is BJJ a real sport? does it work on the streets?
>>76799501It's gay>Does it work1 on 1, sure
>>76799501is striking not allowed?taekwondo has a similar issue where girls will just inch forward with their leg up
>>76799501>does it work on the streets?Only if its 1 on 1. Anywhere else you are going to get stomped out while you going for a submission. I forget who but i remember 1 mma say if you're getting jumped by multiple people and cant get away to take at least 1 guy down with your head buried in their arm or something so that at least you wont get knocked out and hit with no resistance. You still get fucked up but less head trauma i guess
>>76799501It's the same as crosshit, meme sport for people with mediocre genetics who would never make it as athletes in any serious sport but enough daddy money and willpower and insecurity to roid and train x years to compete and get a mickey mouse trophy
>>76799501>>76799543There's no striking, just grappling.It's a sport, but there's a reason BJJ matches are controlled like this and you rarely see it in street fights. Judo throws are probably more common in fights.
>>76799501Anything works if you're stronger than your opponent
>>76799501I wish striking practice be done without brain damage.You can train on a bag but human heads move differently.
>>76799501>is BJJ a real sport?Pic related and Joe Rogan, both walking stacks of manlet play-dohs, are bjj black belts, that's all i needed to know to stick with kickboxing.
>>76799501>OUTTA MY WAY YOU FLOOR-ROLLING SHIT
>>76799501BJJ was given such an advantage in early UFCs with its clearly one-sided hand-picked competition to make Gracie look good, and then later on when unified rules made kicking and kneeing and stomping and 12-6 elbows illegal.And then even with those rules that favor floor hugging aka BJJ, it still got smashed to bits by anyone with a half-decent background in any other sort of grappling whether it's american wrasslin or chechnyan sambo.Georges Saint Pierre was originally a Karate fighter but his most dominating years was him simply taking people down to the ground and laying on top of them, and then simply standing up if there was a triangle or arm bar being set up.
>>76799698what if i'm faster?
>>76799704use a watermelon?
>>76799742>but his most dominating years was him simply taking people down to the ground and laying on top of themi'd like to do that with a lady
>>76800021Less things will work
>>76799501Its a good counter to wrestling I guess in a 1v1. >youre nuts just never learn to fight Ok wow now i feel even more masculine now that i have a tactical purse and fashion in case someone i could never ever beat comes along because they must be on steroids.>applies lipstickAs i was saying the absolute gall of some people to even practice martial arts what absolute->fixes bra and pantsmorons they have a loose grip on reality at best and are always doing stupid shit when thats just not the way the world works at all.
>>76799706>800 meters in more than 5 minutes>1,5 m jump>Frankenstein walk, even before taking an axe to the back>gassed out after a single set of bench pressI still don't get it, I really don't
>>76799541Anderson silva mainly did muay thai and bjj, but idk if thats gonna work so well on brock without a little more power since he can actually close the distance and oneshot. Or ngannou, jones, etc grappling gets more restricted the better and stronger your opponent is.
>>76799501Ten years of martial arts experience here, short answer is yes, it does work, in fact it excels on bad defensive situations, if you are losing or the guy is larger, the entire sport revolves around reversing from a bad position, to the point most guys are comfortable from the bottom, leading into that whole BJJ guys laying on the ground meme. Of course you do learn a lot of takedown techniques.
>>76800141>Approached by a wild pack of niggers>Lay on the ground ala faggot bjj style>Tyrone, Deshawn and Le'Quarius kick your head into the concreteYes, I can see how it excels in bad defensive situations
>>76800175First rule of self defense is "don't be there". If you can't avoid niggers then you don't need to learn a martial art, you need to improve your social-economic status.
BJJ beyond a blue belt is countering other BJJ guys, this is why it gets meta like the added file
>>76800313This is a stupid catch 22 argument, because a nigger is the only thing that will attack you. You don't need to have professional fighting experience period if you don't live around nogs. If you do live around them, however, BJJ doesn't mean shit and won't help you anyways, because of reasons like the post you quoted.
It's extremely advanced. It has its own ruleset and becomes very weird at the advanced stages. Especially at the division you're seeing.
>>76799501This is jeet kun do anon, as evident by the jeets trying to slapfight very ineffectively
>>76799501>is BJJ a real sport?Yes, but it's a lame sport due to rulings.>does it work on the streets?Against an inexperienced fighters or anybody that doesn't have a BJJ background, sure. Try BBJ in the streets against a mma fighter and you are going to have a hard time. There's no rules protecting you in a street fight. BJJ is still effective, but now you have a lot more careful.
