this is fit related because we don't need to take terrible drugs anymore. 2 weeks all our hair is back. we can finally admit that finasteride fucks up our sexuality and penis health and minoxidil accelerates face wrinkles and skin ageing.this is HUGE bros. post hairstyles that go with /fit/ physiques. we have to start preparing this shit will be out as research chems in a few weeks!!
>>76767914post the study and not some random fag on xitterwe'll wait
>>76767926sure! i am soo happy bros omgggggghttps://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1550413125003973
>>76767929Thanks OPWay to not disappoint
>>76767929Just wanted to let you know that this can basically be achieved via derma rolling and rubbing olive oil(80% MUFA) in your hair. This is basically what the article is saying. Apparently you don't even need to damage the tissue according to the article so just using olive oil alone on your scalp should stimulate the stem cells for hair growth. We'll see what happens though once they come out with more studies but there's literally no risk to rubbing some olive oil on your scalp and only benefit if it works
People who follow the Raw Primal diet have known this for years. But whenever we've told you, you faggots wouldn't listen.>natural fatty acidsAnother term for raw animal fat. Raw bone marrow is the absolute best for this, raw eggs work well too.It won't help much if you keep poisoning your scalp and killing your follicles with sham-poo and other toxic shit.Baldness is not natural nor genetic. It's always a symptom of disease. We're all meant to have a head full of hair until the day we die.We've been telling you baldfags for years but you'd rather put big pharma poison into your bodies that'll make you impotent and sterile.
>>76767914>the scientists say the serum is safe
>>76767951Raw bone marrow works ten times better.
I'll wait for the hair cafe video
>>76767962Post study then with your claim. Op posted study after making a claim. Can you?
>>76767951damn im gonna try this on just one of my temples which receded. if in 4 weeks its lower than the other side, we will know it works..
>>76767951does your hair feel disgusting after rubbing oil or are you supposed to wash it after? and how much are you supposed to rub it idk it just sounds weird to me
>>76767914Taiwan numba wun
>>76767956> Baldness is not natural nor genetic.Except it is entirely genetic. That's why I eat grains, onions, cook my food and wash my hair and I still have a full head of hair at 35.> Appeal to authorityThat's not an appeal to authority. You are using the fallacy incorrectly. It's only an appeal to authority if it's an opinion. It's not an opinion there's data to support it.You have zero data to support your claims. You are a retard that rubs raw eggs and bacon fat into your hair.
>>76768046wtf since when is "onions" changed to onions
>>76768048s o y
>>76767914>yet another useless fucking rodent study>an animal model that doesn't include androgenic alopecia>xitter influencer interpretationthe jews are right about the goyim, you deserve to be owned like cattle
>>76767951If olive oil could save your hair, Julius motherfucking Caesar wouldn't have been bald and incredibly insecure about it.
>>76768064t. didn't read the study
>>76767914Balding has been cured since the 90s my dude. Just take fin.
>>76767956They used olive oil.
>>76767951Also you have to avoid PUFA. The article said PUFA blocked the mechanism. So high MUFA and as close to zero PUFA as possible.
>>76768078Ctrl+F "androgen" 0 resultsThere is zero mention of anything even related to androgenic alopecia in the entire paper and even its citations, despite androgenic alopecia being the cause of baldness in humans and the actual intervention was exclusively done on mice, they didn't provide any evidence that the intervention can cure balding which is the original claim by the xitter subhuman in the OP and others like him.This literally only proves that some MUFA rich oil used topically might, possibly, maybe, grow your BODY hair which is not negatively impacted by androgenic alopecia... who the fuck cares?Like I said, another useless fucking rodent study extrapolated by retards missing the point of the study in question.Either take the fina or take the duta, anything else is stupid ass low IQ cope.
