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>DHT causes heard disease, Parkinson's, enlarged prostate, acne
is this true?
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>>76789550
No, you fell for the trannychud propaganda, it's ACK-SHILLY downstream cytokines, just like with balding.
>Association of 5α-Reductase Inhibitors With Dementia, Depression, and Suicide
>https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2799858
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>>76789550
nope, its the opposite, DHT and its metabolites are potent and important neurosteroids, this guy is an idiot
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Why do people on fin like to cope so hard and shill fin to everyone else who doesn't need it?
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>>76789802
Well op is a literal autistic shut-in with agp. I'm sure that has something to do with him shilling androgen blockers on a fitness board when he doesn't lift. Same dude who spams all the blacked shit and gaybait as well.
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I was on fin for a few years and in the final year it gave me chronic nerve pain in multiple places, some of them being my neck, both my hands, urethra and testicles all which lasted for months after stopping it.
I don't doubt that it may work indefinitely for some people, but to say it's "good" for you in any way other than retaining hair is absolutely retarded.
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>>76789795
androgens are toxic though
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>>76789795
/thread
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>>76789550
Why's Jerma in Dunc and why's he advertising Finasteride?
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>>76789995
>yeah bro some old Korean study found you can live to 71 chopping your balls off instead of 55 for matched controls
Kek, explain shit like this then...
>https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/1omfjpl/dog_testes_offer_clues_to_healthy_aging_and/
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>>76789857
Switch to topical
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>>76789795
DHT is toxic to cardiac tissue. The only downside to 5-AR blockers is the disruption to pregnanolone's conversion to allopregnanolone which can be easily mitigated with simply supplementing more pregnanolone or progesterone.

"Post finasteride syndrome" isn't some mystical woo woo without an explanation, like the DHT simp army online suggests. It has a chemical root problem that is very easily addressed
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>>76790564
Have you tried RU58841? I've been thinking of switching to topicals for a bit to allow my fin tolerance to reset
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>>76790653
No too risky for me, all my side effects from oral fin vanished using topical fin, everything is functioning normally.
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>>76790652
PFS straight up just isn't real. DHT levels are completely normal in men that supposedly have PFS. You know it's some made up psychosomatic shit when there's people that claim they got it just from handling finasteride pills(KEK).
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>>76789550
Finasteride the the best and most proven hair loss drug. The rest might as well be placebo/sugar in a pill.

As long as you're not going past 1mg like the literature suggests you'll be fine(retards regularly do 2-5mg and stop getting a boner)
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>>76789550
>bro your like own physiological processes are bad for your health, now buy this subscription drug and share the gospel
Yeah im thinken kill yourself, trannoid.
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>>76790703
Getting fat is a physiological process
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>>76790652
>DHT is toxic to cardiac tissue.
kek yeah sure it is
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>>76790674
That was me. Cant remember how many mg. Probably 5. Took months to recover
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>>76790652
>DHT is toxic to cardiac tissue.
>>76790724
>kek yeah sure it is

>Cardiovascular risks and elevation of serum DHT vary by route of testosterone administration: a systematic review and meta-analysis
>https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s12916-014-0211-5
But... it apparently also plays a role in heart regeneration...
>Dihydrotestosterone induces pro-angiogenic factors and assists homing of MSC into the cardiac tissue
>https://jme.bioscientifica.com/view/journals/jme/60/1/JME-17-0185.xml
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>>76790799
I take 1mg of finasteride every Wednesday and Saturday. My hair loss started at 17, I started finasteride at 19 and I am currently 26 and my hairline has stayed at the exact same point it was at 19
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>>76790952
Yea anon no offense but I searched "dht cardiac tissue" on Google Scholar before making my post. The studies you linked do not show what you said.
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>>76789550
DHT is more androgenic than any other form of Testosterone.

DHT:
>makes your dick grow
>makes your muscles grow
>makes your bones grow thicker
>makes you more hairy
>gives you lower voice
>makes you more agressive and assertive
Only retards would call this a trash hormone. No wonder your haircel guru behaves feminine in his videos. He already is limpdicked feminized subhuman, but he's too proud to admit that he fucked himself up.