>>76800448what are the biggest problems in using BJJ in the street compared with a ring? is getting your arm or neck bitten off an issue, or overhyped?
>>76800460>what are the biggest problems in using BJJ in the street compared with a ring?NTA but beyond the immediacy of falling on your back in a nice padded ring vs falling on your back on a cement or concrete surface, there's also all the silly modern MMA rules that protect BJJ bottoms from getting soccer kicked & stomped or even kneed in the face should they be touching the ground.and then in streets fights, even if you land on top you now have to worry about his friends o random tough guy wanting to get inolved running up on you to break a bar stool over your head or stab you or something.Best thing in a street fight is to knock someone down and run away. You ideally don't want to be rolling on the ground even if you're on top of someone.
>>76800460getting your head stomped in bc you chose to pull guard. or getting your head stomped in by your opponents friend
>>76800361I dunno bro its a hobby. You don't have to use a gun you bought either.
>>76800175I'm using your retarded post to show how effective bjj is. Here's some videos for anyone interested.https://youtu.be/6fnJVUjvqvchttps://youtu.be/TXYAVfravYI https://youtube.com/shorts/rbFnW-K-mZAhttps://youtube.com/shorts/GvqGUAQxiS4
>>76799501It is and it does work but its still gay.
>>76799501is football a real sport? does it work on the streets?
>>76799706joe rogan also does taekwondo, muay thai and kickboxing
>>76800687Yes, I've seen many kids successfully play football in the street.
>>76800313You’re a literal fucking retard. Here I’ll fill you guys in>purple belt in bjj>boxed all my life>old fag now 32 18-21 I fought mma all over>shitload of street fights >no I have not won every fightIf the opponent is drunk bjj is hella useful. I was wasted and was brawling someone and they just kept hugging me on ground. I was dying laughing whole time so it wasn’t really a fight and when I stood up I just pinged his head in. If you know only bjj and you think you can close the distance quick and do what you have to (keep in mind you can’t really shoot on concrete) you’ll be fine. But if you only do bjj and you fear getting hit it’s going to be BAD if the other person has any striking ability. Works decent in the cage where there’s no head stomps, groin strikes, padded gloves, etc. in a street fight it will help but it’s not an end all. You’re better off boxing honestly. >>76800564Also watch the fight he was handling Gracie very well and the Gracie’s put like 30 rules on the guy “uhh no headbutts” “uhh no kicks that way” they’re fucking Weeners why they got booty blasted in pride so badly. Perfect for street fighting:Judo and boxing you’ll literally take out 99.9% of people.
>>76800849>You’re better off boxing honestly.I agree, I have 8 years of boxing. You are massive poser tho, this made up scenario where the BJJ guy laying down gets groin or head smash and folds, simply doesn't happen on a real life grappling, to even assume that's how BJJ guys fight is crazy. Don't believe me? Watch old school Gracie dojo storms where they would go to karate gyms and beat those guys up, on hard floors. They close up the distance and at that point its very difficult to hit a guy with no space, you should know that if you fought a lot.
>>76800556Sure, you just were trying to allude to it being a street fight tool of some kind
>>76800888I’ve had guard pulled on me. I used head butts. Guard ended. I’ve been in wayyyy more fights than you man I was doing this shit when pride was on tv lol. Grappling is fucking gay and not useful man. You’re dreaming. Watch any pride event ever.>sprawl>soccer kicks>pull guard >headbuttsLike this isn’t rocket science little zoomer better pack a zyn before I come shave your broccoli top
>>76800888The Gracie’s were all homos who had gay buttsex together and used jiu jitsu as an excuse for it. They’d literally “storm dojos” I haven’t seen any video. And then they’d make rules up for the fight.>AS REAL AS IT GETS IF ITS IN MY RULE BASE
>>76800948Ignore this dweeb same as >>76800888You can tell they’re sweeter than a pussy dipped in whipped cream just like the Gracie clan
>>76800977>You’re dreaming. Watch any pride event ever.For me it's the Emelianenko vs Nogueira trilogy
>>76801000Loved those fights. Some good ones involving bjj vs strikerEdson Carvalho vs Igor VovchanchynGomi vs Ralph GracieAbsolutely annihilated after Gracie’s couldn’t put rules in
>>76800687>>76800835It's called the 'hood.
>>76799501Bjj is a huge counter to all other grappling, but if youre only good at bjj good luck getting someone on the ground or not getting kod especially in a street fight. Kind of the lamest one trick pony martial art imo but also one of the super high skill cieling ones.
>>76799501Looks like that time at my high school they had a talent show and one of the retards slipped his wrangler and started dancing in the middle of the gym floor.
