Why do people bother with steroids when natty lifting makes you look like this?
>>76781095>>76781101He's not natty. And anyone thinking he is, is a fucking newfag DYEL moron.I won't elaborate.
>>76781121He looks natty to me. You just want to say you're smaller than that.
>>76781128You pajeets should be rangebanned.
>>76781101>>76781095Who fucking cares?Steroids dominate everything including the olympics and world athletics and so on!Deal with it.
>>76781121>He's not natty. And anyone thinking he is, is a fucking newfag DYEL moron.I think it's more likely than not. It's almost impossible to really really want huge muscles and not roid, because it's so easy, AND you don't have to train very hard once you do, or optimize nutrition and recovery autistically. 95% of roiders probably aren't even smart enough to do it if they tried.He trains as hard as 5-time Olympias but he's nowhere near that big.
>>76781130What an embarrassing non sequitur comeback.
you could train really hard and consistently for years and only look like that when he's dieted and with a pumpor you could take roids and half ass everything
BTW made this to bait but people actually believe this guy is natty in 2025, /fit/ has fallen.
>>76781121Bro just say you’re lazy and be done with it.
>>76781207100% natty, don't spread misinformation
>>76781207>"fit has fallen" just say you remained stuck in DYEL territory forever, bitch boy
>>76781158>He trains as hard as 5-time Olympiaslol srs? GVS looks awesome and he def trains hard but let's not pretend like he doesn't bitch away from all kinds of heavy lifting In that way he's very reminiscent of the newfags who complain about doing heavy bench (muh shoulder) heavy squats (muh lower back) heavy deads (muh pussy) this dude managed to jack up his lower back and QL from fucking leg presses and struggles to bench 225lb while weighing 225lb he goes hard on curls and pushdowns but that's it
>>76781095signs that hint at him being natty>jawlet>hair>good white skin>no eodemassigns that hint at him being roided>he kinda big
>>76781239>>76781095>>76781128He is a roidmonkey. Look at the obvious boulder delts and and rigid tumor-like back. Also the leanness look unnatty
>>76781246> big delts = big roids, no exceptions hehethat's...dumb. dude is lean, literally pumped and mid-set obv his delts look huge and rounded. when he bulks up he loses the capped delt look
>>76781246>>76781257His delts are not even that round, they're a bit squared, they pop out of the arm because he's very lean but not in a spherical way
>>76781257and to elaborate, I started lifting 6 months ago, and I gained 4 kgs of muscle already. If I end up lifting like GVS for 10 years, this means I'll have gained at least 60 kgs of muscle (because muscle gain isn't linear) and completely mog him. From that perspective, his transformation is lowkey mid.
Roidtrannies have nothing else going on in their lives and no other goals so they dont mind spending all their time, energy, money, and health on roiding
>>76781275Sounds similar to my story, I'm 8 months in and I went from 135 to 148 pounds already, I don't think people like this are impressive, if anything underwhelming when you see other people who (I believe are natty) like the Rock etc.
>>76781128>>76781158>>76781230>fucking newfag DYEL morons>>76781207It's just Americans being Americans.
>>76781257>that's...dumb. dude is lean, literally pumped and mid-set obv his delts look huge and rounded.>when he bulks up he loses the capped delt lookThis, exactly. People like my idol Cbum who are natty or almost natty can look like this when they have a pump and are lean, but they lose that capped look when they bulk, which means they're natural.
>>76781275>>76781288holy retards. you hit the easiest of newbie gains and don't even know how much of that 4kg is just water retention and you think you can just gain 60kg by lifting for 10 years. Yes the gains are non-linear but that means you will struggle to put even half a kilo of muscle after about another 5-10kg as a natty
>>76781275you're in for a big surprise and disappointment you newfag dyel
>>76781095Roid tranny bicep vein
>>76781366nigga you're just fat
>>76781366Never been below 15% bodyfat eh?
>>76781236>he goes hard on curls and pushdowns but that's itGoing to failure at 8-12 10 times a day isn't easy. You never need 1rms for bodybuilding.
>>76781400Wow 10 sets bro? That's INSANE
>>76781095a few things give away gear use to me.traps/delt developing like crazy since you cant stop them from training on near every exercise, then gear helps them recover.routines that make no sense unless someone trained well, went on gear and then became retarded and is compensating with gear. many many cases of it, its like watching chimps first training session with some of the big guys who are so reliant on gear.the urge to wear those vests we see in the OP post, you are either some skinny brocolli boy, or on gear. i have no proof of this. worst of all, gear has became the norm to the point that its easier to assume ppl are on rather than off. you cant say for sure either way with this guy without seeing him train or in person. the amount of roid spots ive seen on 150lb noodles is insane though, not even lean 150, just clearly obsessed with upper body and thinking their 26" waist exagerates their upper half and it looks good. openly talking about growth and test in a public gym while looking like a dad who does a pysical job as well... jesus its embarrasing.
