You need to stop.
Tried it once went dizzy heart raced threw up and shit all over the place at the same time was not good
>>76761284Nicotine has such little benefit and is so addictive you'd have to be an idiot to start.
Tried it once went uoh heart went dokidoki and bakana all over the place at the same time was sugoi desu ne
Heartlets ITT
What does it actually do to your body? What does it taste like? How do you consume it? Do you eat it, chew it, chew then spit..?
>>76761540If you havent started on nicotine, dont start. You dont want this shit addiction.>>76761284Snus got me unhooked from tobacco on the first use and it didnt make me want to kill myself like vaping. Im working on quitting nicotine for good.>inb4 just quitKys
>>76761608Im just curious about what it even is? I dont even chew gum.
>>76761284Bought a 5 pack for $12 at Sheetz. Lasts more than a week. So it's very affordable
>>76761616It's plant matter in a pouch with nicotine. You put it between your upper lip and gum and you get a good nicotine buzz with a slight flavor. It's nice for people with don't want to smoke but like the energy boost from nicotine during work
>>76761540>whatdepends on your tolerance, but practically nothing once you're used to it. Upset stomach and persistent hiccups if you're new and taking a high dose>tasteeach color is a different flavor, most are fruity or minty. Cinnamon and coffee exist too.>howno chewing, just hold it in your mouth. Most people put it outside their teeth against their gum and hold it there. top or bottom lip is personal preference>this doesnt sound bad, I will try itdon't
>>76762066>this doesnt sound bad, I will try itI never said that. You anti nicotine people are fucking weird. Since youre trying to put words in my mouth I am gonna start using Zyns.
>>76761608stop perpetuating the myth of addiction. it's literally just you having a preference for it. that's it.
>>76761284What is the last one, shill flavour?
>>76761284This shit gave me chest pain and heart palpitations after a two or three weeks, easiest thing I ever quit.
>>76762715Does this happen if you drink coffee or take preworkout?
>>76761284>never notice withdrawal symptoms from heavy caffeine or nicotine use when i pause for weeks or even monthsAddiction with these substances is a meme perpetuated by weak faggots.
>>76761284I've been using zyn for a couple of months after going through vapes like crazy. It is less nicotine than vapes but it works.
>>76761299Ha this literally happened to me yesterday, coworker gave me a 6mg after lunch, immediately got crazy heavy hiccups and lightheaded after just a few minutes, was able to fight off vomiting though but I’m not sure if i want to try again or go down to a 2mg dose
>destroys your gums>yellows your teeth>constant low grade chemical burns throughout your esophagus and stomachnothin personnel kiddo
>>76762163Nigger, shove that book as deep as you can into your rectum
>>76761299I almost threw up but didn't in the end, it felt good for the first 5 minutes, but literally coulnd tdo shit, just sit like a retard lol, then you just feel sick and fucked up
All the people saying to quit nicotine are jews. Nicotine is the white mans energy booster. They want you losing focus and falling behind in work and fitness while they continue to subvert right under your nose. First you quit nicotine pouches next think you know youll be more (((tolerant))) and even handing over your daughter to a pack of niggers to get raped.
This shit kills your dick.
>>76761284Nah I like using it at work. I don't touch it outside of the jobsite
>>76761284what's a good flavor that's not mint?
Nicotine is hella addictive. I've done methI've done cocaineI've done amphetaminesI've done nicotineGuess which was the hardest to quit? The nicotine of course. It's because you might only binge on cocaine once a week or whatever if you party but nicotine is all day everyday. When I quit nicotine I wanna punch stuff, I wanna cry, I feel annoyed and agitated. because of this I shut myself away when I quit for a couple weeks before the brain chemistry readjusts. I think this is why its so hard to quit, you have to admit defeat and go hide for 2 weeks like a bear retreating to its cave for the winter. That meanst ime off work, telling your loved ones youre going to hide for 2 weeks so you dont snap at them. For most people this is sad and not practical so they cant quit. They try to quit but then realise they get clammy and anxious at work on day 3 so they go back to the nicotine so they dont bitch out in front of peopleThen you have months of phantom reaching for the vape thats no longer there, you crave it, you feel more bored than normal at all times. Social situations feel worse when youre not chain vaping. It feels like a part of you slightly died and theres no going back unless you go back to the addiction. So thats what many people doIm like 2month off it again (relapsed) and yeah I still think about vaping quite a lot. Gets WAY easier after 2 weeks thoyugh. All you gotta do is lock yourself away for 2 weeks. Book the time of fwork. Dont be a pussy it cant kill you, just stop. Youre scared of leaving it behind because you cant imagine life without it. Its fine, just slightly annoying. Like having a bad back
>>76762163This book is literally designed for people with personality disorders like narcissism. Since they cant admit they have anything wrong with them or admit weakness they have to believe this garbageAddiction is real and when you quit a strong addiction you will never be the same again and its a real battle to stay clean for the rest of youre life and thats reality
>>76762163Extreme money addiction works the same way, you just need more and more and it alters your thinking such that you can only see and think more money.
