natural
>>76741446what weight and height are those dude bros at muscle?
>>76741446you are right, i see very buff youngsters swinging at the pull-up bar as if it's their first time. you dont actually need to lift to gain muscle when on gear, lifting just enchances the results. if you think about this isn't the only area in life where fraud wins.
>>76741446>be me>natty>lift weights>eat healthy>get lean>start looking good>didnt even need to take steroidsif youre gonna be a whiny little bitch just take the steroids. a roided out fizeek is genuinely unattractive to most women, so why do you even care that a roidhead is making more gains than you? of course they're going to, they're taking the drug that makes them make gains. its genuinely not hard to get in shape without steroids, so stop being a crybaby bitch about it.
>>76741446Caring about other dudes bodies sounds gay anon.
>>76741467Dude, you missed the point entirelyYes I look good, and Im sure you do too.We have the >Yeah that guy looks good, he's fitBut we dont have that>"WOW, THAT GUY KNOWS WHAT HES DOING, HE STICKS OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB, DAAAAMN!
>>76741498bro, why do you fucking care? women are more attracted to lean guys, while men, including yourself, can tell that they're roiding, so what aspect of this is bothering you?its like watching someone using hacks in a game and being mad that they're winning. like no shit they're gonna beat the game easily, they're cheating. no ones impressed by it. no one else cares except for you.
>>76741508Maybe because it's frustrating when I'm training hard, I Incline Dumbbell Press 50kg dumbbells for reps, and then some roider comes in the gym and does some seated cable fly machine for a few half assed sets and then does some tricep pushdowns with baby weight and is 2X my size and leaner....If i trained like that I'd literally have made 0 gains,Its insane what these guys can get away with having such disgustingly poor training methods and still make godly results
>>76741512so fucking what? it's literally irrelevant to your life. and they're gonna die when they're 40. if you think the benefits outweigh the costs, then take roids yourself. otherwise quit bitching and recognise that whatever benefits theyre getting DON'T outweigh the costs.
>>76741512>some roider comes in the gym and does some seated cable fly machine for a few half assed sets and then does some tricep pushdowns with baby weight and is 2X my size and leaner....Most roiders train like this because they have 0 incentive to train hard because the gear does most of the work, it's like cheating in a video game, you basically just have to show up and let the cheats do the work.But honestly I would get bored with the gym if how i trained did not really matter at all in the slightest. It makes sense now why steroid users get bored of the gym so quickly, it's like playing a video game with god mode on, unlimited ammo, everything unlocked, no clip, etc, the game would get boring a lot faster that way compared to playing it normally
>>76741446They're trading happiness from the rest of their life for about a year of feeling better. Either they go off and feel like shit and deflate, and wonder why they ever bothered, get freakish and eyerolled at by most people of both sexes, or maintain "decent" by injecting stuff for many years and feel insecure so they have to shit talk natties here.
Steroids should be illegal and punishable.But I don't envy steroiders much, they are weak for what they look, they trade their health and longevity for muscles. If they stop steroids their testosterone will drop below normal.Also steroids are not fun, it's more fun to slowly build numbers in the gym and have it fun for years. Steroids will make you too big too soon.
>>76741446Weird jealous faggots like you just make naturals look pathetic. Everyone knows roids make getting a good physique laughably easy. That’s the whole point. To be a based natural is to not give a fuck about that, and that includes not shitting your pants every time you see some zoomer roidtranny with big muscles.
>>76741446The amount of crying and coping on /fit/ is really annoying
>>76741576>>76741599glad to see everyone on this thread calling him out tho 2bh. i think /fit/ is probably 66% people who do actually lift and eat well and make slow but steady progress 33% people who bitch and moan and create bait threads and dont really lift.
>>76741576Weirdest thing to me is that roiding won't make you attractive to women, women value tall and wide men over anything else, this means you already had good genetics and predisposition for naturally above average testosterone before you took roids, because roids don't make your bones grow.Roiding for those people is like drinking coffee after perfect 8 hour sleep is to an office worker.
