If solomon nelson and lyle mcdonalds are right...Why do they have such mid physiques?They dont even look like they lift, how do you end up training for years and years knowing everything needed to know and still stalling?
They're natty.
>>76789085So what? I am natural and people still call me big
>>76789075Well, it's possible to actually have all the knowledge while being too lazy to apply it yourself. I've got a friend who used to play football in college and competed in powerlifting after, was insanely jacked and had legitimately elite numbers. Except he stopped training years ago and looks like an average fat guy who's never even been in a gym now. But his knowledge is still there, to this day we talk about lifting a lot and I ask him for advice, and whenever I've listened to him it's actually worked. He knows what to do but chooses not to do it himselfMaybe Solomon is just lazy like my friend, or has trash genetics
>>76789075bro looks better than 95% of fit lmao
>>76789093post body, big boy
>>76789075They look great for average people of their respective ages bro not everyone can be Cbum. For a 50 year old retired guy lyle is a 10/10 and for a geeky academic Solomon is in the top 1%
>>76789075why didn't you post his physique, or yours?
>>76789093Genetics.I can outlift most people in my gym who are much bigger and yet I don’t look that big.
>>76789075Nelson is fit. Lyle is old.
>>76789075because the guy is a lawyer and Lyle is 50.
Whenever I see a bloated roidtranny, I think that it looks like they don't lift.Literally that one spongebob episode physique.
>>76789075>>76789121>>76789143He weighs 73kg.
>>76789168Which is 160lbs in freedom units. That's victim weight.
>>76789168>>76789176What's his height though? 160lbs can be a decent weight if he's a manlet
>>76789168>>76789176That's a normal weight for a lean, athletic male of average height. If you're significantly heavier than that and natty you're probably just fat.
>>76789143Impressive
>>76789167Such a great episode...
>>76789184ThisEveryone on the internet lying about their numbers has completely skewed most of this boards sense of reality. You constantly get guys 5'8" 160lbs claiming they're 6'0" 220lbs like it's fucking WWE, so now people who are too stupid to realise everyone is lying thinks 160lbs is skeletor tier and 220lbs is an average build
>>76789075That guy looks healthy and fit.
>>76789184It's not.
>>76789184The average height of an adult caucasian male is about 5'10", at that height, 160lbs 12%bf which is about ideal bodyfat level for both long term sustainability and hormonal profile, you would have only slightly above average FFMI. If you claim to be a fitness expert, and after a decade of training you only have a slightly above average FFMI, then you have no authority to speak on the topic. At the same height/bf%, a good height would be 15lbs more for someone advanced.
>>76789220a good weight*
>>76789184>>76789203Twink DYEL cope.
>>76789220>>76789229Nobody cares about your optimal grindr build, women like men at 16-25% BF and there's nothing you can do.
>>76789183i think he's 5'9
>>76789230every ad on earth shows a guy with visible abs tho
>>76789236
>>76789230>but what about the womenlol
>>76789190>>76789203Im not so much heavier, im about 84 kg, lean. But i look clearly bigger.
>>76789220>slightly above average FFMIExactly, i.e. the natty limit>>76789212>>76789229Post body then
>>76789143wtf is he 5’3
>>76789276>Exactly, i.e. the natty limitWhat are you talking about? The average FFMI is 19-19.5. A 5'10" 160lbs 12%bf man has an FFMI 20.5. Natties with years of training have an FFMI of 22+, and the highest recorded FFMIs before steroids become mainstream were around 24ish.This is turbo DYEL territory.
>>76789289>the highest recorded FFMIs before steroids become mainstream were around 24ishYeah because they had exceptional genetics. Solomon has average skinny guy genetics. He would weigh like 140lbs at 15% bodyfat naturally
>>76789289That jew Solomon is posting here unironically. He got butthurt in another thread and almost exposed himself. This whole situation is so fucking hilarious. He's taking down another jew, while working with another jew, at the same time he tries to take down Nippard and shitposts here, gets butthurt for being called a twink cut jew. Almost gets a melty and he's still here.KINO
>>76789304>That jew Solomon is posting here unironicallyHe is probably just lurking every now and then, i dont think he has the time to actively post here... not that he even needs to since he's become the talk of the town in that specific fitness youtube niche... and i dont think he could ever be butt hurt just from reading some mean comments on this troll infested forum, keep in mind that he is now the target of actual threats from really nasty people.The fit community likes to follow trends, who knows what is gonna be the next hot topic after this mess calms down?...Also im clearly not a twink by the way.
