DO NOT be deceived by demonic Vegans on this board. I see they grow in numbers here. They want to keep you weak, small, obedient, afraid, deficient, like cattle. Humans are top apex predators on this planet, we didn't get here by eating plants and being weak. We got here by slaughtering Megafauna and eating their corpses. If we were like vegans, we would go extinct, eaten without any mercy by predators of that time. Don't be an idiot. Eat animal products. There is a reason we digest vitamins and minerals from meat in much bigger quantity than from plants.
>>76761891top should include chicken. chicken consumption exploded in the 70s and 80s when the anti animal fat propaganda really went into full swing
If you look at ancient recipes in near/middle east early civilizations and the greeks/romans down to the 20th century all of them ate omnivorous diets which includes vegetables and bread and similar ingredients that make paleoschizos maldBut somehow we have to eat like eskimos or some spear chucker tribe in namibia who average 5'4 and die at 30
>>76761905Vegetables that humans used back then weren't laced with preservatives and chemicals like the ones we have today.
>>76761891Don't forget your ivermectin! Don't want to be a onions modern person who is vaccin->Poster died of measles
>>76761891Jesus everyone is truly stuck being 9 forever. All guys are stuck throwing a tantrum for refusing to eat their vegetables and all girls are tattletales that will tell mom you said a bad word. No you are not a cool nordic warrior for only eating chicken tenders and supermarket steak. Grow up.
>>76761915How many booster shots?
>>76761911Implying every single corner of earth isnt poisoned with heavy metals, BPA, pesticides and other kinds of venom. Most store or butcher bought animals and animal products have been tampered with in some way you're barely limiting the side effects so might as well eat however you want then shoot yourself at 50. Yeah you're not catching wild animals you mong every day are you
>>76761891Real ancient diets from civilized peoples were MORE reliant on grains and vegetables than the modern diet.Carbs are good for you.
>>76761933no they're not. Ancient Egyptians had a grain based diet and horrible health
>>76761891weird how bottom doesnt include grains despite making up 90% of those peoples dietits almost as if this picture was made by a schizo chud
>>76761964Grains only got massively popular in Europe during medieval times. Guess what happend as well. People got shorter, weaker and had horrible teeth.
>>76761974But it's the master race.
>>76761891What am I supposed to bulk on? I eat eggs, turkey, cheese and steak/salmon/chicken pretty much every day and hit protein goals easily in like 1500cals. I need 4000 and usually will do Ezekiel bread with peanut butter and like 4 power bars and trail mix.
>>76761999>2025>bulkingUnless you're on roids, you will just get fat.
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>>76761891it's just a diet bro lmao it's not that deep go outside play football touch grass talk to a girl
>>76762007>It's just fuel that your body needs don't worry about it bro hahaRetard imbecile. Tell that to your car next time it runs out of fuel. Just drive bro haha
>>76762011literally bro it's not that deep go outside have fun lmao
>>76761905>ancient recipes>paleoschizosYou're a retard you know that? You don't even know the context of paleo. It's based on pre-agriculture diets. Paleo is based on the diets of humans before writing was even invented you colossal fucking dipshit. On top of that, you're thinking keto. Veggies are still allowed on paleo. Paleo is basically just no processed shit & no grains. If you could have hunted or foraged for it, it's still good for paleo, and that's basically everything, in the right proportions.
ancestral diet for thousands of years was nothing but bread/gruel
>>76761999Bulking/cutting is a meme you fucking retard.
>>76762003>>76762027so what's the alternative?
>>76762016no it wasn't. You'd be dead from malnutrition. Animal products are necessary in the human diet in the absence of modern supplements
>>76762028If you want to gain weight to have to eat more food.
>>76762015So you're telling me paleoschizos are full of absolute shit because they worship spear chuckers who got conquered by grain eaters ?
>>76762031why do you think that the average height was like 5'6" until industrialization?
>>76762036no. both ate as many animal products as they could as humans have always done
>>76762016>believing thisOur ancestors literally hunted hundreds of species to fucking extinction. The abject poor subsisted on bread/gruel, anyone who could hunt, did so as much as possible. This idea that ancient humans diet was more carbs than anything is absolutely fucking retarded.