>>76781292your mother is a whore and i fucked your sister
>>76781400>Going to failure at 8-12 10 times a day isn't easyI've been doing that for 8 months and it's eas as fuck. Just lift until your body can't anymore. Are you dyels so mentally weak you can't reach failure on every set you do?
>>76781441This is why I said >>76781288 - you guys are just weak DYELs, 8 months in and I already mog you, I can't wait till I gain my 60 kgs of muscle over the next few years.
>>76781095T
>>7678140010 times a day damn bro is that shit tough where you live? lmao GVS has fuckall 5RM and 10RMs for all lifts that aren't curls or pushdowns. He trains like a pussy the moment there's actual weight on the bar. I mean that's alright if it works for his goals but it's his shitty lifts that sometimes make me doubt whether he's natty. Bro struggles with a bw bench for reps
>>76781132My own highschool had a steroid era let alone d1 athletes, hypothetically no natty you cant keep up with roiders until youre about 25 since theyll forever be back and forth on test ranges and cant keep muscle. Idk what crack most people are smoking to not see the telltale signs of roiding like lower muscle quality, blocky tissue, bulgy veins, dry striations, less matured insertions, underdeveloped frame or growth hormone looking shit like brock lesnar he looks like half cow, constant less mass etc.>deal with itMeh im working on 20in biceps suck it roider i still didnt juice even when i was making 0 size gains.
>>76781449This guy can bench his bodyweight like air with delts only. >>76781257It doesnt flow as much you can tell its isolations. If you want big delts try actually training heavy(without injuring yourself) then doing isolations, and also finishing the rom and doing more mid/end rep prison reps. Gotta try some stupid narrow grip tricepless and you just lever the weight up on mp(important its like a raise and super light) other than that standard shit finish off the shoulder sessions with some dbs/cables and mmc the different fibers you wanna hit, or just grease the groove as delts are hard to get to grow fast due to fast recovery and hard mmc. Moving bench/incline with just delts will also make them huge. Ive been meaning to get a squat cage for cables too.
>>76781441>I've been doing that for 8 months and it's eas as fuck. Just lift until your body can't anymore. Are you dyels so mentally weak you can't reach failure on every set you do?No, I train hard too. Thing is no one else does (90%), especially roiders. Roiders who train hard look like Ronnie Coleman.
>>76781128>He looks natty to me.So why don't you look anything like him?
>>76781500Natties typically dont eat smart, I drink soda amd beer pwo and mid workout to replenish glycogen. You can eat all the protein you want but without carbs and fats protein synthesis wont happen and itll happen less. You cant just go hungry once or twice a week for a few hours on a bulk and expect your body not to think you need to save calories, also how ronnie eats carbs and protein at least as his test comes from a needle. >natty strength doesnt look as big as roidedYou get to a point where roiders have to actively be on highish dose to compete, its a legit disadvantage unless youre willing to be half drunk for days at a time.
>>76781441>>76781447Going to failure is easy when you're weak and starting out. Try squatting to failure with 180kg and tell me how you get on
>>76781500What’s your training look like? Give me an example of what you do on a gym day
>>76781532Failure is gay unless low reps. I dont even build size with over 8 reps because idk if its just me but even resting 5min feels like im at reps 5-15 so i like 5rms and variable rest, the issue with low reps is you need to train form to activate all fibers or they wont grow. Same reason a lot of people dont have massive chests or rear delts its just a more difficult muscle to train and youre on some bodybuilding.com tier shit.
>>76781534>What’s your training look like? Give me an example of what you do on a gym dayCurls to 20ish, warmup, then 2x10-15 to failureReverse fly machine, 2-4 stage drop setCable row to 20ish warmup, then 1x10-15 to failureFace pull 2x20, 5 RIRPulldown 20ish warmup, 15-20 to failure7-day PPL>>76781530Natties can only be big and lean once a year or less from what I understand. I haven't been really lean yet.
>>76781532>squattingThat's your problem, you absolute gaylord.
>>76781543Dude this is amazing. This is the hard training you natty CHADS are all talking about that you do that makes roiders look like little babies pissing and shitting themselves?Hahahahahahaha.. this has got to be bait..
He’s nattyt. Lifted 12 years natty and have better definition than him.
>>76781400I cant hit deep chest fibers unless its 3rm or so, and 5rm dropsets are my go to for overall size and density.
>>76781550Post body bud. Let’s see this 12 year natty fizeek that puts an obvious steroid user to shame :)
>>76781546Problem? This is how all big natties train.
>>76781556
>>76781095>>76781101>>76781558That rat/jew looking mf lives in China. He's obviously fucking roiding.
>>76781562That looks like untrained 18-20 year olds in my country.
