Explain the difference between Full body vs PPL 3 days a weekI dont understand the fuss about FB and why PPL is demonized when boiled down they're both almost the same
>>76799267PPL is six days. One day some retard thought it was three because there are three letters. Training a muscle once a week is horrendously suboptimal. You'll get six months gains in a year.
>>76799274Rest is more important
>>76799267Most research shows that hitting a muscle 2x per week is better than 1x per week, so if you can only go 3x per week full body makes more sense, if you can go 6x per week then ppl makes more sense.
>>76799274You're a very limited person FB can be 2 days because it's 2 letters and could be 7 days a week because it has the word full what difference does it make if you're consistent and train hard.The point is, give me the actual reason why training the muscle twice a week on fullbody is magically superior to once a week on ppl but with more volume/intensity according to the average gymbro
>>76799267PPL is usually pplpplx or more sensibly pplxpplx.Why it's demonized is because one of the most common issues with lifters is shoulders and elbow injuries. For most lifters it's just a matter of time. When you train movments that utilize the shoulder not just consecutive days but 4 days (or 6 if you do deadlift on leg day) a week those issues pop up sooner since there is not adequate recovery time for the shoulder girdle. Same can be said for elbow but it's slightly less common and tends to heal easier.Fullbody is much less problem prone and isn't going to be as restrictive on exercise selection to mitigate the aforementioned issues. The problem with fullbodies is they usually don't get enough time to do as many accessory lifts for things like arms. Which is easily mitigated by turning the middle day into a accessory day. Since these muscles are all getting at least indirect work during the normal days it's unlikely they'll fall off at all between weeks.
>>76799287>give me the actual reason why training the muscle twice a week on fullbody is magically superior to once a week on pplIf you do the same volume that would be effective 2 days on one day you're just causing damage, it's not more training, and you only need 3 days max to recover from an effective workout. 3-day PPL is like 1x full body. Instead of constant gains you're detraining 3 days a week.>You're a very limited personSays the dimwit.>FB can be 2 days because it's 2 letters and could be 7 days a week Yeah, it can, that's why people specify how many days they're talking about.
>>76799308This can be simply solved by PxLxPxPxxLxPxP
I do ULU, 3 days a week, cardio on 2 days. Best gains of my life for upper, and actually pretty good gains lower too. If you want results with less days and lower isn't a huge priority, I think this is the way.
>>76799322Well then you're back down to 1 a week frequency which is the issue with bro splits.I think upper/lower is really ideal but front/back can work before then. Since on U/L you're getting 5 days of shoulder rest a week and at least 3 days between when it was last hit. Front/back is 3 days of shoulder rest but working it consecutively so some caution would be taken usually in the form of avoiding pressing and just isolating the shoulder.
>>76799333so you do UCLCUxx?
>>76799267PPL involves training your full body twice a week while going to the gym 6 times, FB involves training your full body 3 times a week while going to the gym 3 times. I.e, FB is more gains for less effort. Hope this helps.
>>76799346>you're back down to 1 a week frequency which is the issue with bro splits.I believe most of these issues could be solved with HIT regardless of the volume/frequency split
>>76799369Correct. And full disclosure, the first U is more push with some pull, the second is more pull with some push, and the L is alternating diddlies and squats from week to week. L used to include abs, but now it is also arms day and abs got moved to U because arms are the most important part of the lower body.
Bot thread, did no one notice the outrageous captions on OP picture ?
>>76799308Seems easiest way to solve this is just do 6 day PPL and skip exercises for the first 2-3 months if your shoulders are being strained. No matter what you do you have to use them to build them to the point where they can endure heavy exercise.
>>76799398Almost all the threads are bot threads nowadays. 4chan makes its money on ad revenue and cycling fresh threads keeps engagement up.None of that means we can't have a nice little discussion if we like the topic. This isn't reddit, we're not giving away karma to a botfarm.
>>76799381HIT is too vague. 2 press 2 pull 2 push is probably enough to damage your shoulder if you're doing a lot of that heavy and consecutive days. Time is less negotiable to joint and connective tissue recovery than acute volumes.
>>76799406Or you could just hop on a more coherent routine strap in and actually get the work done in 4 days 2 if fullbodies and not risk losing ~20-30 lbs on a bunch of lifts.
>>76799398>doesn't have ankle-quads or abs on his pecs>definitely is NOT going to make it.
>>76799422>HIT is too vague. 2 press 2 pull 2 push is probably enough to damage your shoulder if you're doing a lot of that heavy and consecutive days. Time is less negotiable to joint and connective tissue recovery than acute volumes.Did 6-7 days a week for almost two years and never got a real shoulder injury. Tweaked a delt I think, maybe some bicep tendon tenderness. Nothing chronic. Always did face pulls.
PPL 3 days a week is enough if you're not a roidtranny and don't have a whole restaurant and pharmacy up your ass making sure your diet is perfect like top athletes do.
>>76799810You can actually get away with it on roids. You have to bully muscle to get jacked natty.>enoughNever lifting is enough for a lot of people. It isn't optimal.
>>76799830Post body and then we will talk about optimal.
Push/squatRestPull/DLRepeat
>>76799392how many pull exercises total do you do in a week?if arms are on lower, is it enough for you if you do them just once a week?
>>76799333>I do ULU, 3 days a weekI'm thinking of switching to this when I start my cut. Never had trpuble putting on mass or maintaining it on my lower body. But the upper is a bit lacking.
>>76799267full body - maintainppl - shorter time, focused hit for more specified growthi wouldn't do ppl for 3 days a week. i would do it for 6 days a week. if you wanna do 3 days a week, full body may be better. it's also up to how you design your routine. doesn't sound like ur building ur body seriously anyway. do whateva
>>76799308I actually did get my shoulder injured in pplpplx and now am currently going through painstaking shoulder rehab work.Really confused on what routine to try once I jump back into the fold since I definitely have to lessen the weekly stress on my shoulder without cucking my shoulder and arm gains
>>76802674U/L 4xweek with enough rest days between each U or L is the sweet spot for size and strength gains for natties.
>>76799392So Torso/Limbs then
>>76799274>Training a muscle once a week is horrendously suboptimal.It's really not.>>76799287>give me the actual reason why training the muscle twice a week on fullbody is magically superior to once a week on pplIt's not. It depends.
