I don't want to do these anymore. The ratio of fatigue to actually working my back is the worst of any exercise I've ever done. Wrecks my lower back, even doing the Pendley form and dropping to ground and focusing on explosive lifting up.I'm switching to cable or chest supported
>>76756029>its hard>im quitting
Hahaha what? What the fuck do you think that fatigue is?? That MEANS you're working your back. If you don't have fatigue you aren't working out. That fatigue from compound lifts means your working out 40-70 muscles. When you work a machine you're working out 2-3 muscles.
T-Bar rows are GOAT for isolating back. I also don't like bent over rows and don't do them. I have a 1,610 lb raw total, so you know I'm not a n00b.
I dont understand fatigue faggotsUnless you're a pro 6 weeks out and want to limit stress and bloating and optimize your training to minute details it doesn't matterAt your level running a program that makes you do 5x5 or 3x12 and you feel out of breath (not just muscular failure but exhaustion and heartbeat through the roof as if you've just sprinted) then you have other issues to address
>>76756029Same. I just replaced them on my heavy days with chest supported row machine. May go back to them next block but was not a huge fan (was doing Yates rows proper).
how do you even do them correctlythis is deadlifting is killing mei can't do them right
>muh fatigueok retard just electrocute your muscles then and stay out of the gym
>>76756029Don’t listen to these mean fellas you can do whatever row you want
they're garbage, just do any other row
>>76756029Cable and chest supported machines are the best, simply nothing else beats them. For free weights my favorite variations are pendlays horizontal from the floor, and kroc db rows off the back of an inclined bench.
>>76756164Deadlift the bar until it's at your knees, keep legs slightly bent, spine curved slightly, lock yourself in that position, and pull the bar to waist and drop down to knees
>>76756029did them 3 times and got a sore back last time. never again.
I started doing these again recently. Felt off at first, realized I wasn't hinging properly, then it felt fine. Oddly enough, I find it's easier on the lower back the more bent over you are, maybe the load is more in the hamstrings in that position.
>>76756029Gayest list of all time. Just do tbar rows or use machine
>>76756029switched from weighted pullups to pendlay rows. pendlay rows actually giving me gains while pull ups didnt really give me much
>>76756029Once I started hitting 3x10reps of 225 on the barbell rows my back exploded in size. I generally avoided this exercise in favor of the cable row variations but one day I showed up to the gym later than usual and it was fucking packed with zoomers on every piece of equipment. The barbells were open so I loaded up 135 and knocked out some barbell rows. I decided to up it to 225 and damn it felt really nice. Now I add them in whenever I can because it just feels good. I see striations in my back muscles when doing this exercise which is insane positive reinforcement.
>>76756029You just have a weak back.
>>76756029Yeah i can't stand rows either. bent over and chest supported dumbbell rows are dogshit. My gym doesn't have a tbar setup, but it the cable or row machine isn't available then i'm skipping it entirely
do pendlay rows
>>76756029Stop doing this shit and take the DUMBBELL PILL.Do DB rows.>>76756246dumbbell rows
>>76756338Isn't that what you want? Its a back exercise
>>76756070Yep tbar mogs all. But it needs to be done on proper equipment. Doing it on some makeshift bullshit setup doesn't work.
>>76756029The reason professional bodybuilders in 70s did these is because 99% of them came from an athlete background.When you're raised with an athletic upbringing it really makes sure you have no shit fucked up at all. Compare that to the average 30yo at the gym with 5-10 different hidden issues, starts doing bent-over rows and it can really fuck your shit up. Arnold did these at a 90 degree angle, all his peers did as well. Heavy ass weights, too. 200+ lbs. Did they ever complain about lower back pain? No. Probably the roids also aided in making sure the lower back was at peak functionality.
>>76756029Yeah, ditch this shit, I blew a disc or two by going heavy on them. I recommend kroc rows, I could go heavy with nearly no back discomfort.
DUMBBELL ROWS or die faggot
>>76756497No, sore lower back.
>>76756029do a chest supported back rowtheyre the best
>>76757392Fake and unnatural, you can't support the chest when you are rowing something in real life.
>>76756079I'm a fatigue faggot. Consider this.I do sports and other hobbies. I can only cram one to two gymceling sessions in a week.This means I'm best off with a full-body program. With a template of squat variation, hinge variation, horizontal and vertical push and pull variations, and isolations for shoulders and biceps I have eight lifts to do a session. Most of them are compound lifts. I have to increase stabilization of some lifts to make sure I have juice in the nervous system to make I don't end up spinning my wheels after the third lift.
fuck them
>>76756746>proper equipmentI tbar at home with the end of a barbell shoved in an old shoe butted against a corner of the wall. Originally was using a homemade T that I slapped together out of scrap wood just to try it, then spent $30 on Amazon for a proper handle.
>>76756060>picks an exercise meant to target a part of the body>said exercise overloads completely different part of the body>targeted part of the body never gets properly workedThese are just objectively bad once you pass lmao1pl8 on them. I'll diddly for lower back and tbar for big rows.
