>>76765673
>do they kill your gains?
Not as such but they'll kill your appetite. You can still exercise on them and potentially do very well, but you have to be extremely careful to read your body and not overdo it; I woke up in a hospital once after collapsing from heat stroke jogging on Adderall, and I felt totally fine before it happened. That wasn't even a heavy workout; lifting I avoid entirely on Adderall days, and I'd recommend similar cautiousness at least starting off.

>>76765673
I lost a bunch of weight this summer while I was on ADHD meds because they absolutely killed my appetite. It's great if you're trying to cut, but even eating maintenance didn't happen because I just wasn't hungry and was focused on other things.

has anyone found a way to be productive with adhd without meds?

>tfw getting an official diagnosis costs thousands of dollars which I don't have
I feel like all the "ADHD lifehacks" are complete bullshit.
>dude, just wake up at 7am, exercise, take a cold shower, read 10 pages of a book, write a journal entry, eat a perfectly balanced meal and you'll finally be able to write that 1 paragraph email"

At this point, the only way I could see myself ever realistically being productive would be to hire a hitman who would assassinate me if I didn't get done what I need to do

>>76766003
>>dude, just wake up at 7am, exercise, take a cold shower, read 10 pages of a book, write a journal entry, eat a perfectly balanced meal and you'll finally be able to write that 1 paragraph email"
I do all of those former things and still can't handle the latter four days out of five.

>>76765673
>>76766003

You have to force yourself to not let your focus be scattered

A lot of that is mentally limiting your options of what you do
Delete all your time wasting apps
Set small goals in your hobbies, lifting and life and reach them. Then set more

>>76765960
just marry one of those domineering women who will obliterate your testicles if you don't stay on task

>>76765673
Why she pretending she got breasts?

>>76766003
>tfw getting an official diagnosis costs thousands of dollars
No way bro. Basic one cannot cost more than few hundred bucks.

Also ADHD is literal neurological disorder. Your brain is basically wired differently and you just cannot bruteforce it. Meds help and basically kill the noise and let you function like a normal person.

>>76766133
I fucking wish, dude