>>76800564woah he beat up some fat fuck fake wrestler who's best known fight was getting G&P'd for 8 minutes straight? real impressive
>>76799501Anything not boxing, muay thai, kickboxing or wrestling and judo is worthless. Fuck the ufc for cucking to the gracie faggots and enabling them, and fuck them for popularizing this worthless aggressive cuddling and rolling on the floor with sweaty men.
>>76799706Same phenotype as Alex Karp
>>76799723>>76799706>>76799501No thanks with your copes, I'm just going to stick with 2 gun thanks!
Mikey does this retarding hopping shit because of rulesets that do not permit pulling guard. If he's hopping on one leg and ends up on the floor due to his opponent touching him and off-balancing him, it goes down as a takedown for the opponent but crucially Mikey can now start every reset from the ground because that's where his opponent put him after the 'takedown'. Gordon did a similar thing against Nicky Rod where he gave him his leg and Nicky took the bait. Now the fight is on the ground, Nicky's wrestling experience is neutralised 5 seconds into the fight and Gordon melts him:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpJ_YUIu_L8&t=4m49s
>>76799501BJJ works one on one and also gets you used to handling pressure and conserving energy. If someone takes you down unexpectedly I think BJJ is great to know, i.e stay calm, don't gas, turn around quickly and get him in guard and try to sweep or sub On the street? Look at KOTS fights. It's more rare but can save you from getting destroyed if you're on bottom. Vs multiple opponents? Lol
>>76799554And what trophys do you have?
>>76800460Start doing backwards rolls/crawling around on concrete vs a mat and you'll immediately see why
>>76800849>you cant shoot on concreteYou can still jab cross, level change grab their leg you don't need to drop down on your knee and slide like a wrestler
>>76799501bjj is dumb bc i tried out a free trial and the senseis were being catty bitches laughing from the side whenever i demonstrated the technique they'd just taught me and were like oooh real fighter and said stupid shit like white belt rage anytime i went faster than half speed...i play rugby and basketball and controlled quickness is the name of the game in both
>>76802554ngl i got anime club vibes, maybe it's just the one gym
>>76800361You're right and it boils down to getting a CC permit and learn your local laws for using a firearm for self defense. Ideally you will live somewhere where you can avoid the joggers.
>>76800132>shitting on one of the most recognizable and respected faces of fitness industryWhat have you accomplished? Post body. Oh wait, you won't.
>>76802591he is famous because people love to hate him, not respect him, he is like the Piers Morgan of fitness
>>76802554>controlled quickness>i was too fast for themYou are definitely a tryhard beginner.
>>76802597>not respect himIf it was someone like arnold, everyone respects him. Nobody respects a guy who does steroids and is fat as shit
>>76799723many such moves are banned and this is why UFC has only leghumper champions, sad.
>>76802622i think it's fair that this avoid people getting turned retarded, but it's a bit crazy to call those rules real MMA, when you could do different rules that would benefit different fighting styles
>>76802613trying is good actually
>>76799501I have a Kyokushin background. Honestly, for "the streets" learn Judo and Boxing.
>>76800460One on one with no weapons there's no real issue, the problem is when you start adding factors that are likely to happen in a street fight.If he has friends or someone doesn't like what you're doing you are getting stomp like a roach.If he has a weapon you could in theory control their arm but is better to knock them out before they pull their weapon.If there's multiple opponents you're beyond fucked.If you go for a takedown there's a chance you hit your own head on the concrete.In a street fight you should aim to end the fight as quickly as possible to get out as quickly as possible, bjj takes too long.
It's a fake useless sport. T. Guy who's never been in a fight
What do you think the 6 most effective martial arts? Boxing, Brazilian_Jiu-Jitsu, Judo, Kickboxing, Muay_Thai, and Wrestling seems like it would make you the most well-rounded fighter. Taekwondo seems like a meme.
>>76799723The guy doing the stomping is a BJJ black belt though
>>76799742GSP is also a BJJ black belt and would do his walkouts in a gi
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>>76803049that's his karate black belt, do you see his divine wind headband? JAPAN not BRASIL
>>76803049MMA fighters get BJJ black belts for winning fights, it's a marketing gimmick for the fighter, the gym and by extension the martial art>giA karate gi, because he was a karate nerd
>>76802896Wrestling does not make you the most well rounded fighter. TKD is good for children as an entry to martial arts. Every TKD person I have ever trained with had amazing kicks and striking overall. Everyone seems to forget that UFC has rules that favor grappling, which is why it wrestling is so dominant in it.MT with clinch is the best martial art to learn. Elbows and knees are brutal.