>>76762028Staying slim forever.
>>76762041They died because of the ice age.We ate a bunch of fish, fowl, and starchy stuff in the ground and berries.
>>76762052>starchy stuff in the groundmisconception. Wild tubers are generally poor in starch. Mostly fiber
>>76761891Where's the bread/rice?You cannot have a civilation without carbs
This diet shit is just a severe case of autism and nerd dogma translated into fitness, mentally ill people often cannot comprehend nuances and pick teams that are usually extremes on said topicEat whatever you want as long as it feels good for your gut and isnt processed past cooking on low heat or something like brining/drying/fermenting
>>76762058Potatoes have fiber Anon.
>>76762064relatively speaking. Wild tubers have much more fiber and less starch
>>76762070Ok ty for the none point.
>>76762075non-point*
>>76762075your welcome sir
>>76762075the point is cultivated potatoes are mostly starch. Wild tubers are mostly fiber. Nowhere did I say potatoes don't have fiber
>>76761926One for every time I illegally voted (it's the only explanation for how trump could lose, other than all those other things)
>>76762084>Autism noises.>>76762090Yeah but who cares?Just because people did something back then doesn't mean it's optimal.They were also less muscular.
>>76762052You really have no grasp on the timeline of this fucking planet..seriously you're all over the place.
>>76762115Where am I wrong specifically?
>>76761911No matter the time period, location, or general health of the population, all animals have to filter out poisons from food. That's why they have livers, kidneys and circulatory organisms that cleanse their bloodstream. You could not go back in time and receive some ideal piece of food that is %100 usable in it's entirety. All food always had bacteria, metals like quartz, copper, and zinc which is in topsoil, and they were salted to shit as well.
>>76762122Discounting all of the animals that post ice-age man hunted to extinction. As if the ice age just accounts for all of it.>stellar sea cows>aurochs>elephant birds>dodo>great auk>reunion ibis>Caribbean monk seal>wrangel island mammoth>bali tigerAnd lots more. Those are all animals that we're hunted to extinction post ice age & pre- industrial revolution.
>>76762161So according to you fish isn't meat?>>76762052>fishMy original post mentions fish.You could make an argument against the fowl claim for larger mammals.But extinctions does not equal causation to being hunted to death unless you have a source that says explicitly for the entire array of mammels listed.>And no just mentioning mammoths being hunted to death doesn't support the others in the group.And even then these anthropological studies use Bayesian data to update the development of flora and fauna during the Pleistocene Epoch. Which means the understanding is contingent on new findings. Which could/could not say anything about a "Paleo" diet. Which is more of a marketing term in modernity.You also neglected to dispute the ingestion of berries, seeds, honey, and wild grasses.So if anything evidence supports an omnivorous diet.
>>76761900Chicken and eggs are bottom though.
>>76762207I'm saying you're greatly understating how much all meat, not just fish, was a priority.
>>76762218It's a moot point anyway because if you just think about it from an anthropological view you hunt/gather what is most energy effective.Which can be determined by seasons (yes even in ice ages), geography, natural resources, migrating patterns of game, etc.It's not a bunch of cavemen in loinclothes eating mutton 24/7 and flexing in a mirror.It's more like a group of humans on the verge of starvation and trying to eat without expending too much energy. Because agriculture wasn't invented yet.If anything they probably died younger.
>>76762294This thread has nothing to do with Keto and sage doesn't work anymore, pajeet newfag.
>>76762016>ancestral diet for thousands of years was nothing but bread/gruelNo it wasn't retard. It was bread/gruel AND foraged vegetables/fruits AND meat/fish, typically the meat was organs as it was the cheapest.
>>76762296>sage doesn't work anymoreKys ketoschizo
>>76762316You're schizophrenic. This is the last time I respond to you. I won't give you any attention, you stupid mentally ill harlot.
>>76762326Enjoy your larp diet, ketoschizo. If your meme diet works so well then post body.
