Anyone who says mechanical tension is the only driver of hypertrophy is a mouth breather. If that were true then a single all out isometric contraction would be all you'd need to build as much muscle as possible. Theres a metabolic component too here. That burn you feel as a muscle gets close to failure is important. Muscle size scales basically linearly with 9 rep max strength in the literature when you dig in and read everything that's worth a damn. You need both mechanical tension and metabolic stress in the muscle for it to grow properly
>>76769783Hey retard, what do you think is the other driver of hypertrophy in exercise? Only precise answers please.If you say metabolic stress, you're wrong.Muscle damage? Wrong too.The only thing that has been shown repeatedly to induce hypertrophy in isolation is mechanical tension, we have studies showing hypertrophy is possible from co-contractions, with very low rep sets, with single sets, with long rest periods, with shortened partials, and any other training modality that minimizes metabolic stress and muscle damage so please just fucking stop.
>>76769783>If that were true then a single all out isometric contraction would be all you'd need to build as much muscle as possiblehe hasn't heard of the flex every muscle in your body as hard as you can all the time routine. lmao'ing @ you're life
>>76769804Explain then how muscular hypertrophy in terms of volume maximizes around 10-20 sets then you idiot. Accumulation of metabolites is a minor but important part of maximally stimulating hypertrophy. Again, if it is SOLELY mechanical tension, then a single isometric contraction would be enough. I also never claimed muscle damage you strawman making dick-cheese
>>76769817Dan John, is that you?
Yep. Mechanical tension is produced from stretching lol not lifting weights. If it was true then you would just want to do negatives with extremely heavy weights What actually produces gains is the difference between the neurological signal of movement and the actual movement under load. Aka good old muscular fatigue as perceived by the nervous systemt. Engineer
>>76769833I trust you if you're actually an engineer because you've been trained how to actually think
>>76769783Shut up nerd, just lift
>>76769804>he thinks the stimulus needed to cause hypertrophy is the same stimulus needed to maximize hypertrophy
All you need to do is flex as hard as you can and stretch. Your muscles can't contract harder than they can flex and stretching takes care of rom and flexibility. Lifting is a meme. Just flex all the time. As a bonus you'll get endless haters by flexing in various places such as weighting in line at the store, hanging out at the gym, going out to a nightclub, at a funeral or wedding, at your favorite lqbtq rally, waiting trial at courtroom, etc. Just flex on the haters they all ghey.
All of you, post body immediately.
Flexing as hard as possible and stretching as far as possible employs all successful training principles without lifting a single weight:>progressive overloadthe harder you flex the harder you can flex over time>volumeflex at all possible times>time under tensionflex all the time>isometricsjust flex>full body routineflex every muscle in your body no neglected body parts>mind muscle connectionliterally just think about flexing a muscle and flex>can't lift from various ailmentsa thing of the past>sick in bedlay there and flex all your muscles>weighted stretchflex while stretching>tore a muscle liftingvirtually impossible flexing
>>76769822>Explain then how muscular hypertrophy in terms of volume maximizes around 10-20 setsthat's just an arbitrary range made up by "the experts" extrapolated from the findings of 8-12 week exercise trials on mostly barely trained subjectsrelationship between volume and hypertrophy is perfectly explained by mechanical tension, sets are merely units of time in which muscle fibers experience tension, there is always a time component when it comes to contractions, even a single isometric contraction can stimulate growth, but it has to be high enough in effort thus reaching high enough levels of motor unit recruitment but also needs to respect the time required for contractile units to hook on one another and produce tension, there is no metabolic stress variable.>Accumulation of metabolitesWhich causes absolutely 0 growth and we know this beyond a shadow of a doubt because we have studes in which ppl were put in blood flow restriction cuffs or even injected with metabolites and they experience no growth whatsoever.>Again, if it is SOLELY mechanical tension, then a single isometric contraction would be enough.We already have studies showing that isometric contractions build significant amounts of muscle, and also countless anecdotes from over 100 years ago up until now.There is no other driver of hypertrophy, it's all mechanical tension.>>76769833Not how it works.>>76769848Ok so we should see people experiencing greater hypertrophy from post-workout metabolite injections right?Oh, that was already put to the test... and it was a nothing burger, even subjects who trained and right after training were forced to put on blood flow restriction cuffs or injected with metabolites experienced 0 additional growth, there is literally no effect, no benefit, not even a littlebit of synergy.
>>76770020>we have studes in which ppl were put in blood flow restriction cuffs or even injected with metabolites and they experience no growth whatsoeverHow does it feel to lie so easily? Idk I'm not a sociopath or whatever
The real answer is metabolic stress; mechanical tension doesn't matter and merely serves to cause metabolic stress in myocytesLook into AMPK, ERRa, PPARd
It feels like we're rediscovering maxxalding but it might just be a singular tard spamming the idea of flexing constantly. Personally, I believe it is muscle fatigue just like most and basically do what Mentzer said idk.
>>76769783>If that were true then a single all out isometric contraction would be all you'd need to build as much muscle as possibleHave you tried that? Even at all? Just because a lot of people don't do it doesn't mean it doesn't work for at least some people if done properly.>>76770672Training a muscle sufficiently close to the point of momentary muscular failure under a sufficient amount of tension overloads the mechanoreceptors in the muscle cell which then release signalling proteins that stimulate an increase in MPS. Increasing the tension over time is how you keep overloading the mechanoreceptors to force them to adapt until you reach the point where growth is entirely inhibited by myostatin. This is why "mechanical tensions" is referred to as the factor in growth. Challenging the muscle and increasing the challenge when necessary is what every bodybuilder from the bronze era to now has done in order to increase size. Strength generally correlates fairly closely to size. There are caveats to this, such as needing to account for leverage and technique when performing certain motions. Someone might get strong on a BP, but not put very much tension on the pecs due to the technique they're using. Whereas another person who uses a technique that puts as much tension on the pecs as possible and keeps tension on them won't be moving as much weight in general. In light of what was before, the latter case is the guy who will have the biggest pecs. Not the guy who leverages the weight up and uses as much muscle as possible. >muscle fatigueFatigue is just a byproduct of proper training. It's a symptom of all the metabolic/chemical byproducts of taking the muscle to that point rather than a cause of growth.
>>76769783It's the primary not only. This holds true even in exercise designed to hypertrophy type 1 fibers instead of type 2 (the normal lifting ones).You muscle fibers are covered are covered in this kind of mesh that connects to mechanosensor cells. When these cells detect peaks in tension on that mesh they release mtor which kicks off this whole hypertrophy shebang.Now that's out of the way, when they're talking about tension they're not talking about the distributed tension from weight they're talking about the tension on a specific fiber. This changes as sets progress. As failure is neared it progressively hands off more work from type 1 to type 2 fibers and the tension on these fibers themselves increase the closer they are to failing.So know you're probably wondering "why does it have to be repped?". Because those little mechanosensors don't do continuous mtor output in response to that tension. They only squirt out a little before the mesh needs to relax in order to do that again. They're have a fixed output.
>>76769783Oh yeah fun fact many animals are cable growing muscle through just having it stretched under load like birds. We're just not one of them.