>>76768125are you stupid? this is a hair stimulant! even if hair keeps falling out because of your gay genes, you can just keep growing it back with this technique
>>76768125shit gene baldcel too retarded to use logic. it's so TIRESOME senpai
You retards got the DHT relationship all backwards. It isn't that DHT causes lack of bloodflow, but that lack of bloodflow causes DHT.Same shit happens in prostates of old men, or in frontal lobe when you don't go to sleep. DHT is anti inflammatory "keep alive" hormone. That is why retards nowadays are try to exercise using blood flow restriction practices (which is even more retarded)To break your fucking retarded DHT logic, if DHT was really reason for baldness then why would the top crown only go bald? Why wouldnt the whole head?The reason is because our constant tilt down of the head pulls on head skin, making it constrict small vessels in headIf you are losing hair and want to feel blood flow to top of scalp, go on stationary bike with head up (not slounched) and do 70 RPM on 100Wattsfor 30 minutesYou will feel heart in your scalp
>>76767914Lol, this just seems to be increasing the rate at ehich a shaved mouse grows its hair back, correct? Things for that already exist, I tried peppermint oil on my scalp for ages because that does the same thing and people said it was a natural alternative to finasteride and minoxidil. Obviously it didnt work so I hopped on the ACTUAL AND ALREADY EXISTING cure for baldness and now I've got my hair back.
>>76768305>Lol, this just seems to be increasing the rate at ehich a shaved mouse grows its hair back, correct?this, find me a mouse that lost its hairline 10 years ago thanks to its dads genetics, make that regrow and then we talk
>>76768305they were hairless mice.. and there was a control mouse where nothing regrew at all. its right in the photo brainlet
>>76767914China the center of innovation.US the center of pyramid schemes, fake money, fake people. Europeans are even bigger cucks than their american counterparts.
I don't believe it. If this works, why hasn't it been discovered before? People have tried all sorts of crazy shit such as onion juice on their scalp and weird obscure shit like eggs and peppermint oil. Why has no one attested to something so fucking simple as to olive oil? Why hasn't this been common knowledge, and why have I never seen someone suggest olive oil before?
>>76768305>ACTUAL AND ALREADY EXISTING cure for baldnessmin+ fin + derma rolling?I've been thinking of taking a cheap topical alcohol based solution
>>76768542Read the article. MUFA alone triggers growth, PUFA inhibits it. Pure MUFA is hard to find, it must be refined. Olive oil still contains 10% PUFA
>>76768542>>76769115That nigga really thought it meant you buy olive oil from the store and slap it onto your headoh no no no no
>>76768542>If this works,This is where you go wrong, it doesn't work.There's at least one mouse study a year that promises "the cure for baldness" that never amounts to anything because guess what, mice don't suffer from human male pattern baldness.The good news is, there already is a cure for human male balding (not for baldness), namely 5AR blockers such as dutasteride and finasteride.>>76767951Post hairline.
>>76768199Twin studies completely destroy your blood flow nigger babble, it is all androgen mediated men born with no 5-alpha reductase enzymes literally cannot get bald.>>76768516>they were hairless miceNot completely + not androgenic alopecia AND this growth effect wasn't even observed in humans, the whole study is worthless SHIT.The cope by you subhumans knows no limits, you deserve to be ruled by jews like the retarded cattle you are.
>>76769115So where can we find 0% PUFA olive oil?
>>76767951some nigga on reddit was saying he was rubbing ostrich oil on his head 3 times a day and it was working
>>76768048cleanse yourself from this board newfag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nhTVat3Z1M
These are shaved mice.Not the same thing as androgenic alopecia at all.There are like 100 studies like this "curing baldness" in mice. It's cope.
>>76769721Adding to my toughts a bit. To be fair there might be some merit to this oleic acid thing considering that saw palmetto somewhat works (not at regrowing hair but it can stop the progression of AGA as per Rossi 2012) and the active principles of sp are indeed its free fatty acids, mainly lauric mystiric and oleic, and we know from Raynaud et al 2002 that lauric and mysiric acid inhibit 5ar1 and 5ar2, whereas oleic acid only inhibits 5ar1 (that is present in sebaceous glands but not in dermal papilla).
>>76769656Based and fucking quick.Thanks Kev.
>>76767914chlorine dioxide cures balding
>>76769721>>76769739>he's still focused on androgens for hair>2025Just read the OP study; it's a deranged China mechanism of action that doesn't involve androgens.Also, you can look up CXCL12 inhibitors that treat all the alopecias instead of just androgenic, another fairly recent big drop.
>>76769765Because androgens cause male balding, it's only logical to focus on the root cause. Sure, there are many non androgen related active principles that can help you grow hair, such as minoxidil, but if you use them without addressing the androgen question then you will eventually go bald anyway. I don't know about the CXCL12 inhibitors thing though so I won't speak on that
>>76768046>Except it is entirely genetic.Proof? Oh wait there's none, this is just your shit opinion.>You are a retard that rubs raw eggs into your hair.Still smarter than the faggots rubbing their scalp with toxic soup of carcinogens (sham-poo) and wondering why they're bald. lmao>>76768111Animal fat would've worked better.