>>76762353This.
>>76762003>>76762027Ok well if you don’t eat enough calories you will lose body mass, I at least need to hit maintenance so why don’t you answer the question you ducking retards
>>76762353>>76762316>>76762294there are clearly fruits and carbs in OP's picture. you are seriously retarded.
>>76761891>ancestral diet>eating anything else than beans and oats for most of the year, with meat reserved for church holidaysyou fuckers are delusional to the extreme, holy shit
>>76762443Berries aren't fruits you literal retard
>>76762474>Berries aren't fruitsso what are they then?
>>76761891NonononoYour mostly right (((HOWEVER)))That’s the winter diet. During the summer spring and fall they ate tons of fresh produce fruits etc. On a yearly basis probably more vegetables than modern health nuts. The human body is not a dainty thing, it’s extremely hardy and it can store the vital nutrients from vegetables and fruits over the winter months.So what about places like Scandinavia or New England where winter lasts 9 months. Well there is plenty of ice and you can legit freeze vegetables etc in cellars with enough ice.Also, health nuts love to talk a big game but if they aren’t anorexic skinny it probably means they are eating entire cheesecakes in between their kale meals and not telling anyone.
>>76761905The only people against vegetables are obese mentally ills that are carrying some complex from when their mom told them to eat their peas once. Like those fat women you hear about that literally only eat macaroni and cheese.
>>76762687Not everyone in the world is american.
>>76761891>We got here by slaughtering Megafauna and eating their corpses.hell yeah brother*orders McDonalds via Ubereats*we've reached the point where even driving to McDonalds while not getting out of the car is too much effort.Also the average middle-ages man was not eating a leg of lamd and 4 roasted ducks and 5 chickens and 7 steaks and 8 salmon with fresh milk and 5 different kinds of cheese with fresh berries everyday.>>76761974>>76762015>>76762016>>76762060exactly
>>76762161>implying modern man even ate a fraction of themat that point man was just hunting for sport.
>>76762506>they ate tons of fresh produce fruitsNo, they didn't, and you clearly have no fucking idea what you're talking about.The great majority of fruits that are available to us today in stores simply don't exist in nature and are a product of centuries of agriculture.The natural versions of these fruits and vegetables are either completely inedible, straight up toxic, or doesn't even have 1/5th of the flesh and sugar as the artificial versions we eat today.The best example of this are wild strawberries. They are never bigger than a fingernail, and rare to find. They only exist for a few weeks in spring, and the great majority of them will be eaten by squirrels, birds and insects before you get to them.In nature, all humans will go for 10-11 months of the year without any natural source of sugars or carbohydrates, except for the glycogen in freshly killed raw meat or super rare honey.All the fruit you find at the store that you consider natural is 5x bigger minimum and has more sugar than anything you could ever find in a forest.If you eat like 2-3 bananas in a day, that's more sugar than whatever the primal human might have eaten IN A YEAR.
>>76762731You know what's super weird, how your post goes on this huge rant about how produce today is not like it used to be, and in fact that's totally irrelevant. We have fossilized feces from people in that time period, and they ate over 100 grams of fiber a day. Literally nothing you just said is relevant to any part of the conversation.
>>76762731Ahahaaaaa
>>76762740What time period? Please provide me with a source. Nta btw
>>76762740>>76762840Lloyd's bank coprolite>The coprolite was found in 1972 beneath the site of what was to become the branch of Lloyds Bank on Pavement in York, and may be the largest example of fossilised human faeces (palaeofaeces) ever found,[2] measuring 20 centimetres (8 in) long and 5 centimetres (2 in) wide. Analysis of the stool has indicated that its producer subsisted largely on meat and bread, despite evidence suggesting that other people at the same place and time had access to fruits, leeks, shellfish, and nuts.
>paleo man ate breadLOL don't tell the grifters.
>>76763002The sample is from the 9th century, over ten thousand years after the agricultural revolution. Just because they call it "paleofaeces" doesn't mean it is from pre-agricultural man
>>76761891Yeah I'm sure the bottom never ate soup or stews. Fucking retard.
