Bros is it normal to be so exhausted after weighted pull ups that you cannot do any other exercise that day?
Yo I have no idea but that image is funny
>>76741604not really but it is an exhausting exercise. maybe lower the weight or reps slightly. even a small reduction might make you capable of fitting in other major lifts. e.g. if you're doing 3x8, even just cutting off 2 reps from each set might mean you have enough energy to fit in an entire 3x8 of a different exercise, and sacrificing 6 total reps of pull ups to gain 24 total reps of say for example dips will almost certainly be worth it overall (even if you're getting less training specific to your back)
>>76741604For any group? No I wouldn't say that's normal. But I would say it's relatively normal to not be able to do many consecutive high recruitment lifts in row. Like I can't do more than couple sets of seated cable rows before my lat pull downs are gone to shit and I'm losing 2 or 3 reps on those no matter how long I rest.If you're under carbing and just don't enough glycogen or blood sugar to get through your workouts before the weakness sets in you gotta carb up a bit. About 3 or 4 hours in advance is usually required to have it converted by then
>>76741604Gumption is by far the most important thing you need to have to make consistent progress long termThere are all kinds of weak men trying to normalize bitching out instead of gritting your teeth and grinding through it"Don't train to failure, train 8+ reps on the big lifts, do a bro split"All weak men refusing to do what's optimal because "it hurts =("When I was optimizing into my peak bodybuilding stats, I was maxing every compound every 2 days and then every one every single day at the endDid I stop and bitch about being "sleepy n tired"? Absolutely fucking notAnd that's how I broke an FFMI of 30 as a natty People don't think it's possible because they just don't have it in themselves to do what needs to be done to get there
>>76741622>>76741630I can only do pulling exercises because of the metal plates in my humerus that prevent me from doing any pressing. I just did weighted pull ups in 3-5 rep range, then some wrist curl/reverse wrist curl and im basically done for the day, im so fucking exhausted.
>>76741638Oh you're new to this?But yeah carb up. You can probably still fly for chest and supported tricep extension machine since it's not applying shearing force/flexion to the bones themselves. And leg press/leg curl because they don't require you to manipulate a heavy bar with your arms.
>>76741638ive never heard of someone having that issue but isnt it fairly unhealthy to only do pulling exercises? in the sense that you can create a muscle imbalance that can cause mobility issues or something down the line. ive definitely heard its bad to only do pushing exercises so i imagine the inverse is true as well.either way its fine to feel exhausted after just a small of exercise if you're a beginner just keep working and slowly but surely you'll be able to do more and more work before you feel exhausted.
>>76741659It's actually hard to imbalance pulling muscles since they're supposed to be stronger relative to pushing ones. If someone has a heavier bench than row they're probably have that curved back hunch posture. I would even go so far as to say you should hold back on bench if your row is not up to par to avoid posture issues.
>>76741604no, youre out of shape and weak, go hard in the paint kiddo then sleep hard and eat hard
>>76741638how many unweighted pull ups can you manage? if you're doing less than 3x12 i would recommend you work up to that before you start doing them weighted. i suppose there is practical value in doing something for only 3 reps but i think thats mostly for powersharters. so it depends on your goals but if you're mainly aiming for aesthetics and general health/fitness reducing to a weight where you can do a higher rep range would likely be beneficial.
>>76741682What does sleep have to do with this retard?
>>76741705is this bait? getting enough sleep is vital to being able to train hard and progress.
>>76741604Yes if you max out and go to failure on any exercise then that's exhausting.
>>76741706Sleep is overrated, just get 6-7 hours and you’re good, training hard is all that matters. Also diet is not that that important
>>76741723no one else reply this is bait
>>76741703I can do 10 clean form pull ups at 77kg bodyweight. +10kg weight I did 3x5 today. >>76741659Idk but Im gonna get the plates removed soon so that wont be a issue
>>76741723I've been saying this for years but retards are only beginning to realize the truth now. Sleep, diet, supplements, all bullshit. All that matters is that you keep lifting heavier and heavier. You can eat 20% protein 80% carb diet and as long as the weight on the bar goes up you are going to get bigger and stronger.
>>76741728you will literally die if you never eat fat
>>76741729>you will lose weight if you eat less fatwow, thanks anon, I thought I was supposed to cut out crabs instead
>>76741739wtf are u talking about. you will lose weight if you eat less calories, and gram for gram fat has more than double the calories of carbs or protein, sure. so yeah you will lose weight if you eat less fat gram for gram. but you need fat to survive. it is an essential nutrient. im sick of retards shitting up this board with retarded meme diet philosophies. just eat a healthy balance of macros. its is so uncomplicated.