>>76803060I mean GSP also was coached by Danaher, so he likely does have a legit bjj black belt. Unless you're saying John needed a marketing gimmick
>>76803073Have you ever heard of Lethwei? It seems like Muay Thai but with headbutts. It only seems popular in Wyoming insofar as the United States.
>>76803082Lethwei is a meme. Headbutts don't need to be trained, it's intuitive. CTE city. It's literally ancient MT. I would be wary of any gym pretending to be a lethwei gym.
>>76803075That's fairDanaher is a weird dude but the kind of autist you want training you I guess
>>76799501Its funny how serious these guys take jiu jitsu but then they make it look like a fuckin joke
>>76803060>>76803054Look at the cut on it. It’s a Hayabusa BJJ gi>>76803060He trained at Renzo’s with Danaher. He’s a legit BB
>>76799704>>76800027this may sound like a fag cope, but is it possible to train striking and evading with something like a VR headset? Where i live there is no boxing gym so i wonder if its better than nothing or in the contrary it could create some bad habits
>>76800981>>76800994If you really think they are sweet, I am afraid you fell for their non-threatening image they cultivated for the white-upper class American market. They used to be a bunch of asshole bastards, doing whatever it takes to promote your style is sadly the way things are, you can be honorable later when you made it. for >>76800977 if you can headbutt from a guard, you are not on a guard. You never practiced any for of wrestling or you wouldn't be saying this silly shit. I am an unc btw.
>>76803259>is it possible to train striking and evading with something like a VR headset?You can train striking without a VR headset. You can't train slipping a punch with a VR headset.
>>76803091psychopath not autist, but yeah
>>76803115nope, thats not a bjj gi, thats a karate gi. you can tell by the shorter sleeves. normal sleeves = bjj, large normal length sleeves is judo.
>>76803049>>76803075>>76803115no one would ever describe GSP's fighting style as BJJ.To this day he's still out at the montreal wrestling club.
>>76803320Yeah now that I look at it you’re right.However I stick by my point which is GSP absolutely studied BJJ to the black belt level, and furthermore, BJJ is definitely something you need for MMA
>>76803431for sure, I mean GSP coaching staff includes Danaher and Faraz Zahabi
>>76799501buh jay jay sisters... they're making fun of us again...
>>76800564Rickson so shamelessly ducked Saku that he fucking retired instead of fighting him. He also refused to fight in the pride openweight tournament against vovchanchyn and the rest of the actually good fighters because he’d rather fight bums. Never bring up this shameless ducking faggot again.
>>76803050T. Virgin
>>76802622Yet surely every single BJJ guy would have been stomped out in pride or early UFC if it doesn't work???Oh wait, you can't just stomp someone out when they tangle your leg up/up kick your face
>>76804007Its meaningless to explain that stuff to someone that never trained grappling of any kind. They figure its something out of a movie where they touch the guy's eye, he instantly release and get stomped once and pass out. Bas explained that shit for dummies 20 years ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT3g51f25qo
>>76804022retard alertthere is no stomping because it's against the rules in UFC. same reason why there are no grounded knees to the head.also there are barely any high level BJJ guys in UFC
>>76804230We are talking about Pride and early UFC, it was allowed. Besides there's no BJJ guys now, they used to dominate before the musies.
>>76804283Early early UFC was a clown show that was barely one step above pro wrestling where they would intentionally pick D-tier retired sumo wrestlers and literal who boxers as well as retards in make-believe 15th degree black belts in self-taught garage karate to make Gracie look good.I wouldn't be surprised if fighters were paid to throw fights.
>>76804283>there's no BJJ guys now, they used to dominate before the musies.There was maybe BJ Penn for a minute but otherwise GSP grew up learning Karate and later adopted wrestling as his main style. Anderson Silva had a black belt but he was a striker's striker.Jon Jones was equal parts striker and grappler with a college wrestling background.
>>76800175>>76800313>>76800361Is this some kinda fetish for you guys?
>>76800849>Judo and boxing you’ll literally take out 99.9% of people.Yes, let's take the sport where 99% of takedowns won't work if your opponent is wearing a sleeveless shirt.
>>76804526You know how I know you don’t know what you’re talking about?
>>76804007https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj3H4aXxAvQAlmost all of the cases of kicks/stomps to the head of a grounded opponent the recipient is already exhausted or rocked and a TKO should be called. This is because pride had very poor refereeing and they were far too late to call a TKO. Very few of them came when someone was still intelligently defending themselves. If you're in guard and you're intelligently defending yourself then you should be able to use your feet on their torso almost always to prevent it, but occasionally it slips through. Watch the video if you don't believe me.Knees are different, but you need to know ground grappling to do them, because they usually come from a sprawl, side control, north south and occasionally a side turtle. And if you're on the receiving end you need to know ground grappling to prevent them.