>>76763044What is the basis of soup and stew you fucking retard?
>>76763028Yeah, I refer to Victorian era paintings as medieval era paintings just because too
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>>76763057Blame the (((scientists))) for using that word
>>76763070Yeah I'm sure its the scientists that are incorrect instead of some guy on an anime website being incorrect
Ancestral means different things for people with different ancestry. There wasn't one single type of human crawling the earth. You can determine this by the kinds of lifestyles possible for humans.>hunter gathererDepletes an area of resources and moves to the next. Territorial. Might have tamed wolves. >neolithic agrarian Stays in one spot to cultivate resources. Has very low ingroup preference because more hands = more things built. There is evidence they got along well with hunter gatherer tribes and assimilated a lot of them. Tamed all sorts of beasts of burden and lived alongside animals but probably didn't consume them much. >pastoralist nomadsDepletes an area of resources and moves to the next, while cultivating a mobile source of animals. Territorial. Group responsible for taming the horse, probably. That was eons ago, and the modern human is a result of intermixing between these groups, but the information is so old and lost that you can only guess based on geographical region. Gustatory preferences for grain vs. animal protein probably comes from this genetic history, but also is probably to blame for psychological phenomena.
>>76761891>our ancestors didn't eat anything other than meat and dairyyou are a retarded subhuman
>>76763230How does it feel to be fucking blind and stupid?
>>76763238No idea you tell me
People ate far less meat in the past. Their diet was mostly bread and gruel.
>>76763636they ate as much meat as they could
>>76761891Every male vegan I ever met irl was pear shaped and either skinny fat or just fatThat's everything I need to know about veganism
>>76761891So what’s the deal with cheese? Do I need to buy a specific variety for it to be “healthy”? I like hard cheeses but it always just feels like I’m cheating on my diet
>>76763073>quotes scientists>some retard doubts they used that wordYou are the idiot on the anime board who is incorrect. You are welcome, fucking dipshit
>>76763636Literally pre-bunked by hard science here. >>76762889Kindly remove yourself from the genepool
>>76763230>he hasn't seen the studies on stable isotopes pertaining to ancient human remainsLmfao. Congrats on being retarded
>>76764256>nonsensical icoheremt remarkOk
>>76764280Oh hey its the stable isotopes guy again good to see you
>>76761891Slaughtering is evil. You deserve to be slaughtered.>>76761974Teeth are bad from sugar, not from complex carbs.
>>76764802He's not referring to just rotting after growing in.Bones are mineralized protein and it's childhood malnourishment that causes underdevelopmemt of the jaw. If you had to get your wisdom teeth removed, then you were malnourished as a child.
>>76764880>If you had to get your wisdom teeth removed, then you were malnourished as a child.My faggot father tried to gaslight me with "must've been candy" shit, almost made me kill him.
>>76764802>Slaughtering is evilSays who?>evilMan made up concept. Animals don't give a shit. Go preach your morals to predators of Earth, see how that goes. You low T numale.
>>76762316What a retarded image. >inadequate growthAverage height, jaw size, and brain size have only shrunk since the domestication of grains. >dehydrationSugar is hydrophilic. Taking a huge dose of carbs dehydrates you. You can try that yourself and see. Also, animal fat (including your own body fat) has usable water in it. >comaLmao, what? You don't need carbs to keep yourself from going into a coma.>fracturesGrains don't give you any of the nutrition required for the creation of bone. Anyone that would even save this image is mentally stunted.
>>76761891Ancients ate a lot of bread. Not saying all bread, look at paleolithic early European farmers' poor excuse for a lower jaw bone though.
>>76764895I was raised on lots of TV dinners and pasta. I've given up on talking to my parents about diet.