>>76741604It's impossible to read Don Quijote, everyone who claims to have read it is just pretending, and he actually just read a summary somewhere.The book is the size of a cinderblock with a tiny ass font, and it's about the retarded adventures of a demented old man that thinks he's a knight (a century after knights stopped being a thing).I'm a native Spanish speaker, and I couldn't read more than a chapter and a half without falling asleep. Now I have the book standing with Cervantes' portrait on it, looking at me with disdain for having given up on reading it. The guilt is consuming me but I just can't get myself to pick it up. It's like a curse. Don't fall in the same trap that I did. Don't read El Quijote. You have been warned.
>>76741706then why can i train hard and progress with little sleep?
>>76741755Post body and sleep log.
>>76741755because its obviously possible to train hard and progress with less than ideal sleep? you'll just feel a lot better, find it a lot easier, and make better progress if you do get enough sleep. i guess maybe i shouldnt have said vital if you wanna be a pedantic dickhead but its very clearly relevant to the conversation.
>>76741762How much sleep are we talking about? You do realize the big guys in /cbt/ and strong anons in general who lift more than 2pl8 bench actually have family duties and work 8 hours a day? Not everyone is a neet who can sleep more than 8 hours. Also my favorite time of the day is scrolling right before bed so I sleep at 2 and wake up at 9. I’m still breaking prs left and right >>76741759Who the fuck tracks sleep
>>76741748Agreed. I got to about a 100 pages in and quit because I'd rather spend my time on more interesting literature. IIRC it was supposed to be a short story and he expanded on it in later years. After reading the classic bits (the bar, the wench, the mills etc) you've basically finished the book and no need to read any further.
>>76741776My smartwatch does. I normally use it only to count steps, but sleep tracking function is useful too.
>>767417595 hours a night on average. 7 on a rare good night.
>>767417767hrs 30mins~ is optimal so you're literally coming on here saying sleep isnt important when you get pretty much the ideal amount of sleep that everyones saying is important to get you fucking retard. also you're talking about family duties and work when you literally wake up at 9 so you could clearly afford to get more if you wanted to. god you're such a fucking retard.
>>76741795>could clearly afford to get more if you wanted toI’m too stressed from owning my business
>>76741776>not all of us are neets like you who can afford 8 hours of sleep a night! some of us have family duties like scrolling until 2am that we need to attend to!
I wish I could scroll until 2am but bossman said I have to be 5 mins before 6 am and prepare my workstation and I won't be paid for that.
>>76741802you're stressed? if only there was some sort of restful practice you could participate in that has been shown to reduce feelings of stress!!!https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/pdf/10.1098/rsfs.2019.0092
>>76741810tl;dr it's placebo that doesn't work for actually stressed peopleAlso you can't explain what I should do if my stressor is another person being alive.
>>76741637This. Every post you see about "RDLs" or some squat variation or anything else to get out of doing the hard work is a weak bitch who doesn't deserve to make it, and won't.
>>76741814How the study concludes:>A consensus exists regarding the cardinal contributions of sleep to mental and physical health with a multitude of studies pointing out the adverse consequences of disturbed sleep [182–185].What the retarded anon sees:>it's placebo that doesn't work for actually stressed peoplegod you're such a fucking moron. oh well, cant help someone that doesnt want to help themself.
>>76741831>just don't get your sleep disturbed bro>no, you can't just kill the retarded fag who woke you uphow is your study useful, kill yourself
>>76741728I'm guessing you are not very muscular and don't have big lifts
>>76741748Do most Spaniards claim to have read it? I made a decent dent into it (in English not that it matters) but I'm not really into "satire" and it's kind of just satire all the way through. I plowed through the entirety of Livy and Gibbon so I'm not averse to long difficult things but Don Quixote I didn't even get close. MAYBE a quarter of the way and I don't remember that much. It wasn't bad by any stretch but it wasn't really for me.
>>76741833woah, telling someone to kill themself just because they're saying getting a goods night sleep is healthy? sounds like you might be a bit upset and stressed, anon. maybe go take a nice nap, it might help you feel better.