What's the point of having hair if your dick is dead forever
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>>76791114
>>76789562
Pic related. Fin is a tranny drug.
>>76789795
True
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>>76791050
I take 1mg every day, my doctor told me to do this, am I fucked? Been on it for about 3 months now, no side effects at all
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A lot of anons, very likely christ tards, are arguing in this thread through their emotions and disregard actual facts and science
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>>76791437
Sorry, not everyone wants to have limp dick
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I am taking finasteride
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>>76791442
Are you also a christian? No other demographic on this site is consistently this low iq and emotional. You people fall for every right wing meme. Do you also eat raw meat and milk? Do you also sungaze? So stupid and it's the same people every time. You think you're based for doing these things, you're just unable of critical and independent thought. Christ cucks, raw tards, etc.
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>>76791523
No. I'm against all abrahamic filth, pseudo science and atheism. see >>76791114
>>76791123
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>>76791050
My hairline started receding at 17 but stopped about a year later and hasn't receded further in 20 years. I'm not arguing against fin but not all receding hairlines keep going
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>>76791529
But your entire post is not even pseudo science it's low IQ misinformation posted by raw tards and christians. If you're not christian or atheist are you then one of the pagan larping raw tards?
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>>76791523
I'm not a fundie or whatever this retard is>>76791529 but I would never take fin because even a minor chance of ED is a dealbreaker. I can always wear a wig or shave, I can't do the same for an erection
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>>76791544
Fin has a half life of less than 24h. Any effect it has is not permanent. That's why you take it every day. You're falling for meme. The pharmacology of the drug is very well understood at this point.
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>>76791437
>>76791523
This. It's the same archetype all the time
>muh christ is king
>vax bad
>natural ONLY (still spends all day on social media bullshitting and consooming overpriced "natural" bullshit)
>just slap eggs and oils on your hair to stop hair loss bro
>just eat raw liver to solve your acne bro
>just drink raw milk to grow taller bro
>just stare at the sun to fix your myopia bro
>any pharmaceuticals are le bad, supplements are le bad, sunscreen is le bad, any skin care that isn't "natural™" is le bad

It's like we're actually regressing as humans, people are becoming more caveman-like over time and doing things purely based on belief and superstition systems
And it's also weird how lots of the NPCs following this protocol are also "blackpilled", just what the fuck nigga, how can an entirely materialistic idea fit with the rest of the bullshit, and especially christianity? You look at blackpill videos and find some of the comments have some reference to christianity LOL. Where do those cognitive dissonant golems even come from
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>>76791582
>vax bad
How many boosters?
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>>76791599
Another meme retort. This is what i mean when i say these people are incapable of independent thought. He probably read this a few times here and now posts it with a smirk because it's the considered the based thing to say of his christ/raw tard in-group
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>>76789550
bullshit testosterone protects the heart into old age, base dosing has been proven to reduce heart disease in all case studies.
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>>76789550
Makes your penis limp
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>>76791599
You don't even know my opinions on the covid vax, you absolute tard. In my opinion the covid vax was rushed too fast in the moment (which is kinda understandable in a pandemic scenario), but you golems now think that every single vax is bad lmao, you literally don't vax you children at all because you think they're going to become autistic from it (bad news though, they're already autistic because they carry your genes)
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>>76789550
>heard disease
Imagine a hormone that makes you compulsively shit in Johnny Depp's bed.
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>>76789562
>https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2799858
Did you even read the abstract you fucking imbecile? Do you even know what "association" means?
Rhetorical questions of course, since you're obviously retarded.

>>76789795
>muh neurosteroids
Retard.

>>76789857
>start fin
>years later develop chronic nerve pain
>stop fin
>nerve pain persists
Yes, it must've been one of the scientifically unobserved and undocumented side effects of Fin that definitely exist outside of online PFS fear mongering, that's the most logical conclusion here. Retard.

>>76791114
Enjoy your bald head, retard.
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>>76791671
Okay tranny. The thing is, I have head full of thick hair without having to resort to tranny drugs.
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>>76791671
>yeah bro just nuke ur allopregnenalone with cartroon character drug...
>LERK AT MUEH PESRIDENTH, HE ISTH PEEK MEMTEL HEELTH RN N HE IS TROOM DREG!
>2025
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>>76791671
I'd rather be bald with a huge duck than a full head of hair and impotence/ED.
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>>76790652
The conversion from preg or prog to allopreg also depends on 5a reductase at some point.

It's unironically safer to pin test than take this shit.
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>>76791582
You've been brainwashed to believe that these are not the answers, but deep down, you know.

This has nothing to do with Christ, it has everything to do with the godlike naturalistic power called intuition that you were born with, the one still deep inside of you, but you're free to go along with capitalism's brainwashing and believe that you really do need all these things, when the real solution is natural, not artificial, it's less not more.

Return to nature lost child.
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>>76789550
Enlarged prostate and DHT is a real thing.
The prostate slowly grows from androgens and DHT is the most androgenic hormone.
Acne is also kinda true

Kevin is a vegan, liberal, cousin-fucking lolcow but some of his arguments for Finasteride/against DHT are legit.