>>76769850Hey friend the Aajonus stuff works alright for many dis-eases but he himself said that he didn't know how to stop or prevent balding. Many primal diet plp on X like @cavepaleo are bald and it's pretty much confirmed from what I can see that generic primal diet advice won't prevent balding.
>>76769780>Because androgens cause male balding, it's only logical to focus on the root cause.Except that androgen blockade has fairly spotty hair regrowth results. As tempting as it is to take a reductionist "root cause" approach, dozens of different proteins have been identified that contribute to hair growth and regeneration, so treating the "root cause" is only marginally helpful in reversing balding.>>76769879All the "muh ancestral food" people are only right to cut out ultraprocessed goyslop, but need to seriously read up on modern molecular pharmacology to understand all the advanced shit you can do with non-normie bioactive foods.
>>76767914I fucking doubt it.t. Been Norwood 7 since high school
>>76769982>treating the "root cause" is only marginally helpfulMarginally =/= stopping AGA in 90% of caucasian men (99% asian). Androgen theory works. Mouse/rat studies about those "dozens of different proteins" are cool and all but if you rely on that you will be bald by the time something useful (for humans) comes out of those studies, if that ever happens.Also:>muh ancestral foodYou are mistakint paleo (cordain) for primal (aajonus) which is not quite the same thing e.g. one approach includes dairy, the other does not.
mice will hair if you take a dump on them
>>76770000>Marginally =/= stopping AGA in 90% of caucasian men (99% asian)And how often does anti-androgen monotherapy *fully* regrow hair? ALMOST NEVER.>Mouse/rat studies about those "dozens of different proteins" are cool and all but if you rely on that you will be bald by the time something useful (for humans) comes out of those studies, if that ever happens.This is demonstrably false if you actually just yolo all the mouse hair hits; plenty of 'em work fine, actually around half on average. You can literally look up which proteins are conserved with mice to predict this shit, lol.Like I *used to* rub on le memey-oxy-drill until some deranged China mouse study dropped earlier this year on Angelica sinensis and Ligusticum sinense saying they each grew over twice as much hair as min, tested that shit and sure enough the chinks weren't B.S.ing, kek.FDA still on some absolute shit-tier boomer garbage with insufficient mechanisms of action, shrimple as.
>>76770179Where do you buy the chink herbs?
>>76770226Mostly Amazon, they have just about all the vaguely popular relatively non-toxic ones by this point.
>>76768025The way I’ve seen it recommended with other topical oils is to rub it in, leave it overnight, and wash out in the morning. Use some kind of loose cap or lay an old t shirt on your pillow so you don’t wreck it. >>76770179Where do you go to read up on this stuff, or do you have a substack where you have breakdowns of different stack options? I’m only aware of the main pharma stuff and then the normie-tier alt ones like RU, pyrilutamide, pp405 if it ever comes out, etc, and all you hear about those online “just do fin, just do fin”. As an aside, how far gone do you have to be to where it’s not worth? I have a NW3 hairline that hasn’t budged for a whole, but this last year the whole cap of my scalp has started to diffuse thin, and it’s starting to look really ugly wet, thin on the crown, etc. it’s comparable to that famous pic of Matthew Mcconaughey back in the ‘90s. There’s no slick bald anywhere on my crown or scalp, and even where my temples used to be is still growing little vellus hairs. Just had a big shed this fall though, so that sucks. I know it’s rare to regrow hairline, but I think I’d be happy with the NW3 if the density would come back and the follicles still growing 30% power hairs would “de-miniaturize” or whatever you call it. Can post pics later, I made a thread on reddit and they weren’t helpful lmao
>>76770477>Where do you go to read up on this stuffPubMed, Google Scholar, and similar /sci/entific search engines. It has all the deranged China shit that pharma companies aren't even on top of yet, like thousands and thousands of compounds deep if you really scour the trichology literature.
>>76770596Fair enough hahaI was hoping that somebody was spoonfeeding this stuff on a blog somewhere, but doing my own legwork would be worth it if it works. Mostly I just never think to read random pubmed studies from how bad most exercise science papers are lmao, just have a knee jerk reaction against it
>>76767962>>76767956stfu ketoschizo go away
been hearing this shit my whole life. >its cured just 20 more years for the FDA approval
>>76770721Dicks out for the FDA mang, they're turning all those bean counters out to pasture now because of the goobermint shutdown.