>>76741846>just sleep during the day brohow is this gonna help me sleep better at night you fucking clown
>>76741810The #1 way to reduce stress is to recognize and remove the source of stress. That's it. All other answers are just different coping mechanisms that only delay solving the problem, and therefore support the existence of said stress.Here are the most common sources of stress:>shitty job, with bad pay, bad hours, or bad coworkers, being disrespected, humiliated and belittled, etc.>not earning enough money, lack of material success>not socializing and not having likeminded friends IN REAL LIFE (online doesn't count)>not having enough social status or respect from other humans>living conditions not good enough, especially compared to other people>lack of romantic partner and regular sex as an adult maleNo amount of positive thinking, supplements, special diets, meditation routines or whatever else will ever make up for failing to fulfill your needs.
>>76741833>my favorite part of the day is staying up til 2am scrolling! you dont need sleep!>actually its stress that keeps me up because im huge successful business owner! and my business is so successful that im stressed all the time!>actually im so gay that I'm obsessed about another person being alive and that's what keeps me up all night!grim
>>76741852theres no cure all solution for stress, but getting enough sleep will help your mental and physical health and thats an objective fact. all other things being equal, if theres one guy getting 8 hours of sleep a night and another getting 4, the guy whos sleeping properly will feel far happier, healthier, and less stressed.
>>76741864low IQ take
>>76741871(You)
>>76741838It might be easier to read if it's a translation. Have in mind we are reading the original, in the Spanish that was spoken like 400 years ago.It's not terrible, because Spanish as a language was standardized very well from the beginning, and it's easy to understand, hasn't changed that much.But the way it was written, with its long-winded sentences, is painful to read, at least to me.>Do most Spaniards claim to have read it?It's like a meme that most people claim to have read it, but really haven't. It's a cliché in Spanish culture. Most people don't claim to have read it.Many but not all get a copy of it in high school but only read some sections, the relevant ones to pass the tests. Few actually take the effort to read the whole thing.We do the same thing with The Song Of Mio Cid. But that is more than 800 years old, and the "Spanish" of back then is actually hard to understand.>>76741783>IIRC it was supposed to be a short story and he expanded on it in later years.True. Originally it was published kind of like japanese light novels are published today: Volume after volume, without really an overarching plot that constrains the length of the book, the author milking it for as long as possible then hurriedly finishing it at the end. It was never intended from the beginning to be one book.
>>76741885Sleep has 0 effect on stress levels. If you can sleep 8+ hours, you have no stress. There's no other correlation, retard.
>>76741901dumbest shit ive ever read. i linked you a study demonstrating a reciprocal relationship, you chose to ignore it, nothing else to be done here.
>>76741907It's not reciprocal. Retardmaxxing is the only way to sleep 8+ hours.
>>76741864There is a cure-all solution to stress, and that solution is satisfying your needs.Your "evidence" for sleep curing stress is pure selection bias. It's not that more sleep will cure stress, it's that lack of stress allows you to sleep better. That's why they correlate.The people who can sleep well in the first place are the ones who don't have stress because they have most of their basic needs covered.The people without their basic needs covered and living precariously are stressed all the time, which prevents them from getting proper sleep.Sleeping for an extra hour or two doesn't make the credit card debt you're worrying about magically disappear, or your abusive boss suddenly respect you and give you a raise, or make your nagging wife shut up and give you a blowjob.Most stress is caused by real problems that make you worry about all the time. Lack of sleep is more usually than not a CONSEQUENCE of stress, not its cause.Forcing yourself to sleep more might improve the situation in the short term, but it's not a real solution to stress.
>>76741925Also I actually tried to read this shitty study and it's on rodents, what a waste of my time.Rodents aren't humans, they literally do not have category of stress that makes humans unable to sleep. They don't have a brain capable of making up stress out of thin air. All subhuman species in fact do not have this, that's why the only useful study will be done on humans, who can generate infinite anxiety over simplest things.
>>76741925>There is a cure-all solution to stress, and that solution is satisfying your needs.yes, and one of your needs is getting enough sleep.>>76741930almost all biological research is on rodents. the basis of all modern medicine comes primarily from research into rodents, and that extends to research into neuroscience and psychology. have you never even slightly looked into the biological sciences? even someone who has only looked into them at a surface level would know that.