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maybe stop caring about social media asthetics and start lifting for strength. I personally believe trying to do natty bodybuilding and staying bodybuilder lean is a waste of time, might as well roid if that is the goal. You can't cheat strength to nearly the same degree
Stop steroids.
>>76741446I trained a 50 year old woman and she looked confused how she was lifting more than the roidapes in that gym after only 2 months. From day 1 of training I instilled good intensity habits, how to train the muscles effectively, how to gage when to push and when to back off on volume, all the good stuff, and she matches or exceeds their strength. She makes fun of them now because of how shitty they train and how they pretend to work hard to stroke their ego. She's obviously not bigger than them but when someone finally gets to see how badly these MtM trannies train and how much of what makes them good comes out of a bottle it becomes laughable
>>76741518Unless they (obviously) don't have the cognitive skill to figure out they're making a massive mistake. In which case they should be shit on all day and night until their heart or liver fails, whichever comes first
Will any of you natty CHADS post bodies/lifts? I’m sure you blow those roiders out of the water, you just have body dysmorphia
>>76741576Nta but every time I see someone who obviously uses gear I view them exactly like I'd look at an alcoholic or a ho. It's worth pity more than anything in almost every case I've seen
>>76741512>i DB press 50kg’s for reps No you don’t>a roider comes in 2x my size does some half assed pec flies and leavesNo he didntThis is such a strange LARP because anybody who has taken steroids knows for a fact that it isn’t true. You don’t get an impressive body by taking steroids and half-assing workouts, steroids aren’t magic. It’s so bizarre to read posts like these.
>>76743634Exactly, loads of guys take and you couldn’t tell. Theyre bloated and watery from high e2, they eat like shit and are 25% bf etc etc. OP only hyper fixates on the ones that are lean and actually locked in nuitritionally.
>>76743745The guys he’s talking about have their shit dialed in more than he ever will. That’s why he’s mad.Also, just because a person trains a certain way when you saw them doesn’t mean they train that way exclusively. There are so many different programs and ways to program a routine. DYEL is just jelly and mad so he has to do that thing that every woman does to the prettiest woman in the room when they know the woman is better than them so they have to make up a scenario about her so that the pretty woman is actually beneath her>ugh, look at that fucking bitch over there.. drinking her drink like a slut.
>>76741446Yes it is a fake and gay society where lying and cheating are required to stand out. Steroids are baby stuff. The truly powerful people cheat on levels you can't even imagine. Get used to effort not equaling results.And I've got bad news if you're just jealous because of women or something. They don't do any better than you do. There's no easy solution.
>>76741446why is the muzzle edited in? what was there originally
>>76743634>>76743745>>76743755>pretending steroids aren't doing nearly all of the work for youthey will never admit to it
>>76741446>I hate how random dude bros take some steroids, train like absolute dog shit, are weak as fuck, don't do any of the main lifts, and light baby weights, and yet still get a fully developed muscular body, all because they took some steroidsyou literally made this all up in your head just now and typed it out. You never saw this happen and never will.
>>76741446And why are you throwing a tantrum about it, baby?
>>76741512>some roider comes in the gym and does some seated cable fly machine for a few half assed sets and then does some tricep pushdowns with baby weight and is 2X my size and leaner....more imaginary gibberish
>>76743619>50 year old woman and she looked confused how she was lifting more than the roidapes in that gym after only 2 months.your larps getting lower effort by the minute
>>76744204The less weight part is unironically true.Weight doesn't matter if you're using wrong muscles to compensate.
>>76743626apparently they're all stronger than roiders though
>>76741446>and yet still get a fully developed muscular bodynever happened lol
>>76744197>There is a scientific study that shows people who take steroids and don't train, have more muscle growth than people without steroids that train.for the 123467th time its water and glycogen you retard. You never even read the study and wouldnt understand if you did
>>76744213>Weight doesn't matter if you're using wrong muscles to compensate.more meaningless made up gibberish
>>76743959>they will never admit to itThey don't even *know* it. None of them trained hard for 5 years first.
