>>76801234
you need to replace it with a harder addiction, like BBC BNWO porn

>>76801235
I’m already addicted to femdom

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>>76801240
Based

>>76801234
You're supposed to use that free time to find a purpose in life (money/family/women/some other hobby)

>>76801240
have one sew your butthole close. That will keep your mind off drugs

>>76801234
Sounds probably like supplement skill issues. I eat dozens of pills a day, none of which are controlled substances, and feel gr8 lmao.

>>76801271
A typical day for me would be 1-2 bars of Xanax during work to kill the boredom. Then another 3-4 bars when I got home to kickstart my chill out time. After that I’d take 100-200mg of Tramadol with 4-6 beers to really get going.

>>76801247
Sounds miserable.

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>>76801271
>I eat dozens of pills a day, none of which are controlled substances

>>76801234
What made you quit, sweetie?

>>76801308
Supposedly it's meant to bring satisfaction and happiness in the long term, as opposed to drugs and alcohol who only do it in the short term and in the long term you are absolutely fucked.
There's a reason hedonism is considered bad

>>76801308
OH it it is man it is. People who say it's not miserable are fucking LYING. Quitting all the bad shit is just the end of the beginning. Then you realize how shit your life is, and why you were on all those substances anyway. Now you have to build in this space until you're satisfied with the result. Quitting all the shit by itself doesnt really do anything. It just sets the stage for recovery & productivity.

>>76801277
I used to do this too, minus the Xanax or getting fucked up. Now that I actually have to go to the office more often and got promoted (lol) I actually need to be functional at work so I can't get blasted every night. I get how you feel though, I miss that feeling too

>>76801277
>Tramadol
What is that for? Do you have chronic pain?

>>76801234
>life is now infinitely worse in all respects
It will pass. Welcome to the wasteland of reality:
Congrats – you're sober. It will take a while for your body to remember how to metabolize anything that isn't sugar from alcohol, so you're going to be pretty ravenous soon. Eat plenty. You can expect your coordination and balance to improve in a couple of weeks. In two months, you might start sleeping like a normal person. Full recovery will take years, though. It’ll be depressing. And it’ll be boring. Don’t expect any further rewards or handclaps. This is how normal people are all the time.

>>76801234
I went sober for 6 years when I turned 30. No drugs, no alcohol, nothing despite my friends being degenerates. Every gathering I was sober.

This year of my friends organised a bucks in Thailand and I couldn't resist. Drank every day for week straight, had a crazy time.

I quit alcohol because I wanted to be more successful, I haven't achieved much in those 6 years. I doubt if it even improved my ability to be successful.

The bottom line is this though.
>drugs will fuck you up in some way
>alcohol you can do and get away with and still be successful in many domains in life

For OP's sake, maybe go for an extended period so there's no doubt in your mind about your thoughts about it.

>>76801415
Wait, how deep do you have to be into alcohol and drug addiction for this to occur?

>>76801420
Another anon here. Yeah I developed a drinking habit around COVID and was getting smashed every single night. Then I got sober and realised that there wasn't much difference in terms of personal success and capability from when I was a drunkard.

>>76801420
>6 years
>Every gathering I was sober
How did they even not ditch you a couple of years in? Damn.

>>76801234
My life exclusively got better by reducing my alcohol consumption. Just moderate it bro.

>>76801234
i am less social and therefore less functional when i quit drinking
not just while i am drunk either; my drunk experiences, successes, and memories give me the confidence and self esteem i need while sober

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>>76801433
>Just moderate it bro.

That's the problem with alcohol.

Saying no to the first drink is ridiculously easy. There are a million reasons not to. I have work tomorrow. Maybe a family member or friend will have an emergency and I want to be available. I'm trying to be healthier anyway.

Saying no to a second drink is near impossible for me. Once I've justified one, there's no reason not to have another. It's just 2 drinks, and 2 drinks isn't really that worse than 1. I'll still be able to drive after 2.

A third drink? Well after this one I probably shouldn't drive, so might as well go to 4 and to justify the taxi ride home. But I have work tomorrow so that will be my last one.

Wow, it's only 10pm. I don't work until 9am, so I can sneak another in before hitting the road.

Damn that old guy at the bar was so nice for buying me a shot, I should return the favor and buy the next round. It's only polite.

Last call soon, I'll slam this one down, pay my bill, and call a cab.