>>76781563You think?? You sound like a jealous dyel.
>>76781095200% natty
>>76781543Idk the point of being super lean, less aesthetic than mid/late bulk and it basically ruins your progroess for several months out of a year meaning the you who wasnt worried about women who watch twilight and go to the mall would probably outlift you at everything and still be aesthetic/lean.
>>76781568Shut the fuck up you clueless monkey.
>>76781572Was he actually lifting a lot before roiding? Id guess so becaise he has big delts and looks like hed hit the typical muscles on bench besides pecs due to androgen receptor density and muscle maturity seeming higher on delts than arms from compounds only.
>>76781546>this has got to be bait..No, this is bait.
Damn I love pure natty lifting
>>76781563Thats not even in the question if you ever actually lifted natty youd know fast gains dont even look like that its more rounded and less striated. >bulging bicep/top forearm veins>unhealthy skin>arbitrarily lean just to not get femboy nipplesAll tells if someone is roiding, he looks like hes using a lot of good shit, bad shit basically raises bp through the roof and your body is trying to rid toxins. I could post my body and youd instantly see the difference, but most people who make a living bodybuilding arent good at anything else and they roid to get rich fast. I used to not be able to tell because literally everyone in social media is roiding, and then they give you shit advice and you either roid or stay small or figure it out yourself. Being strong natty is rarer than being a doctor i shit you not.
Imagine if he started roiding... With his genetics he could be Mr Olympia with only just a little bit of test. So much wasted potential but I understand that being healthy is a priority.
Random videos he isn't shredded with lighting and just looks like a big dude, see 2:25 here.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_8eM0S584o
>>76781612>So much wasted potential
>>76781615>2017>literally feels like yesterdayBros... i'll go lift.
>>76781613Damn turns out he's natty
>>76781613He's just the typical natty that dials in his lifting after 5+ years and suddenly gains 15 kg of muscle. All my favorite pro lifters also follow the same trajectory and they say they're also natty.
>>76781543Post push and legs aswell im curious
>>76781632I know roided gymrats smaller than him
>>76781635>Post push and legs aswell im curiousSome pushing and legs. Buy a program from nippard
>>76781635The main thing is I try to always keep 5 reps in reserve, around 15-20 reps, 2 sets and MAXIMUM intensity, lift hard.
>>76781660On the hard sets how many reps tho? For example on my push days i'll just do 3x5 on bench around 100kg depending on how strong i am on that day and then i'll do one all out set on shoulder machine and some triceps and i call it a day. I don't know if it's not a lot of work but it's really hard the time i do it
>>76781439Oh yeah? Well I bond burgered yours faggot
>>76781572That's just getting jacked and then starving. I don't know what you roid freaks think a natty is supposed to look like after 10 years of top 15% genetics and top 15% effort and top 15% nutrition.
>>76781578He was a distance runner before lifting
>>76781672This is how natties look with top 10% genes and work.
>>76781634thumbnailposter, are you retarded or doing this deliberately to be annoying? Are you really so dumb that you can't tell you're downloading thumbnails instead of the full-size picture?This is tantamount to avatarposting. Everytime I see a 225x225 picture on this board I know it's your dumb ass posting something retarded again.
>>76781672Retard
>>76781680Retard, Just look at this.
>>76781095I'm a part of a natty bodybuilding forum and there are plenty of dudes who are as big as GVS or even bigger competing in federations so strict they even consider creatine as grounds for taking away natty status. He's got good genetics and he works his ass off. He's also on what, year 11 now? If you go back through quora and his old YouTube videos he's been documenting his growth for like 7 years and he's slowly gotten way bigger over time. People saying this isn't possible natty have such abysmally blackpilled standards it's hilarious
>>76781694Delulu of the highest order.
>>76781694>>76781694>o strict they even consider creatine as grounds for taking away natty statuswhat kind of fuckass natural bodybuilding forum is this lol? hope it's not r/naturalbodybuilding...
>>76781275>>76781288kek good postsThis is exactly the mentality of the average normalfag getting into lifting. Everyone is natty because surely my beginner gains will continue forever.
>>76781716he's not wrong, do you really think homosexuals like GVS and Basement are peak natty genetics? They'd get fucking demolished at any natty bodybuilding show. There's a reason none of them have ever actually competed. GVS himself acknowledges this. You guys need to look legit natty pros to see what top tier genetics look like instead of Youtube shitbags
>>76781694>they even consider creatine as grounds for taking away natty status.Sure dude. These amateur federations also randomly test more than they do in the olympics right? So no way anyone of these dudes roid, just like in the olympics.
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>>76781742For them natty means 250mg test/week.
>>76781530You drink beer pre and during workout?
I'm natty and lifting for over 10 years now. Only last 3 years I actually know what I'm doing.
>>76781095GVS has been gymceling 6 days a week for the past 11 yearsThat's not an easy choice to make.