t. took Finasteride from 2022-2024 when I was paranoid about hair shedding, no longer taking it because I realized I was paranoid and wasn’t actually balding
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Androgenetic alopecia is entirely genetic btw, just edit your genes so you won't go bald lul
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>>76789550
DHT has little function in the human body and where it's needed neither of the two 5ar inhibitors on the market will affect it.
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>>76792646
>little function in the human body
see>>76790952 regenerating your heart isn't exactly "little" but the bigger issue with the troon drugs is decraesing the neurosteroid allopregnenalone which is why they make you derpy moreso than low DHT.
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>>76792657
Finasteride doesn't act on the ar5 type 2 enzyme which is the one actually present in the brain, take that instead of dut if it'a such a worry
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>>76792657
>drugs is decraesing the neurosteroid allopregnenalone
MUH RAT STUDY
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>>76792720
>Finasteride doesn't act on the ar5 type 2 enzyme which is the one actually present in the brain, take that instead of dut if it'a such a worry
>>76792767
>MUH RAT STUDY
Kektus, no there is more than just rat studies according to like 15 seconds on Goolge Scholar...
>5α-Reductase Inhibition Prevents the Luteal Phase Increase in Plasma Allopregnanolone Levels and Mitigates Symptoms in Women with Premenstrual Dysphoric Disorder
>https://www.nature.com/articles/npp2015246
>Suicidality Risks Associated with Finasteride, a 5-Alpha Reductase Inhibitor: An Evaluation of Real-World Data from the FDA Adverse Event Reports
>https://www.mdpi.com/1424-8247/18/7/957
>Gut Inflammation Induced by Finasteride Withdrawal: Therapeutic Effect of Allopregnanolone in Adult Male Rats
>https://www.mdpi.com/2218-273X/12/11/1567
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>>76792720
>>76792767
It does reduce gaba and increase anxiety orally
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>>76792788
All of those have PFS subjects of study.
So instead of having crap that's worthless let's stick to the rat studies. The dosage was too large for them so it affected their brains.
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>>76792827
Notice it's one Italian team and mr thaibah conducting these studies on people reporting 'post finasteride syndrome', which doesn't exist.
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>>76792796
Side effects are extremely rare like in all medications.
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>>76792869
I don't if it's a rare side effect or just commonly ignored but it's possible that different people have different mental side effects as a result of a different BBB genetically, i don't know, all i know is how it was for me, i don't believe in a PFS syndrome but i believe in side effects temporary or permanent most seem temporary but it depends how long you were on it
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>>76790662
DHT levels in the blood are normal neurosteroids in cerebral spinal fluid are altered:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23890183/
Also, the 5ar gene has been altered in PFS patients: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6652249/
Keep thinking you know everything though dipshit
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>>76791638
Except every single study that compares children who received vaccines vs. didn't receive vaccines the children who didn't receive vaccines are much healthier with way less chronic illnesses like in the Ford Study. The Ford Study was so bad for the pro vaccine crowd that they didn't want to publish the results. Have fun with your mercury and heavy metals though bro.
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>>76792827
You're literally a nigger who sucks off Kevin Mann. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25961201/
Finasteride and dutasteride both inhibit 5ar type 3 which is found in the skin, brain.
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Kevin Mann is a self hating white who was bullied as a teen and sniffed his sister's underwear. He pushes tranny drugs because he's a faggot. https://edramatica.com/Kevin_Mann

Also his brother touches his little kids
https://www.wave3.com/story/24213914/father-accused-of-forcing-son-to-take-sleeping-pill-sending-him-to-hospital/

Kevin buy an ad you faggot
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>>76791114
Wrong on all accounts and we have controlled studies and natural cases proving otherwise
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>>76792796
>>76792657
Now how exactly would that work when DHT is a para/intracrine hormone and dut doesn't cross the BBB? If anything, dutasteride increases allopregnanolone (muh neurosteroids), but I'll let you discover how on your own
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>>76789550
Retards harp on about muh troons. Any trannies who actually use fin?
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>>76793120
I was talking about finasteride, also it isn't like the allopreg side effects is the only ones you could get, you could simply get gyno or high estrogenic symptoms or androgen deprivation symptoms like with your penis
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muhhhh neurosterooooooooooids
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>>76793211
No troons don't use it because their T is already suppressed
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>>76793211
No, tards see the word "testosterone" attached to DHT and assume you're inhibiting something important post-puberty, even though testosterone, your primary sex hormone, actually slightly increases from inhibiting 5AR
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>>76792549
You really have to get a basic understanding of mathematical probability to see that human intuition is deeply flawed but i don't expect a christ/raw tard to be literate enough for this realization to occur
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>>76794411
>tards
>inhibiting something important post-puberty
>doesn't explain >>76790952
So nuking ur heart regeneration capabilities without even f'n touching the CXCL12/CXCR4 axis is somehow the only non-tard move here?
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>>76789550
Just take chlorine dioxide CDS. No trooning or negative side effects.
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>>76794484
Maybe yours, but that's due to how tainted by the artificial world and all the lies you've been told.

But deep down you still know, and that's why you respond so defensively and angrily.
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>>76794811
You're an actual real life dunning kruger case there's no hope for people like you. Barely any more sentient than an animal. You're destined to be an NPC religion tard.
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>>76794488
Never heard anyone talk avout this before, sounds like bullshit, evidence ?
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>>76789562
maybe try lifting
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>>76794488
>>76794973
its in vitro, aka bullshit, not even animal model evidence
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>>76794893
Who seems the most conscious in this discussion? I would say, it's probably not the one responding bitterly and emotionally.

On the contrary I still believe there is hope for you, don't give up yet.
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Is Kev actually posting in this thread kek
Thanks for saving my hair bro
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>>76791638
>You don't even know my opinions
>Rest of his post is seething thrashing at strawman arguments he made up in his head
Holy mental illness batman



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