On the cab ride home, a glass of wine sounds like a good night cap. I need it to sleep well so can be well-rested for work tomorrow. Oh, my favorite wine is one sale, I should go ahead and buy a second bottle for later this week.

Well, I already popped the bottle open so I might as well finish it. Wine never tastes as good the next day. Is that the sun? Why are there 2 empty bottles on the counter?

At no point did I decide to get drunk, but after each drink there's always a good reason for just one more. The reasons just keep getting easier.

>>76801421
Pretty deep. I'm still in it. Started to develop dull liver pain for a few months now. Can't shave without a few cuts.

>>76801427
If you have a group of friends that you have done degenerate shit with over time, you develop a bond and a certain level of respect. Basically proof that your not a pussy. Having a personality helps as well.

>almost 34
>never taken drugs
>rarely drink alcohol and if I do it’s one drink, never get drunk
>still ended up a complete and utter loser so pathetic you wouldn’t even believe it if I told you what my life is like
Yeah I spend my entire miserable lonely life completely sober

>>76801448
At least you have a bunch of money saved up for old age ig.

>>76801317
>in the long term you are absolutely fucked
Yes, whether or not to consume drugs and alcohol en masse is exclusively a function of how long you plan to be alive in order to reap the consequences of what you sow.

When I was 19, I decided I wanted to be dead by 30 and I lived like someone that wanted to be dead by 30.

Then I turned 27 and my body started shutting down from the alcohol. I was puking blood and developing liver disease. I literally couldn't take a shot without throwing up in my mouth from the acid reflux. I was like 160 pounds overweight and developing diabetes.

When I realized I didn't want to be dead in 3 years time and every waking moment had become existential torture, quitting binge drinking wasn't particularly hard.

>>76801277
Do you buy that online? where?

>>76801442
It's kind of funny how back when I was an alcoholic everyone told me drinking alone was dangerous for me, but literally all of my worst nights of binge drinking involve being social with other people either at a bar or at a house party.

My suggestion is to generally avoid people, but especially those who encourage you to go past drink two or drink three. They know what they are doing, they are making their problems your problems.

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>>76801463
When I was in my early 20s I swore I'd kill myself if I was still shit-posting on 4chan at 30.

I'm 35 now. Even moot managed to leave this place. Funny how perspective works as you age.

What app is this

>>76801234
Do you already know what you're going to do once you hit the goal? You need a longer time than 3 months for a meaningful recovery

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>>76801234
what is your bodyfat percentage ? When i realized that no amount of booze gets me either relative to poison level amount of pussy and or a certain degree of deniability to get free hush hush on the sly pussy i got bored and didnt do it anymore. Once i found out about calories and hopped on my lean lifestyle i just lost all interest. That being said i enjoy my smokes. Now you share some relevan shit so we can figure this one out together big guy

fat people enjoy booze more

>>76801234
Male hormones are drugs, you should feel good all the time.

>>76801657
then why are all roidfags depressed sacks of shit?

>>76801465
if you don't know irl dealers;
Search online for some darkweb marketplaces. Download TOR browser, and order to your house.

>>76801234
Id get it out of my system, then it gets boring being sick all the time just to "feel something." Ill still have a day where I daydrink so i dont feel like a mormon but the want to do it again is quite low spending the evening tired not even wanting to drink again. I guess weed and pills are less tiring usually but i just get to a point where they dont really hit as much and ill forget to smoke, pain pills are what i prefer and you just lose the euphoria after a point. Stimulants are gay they make me too antsy and paranoid, psychs/molly are just the opposite of what i find fun plus the paranoia of stims. Idk i feel like you wont do too much damage getting a buzz even often or having a daydrinking day to get the load off maybe stop treating drugs as something so serious and it wont be all you can think of.

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>>76801743
Problem with daydrinking is that it becomes dailydrinking.

>>76801448
Are you me?

>>76801277
Yeah dont go cold turkey youll fuckin die unless your street xanax is fake or a bar is like .5mg. You should also get narcan since its not like your dealer only sticks to one drug.

>>76801748
Its called a weekend and if anything prevents the sleep problems of getting as drunk as possible and beyong the point of fast recovery(100%ing your liver output) or even alcohol toxicity which are very close.

Ya know theres having a healthy or even fun relationship with alcohol and then theres being consumed by it either way. Idk how people feel like shit and then go to drink more, i get bored after the initial euphoria which doesnt come back until the next day for me at least, and if I actually get drunk i typically dont even wanna drink more than a few beers the next day. I just cant say i dont enjoy relaxing with some nice moderate mixed drinks after an initial stiff one with like 2-3 shots it helps me relax.