>>76765408>>76765362>>76764412addiction never existed in the past. it's a pseudo-religious money-making scheme. and you guys are delusional.
>>76765447Gambling, alcohol, and opium proves you wrong historically
>>76765447It never existed because you tell me what’s addictiveCocaineHeroinAlcoholSugarNicotineAll of it was impossible to refine until 10.000 years ago. Our brains have been developing over millions of years. It’s the refined nature of substances that make our brains shoot out too many chemicals and then makes our neurons die and struggle to adapt Open a book and study addiction it’s not some random thing that was made up, it’s the strength of the chemicals and methods of use If you see something seriously wrong environmentally it usually means something has corrupted the person. Abuse isolation and refined substances we didn’t evolve to consume
>>76765453those people had a preference for those activities and could have stopped whenever they wanted. statistically, the majority of people in the USA who fall under the category of 'alcoholic' (e.g. college kids, and other people who go through their own contingent drinking episodes), come out of their so-called 'alcoholism' without any help whatsoever and without any life-long persistent identity of someone who is 'in recovery'. I'm just trying to help out man. but I'm not going to sugar coat it. maybe try being open-minded?>>76765460you say this as if chemicals dictate our actions, which isn't the case. YOU do. you like the substance, and either consciously or subconsciously, you use the addict identity to justify continuing use. it's literally vicious and backwards. people were only started being taught this after WWII, strengthened via pop-culture depictions. something being chemically strong or strong in terms of how potent the intoxicative effects are doesn't have an effect on whether that substance will be abused. anyone who's tried both nicotine and psilocybin can attest to nicotine being more habitual than psilocybin, despite the latter's utterly crazy effects upon your psychological state.
>>76765553I don't think any of them would have opted with a clear mind to live in an opium den or sell off their wives and daughters to pay gambling debts brother. That's just retarded to believe
>>76765356Caffeine is way harder. Nicotine is nothing. You are a nigger.
>x addiction is worse than x
>>76761284Smoke tobacco leaf just as the lord intended
>>76765712Tobacco is poop
>>76765937poop is poop, tobacco is tobacco. If I had to guess, I'd guess you are also poop.
>>76765553Your comment annoys me because you're either an idiot or grossly misinformed and pushing your own personal agenda. One example of your ridiculousness is calling addiction a post-WW2 invention. Well bud, if you did even 10 minutes of thinking you'd realise that mental health was not mapped out at all back then. They gave literal methamphetamine to citizens with no idea of the repercussions it would have. Japanese citizens were munching away on meth to work harder and such and it took years before the govenrment realised there's deranged weirdos everywhere and they banned it. YEARS. it took that long for them to realise meth fucked them up. Another parallel is 'Shellshock'. What is now recognised as severe PTSD was seen as cowardice back then. But if my profile of you is correct you'd call them cowards and not understand PTSD.I think your whole idea of 'addiction being a choice' is because you have a personality disorder and you cant admit youre what society deems a 'bad person' who has done bad things. For you to admit you were an addict is to accept you were abused, you have trauma, you ran away from the trauma by abusing drugs, you then did bad things, and youre a loser. The thing is though you have to admit you cant stop, you did bad things, you are shameful and full of regret to make change and stop running away from your problemsmeanwhile you repress it all down and say "lol I just stopped" while you are probably monkey branching to new addictions and being a shitty person stillReal men humble themselves and address their mental baggage that drove them to addiction. You keep running
>>76765553>statistically, the majority of people in the USA who fall under the category of 'alcoholic' (e.g. college kids, and other people who go through their own contingent drinking episodes), come out of their so-called 'alcoholism' without any help whatsoever and without any life-long persistent identity of someone who is 'in recovery'Youre so close to understanding but because you cant understand empathy or life through other peoples experience that isnt your own you're not getting it. Its because you need an engine to pwoer addiction.Things are addictive but if your life is fine you can stop. But if theres a driver like mental trauma you cant stop abusing drugs to escape. And thats when you realise that if you go to AA 99% of people there had horrible upbringings with unresolved traumaAddictive stuff can be thwarted if you are mentally whole. If not yourie fucked
>>76765998Don't forget that something like half of all addicts have a dopamine deficiency problem that they're usually born with that makes them seek out dopamine to cancel out the deficit. This manifests with abusing dopaminergic drugs like alcohol and cocaine.If someone has something like this and they party in college they will 100% have to go to rehab to quit because their brain wont let it go
>>76765561some people are just inherently evil. 'addiction' there is just incidental.>>76765990you sound hysterical, but only because your dogmatic beliefs are being challenged, and therefore there is no use reasoning with someone like you. you can't think in other, less orthodox ways. it's just 'I've been taught this, so this is how it must be forever and for everyone!' with you. do yourself a favour and realise how much of a limiting mentality that is. don't know how old you are but it's always good to question things.>>76765998>Things are addictive but if your life is fine you can stop.this is a dogmatic assertion. there is nothing about having a good or bad life this will supernaturally coerce you into doing things. you may have more or less of an incentive to do the thing that will help you 'achieve happiness' sooner, but YOU are the one doing it.