>>76781694Post body then and show us what's capable natty
>>76781572This picture always makes me laughNigga looks like a creature
>>76781101Natty btw lmoa
>>76781095because that shitty ass physique would not even place him anywhere near 10000th rank
>>76781275>I started lifting 6 months >I'll have gained at least 60 kgs in 10 yearsKek. Really good bait.
>>76781722Not the forum, the federation itself
>>76782246This guy is natty btw
>>76782256even the best roidmonkey genetics will only get you 45kg with 10 years of deathblasting
>>76781562You got to be kidding. Your size and leanness is much lower than his. In fact, I am personally a little bigger than you and I've been hitting the gym for like 18 months.
>>76781694Your stupidity is one of the most reliable human traits. You deserve to be exploited forever.
I love how mad GVS makes people who roid and yet are smaller than him.
>>76781742None of these are natty. These shows don't actually test anybody most of the time or at most only the winner. It is also very easy to cheat the test. This is the reality. Accept it dyel
>>76782559you were stupidly skinny for a man and/or you're just confused about what lean mass isotherwise you'd be the next mr olympia
>>76782538You're retarded, I already told you I gained 4 kg in only 6 months. If you extrapolate and then account for non-linear gains, I'll easily end up gaining 40-50 kgs as a natty over the next 8-10 years.
>>76782601COPE
>>76782638>if you extrapolateNot how it works. Not even a little bit. You’ll put on 20-30kg over the next five years if EVERYTHING you do is perfect. You will most likely stall out at about 10kg lean mass gains and then spin your wheels indefinitely or hop on gearGains not only are not linear, they drop off exponentially.
>>76782626I was very skinny and I did my math wrong; which is why I deleted, I gained 25kg of lean mass.
>>76782670You're retarded, I already told you I went from 54 kg to 58 in just 6 months, you think I'll have trouble gaining 30 kg which is like 8 times what I gained already in 5 years which is like 10 times the time??? Remember I will also get more efficient in my training and diet.
>>76782677Over 3 years mind you, and I expect to increase it to 50kg of lean mass in another 2 years.
>>76781095Because they are mentally ill and are trying to overcompensate for their bad geneticsHave of them don't even work hard enough to look buff at most they ruin their bodies to look like natty lifters with decent routine
>>76782682>I already told you I went from 54 kg to 58 in just 6 months, you think I'll have trouble gaining 30 kg which is like 8 times what I gained already in 5 years which is like 10 times the time???Nta but yes, you will obviously have incredibly difficulty doing that and most likely will accomplish anything close to it. Your first year or two is where you can make rapid gains easily then hit a brick wall.
>>76782684You know it's useless to roleplay as someone when you can just look at the deleted post right?
>>76782687I don't think I'll hit any walls, and if so I can switch it up by buying another program.
>>76781095He's big, strong and has a chinese wife.I wanna be like him
>>76782693And just to prove my point here's how I looked after gaining 25 kg of muscle in 6 years. And I'm sure I'll get to 40 kg soon.
>>76782704Better. Godspeed.
>>76782706Specifically I went from 34kg (when I was fully anorexic) to 59 kg kg in this picture after a minicut. I'm not up to 61 kg and a bit less lean but working on hitting 80 kg in the mid term (I'm 1.63m if that helps).
>>76782694Not how that works. I was 118lbs at 5’11” when I graduated highschool and am now 190lbs at 36 years old (18% bodyfat).. Muscle is really really hard to gain past a certain point and that point depends entirely on genetics.
>>76782720You sound like a) didn't lift hard and b) didn't buy the right programs, I think if you bought jeff nippletards program for hard gainers like yourslef you could get somewhere
So the virtue of this thread is: just roid to get big instead of staying a small natty?
>>76782699>strong
>>76781804REAL
>>76781095Some people just want to give themselves liver cancer and chemical castration while staying victim weight, obviously.
>>76782694Nigga you arent anything special everyone hits the wall after a year or so
>>76783589I already didn't hit any walls, so what you're saying is irrelevant.
>>76781095>He's natty.... because.... he said soSo do O'Hearn and Jeff Seid
>>76781095he pretty clearly jumped on something in 2020. His FFMI was 23, which may have been his personal max for someone with only average genetics. Then gains another 13 lbs of muscle despite being capped out for 3 years before 2020.
>>76781095I look like this natty and I've been training for about a year but nobody believes me
>>76784947Me too brother.
>this threadI don't know who's trolling who anymore
>>76781095Most people have neither the genes, nor the work ethic to look like that naturally.Hell, most roiders look absolutely disgraceful.vid related:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQr6yFbthY8
>>76781101Brutal calf-pillMirin' forearms.
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>>76781130TROOKACOLA>>76781182Saarjeets cannot comeback from this argumet