>>76801240
how is femdom real? snap her neck or hold her down but letting her do things to you and pretending you cant fight back seems silly.

>>76801806
Wow, you're such a big, strong boy!

>>76801415
>This is how normal people are all the time.
Sobriety is a fucking scam jesus christ.

>>76801478

Yeah I was always told the same thing..m that drinking alone was somehow the absolute worst and a sure descent into raging alcoholism.
Drinking alone always meant:
>Buying a crate of beers/bottle of rum
>Drinking steadily until they were gone
>Happy and safe in my home, playing Vidya or watching Tele
>Minimal cost
>Finish my stock of drink, go to bed, wake up feeling a bit worse for wear but generally okay

Drinking socially often meant:
>Drinking way too fucking fast
>Being shit faced by 10pm
>Generally wobbling round the bar making a twat out of myself
>Usually buying and smoking a pack or two or ciggies
>Spending £200+ easily
>Occasionally pissing someone off and getting punched
>Getting stranded in cities and paying a fortune to get taxis home
>Ending up with a nose full of coke
>Sticking my dick where I shouldn't
>Roaming the streets at 4am with random eastern European drunks with a pack of beers in hand
>Waking up in bed (not always my bed) an indeterminate amount of time later feeling like death, smelling like death, wishing for death
>Having mild panic attacks at the prospect of checking my bank balance because I've probably blown the mortgage payment

Never had a bad experience drinking at home. Going out and drinking socially is russian roulette for me.
Over 3 months sober so don't do either anymore. I don't feel any better for it but I definitely don't feel worse. My bank balance is definitely healthier though.

>>76801920
how u do 3 mth sober

>>76801234
I thought about stopping drinking, or taking a longer break (2-3 months), but then I remember that it's pointless and will only make life worse.

>>76801277
Holy shit, I thought pill popping baclofen (GABA B agonist) and quitting that was bad, apparently GABA-A agonists are 10x worse. Buckle the fuck up for that withdrawal and like other anon said, you better taper down extremely slowly to not get literal seizures

Jordan Peterson is a charlatan, but he wasn't faking his benzo WD nightmare that kept him up for 20 straight days and made him go to some Balkan clinic that put him into a coma

>>76801924
How's your liver doing tho

>>76801922

Luckily I'm not in a position to just drink when I want. My usual friday night sessions are easy to avoid I just go home from work instead of stopping by the shops for beers. Slight downer but after 10 mins I'm over it and just get on with my evening.
Going out socially is easy to avoid also. It's also too fucking expensive anyway and money is super tight right now so it's easy to say no to that.

>>76801954
That sounds like torture. Life shouldn't be this way.

>>76801234
Give it time. Smoke weed if you "need" something. Weed is by far the most manageable and least (inherently) destructive drug habit.

>drinking makes you more social
>but logistics get fucked because you can't drive drunk
It's doesn't seem to help much with dopamine, so I'm still unproductive anyway

>>76801961
It's also very counterproductive to count days, like those no fap guys do.
It's almost like admitting to yourself you plan on relapsing one day.

>>76801806
>>76801898
He says it in a bit of a cringy way, but I do agree with this anon. I've always struggled to understand how people can immerse in a fetish when the LARPing factor is too big. I mean sure, a little bit of roleplaying can be fun, but at soon as it becomes too unrealistic I lose my ability to immerse. For example, if an adult man tries LARPing as an 8yo girl, I simply cannot take him serious. For me, femdom kinda falls into the same category. Pretending that a woman is dominating me physically just doesn't work for me. It's too unrealistic and cringy for me to actually immerse into it.

Same thing for cuckolding. The "cuck" convinces his wife to act out his fetish. He finds a black guys online. Sets up the entire arrangement. Tells his wife what he wants her to do. He literally DIRECTS his wife and the black guy. Tells them what positions he wants to see, what the black guy is allowed to say, where he has to cum, etc. And then..., they all pretend like the cuck is the... "submissive" one getting "dominated"....