>>76741947>almost all biological research is on rodents. the basis of all modern medicine comes primarily from research into rodents, and that extends to research into neuroscience and psychology. >have you never even slightly looked into the biological sciences? even someone who has only looked into them at a surface level would know that.Appeal to authority. Maybe they should study actual humans if they wanted to be taken seriously.His point about humans being fundamentally different psychologically from rodents still stands.Show us a study about rodents that have to pay a mortgage and deal with a nagging wife and work a wage job, and maybe I'll consider it. ;^)>yes, and one of your needs is getting enough sleep.One out of a dozen different needs. My point about lack of sleep being more commonly a consequence than a cause of stress still stands.
>>76741967its not an appeal to authority, its showing the wealth of knowledge we have been able to obtain by using rodents as a model for humans. we have cured so many diseases and established so much knowledge from research into rodents, but its not good enough for some retards on 4chan to accept a common consensus (which also has been studied in humans but im not going to bother wasting my time looking through more studies that you wont bother to read or be able to understand.)your argument is that rodents dont face real stressors? seriously? you think someone not getting their dick sucked by their wife is stressful enough to stop you from sleeping properly, but a rodent who regularly has to fight for survival, scouring the world for scraps of food, avoiding predators, watching their pack get snatched up by owls every night, dont face real stressors? stress comes from one of the most fundamental lizardlike parts of our brains. all living organisms, including plants, have evolved to feel stress, and as such using rodents which have surprisingly similar physiology to us can be very effective as a model for research into stress.stress and stressors are not some objective reality. how you respond to stressors is nuanced and dependent on the person. one person getting fired from their job might kill themself, another might say "oh well, i'm sure I'll get another one soon", and a third person might not quite kill themself but they might stay up all night worrying about it. Did you ever stop to wonder what might influence these differences in perspective? Could it be, gasp, a mixture of environmental and genetic factors? Could one of those environmental factors be general health and sleep quality? Could it be that theres a wealth of research demonstrating a reciprocal relationship between sleep and stress, and that generally having good health and high quality sleep could influence how you respond to stressors?
>>76741997Rodents are psychologically fundamentally different from humans. Period.No amount of insults and dancing around this obvious fact will change it. Your precious studies weren't enough to prove otherwise. Accept the L and move on.
>>76742005Just retardmaxx, there’s no other way
>>76741997I'm sure it undoubtedly is a good model for a NPC like you, but I actually have a soul, a consciousness, dreams, aspirations and worries, I anticipate future and sometimes dread over the past, my brain has activity not present in rodents so fuck off, nigger.
>>76742005>>76742027>Rodents are psychologically fundamentally different from humans. Period.you're disagreeing with one of the most fundamental techniques in the biological sciences, which is using rodents as a model for human behaviour. nontheless, here is a selections of studies showing the effects of sleep deprivation on stress conducted on human participants. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6448892/https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0306453017316037https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Anders-Sjoedin/publication/319338035_Does_stress_influence_sleep_patterns_food_intake_weight_gain_abdominal_obesity_and_weight_loss_interventions_and_vice_versa/links/5b74067a92851ca65062198f/Does-stress-influence-sleep-patterns-food-intake-weight-gain-abdominal-obesity-and-weight-loss-interventions-and-vice-versa.pdf
>>76742047Yes, we are disagreeing because we are capable of independent thought.
>>76742050heres your (You)
>>76742050>wespeak for yourself (kek @ >>76742054)
>>76741604No that's not normal.
>>76741827Based and /fit/ness blackpilled
>>76741604Pic unironically works for sacred texts but don't tell the sages I said that
>>76741604Your cardio sucks, supplement with somethingYou should be able to do exercises in other parts of your body since acid buildup should be mostly local
>>76741748sounds based
>>76741604All I do on back day when I do weighted pull ups is weighted pull ups. About 150 of them. Then I collapse, eat 2 cans of chicken or tuna with a protein shake, and sleep for about 2-3 hours.
>>76741604Asian languages have entered the chat.
>>76741604If you are a complete beginner with low work capacity yes.Drop the weighted pull ups and do very high volume with low intensity for a couple months to build work capacity, you can do a max strength set at the end to maintain your current strength.This will increase work capacity, prevent injury and improve recovery.Do this every time you feel like this or you stall on your lifts.
>>76741604It shouldn't exhaust you to the point of being unable to do any other exercises, but it should take the wind out of your sails. It's the hardest exercise to do.
>>76741852That's brutal. Only a tiny percent of guys now days would make it on all of those.
>>76741612/lit/ is consistently the funniest board