>>76789353I miss tomposting
>>76789168>>76789176How is this bad for a lean natty person?
>>76789353He lurks here and made a video about this place years ago. Despite the reputation of this site, plenty of people come here. Even YT fags
>>76789304>That jew Solomon is posting here unironically. He got butthurt in another thread and almost exposed himself.and how is it bad? he's witty, cunning and wants to stir up shit, he embodies the old spirit of imageboardsI'm not surprised he lurks and I'm definitely not upset about this
>>76789573He reviewed this place many years ago and said that its bad
>>76789389Because that's not a whole lot of weight for an adult male unless you're short.
>>76789777It's even worse now, basically "Green Reddit" but with only a quarter of the users.
>>76789168Perfectly good weight for a natty. What is it with americans and thinking that 250lb is a normal weight?Either they're insanely tall, on roids or fat.
>>76789093There are degrees of rightness in fitness. Israetel is close to the bottom. Saying so, doesn't mean the person who said it is at the top. So apparently you work smarter than Doctored Mike, and Solomon, so start a youtube channel.
>>76789833Usually just fat. They always massively underestimate their bodyfat percentage. All the time I see guys with monster guts, full blown tits and absolutely huge love handles swearing blind they're 15% bfdelusional fatties think they're a perfect weight when they could really lose 50lbs
>>76789777>>76789888 czeched
>>76789075Why does he look so big despite being under 170lbs?Is it really just lighting?
>>76789790You are delusional.
>>76789966You're short.
>>76789143What are his lifts, especially bench? All he ever shows are pullups
>>76789176Post your body right now.
>>76790025If he doesn't show the lifts, that probably means they're unimpressive. I bet he can bench 2pl8 probably 5-8 reps just from looking at him, which isn't a bad number by any means especially for 160lbs, but it's by no means impressive either
>>76789093they meant something else when they called you "big boy" while smirking and looking down at you
>>76790798Projecting much?
>>76789304I'd rather have solomon posting here than brown retarded faggots like you tbqh
>>76790108>I bet he can bench 2pl8 probably 5-8 reps just from looking at himFUCK that's me at 165. Unironically i can't bench more without gaining weight.
>>76791443Brutal trvthnvke, it's always brownoids who seethe about jews.
>>76789075While you were in the gym lifting man made metal up and down, they were studying at pubmd, while you were chasing vanity, they were scrutinizing mike israetel academic papers
>>76791443>>76791449Jews are brownoids themselves.
>>76789075solomon looks ok, despite his shit mischling jewish geneticslyle on the other than never looked good or had much in terms of strength, at least in part due to his shit west asian geneticsno matter what they do they won't look like bodybuilders, you should not base your training or dietary practises on what the most jacked steroid abusing genetic freaks tell you to do
>>76789176>>76789790https://streamable.com/n8w708
>>76791497Ok now post a video of what happens when you pit UFC heavyweight champion against flyweight.
>>76791497Jews aren't fighters.
>>76789075I don't know who is this Solomon dude, had to look him up. Jesus, is this board nowadays all based in discussing fit-tubers?Regardless, the man look very well for a mid-life dude. Go outside and take a look at your surroundings.MacDonald also looks ok for a man over 50yo. Same approach as before. I'm 47yo and all my friends have become fatasses.>>76789168Let me guess,...you need more, right?>>76789304>>76791485>>76791488>That jew Solomon is>Jews are>despite his shit mischling jewish genetics>at least in part due to his shit west asian geneticsFucking /poltards, seriously.
>>76789075DesertoidsI wouldn't call it evolution yet but there's a lot of growth mitigating genetics associated with desert people that tends to be much harder to breed out than breed in. They both should have just roided and left this academic nonsense in the shitter where it still resides despite their attempts to elevate it.
>>76791521>DesertoidsDo you really believe all that shit you just posted? LMAO.
>>76791533Yeah it overlaps almost inversely with precipitation with it being expressed more dramatically in less mobile populations
>>76789075How come mcdonald is even more dyel?
>>76791511t. jew
>>76791551consider that the northern people are smart and therefore have good nutrition
>>76791601When you "t." without greentexting it means you're referring to yourself, newfag
>>76789230Insane trookacola that roidtrannies refuse to drink
>>76791521Yes NELSON and MCDONALD are Arab names for sure
>>76791705A Jew and IranianBoth inbred as fuck desert people. It would take damn near Olympic breeding stock to get near average lifting genetics out of that. Lyle might have had a chance if he was a Turk.