>>76801442
You need to stop being such a fucking pussy. It's pathetic.
> Saying no to a second drink is near impossible for me
Yes, I believe you have convinced yourself of that. Next time just go home and you'll see how fucking easy it really is you fucking idiot

I'm 2 months clean and while I don't really have cravings, I can't help but feel like I was more productive when I was drinking.
Like having a few beers while doing chores, studying, cardio, or whatever helped me focus on the task better and longer.
Feels like giving up to start drinking again but I think it might genuinely improve my life.

>>76801234
I'm waiting on a drug that makes me feel skyhigh but without the negatives.

>>76801963
>most manageable
I think that's shrooms/psychedelics, actually.

>>76801234
>>76801235
>>76801240
pleasure isn't happiness

>>76801234
I almost feel like my brain is just fucked up and I'm always going to be dependent on something and now I'm somehow dependent on working out after being sober from alcohol for 15 months. I do full body 3x a week and for the rest of evening after I work out and maybe half the next day, I feel really boosted and happy, but by the time my next lifting day comes around I've completely fallen off and feel totally miserable for pretty much no reason. It gets really bad on the weekend since that's 2 days off.

>>76801442
if you lose the ability to say no after drink two that’s a you problem. I find it easy as anything.
granted, saying no to drink 7 is pretty hard after drink 6, but since I already know this I don’t get to drink 6.

Time to bust out the plate and straw and pour a glass of single malt OP.

>>76801415
It’s disco, baby!

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I quit weed 10 days and realized my life sucks and I was too blazed the whole time to realize. it's too late to save it now, I am 35, dead-end job, no friends (the solid ones died/moved, the rest are just too annoying to endure), a 18 years old gf that would probably leave me as soon as she starts uni, still living at my fathers house because I'm too depressed to live alone and buy groceries and endure loneliness. life is just too unbearable sober but I am holding, hopefully the raw disgust I feel for my life will give me courage to kms

On the road to sobering up, the hangovers are just too bad now. Zero energy to do anything but doomscroll, eyes feel heavy and exhausted, no motivation to do anything at all. Tapering down a drink every night and I'll be there in a week or so.

The only thing I hate about being sober is how boring and lonely nights get.

I quit nicotine last week and everything is dull as shit. Can't have anything nice I guess.

It never gets better I just struggle to resist the urge and buy a shotgun to end it all. Sober living if you have mental health issues simply isn't worth it.

>>76803707
>I quit weed 10 days and realized my life sucks and I was too blazed the whole time to realize.
I laughed out loud at that, that's pretty fucking based if you ask me.

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>>76801415
AI post?

>>76801277
my friend died with tramadol, he didn't even take that much of it, but mixed it with Lyrica

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>>76802348
>I think that's shrooms/psychedelics
Correct.

Mogs every drug in the universe

>>76803719
I've been there before anon. Unfortunately, the answer is to go to bed earlier. In my early twenties I used to stay up til 3-4 am sometimes drinking and playing video games and still make it to work at 9:30. Now just getting to bed before midnight feels good, and before 11 makes me feel like a god. There really isn't any reason to stay up late.

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>>76801310
Aight, here's like half the pills I eat...
>Vitamin A 1.5mg
>Thiamin 1mg
>Riboflavin 1mg
>Niacin 15mg
>P5P 30mg
>Methylfolate 1mg
>Methylcobalamin 100mcg
>NMN 300mg
>Biotin 500mcg
>Pantothenic Acid 5mg
>Vitamin C 500mg
>Vitamin D 3,000IU
>Vitamin E 15mg
>Iodine 800mcg
>Magnesium glycinate 200mg
>Zinc 15mg chelated
>Copper 3mg
>Iron 8mg
>Manganese 4mg
>Chromium 50mcg
>Vanadium 4mg (dosed once a week)
>Molybdenum 50mcg
>Selenium 200mcg
>Boron 6mg
>Red ginseng extract 600mg
>Berberine 500mg
>Fisetin 500mg
>Meclizine 25mg
>Bromelain 500mg
>Turmeric 1g (30 days on, 15 off)
>Rhodiola rosea 500mg
>Elderberry extract 1g
>Ashwagandha 300mg (30 days on 15 off)
>Astaxanthin 20mg
>Banaba extract 60mg
>PQQ 40mg
>Alpha lipoic acid 600mg
>NAC 1,200mg
>Glycine 3g
>Sulphoraphane 400mcg
>Alpha GPC 650mg
>Phosphatidylserine 80mg
>CoQ10 200mg
>Uridine monophosphate 60mg
>Methylene blue 5mg
>HMB 3g
>Ecdysterone 600mg
>Cordyceps mushrooms 1g
>Chokeberry extract 3g
>Blackcurrant extract 3g
>Acai extract 3g
>Collagen peptides 15g
>Extra virgin olive oil 15g
Yeah, some of that shit you can just get through diet. But you're not going to get half a gram of bromelain a day just eating pineapples, for example.