>>7676189190% of the ancestral diet was bread
>NOOOOOO THEY ATE EXCLUSIVELY LE BREADINIO>NOOOOOO THEY ATE EXCLUSIVELY LE VEGITOS>NOOOOOO THEY ATE EXCLUSIVELY LE HEC*IN MEAT>NOOOOOO YOU HAVE TO AGREE WITH MY EXTREME POSITIONWhy are americans like that?Anyway, they ate what was locally available when they weren't eating what their own farms produced or what could the scavenge during other labors. At the end of the day everyone ate some amounts of carbs, vegetables, fruit, meats and fats - varied diets that shifted seasonally, but usually a mix of everything that was at hand and in most cases the only thing that changed was proportions of each type of food depending on availability and wealth. They also had their own equivalents of processed food and what's in pic at the bottom wasn't really eaten on their own or was the only thing that was eaten.
>>76765434Americans have cattle like mentality and they are cattle of the jews. Their favourite golems. You're either A or B. You have to chose. If you're not A then you're B. They are mentally retarded by default. Stupid fucking slaves. American mind can't comprehend any alternative or the fact that you don't care.
>>76765235Source:
>>76763690Cheese is tasty and not particularly unhealthy. It's high in fat, so a small amount of cheese is equal to a larger amount of other food caloriewise.
>>76765434>>76765462>why are americans>america america america
>>76765235Bread was a big part of it in many regions but it mostly depended on what was accessible and affordable and it just served as a vessel for toppings or other foods instead of a plate for example
>>76764563I am but one of many.
>>76761891just stop eating processed shit pomped up by zog laced with pesticides and other plastics and you're halfway there, you don't have to rely on le ancestorial diets (even doe your ancestors probably ate the equal amount of meat, grains and vegetables as they would be severely depleted of vitamins and all the other elements)>b-but muh carnivore diet!1!1!
>>76766079That's how average American looks like to the rest of the world. Just put cargo shorts, food stained shirt and some dumb cap and flipflops on him.
>>76766110Nah, your mannerisms are easily identifiable.
>>76766139You must be mentally ill. I literally heard of stable isotope studies from /fit/. I see other people post about them regularly. Good to see that all you can do is post schizo nonsense about all other posters except you being the same person and tilt and windmills because you are so utterly BTFO by the hard scientific truths presented and you have no argument. Keep seeing boogeyman wherever you go, retard-sama
>>76766127>That's how average American looks like to the rest of the world. Just put cargo shorts, food stained shirt and some dumb cap and flipflops on him.
>>76761930No. I shoot moose when it's moose hunting season and fill my freezers with moose meat, livers and hearts.
>>76766127The people who say shit like this are always mystery meat mutts.
>>76766234The irony of this post.
>>76764880>If you had to get your wisdom teeth removed, then you were malnourished as a child.I was malnourished as a child but didn't have to get wisdom teeth removed.>>76764898>Go preach your morals to predators of Earth, see how that goes.All predators should be killed, including animal ones.
>>76766798>I was malnourished as a childYeah I can tell. No wonder you're so fucking retarded.
>>76762016Yeah but only for poor, dysgenic people
>>76762316>thiamine deficiency >on KetoLiterally how? just eat a pork chop, dumbass
>>76761891Your brokie ancestors were eating gruel
>>76767947Yeah, so bread
>>76761891truuuuue
>>76762731I wouldn't call wild strawberries rare, they just have a narrow growing season so you're only likely to see them one month of the year.
>>76766127So why do you keep coming here illegally?
>>76761891The ancestral hunter gatherer diet still includes plants such as tubers, seeds, seaweed, wild grains, mushrooms, leaves and herbs, legumes, not just fruits.
>>76762731>>76762058>>76762015>>76761911Domesticted animals aren't the same as wild animals too in general we eat alot more than our ancesters also see>>76768066
>>76761905Trvke>>76761922>>76762687I still think force feeding kids foods they don't like or help them grow instead of high calorie nutritionally dense foods is stupid, kids have a high metabolism and no health issues mostly.
>>76766798Did you have enough space in your jaw to fit them?How tall are you?
>>76768402>Did you have enough space in your jaw to fit them?Yes.>How tall are you?About as much as father.
>>76761891>bread>vegetables>WaterYes because historically people didn't eat bread or drink water.
>>76767124unless you are living in a literal castle right now, 99.9% of your ancestors were peasants