You need to start.
>>76766271>this is a dogmatic assertion. there is nothing about having a good or bad life this will supernaturally coerce you into doing thingsThis is so wrong its hilarious. You are clearly a moron that has no idea what hes talking about. You seem really close to understanding that addictive things hook people who are suffering but you cant quite grasp it. Do you know what addiction even means? it means you cant stop even though its ruining your life. Do you think people just keep taking it for the laugh? Even when its completely destroying their livesWhy do you think people who need a liver transplant keep drinking and die despite being told if they keep drinking they wont get a transplant and theyll die. Its because they cant stop drinking. Its an impossible task for them. Caused by the trauma they have. Theyre too depressed to keep going and need to escape their environment
>>76766271This is so funny because the m ost famous drug addiction study on rats called Rat Park is a direct refutation of what youre saying. You have done zero research what so ever Alexander’s experiments, in the 1970s, have come to be called the “Rat Park.1 Researchers had already proved that when rats were placed in a cage, all alone, with no other community of rats, and offered two water bottles-one filled with water and the other with heroin or cocaine-the rats would repetitively drink from the drug-laced bottles until they all overdosed and died. Like pigeons pressing a pleasure lever, they were relentless, until their bodies and brains were overcome, and they died.But Alexander wondered: is this about the drug or might it be related to the setting they were in? To test his hypothesis, he put rats in “rat parks,” where they were among others and free to roam and play, to socialize and to have sex. And they were given the same access to the same two types of drug laced bottles. When inhabiting a “rat park,” they remarkably preferred the plain water. Even when they did imbibe from the drug-filled bottle, they did so intermittently, not obsessively, and never overdosed. A social community beat the power of drugs.
>>76766271>Having a shit life has no correlation to drug abuseLMFAO!!!!!
>>76766315>Why do you think people who need a liver transplant keep drinking and die despite being told if they keep drinking they wont get a transplant and theyll die. Its because they cant stop drinking. Its an impossible task for them. Caused by the trauma they have. Theyre too depressed to keep going and need to escape their environmentyes, I agree with this. look at it this way: in such a circumstance, that man didn't care enough, seeing greater happiness coming from drinking than from not drinking. you know things can have a pro and a contra? people are drawn towards the contra due to their belief that it brings (just for that moment!) greater happiness. you add that to the (false and damaging) idea of 'being an addict' (therefore what's the point?) and you've engineered the man that you described. that man REALLY enjoys alcohol. all he needs to do is make certain realisations.(this man was me to some measure once.)>>76766325yes, I know about that study. you know what refutes your argument? we aren't rats.>>76766337not what I said. LMAO
>>76766350In a societal sense we are quite a bit like rats desu senpai.
>>76766350Have you ever seriously been addicted to something? As in you cant for the life of you stop even though its killing you? Im starting to think you havent since you cant relate to the desperation, hopelessness and associated trauma and lack of agency to change when experiencing the addiction.Also you made a weird statement about psilocybin being less addictive than dopaminergic drugs which is obvious
>>76763501Nerve gas. >unironically
>day 1 after quitting nic pouchesI want one so bad holy shit this is worse than quitting smoking. Never start lads.
>>76768123it peaks around day 2-4. hang in their soldier. Take time off work if you have to. Even if you go into work and feel so jittery and shit literally say family emergency and leave
>>76763487>Nicotine is really addictive and you will have trouble qutting so be really scared- People who sell nicotine products.Yeah, I'm thinking it's not addictive.
>>76765356I didn’t do any of that after smoking a pack a day for 10+ years. I tapered down over a couple months with patches and felt good the entire time.
>>76761284>3
>>76766397yes. and what I did was read that book about four times. I may not be able to communicate its ideas totally coherently, but at least I tried. (every answer I got was a direct misinterpretation of what I wrote; mostly for mistakes in communication on my part. I'm just too used to thinking this way now, so even things which are intuitive to me now I'm finding trouble communicating.) either way I potentially showed other anons who are open-minded and just observed that there exists another way. and I hope it works for them.at this point, that other anon, the utterly histrionic one, whose idea of a response amounts to nothing more sophisticated or demanding than sledgehammer emotions, to me seems like a lost cause. there exists a caste system. you can guess where he must be placed.
Had been on 3mg, relapsed on the vape today, feel like shit