Literally just doing the wrong drugs brainlet, stims and roids

>>76804191
Your amygdala helps you detect danger, and I did a ton of shrooms like 10 years ago

Then had a bad trip sitting alone away from my family in an unfamiliar place and it wasn't a good time

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>>76804191
>your pic
seems interesting, have a link?

>>76801277
I look forward to the day we read about you in the obituaries

>>76801235
Shalom rabbi

I quit using heroin just shy of a decade ago. My life has gotten worse since. Drugs are bad but people are worse.

>>76804385
That seems like a lot of iodine, the rec is 150mg. Is your thyroid ok?

>>76801234
Why does your app have goals?
How does it work, you can drink again after reaching it? Then what’s the point

>>76805275
150mcg*

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>>76805275
>That seems like a lot of iodine, the rec is 150mg. Is your thyroid ok?
Yeah the rec is just for like weak-thyroided pussies who don't eat a lot of selenium and peanuts mine comes back like 0.9 TSH and 0 TPO Ab unlike Bryan Johnson; Japanese average even higher iodine but they also tend to have selenium skill issues and invented Hashimoto's, kek.

>>76801234
exercise and being busy is the answer. you’ll be too tired to even want to get high or wasted

t. Used to get high every day

>>76801277
tramadol is based but if you were taking real xanax you wouldn't be able to take that much because you'd be asleep

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>>76803707
Same but with alcohol. I've come to terms I was born a poorfag, raised a poorfag, and will probably die a poorfag by my own hand. Now the appeal of drinking is still there but I don't care as much nor do I have anything to really look forward to in sobriety. funny how I was able to recognize all of this at 11yo and never stopped wanting to KMS up until the present at 30yo. There was a period I was able to cope with a rockstar lifestyle but the cheap thrills lost their entertainment value. Strangely enough, it has been relieving and even illuminating to accept what I am and where my path will end.

>>76801277
I miss benzos so fucking much... smoking meth was pretty sweet too but insanely destructive.


Been sober over 3 years. You just need to find something new to do. I became a lawyer.

>>76801806
>but letting her do things to you and pretending you cant fight back seems silly.
To be fair you have to have a very high sense of humor to understand femdom.

Last week I received a report at my job that I seemed distracted at work. I took 12 mg of clonazepam through the day, drank a bunch of beer and wine and took some tramadol. No shit I seemed distracted. I was also working my second job. I'm surprised this is the first time this happens, as I have been doing this for over a year every other week and working several jobs at a time.

Honestly I don't give a shit about my job I should've quit already and found something else. My fiancee "hates" when I drink and do drugs, but we all know women love bad boys and in the era of feminism you can be an absolute bum and get carried by your hard working wife who loves your chiselled physique.
The only concern I have with booze is fitness, as I miss lifting days and get a shit ton of extra calories, but I still had my best bench press two days ago. Sometimes I worry about wasting my money too, but drugs are cheap and when I'm running out of booze budget I just shoplift.

Life is good. Do drugs. Behave like shit. Get away with it. But never stop lifting.

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hey, that's what i use
who's still in for NNN?

>>76806579
>Sex
>not 24 years
lmao

>>76806594
29 but yea as it turns out illicit sex isn't actually satisfying, i wish i could be a virgin again

>>76803707
>I no longer have exogenous chemicals making my brain feel good
That’s all that’s happening. The rest of your crying is just your frontal cortex trying to rationalize the negative emotion. You’re probably just reeling because you’ve fucked with your homeostasis too much in your pleasure center and are experiencing a temporary reduction in happiness. By all means get your shit together but have some self awareness dawg.

>>76806607
I agree that it isn't satisfying, but I'm glad I did it just so I can stop putting it on a pedestal.

>>76801234

indulge urself with a suntory hibiki or hakushu on the rock once in a while. life is meant to enjoy, not to refrain from bliss.

>>76801240
based

>>76801234
fuck it bro, ball out

>>76801735
Darkweb, tor, order to house, got it. You also forgot to mention the part where 70% of pressed pills are cut with fent. One bad recipe and you're cooked.

fuck that