Do multivitamins and supplements actually do anything, or are they a scam? Will they actually improve your health if you have deficiencies or an unoptimal diet? If so, what do you recommend?
this question is way too broad to answer. theres also endless discussion about specific forms of vitamins, synergies, absorbtion related factors and so on. anyone who says "supplement x is god given" or "no lol theyre all a meme" is a brainlet who thinks they've figured it all out. if you have a specific problem, read on what people have used for it, dont just order random shit. as far as my own experience goes, l-theanine gave good focus but i didnt need it, ashwagandha improved physique but made me a zombie, and vitamin b5 megadosing cured a lifelong acne and has been the best investment in my life
I only take magnesium and caffeine pills as supplements. Caffeine as pre-workout, magnesium after the workout with some real food.I never get diarrhea after taking magnesium, so I know that I'm not taking too much.
taking anything that you can't overdose on is nothing more than a scam to piss your money away
I genuinely believe supplements are more than likely to fuck up your vitamin/nutrient balance than they're to help uSo basically they have either 0 effect, or a negative effectI am starting to see damaging information on even basic supplements most people take like vitamin C and vitamin D, that they may be doing more harm to you than goodI use to think Vitamin D was a "super hack" to get vitamin D without having to expose my skin to radiation from the sun, but turns out the Vitamin D you get naturally does many more things than the man-made vitamin D provides, and you're not actually getting the benefits from taking a supplement, other than causing weird micro-nutrient/vitamin imbalances
>>76758247You can overdose on water.
>>76758248sun vitamin d is a meme, and so is the artificial/natural distinction. vitamin d(3) is like one of the few things actually worth supplementing, the real bs is all of the random indian plant extracts like tongkat ali
>>76758252If sun vitamin d is a meme explain why white people are so good at producing it compared to "equator" people. Must have been some sort of evolutionary advantage there
>>76758258melanin inhibits it
>>76758258dark skin is more about protection than white skin is about vitamin d, hence why arctic peoples have darker skin because they have high vitamin d diets.but yes enhanced vitamin d production from sun WAS an evolutionary advantage, since diets didnt always provide enough, that doesnt mean that this is how it has to be today, just like nature optimized for back hair and catabolism but not to preserve head hair and grow big ass lats fuarkkk
>>76758248Good thing reality doesn't operate on what you believe.
>>76758215All supplements are barely bioavailable and heavily processed, you can get most of what you want by not eating like a complete moronThey're all sugary placebo pills
>>76758316Your scientific studies on supplements (sponsored by Dr Vitaminstein isn't reality either, dumb goyim
>>76758334Thanks for just further proving my point that your train of logic is rooted in absolute nonsense and tribalism and nobody should listen to you.
>>76758339Not him, but if you look at ingredients of most supplements, you will find that they're using low quality slop.E.g. magnesium supplement, look inside>magnesium oxideit's a laxative, not ATP transport enhancer, in a way, he's right, because diarrhea will make you lose micronutrients, and you would be better off not taking such supplement at allMost people don't know the difference.
>>76758348People not looking at labels doesn't mean supplements are ineffective. That's like saying that food is unhealthy because you chose to buy fruity pebbles instead of chicken breast.
I haven't looked into the science, but all I can say is I feel better when I take them. I usually feel less tired and irritable. What I take is a generic multivitamin, vitamin D3, zinc, and magnesium. I take them every other day but it's not a big deal if I don't take them. I would just try taking them every other day for a few weeks and see if you feel a difference or not.
>>76758353>food analogyNo you retard, it's like buying chicken breast but getting bull foreskins instead.
the only ones actually worth using:>D3 + K2>zinc>boron>magnesium glycinate>creatine
>>76758215yes they doyesmagnesium, vitamin d3, zinc and copper
>>76758215What's funny about supplements is that they want you to rely on supplements for part of your diet so you have to make more supplements to fill the holes created by not eating real foodIf you eat a varied diet of meat, dairy, whole grains and vegetables, you DO NOT need multivitamins If you eat no meat, mainline protein powder all day and eat garbage like donuts and whatever else, yes supps could help but it would be better to just do better with your dietSupplements that actually help:CreatineCaffeine Panax ginseng/rhodiolaZinc(only helps some people)Chromium (do not take if you struggle to gain weight)Beyond those, just get your 0.8g of protein for every pound of lean mass you have from meat and dairy, eat whole grain breads and get plenty of veggies and you'll have plenty of all the nutrients the suppjew is trying to sell you
>>76758426Yeah, it's nothing like that, so
>>76758258this isnt reddit or tiktok bro you can say niggers
>>76758841this nigga looks like a reverse triangle
>>76758461who copper
>>76759041I meant to say "why" now I am embarrassed and ashamed
>>76758247multivitamins are $10 for 200 tablets. if you get even just a slight benefit from taking it daily, are you so poor that you can't afford 5¢ per day ?
>>76758215Idiots will never know the importance of anything unless you go to the far extremes. Meaning some people will only know the true value of vitamins unless they are actually deficient in it and face serious health consequences from it. When things are going right, people tend to think nothing is happening at all and not needed.
>>76758215scamif you need vitamin supplementation you are either ill or you need to change your dietthe idea of buying a remedy instead of fixing the source of the problem is utterly deranged and idiotic not only that, but you will suffer dysbiosis if you just eat processed food100% scam
>>76758439>>76758532all supplements are scams
>>76758348magnesium oxide is literally the ONLY commonly used bs ingredient. this is a valid point but literally all else common supplements dont have this problem.
>>76759400I hope you're paid to cope this hard.
>>76759400Thiamine hydrochloride would like a word with you.
>>76759447No idea what thiamine is for but>waterweight diluting a raw powderthere's nothing more despicable than that
>>76758215I started taking multivitimins earlier this year and my mood immediately perked up, so I'm pretty sure I was deficient in something.
>>76758841>lesbian nose ring
>>76759486Glad you're feeling better anon. What multi do you take?
I just eat this shit and don't think about it too much.
>>76759423okay, name the other things for which this is a problem. >>76759447i dont know what youre refering to, thiamine has a low bioavailability but thats whether you get it from food or supplements
>>76761095>i dont know what youre refering to>magnesium oxide is literally the ONLY commonly used bs ingredient>literally the ONLY
>>76758215Normies be like...>*buys shittiest normie vitamin supplement*>*goes from eating barely enough to more than enough*>*notices zero effects*>"SUPPLEMENTS R SCAM!"If you have diet skill issues, you probably also have supplement skill issues. The best supplements are entirely unnecessary and non-essential, but they extensively modify your body's protein expression.
>>76761119This was already covered. Read the thread before posting
>>76761099in the case of low thiamine thats just a problem between your gut and the vitamin itself, it has nothing to do with supplement. magnesium oxide is retarded because it doesnt occur in living beings and cant be absorbed well. in the case of thiamine its the same damn molecule as in "real food" and its bioavailability is the same as in "real food". low bioavailability itself isnt even a bad thing, as long as you get enough
>>76761501I didn't read past your first sentence because it's just objectively false. There are more absorbable forms of thiamine, hydrochloride being the least absorbable, And the most common, as a standalone and as an ingredient in multivitamins. That's what the discussion is about. Low quality, low bioavailable forms of vitamins being included in supplements.
>>76761501>thiamine hydrochloride occurs in nature