>>76791724There’s no proof either are nonwhite
>>76791764>he needs proof
>>76791771I need proof that americans are less brown than jews.
>>76791771Hello mr mike, still butthurt about being humiliated by the goyim?
>>76791777Is it really so hard to believe there's a Jew you like?
>>76791724>It would take damn near Olympic breeding stock to get near average lifting genetics out of thatThey are not "genetically better", they just have more motivation and focus than you. Lifting weights isnt even so technical, you just need to have some patience and keep making small progress.
>>76789075Cause not everyone wants to chase being as big as possible constantly and fitness is more than just strength or body building? You realize those guys are REAL coaches, right? Not just retarded influencers who only work online & in a tiny section of the industry? Solomon & Lyle coach all kinds of athletes, not just body builders. Lyle has worked with a shit ton of D1 college kids in various sports.
>>76789176>victim weightThings fatties say>>76790096This. Being big just for the sake of being big means nothing.
>>76789220>you have no authority to speak on the topicYeah that's not how "authority" or credibility or knowledge exchange works dipshit. Whens the last time you saw a coach for any sport in nearly as good shape as the people he's coaching? Is it a bonus to show that you can apply the knowledge to yourself successfully, sure, but that's not the end all be all, and thinking it is, is why you're just a dipshit on 4chan who no one gives two fucks about.
>>76792288A lot of that is also genetics. There is literally a genetic predisposition to enjoying exercise. But the rest I agree with it's not hard for most people to see a lot of progress as natty even if they're old. Just the ceiling on that progress and it's rate is genetic.
>>76789777Trips of truth, it is, always has been.
>>76789075It's almost like there is more to being fit than gay obsession with hypertrophy
>>76792323So has Mark Rippetoe.
>>76792353They talk about hypertrophy all the time and solomon even tried presenting his back as "big"
>>76789085/thread
>>76789085This plus terrible genetics. Some nattys can look a lot better than these guys in just a few years of training if they go full balls to the walls - eat, train, sleep perfectlyA good friend of mine (I know him very well and know for a fact he was always natty/not lying about gear) mogged Solomon by the time he was 3 years in, and I personally witnessed him bench 315 x 6 and squat 405 x 10 - know for certain he wasn't BSing about his numbers. Guy obsessed over training, didn't even go out drinking while at university, never missed a day. but he was like 180 with visible abs before he even trained, genetics on another level, unlike Solomon who was just some nerd with average - below average genetics who took training just sort of seriouslybut then he eventually got a gf, had a kid and got fat as fuck, so I guess genetics aren't everything in the end
>>76791503fatty mad?>>76791506I know, but the argument here is whether or not 160lbs is "victim weight".Well, as it turns out, it isn't.A 260lb man got killed in a street fight by a 160lb man.>>76791511Bitch out some more.
>>76792865You tiny dick faggots do not realize that lifting/being big is not mutually exclusive with fighting. A 260 lbs fighter bodies a 160 lbs fighter every time.
>>76792686What kind of volume did your friend use?
>>76789939he has a small head
>>76792686How do you know they have bad genetic? I believe they are just scared to bulk hard. Thats how you grow better eventually.
>>76794637maybe grow fat lol
>>76794721>he doesnt know how to follow a diet
>>76789075Understanding it and doing it aren't the same thing. I understand how train to box at a competitive level, but the work I'm willing to put in has me setting a great pace and holding my own for 3 rounds and then being a slow sloppy mess for the rest of the day.
>>76794845But solomon loves to train and his diet is immaculate
>>76794976Stop posting here, manlet kike.
>>76794976>But solomon loves to train and his diet is immaculatewhat are his bench, dl and squat then?
>>767950398 reps of 100kg bench, about 200kg and 180kg dl and sq
>>76789075Lyle hated Jeets before it was trendy
>>76795556Holy troll
>>76789075his physique is peak casual natty + mid geneshes an academic."science based fitness" is just a hobby.if he was no-lifeing to get the most aesthetic body possible he would look betterbut also again for his mid genes, take a look through his insta.he just doesnt have the genes to get huge.
>>76791521>DesertoidsI wouldn't call it evolution yet but there's a lot of growth mitigating genetics associated with desert people that tends to be much harder to breed out than breed in. They both should have just roided and left this academic nonsense in the shitter where it still resides despite their attempts to elevate it.Litterally just crypto white american cope. If anything MENA is overepresented in body building considering their poverty, culture (they are far less likely to roid compared to the drug addled european), and low number in america. Nasser and Hadi are still world class body builders, and at least another half dozen who have top 1% physiques but weren't too famous