>>76800021strength is mass times speed you fucking retard.
>>76805624that's momentum, not strength, strength is mass times acceleration, you haven't opened a physics book in 20 years
>>76799501>Ugly Faggot Club: Blow Job Job EditionHuman papillomavirus infection is a competition now? Did Dr. Mike ever fix the ear wart from that shit?>inb4 Dr. Pig meme about immigration enforcement problems
>>76802597>he is famous because people love to hate him, not respect him, he is like the Piers Morgan of fitnessWhat have you accomplished? Post body. Oh wait, you won't.
>>76805698>What have you accomplished?i'm 6'3"
>>76805783>taking credit for things you had nothing to do withWhat a jewish thing to do
>>76805930>things you had nothing to do withwhat do you mean? it's my literal body i grew myself
Hitler said chuddies should learn boxing and jiu-jitsu in Mein Kampf, instead of LARPing as soldiers.
>>76805952pretty sure they were using artillery and rifles in ww2, not jewjitsu
>>76805977His point was that you can be taught to use the exact equipment that you will be using in war in a few months if shit hits the fan so it is pointless to LARP, so just focus on staying fit and ready. He was a ww1 vet so he would know.
>>76805995not everybody can be Hitler, we are not all great men
>>76805995yeah bullshit. training to military standards are ass. its made for literal retarded fat normies to be able to pass. the reason the gun training makes people seethe so much is that for a long time it was only high level military/feds/swat that got to practice shooting/small unit tactics/cqb. the better you are at these things the better you are off in general.there are whole businesses revolved around training people to pass t1 selection now. it's not pointless to larp. If you only can use military assets to the standard you are fucked and are cannon fodder.
>>76807071Even during the war underage wehrmacht soldiers received enough training to become elite and directly promote to unteroffizier if they were lucky and chose to apply what they had learned. Contrary to Jewish propaganda there was no cannon fodder.
>>76807218really? how'd that work out for the nazis? did they win?also clearly there has been a few changes in warfare since WW1 & WW2it's a psyop to not train, militias are healthy for the republic.
>>76799501Grappling is the oldest and most evolved form of fighting you can learn without a weapon. Every culture with any sort of martial history on Earth has a version of competitive wrestling for a reason. The Japanese developed jujutsu (unarmed grappling) because even with their spears, armor, and swords, they understood the importance of being able to kill someone when you're disarmed or too close to use a weapon, and also how deeply primal grappling is and the fact it can teach gameness.The reason BJJ has succeeded where most other arts fail is complicated; it's not the absolute best combat sport (boxing or Judo are better), but it is the best for most people who can't fight. You cannot take someone who is a zero and make them a hero by putting them in kung fu or aikido or any traditional Ninja bs. Only a competitive combat sport can do that and BJJ is the safest of these to practice into old age. Take for example Judo. It's a young man's sport and kids die every year in Japan from brain and spinal injuries training Judo.Boxing and MT might be better for taking someone tough and turning them into a knockout sniper, but at the cost of probable permanent damage to your brain - the most important organ you have, which houses your entire intellect and personality. You have a much lower chance of developing CTE when your main focus is groundfighting.Wrestlers will smoke pure BJJ guys **if the wrestlers learn submissions** but that's a big if. I have choked out the local wrestling coach as a shitty blue belt because he didn't know what a triangle was. And he was bigger and stronger than me. Submissions are that powerful.BJJ is the sweet spot that offers a low bar of entry, longevity of practice, teaches gameness even to small or weak people who otherwise cannot fight at all.Knowing what to do trumps everything else in a fight. Period. BJJ is not the only path to this knowledge but it's by far the most accessible and open source.
>>76807398>This is what homosexuals actually believe
>>76799501bjj is cool and all but this highlight video makes it look gay as shit
>>76807398Very high IQ post
>>76807398This is a very elaborate way of saying you love sniffing balls
>>76807398>Take for example Judo. It's a young man's sport and kids die every year in Japan from brain and spinal injuries training Judo.Source?
>>76807768kengan ashura
>>76799666its been around for all these years and theres still only like 15 videos of it in existence being used outside of sport. and half of them were drunk or homeless guys.
>>76807920Just like there's like 4 videos of trained boxers knocking someone out
bjj is obviously the best for self defense
>>76808351also if you use boxing/muay thai in real life, you’re going to jail lol
>>76805653So I'm not the only one who reads it as blow job job.