It's funny seeing DYELs seethe when testosterone is dangerous, if you exercise wrong, such high growth can easily ruin your life to the point where you will be in constant chronic pain from imbalanced muscles pulling wrong on your body.
>>76741446Maybe lift too much heavy for a year just see what it does nerd
>>76744220>for the 123467th time its water and glycogen you retard. You never even read the study and wouldnt understand if you didDoesn't matter. Steroids grow muscles without training, muscles are bigger, bodybuilders and normies only care about looks, not strength.
>>76743959>>76744238If you take steroids and don’t work out/barely work out, nothing happens. I made more gains by not being on roids than half-assing it while not eating right/drinking and working too much and not lifting effectively.It’s so funny that you’re blaming steroids for your own personal lack of capability to do something. Woman moment, lmao
>>76745114***while taking roids and half-assing things Steroids don’t make you big just by taking steroids, you have to have some idea about what you’re doing. Especially when it comes to diet
>>76745120You also have to know what exercises to do, muscle imbalance will ruin your life when you have unnaturally fast growth.
>>76741446that's because retards here don't understand that hormones are literally more important than anything elseif you have good insulin and insulin sensitivity you won't get fatif you have good testosterone levels you will be jacked without tryingetc etcyou should hormone-maxx, not focus on anything else
>>76745120>Steroids don’t make you big just by taking steroidsYes they do. With steroids you don't need to do anything, you could even be vegan and sleep 5 hours per day, faggot.
>>76746078No, they don’t. Why do you think that they do?You should post body. Why hasn’t anybody crying about roiders posted their body? The exalted natural lifters are SURELY well past DYEL territory.. right?
>>76746085It takes 10+ years for a natty to really pop-off, nobody on this board has done any serious lifting for more than one gym session.
>>76746085science literally says so, certain steroids increase muscle mass even if all you do is to jack off all day. but if you also combine it with exercises, you get bigger much faster. one cycle can increase muscles mass more than a nattie in several years, while remaining LEAN
>>76746109The only way to be bigger is to have bigger skeleton, and roids don't increase your bone size unless you're 10 years old.
>>76741467>a roided out fizeek is genuinely unattractive to most womenretard alert
>>76746109My actual experience says that you are interpreting the science incorrectly. That simply is NOT true. The fact that you not only believe this to be true, but are actually foaming at the mouth because you’re so upset about something that isn’t true, is actually a little shocking.You can blast grams of steroids while sitting on your ass and you might gain “fullness” or whatever due to glycogen retention, but you aren’t making actual gains.It’s insane that your brain is the way that it is.
>>76746288High test is positively correlated with high IQ so he might benefit from some TRT.
>>76744211I'm being for real. She sees them swinging around a 20lb dumbbell staring the mirror pretending to work and curls the 25 with cleaner form. She's nooticing how pathetic these dudes are
>>76744211Post body https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX4VNXnD0Dc
>>76741446Theyre probably a lot more regimented than youd think which is sometimes a bad thing, the cheap gym is just where you go to hit cables a ton and i honestly prefer 5min rest or more to develop strength on the shit i cant hit well with freeweights like rear delts and tris.
>>76745087>Steroids grow muscles without trainingno they dont. If they did you never see a roider wasting his time in the gym
>>76748160I've seen 12 yo kids playing around in the gym deadlifting that much
>>76743626My physique is actually quite impressive id have thought its impossible a few years ago, i look like a completely different person. If i posted it here then every gay guy on this god forsaken website who saw it would save it to their hard drive and id just have to live with that.
Why aren't natties allowed to be frustrated by roiders? What kind of gaslighting shit is this>?
>>76748246Because your testosterone is already lower than a roider's, you don't have to actively signal that it is even lower than we thought.Doing so makes both men and women stop seeing you as a man altogether. You're like a child that can never grow up. Shut the fuck up, pathetic loser, you'd be killed in tribal societies for being a weak whiny worthless bitch that needs to be fed for 0 benefit.
