Am I the only one here who thinks that muscle + some body fat is much more aesthetic than muscle + starving?An individual with muscle + some fat reserves looks healthy and in good shape, but one with muscle an extremely lean often looks odd
>>76806245No, you're not alone; this is the common opinion among women. Gymcels do not like this, because they can only view male physiques through the Male Gaze, and will inadvertently sculpt a physique which is attractive to men, not women.
>>76806245If you're a woman Ill take you seriously.
>>76806245>>76806365Consistently the most attractive bodyfat percentage is shown to be around 12-15%. Lean but not too lean and where male health tends to be optimized. Runner up is 15-20%. Outside of that range you're in the minority or are a fetish. Literally just don't be fat and don't be so lean you can start seeing veins on your neck and you're good
>>76806245how much fat are we talking about?
>>76806245Your idea of women preferring men on steroids is simply incorrect. Maybe a gigolo sure, but if i were a woman thats not what id want in a husband because i dont play with barbies or have an easy bake oven.
>>76806507I didn't state women like men on steroids in any point. Men who take steroids are often muscular with almost no fat
>>76806534Then show me some people who push through lifting without quitting entirely or using steroids. Its harder to be strong/big natural than to be a doctor, scientist, engineer, etc. >nuh uhIt would take a solid 20min a week do dropsets and be powerwalking around the gym to be proportional.
>>76806543What? You can definitely look strong and attractive without being a roidtranny
>>76806543>would take a solid 20min a week do dropsets and be powerwalking around the gym to be proportional.Maybe im misreading, but are you implying 20 minutes in the gym is a long time?
>>76806556If i could go back to highschool and lift for real id definitely be doing once a week or 2 1hr highly intense dropsets to keep it proportional so i can focus on studies and social life.
>>76806551Roiding makes you look worse and you yoyo between intermediate and advanced let alone elite.
>>76806245Yeah youre missing out not bulking long term>lean bulkBro fuck being hungry im doing my curls and extra shoulder work then
>>76806245Im trying to have huge delts without shitty chest from low iq bench form. Is this doable?Im 99% certain most lifters just get good at something from dumb luck and run with it.