>>76767914They haven't even used it on any humans don't post this. The pp405 shit has but even their trials aren't looking for nw6 of nw7 so it probably won't be that good either
>>76767914In the future having a tasteful norwood pattern will signal high status and self security. Just like ozempic did with being an obese powerlifter.
>>76767914I am listeningt. bald fuck
>>76767914>regrow hairline>starts squeaking while you brush it
>>76769850It's demonstrably genetic you dumb fuck, that's why some people get it and some people don't despite living the same fucking lifestyle. Why do I have a full head of hair but my coworker went completely fucking bald at 25? We have literal written and photographic accounts of people balding that pre-date the existence of shampoo you complete fucking retard. How the fuck are you this dense? Oh wait. Maybe it's because you RUB RAW EGG INTO YOUR HAIR
>>76767914I have tried all of the fad diets and nutritional philosophiesI have tried so many non-pharma remedies for hair regrowthNone of them workedMy hairline is not bad, I'm a diffuse thinner and it's not that bad, I just saw it early. Despite all this the only thing that works is rolling the dice with 5ar inhibitors and minox. They might not work for you, you might get sides, but it seems that is the best shot and in most cases the only shot.It's really strange how nobody has found a better solution, it would be the most profitable mens cosmetic product ever probably.
>>76767951If rubbing olive oil on your hair could prevent it, literally no one would be bald except for people who look better bald.
>>76767914>>76767929>causes neutrophil depletionThat’s a huge problem. You need white blood cells. Otherwise, it’s great news.
>>76771573ill just grow my hair back then stop so the white blood cells come back. it only took 3 weeks in mice anyway!
>>76771550Does everyone in the world already rub olive oil on their scalps? Have I been left out?
>>76767951Did this once to try and cure my dandruff and all it did was give me super dandruff
If science can actually reverse things like hair loss and circumcision, I will sing its praises like a redditor
>>76771540>It's really strange how nobody has found a better solution5ar is the root cause of balding so of curse nobody will find anything better than 5ar inhibitors.
>>76769850>>Except it is entirely genetic.>Proof? Oh wait there's none, this is just your shit opinion.Are you really thinking there's no genetic link to male pattern baldness? Incredible. Although, that does explain why your wife's baby came out black. There's no genetic link to skin color after all.
>>76772955Well then why doesn't finasteride or dutasteride work for everyone? Some people after years of use get very little effect. Also these 2 drugs mechanisms would suggest that dut is just super fin, as it eliminates more DHT and targets both types, instead of just one. However people can react very differently to either, sometimes tolerating dut and not fin without sides, and sometimes vice versa. Also modern drugs rarely gets to the true root cause of something, they turned to to treat symptoms or middle causes as it takes less research and also leads to making more money from a variety of drugs.
>>76772984>Well then why doesn't finasteride or dutasteride work for everyoneProbably because some plp are just that sensitive to dht/androgens, so that basically its mere presence causes hair follicle miniaturizarion over time (fin and dut don't get androgens to 0). The real question then is why are some people so sensitive to androgens and some people not at all. Popular answer is genetics but I'm not sure about that, it seems like a cope answer to me because we just don't know.>Also these 2 drugs mechanisms would suggest that dut is just super fin, as it eliminates more DHT and targets both types, instead of just one. However people can react very differently to either, sometimes tolerating dut and not fin without sides, and sometimes vice versa.They are not that similar because for example their molecular weights differ, which cause important pharmacokynetic differences. Also I'm not sure that inhibiting 5ar type 1 (what dut does that fin doesn't) considering that 5ar2 is the type found in dermal papilla (5ar1 is in sebaceous glands).
What stage of balding is it considered to be if I’ve had a NW3 hairline that hasn’t moved for like 6 years, but I’m slowly diffuse thinning across the whole scalp+crown? I don’t have any bald spots on the back, but it’s starting to look thinner even when it’s dry. Was on low dose fin for all of last year, idk if it did much, and I started to worry it was making my depression worse. Gonna try topical next, but idk if it can even restore density. I’d be fine with my fucked up hairline if the thickness would come back where hair does still grow. Especially if some of the baby hair follicles would recover to real hair.