>>76741446I think a lot of people really in to lifting are in fact roiding most people just dont get to autistically obsessed and arent already on juice. You can make insane progress in 1yr just to find actual good advice is nearly impossible since you need lifting iq and matured endocrine system and androgen receptors for fast progress like bigger by the week fast. For example, i did rowing in highschool and my lats are insane with bareky any effort. I have been bench maining for over 3 fucking years now i can flex and it looks sick and still feels like im barely at half genetic max.
>>76748273Everyone "making fast gains" is without a doubt roiding or egolifting.I know this very well, my shoulder has a scar proving it.
>>76748246We just know what's best for you anon.
>>76748221>no they dont. If they did you never see a roider wasting his time in the gymWrong. Roiders train so they can lie to themselves that it's not roids building their muscles but it's their training.
>>76748446Even then they will only bench 1 plate for 10 and do some lat Pulldowns and call it a day and claim they train hard and have the secrets and that steroids are just the icing on the cake brah!I think it’s the fact roiders literally don’t understand how natural gains occur so they have no clue we know the way they train did not result in their gains, that it’s literally all drugs doing the work
>>76748446>>76748461To give an analogy it’s like people who buy ranking boosts in online competitive video games and you try queue up into the ratings you got boosted too, and every legit player can immediately tell you’re not a real high rated player and that it’s obvious you got boosted But the boosted player can brag to random people who don’t understand how the game works, but they can understand what being a highly ranked player is
>>76748470And how does that affect you personally?
>>76748473it doesnt because he made the whole thing up in his head
>>76741446>THEYRE CHEATING IT ISNT FAIRYou know tou can take the same drugs? But you cant because youre an ignorant pussified natty retard. You lack the faustian spirit of the gear abusing zoomer. You'd fuckinf cry in front of an insulin needle. Fucking natty 4chancels appealing to some higher morality of 'cheating" you fucking jerk off daily lmfao
>>76741467> be me> natty> 6'4" 220 lbs up from 173 lbs 4 years ago> Hit 1/2/3/4 for 10 reps> Workout 3x weekly for 35-45 minutes> Look and feel great, 99% of strength for my age (32)> penis works great, no bacne, not killing my IQ or increasing chances of cancer by using a stackI don't use: sleeves, Suites, warm up, pre-workout, protein powder, supplements of any kind. My wife makes me 2 large meals and that's all I eat. I do use lifting shoes and straps when I DL >=5pl8 as I have small wrists but that's my cross to bear.I don't know why people roid. I'm happy with this. Maybe when I hit the wall I'll feel worse but I'm already stronger than I ever thought I could be.
>>76750290> natty> 6'4" 220 lbs up from 173 lbs 4 years ago> Hit 1/2/3/4 for 10 repscongats on putting on 40lbs of fat
>>76750409All muscle my man, .5 lbs every 2 weeks. I'm not stopping to 240 lbs. Hit 225 lbs on OHP this week.
>>76750461>All muscle my man, .5 lbs every 2 weeks.lol sure ok
The gaslighting by roid tranny’s is unreal
>>76741446Maybe try more during the sets and not on the drawing board
>>76750521>Beleiving in the myth that you can only gain X ammount of muscle in X ammount of timeNGMI, never ever
>>76750615I sure you must gain lbs a week of muscle then. nattyPost body
>>76748279I want gains that i can keep though. Roids are gay and if you saw my physique pics youd think i look cooler than the floaties and knee pads roider look.
>>76751026Roids look incomplete and gay, like you make up rules at yugioh as a teenager vs an elementary schooler. Show me one roider who can punch as hard as me when i hit 225 1rm bench.
>>76751043>when i hit 225 1rmin other words never. But by all means keep bragging about what your physical prowess will be like in the distant future, if ever.That's not insecure at all.