>>76773215>Genetics seems like a cope answerI agree, we don't know the full root cause or at least we don't understand the entirety of the problem>Pharmacokinetic differencesYes and this leads to people reacting differently to the drugs. There are cases of dut working where fin does not and the opposite, as well as neither working much at all as I said.Combine this with other studies that say that follicles are asleep and not dead, even chrome domes, and you have to ask why the hair wouldn't all grow back eventually on these drugs for everyone.Alas, 5ar inhibitors and min is the best we got until many more years research. Mice pattern baldness has been cured many times, that ain't worth a damn
>>7676791495% of mice studies don't pan out in humans.
>>76773303
>>76771424>>76772971So you have no proof of it being genetic. I accept your concession.I know it's hard to accept that you're wrong, but you'll get used to it. Try not being such a hysterical bitch about it next time, I'm getting second-hand embarrassment from you guys.
>>76772955>5ar is the root cause of balding so of curse nobody will find anything better than 5ar inhibitors.How come Osteopontin-CD44 upregulators and CXCL12 inhibitors actually regrow hair across multiple types of alopecia instead of just androgenic, then?If the root cause of somebody breaking a bone is minearal skill issues, it doesn't mean they shouldn't get a cast anyway and maybe upregulate some deranged China growth factors to heal faster, kek.
>>76773303this one WILL
Whatever happened to that topical sugar that stimulated hair growth?
>>76771573neutrophils have the lifespan of a fly and you make 100 billion a day, it's fine
>>76773329I just proved it's genetic you stupid faggot, here's more proof: indians don't wash their hair with shampooLoads of indians are bald
>>76772292no, he's just a troll/retard nobody rubs fucking olive oil in their hair, maybe some retard wops or dagos do but it doesn't do anything
>>76773323those overgrooming bastard mice should include>pulls out own hair anyway
>>76774634cope thats what ur norwood 4, faggot
>>76772292olive oil has been ubiquitous for thousands of years, and people have been rubbing stuff into their skin for even longer. In ancient times in the middle east, it was a common custom to rub oil on a visitor's head, there are scenes in the Bible where this is of significance. If it reversed hairloss, people would've figured out.
>>76768103>just take fin>become a tranny, goyfuck off kike
just rub oil or massage your bald head bro, definitely with 8 billion people alive right now, and even more throughout human history, no one has ever tried to do it before
>>76767951>>76771550>>76774732>>76768065As the local ancient History nerd, I fear these guys are bringing up a huge point about olive oil. As that anon says, Cesar was bald and mad about it. So if there had been a cure, he'd have used it. Now, Roman bath habits involved a step where they covered their bodies with scented oils, of course mostly olive, and then scraped themselves with a bone tool. That's how they got the grime off, and it doubles as a sort of massage.As super rich nobility and a major player in politics, Cesar was probably very often in the baths. And aside from the full routine, applying scented oils to the skin was also a common daily habit back then.If olive oil made your hair grow, he wouldn't have been bald.The same can be said for many other men. The Greeks liked stylized and idealized art but the Romans were all about realistic art. If you had a big nose, your statue was getting a big nose. And we've got plenty of Roman art showing bald Roman men. If olive oil fixed it, they'd have known it.
>>76773323kek
>>76767951that seems to be confirmed by chatgpt:>For people (NOT recommended as a “do it at home” experiment)>The mouse methods use 100% ethanol vehicle and lab-grade SDS to deliberately irritate skin — both are harsh and can damage human skin. The paper does not contain a validated human protocol and explicitly notes human in-vivo efficacy was not proven. Do not use the mouse SDS or the exact ethanol formulations on yourself. >Monounsaturated fatty acids are common (e.g., oleic acid is the main component of olive oil). The paper shows MUFAs can stimulate hair-follicle stem cells in mice, but translation to humans is unproven and could be variable/unsafe. If you want a low-risk approach, discuss with a dermatologist; they might consider safe, clinically validated procedures (microneedling, platelet-rich plasma, topical minoxidil, etc.) rather than DIY ethanol/FA treatments.they create an irritation to the skin and apply monounsaturated fatty acidsthe main detail is they irritate the skin using a cotton pad every 30min for 4 daysnot sure what would be the equivalent using micro needling?or maybe using a chemical peeling? like glycolic acid or retinol
>>76774626Me way on the back
